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For a $300 million deal to give him $50 million in a permanent -- permanent place at the top. a penthouse apartment in the wealthiest hotel in moscow and this is all going on at the time hes promised the american people hes going to be their servant. >> absolutely. and so obviously what we all want to know is not only why was he willing to do all of this, but more importantly why was he willing to lie about it? that is the question that gets begged by an awful lot of the developments here. not j...

The leverage. now he doesnt have either. >> what do you think it is about nancy pelosi? i loved your comment, that hes never run up against a woman with power. and she doesnt just have power. she has all the things you just described. she has dealt with my old boss. she has made deals. she has made big deals. and shes made deals where shes certainly come out ahead but she understands everything you just described. she understands how to compromise. >> you know, what he said, if you cant make a d...

If you comment on one you to comment on the others, joist do -- joyce, does that mean everything else was accurate? >> i think this was an extraordinary situation, and im sure there was a lot of back and fourth before they decided to issue the direction for all of the reasons that we have been discussing. the fact that it giving everything else some truth. it means exactly what matt said in this case the direct implication that it came from special council was not enough. >> thank you guys very ...

Have been like that would be completely, you know, innocent. >> well, so the legal implications of it is what im talking about. is it maybe not a smart thing to do to talk to michael cohen? probably not f t, if the presid did it. but is there a legal implication? if hes not directing michael cohen to lie, and im pretty convinced he didnt direct him, for the mueller team to put out that statement, then theres not necessarily, because of first amendment protections -- and when it comes to things l...

The last man to die for a mistake? the rest of it was a searing indictment of the policy makers of that time. of principal figures in the government and by implication of the people sitting in front of you. and it struck me watching all of this, that we have young people today who are rattling the cages of washington. and im wondering if you see any of yourself in these young people who are agitating for change and really challenging the status quo. >> what i see, i respect enormously and welcom...

Fits your narrative -- >> we talked about this story which made no sense about some woman who may or may not know what prayer rug looks like. >> youretleing not accusing h >> im questioning whether he is being reckless with the way hes treating this and what he is tweeting out and that hes doing it without knowing the facts. >> the woman said herself that the whole point of the prayer rug story was that people dont realize the terrorist threat. so how are you suggesting that the story he tweeted...

This will be dispinting to many and uplifting to others. the idea that may must have struggled to tamp down is that theyre about to be in a position to indict the president and theyre not. >> this article did imply that not only does is michael cohen saying this. there are documents and texts or whatever proof that they have that shows that the president asked him to lie. >> i have a different view of the implication. my view is this is a -- the larger message that people are going to take from ...

Treating this and what he is tweeting out about it and that hes doing it without knowing the facts. kirsten, please go on. >> the woman said herself that the whole point of the prayer rug story was that people dont realize the terrorist threat. so how are you suggesting that the story that he tweeted wasnt about claiming that finding prayer rugs are connected to a terrorist threat? thats the implication. the implication is, well, fishs -- first of all, there were no prayer rugs found. lets start...

Is fascinating. pete: yeah, the implication was that they had evidence that cohen -- the president told cohen to lie. other than cohen just telling. jedediah: not just words. ed: emails and text messages they claimed in the story from anonymous sources again thursday night, that there were email and text messages from people in the trump organization the business side of everything that were backing up michael cohen that would suggest the president was lying. no, thought special counsel is sayin...

Spokeman saying buzzfeeds description of specific statements to the special counsels office in characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office regarding michael cohens congressional testimony are not accurate. pete: buzzfeed had no sources. no other outlet. ed: anonymous sources. pete: every other news outlet was going with the headline but saying we cannot yet independently corroborate this evidence. ed: nonetheless it might lead to impeachment. jedediah: if true. interestin...