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Come out as a presumptive second runner. and that is always something that is difficult. when you have someone like trump, who is essentially taking the place of an incumbent on that side. >> this is a smart panel, kimberly, philip ruckers, all my friends. im proud to say thank you for being with us here. and next, back focus, why a meeting in the oval office before the january 6th riots might be a major focus of the special counsels office. you are watching intermission reports, only on msnbc. ...