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Page, because shes apparently given a statement to the new york state police detectives about her role in the incident. shes made some statements -- she was charged based on those statements. and they have quite a bit of evidence against her. i dont know that sweat -- i mean, certainly he could add to that evidence, but i dont know that its necessarily required for the d.a. to prevail in that case. sweat may have some information from some other incidental help inside the walls like one of your ...

Ride out of the woods there. so i dont think it really exists. >> i want to bring in arthur roderick. what do you think? do you agree with jim that theres really not much more information to get out of david sweat? >> yeah, i absolutely agree. i think the only information that would be nice to get out of david sweat would satisfy our curiosity as to where he went after they came out of the manhole cover. i think we said from day one that, you know, that planning this escape, the inside planning ...

Dismembering people, torturing people. theyre depraved human beings. >> exactly. exactly right. spot on. theyre losers. they couldnt even escape, really. they sent -- i do think they plotted for months in there to get the saws, to get the bits, you know, to get the drill bits from joyce and to get on the catwalk, to scheme, the hot plate, all these little things. that took them many months. but it consumed most of their planning, i think. and short of that, it was get the car and, you know, hey....