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The president and there is no implication he did anything wrong in all that. sections is firing back which is interesting because we havent seen him firing back in such a public way. he said hell not let the department be influenced by political considerations. gillian: a lot of people were shocked to see that tweet when it came out thursday. i disagree with marie slightly. whether sessions is fired or departs after the mid terms, the president gets a little bit of a get out of jail free card on...

And theres no implication that he did anything wrong in all of that -- >> we will see. sandra: sessions is firing back which is really interesting because we havent seen him fire back in such a public way. he said he will not let the department be improperly influenced by political considerations. is that a sign, perhaps, gillian that hes taking this feud more public? >> absolutely. a lot of folks were shocked to see that tweet when it came out yesterday. sandra: statement, yeah. >> or thursday ...

So its interesting to see how this plays out because there is so much exposure on so many fronts for the president. >> katty kay, to pick up on petes part about the political ramifications of that, im starting to wonder how that would -- i get no sense that if that pardon were to come down that there would be any sort of real outcry on capitol hill, for example, although i guess you never know. >> if im paul manafort and i dont get a pardon im feeling pretty knocked because the president has giv...

President to resign. ill ask senator al green if he is hurting or helping the presidents cause? plus, he came in third in the 2016 presidential race. now gary johnson has jumped into the senate race in his home state of new members colorado might he be the first libertarian ever elected to the u.s. senate. who ill the pope visits ireland the catholic church sexual abuse scandal is exploding, including here in pennsylvania with over 1,000 victims, why not any politician taking on the church? ...

Investigation, or cursory investigation, at least, of the hillary clinton e-mail scandal. >> that was you -- >> nobody expected cheryl -- >> that was a use immunity agreement for their laptops, so that anything we find on the laptops, this is an immunity deal we believe is different, which is you have exposure on what were investigating. well give you a deal if you help us otherwise. distinction with a difference. >> well, i understand that. but we didnt know that then when we heard about cheryl...

Alleged affair because he is now released from a confidentiality agreement of sorts that he entered into with the parent company of the national enquirer. thats the american media inc. headed by david pecker, a personal friend of trump. pecker was recently granted immunity in the mueller investigation. thats obviously something that could add yet another wrinkle to the troubles trump is facing on the legal trump. and the implication of this development is perhaps more important than the allegati...

Laptops, this is an immunity deal we believe is different, which is you have exposure on what were investigating. well give you a deal if you help us otherwise. distinction with a difference. >> well, i understand that. but we didnt know that then when we heard about cheryl and heather, and we dont know what the immunity is for now when we hear about allen. ill wait and find out. your previous guests talked about how there are myriad different types of immunity. im not in the mood to panic. but ...

So, my read into this is that he s -- gets immunity in the hope that he can provide help with someone else and cohen doesnt look like the big fish that sdny would be going after here. >> so the implication is theres a bigger fish, were trying to figure out who that is. the obvious choice is donald trump sr. but it could be donald trump jr. or eric. those are the only possibilities of somebody whos more senior to weisselberg in the organization. would that be true? >> at least in the organization...

Then sk squelched. is there reason to believe that he as the cfo of the trump organization will be queried about that? is it just about these payments? >> thats why this is particularly interesting because if it is about cohen and if it is about the payments, that doesnt make a lot of sense because cohens already been got. cohens already pleaded guilty. hes no longer really of interest in terms of securing a conviction for the government. so why move on to weisselberg? it can only mean to give t...

Your first reaction to allen weisselberg, the trump organizations cfo, being given this immunity? whats your first reaction as somebody who has been at the other side of the deal on this where youve given people immunity. why? >> so typically you give immunity because youre hoping to provide information or testify against someone who is higher up on the food chain than they are. you dont use a big fish to eat a smaller fish. my read is that he gets immunity in the hope that he can provide help w...