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Were so draconian when cocaine was in the inner city, when powder cocaine became popular in the 80s and a bunch of white kids at least in california who from middle class and upper middle class families started getting busted, what happens? the legislature all of a sudden changes the penalties. >> not our boys. >> now you get possession of cocaine and its diversion or deferred entry judgment. it went from a mandatory state prison to something where you didnt even have a record when it gets into ...

Trained as concealed weapons holders. >> i dont want to cover the zimmerman again. weve covered it a lot. charles when you hear josephs argument you dont buy it? >> no. listen, i completely respect the fact that that was his experience. but thats an anecdote, right? the problem with his argument is that it has an evidence problem, which is that all the evidence when you look at it in aggregate shows that there are obvious biases in the system, and including the stand your ground. >> joseph asked...

Amendment, i am a concealed weapons holder. im pro stand your ground. i am pro civil rights all the way. pro ninth amendment for womens rights and so forth. and at the end of the day as a black american male in this country -- and ive been black and american and male longer than anybody on this panel -- i refuse to not embrace every single right under this great constitution. and that is -- that includes the right to keep and bear arms. >> joseph, let me just ask you. do you believe in the state...