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Quote, perfect. the oversight committee chairman darrell issas response, this is a smoking gun. >> this is lois lerner clearly cautioning people not to say things on email and being delighted to find out that the local instant chat that they have, this microsoft product, wasnt tracking what they said. so that they could do this instant messaging back and forth at the irs without any audit trail. >> reporter: on the hill there are democrats still defending lois lerner. >> the facts are that miss ...

Talked to each other. there is an instant messaging network. those conversations are not routinely backed up. lets look at this email from lois lerner to another official saying i was cautioning folks about email and how we have had self conversations where congress asked for emails and there has been an electronic search so we need to be cautious about what we say in emails. learner also then asked if those instant messages are backed up. the official says only if one of the people chatting sav...

The demands of one darryl issa. too much is not enough, and for him an email cautioning folks to be cautious, its a -- >> a smoking gun. this is lois lerner, clearly cautioning people not to say things on email and being delighted to find out that the local instant chat that they have, this microsoft fraud wasnt tracking what they said. she didnt want an audit trail of what they were doing and what they were doing was targeting conservatives for their views, no question at all. issa didnt stop t...