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Exchange for testimony; is that right? >> thats correct. >> in my mind what would be the sort of convincing piece of information if i were on the jury is statements that pamela smart herself made on tape to this intern when she didnt suspect anyone else might be listening. >> thats true. i mean i think the tapes were very convincing piece of evidence. thats absolutely correct. >> now, let me ask the question about the jurors. there was one juror who, during the courtrooms of the jury trial, appa...

On these groups and give them instruction and advice and trying to take command position from his compound but to me he was losing that grip and advising the national and security forces yet doing exactly just that. he was really trying to keep tabs on his franchises. >> whats the purpose of releasing the documents now? >> there are a lot of questions that are unanswered and these answer a lot of questions about who was bin laden. aside from him being the terrorist, militant man, what was he beh...

Had been catapulted in there. >> how were you able to get out of your car? >> i was lucky. i was able to get up and walk sideways to get out. >> and how about you, janna? >> we were told to wait at first -- >> by who? were the first responders already on the train? >> no they werent. i guess they were just some passenger who is stepped up. actually somebody in the last car identified themselves as a police officer, mike. and we werent sure if it was safe to fwo go out on the rails voltage or dow...

Federal control is something texas pretty much established in the 19th century. its just nonsense. >> beautifully put. beautifully put. paranoia and nonsense. everyone on the panel agreed wholeheartedly that its paranoia and nonsense. everyone except one. >> its a lot because our leaders are now showing a whole lot of leadership and giving a lot of instruction to the american people. >> not giving instruction to the american people? actually thats exactly what the government is doing in public e...

Weigh heavily on a jury. >> certainly the judges instruction can make or break. that will determine how the jurors decide the case. what the judge charges the jury if its not correct, then it makes them think that the standard is too high. >> the retrial theyll be looking at everything on this one. >> absolutely. and the judge gave whats known as an allen charge multiple tames to try to get that jury to come to a decision. >> thank you both for coming in. >> thank you. >> good to have you. >> a ...

Law, extreme acts of violence and jihad against innocents. >> going to the nuance as you do with intelligence and information and you argue against a particular credo or sect thats a different thing. when you say muslims are savages and if you go to page 720 in the koran youll find instruction, a manual on how to kill 30 people. when you order the -- argue the substance of a religion. comparison religion. were open minded and see the deficiencies in every faith and strengths in every faith. when...

Hebdo" attack did their part thats instruction, right? >> on 911 thats a wholly owned al qaeda plot by what we at the cia call core al qaeda. trained, directed paid met with the 19 hijackers. if you go forward lets say to 2009 remember the underwear bomber. he met with the al qaeda affiliate in yemen. we go now to 2015 and were talking about terror operations that are not wholly owned by al qaeda, not owned by an affiliate but just a conversation with a guy in iraq or syria who says look i dont ...

I think had the incident not been escalated to the point that there was the disobeying of the lawful order and the disobeying of the verbal instruction given that this would have probably settled itself. however, this man chose to escalate. >> they said that because i ate, i had to sit down, and the ar does not state that because i ate, i had to sit down. >> im going to go ahead and let my evidence stand as presented in my argue being as a result of this mans actions, staff were called away from...

Have street after street after street -- >> i dont know. it might be a nice idea nice timing for one of the higher profile civil rights leaders who tend to come in after the fact and say look how bad things are with the police officers but if they come in right now and say, hey, lets call for peace and have some calm here. >> im confident they are all watching and upon your instruction do exactly that. what we really need now is for it not to get dark before police get control and if what they h...

All of that gets washed away when you have the kind of did he instruction that went on on saturday. >> the mayor there urging everyone to stay peaceful at this time. we thank you for that report. well talk with the reverend who took part in the funeral today, that is ahead in just a few moments. the defense team in the boston marathon bombing trial began its case in the penalty phase. dzhokhar tsarnaev was convicted weeks ago. they are painting the older brother, tamerlan who was killed in the a...