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we re joined here in the studio by hans scared political scientist specializing in policy and security management welcome to the program how many people are we talking about here in terms of being on these still called enemy lists the ministry of interior says about 20000 persons that is a huge number indeed but don t forget we live in times of the internet so. why the access to addresses in the internet and from public sources and so on and is that how they re going about compiling them i mean largely from internet sources science think so thank get the addresses and the names from the internet from publics sources of course the telephone books talking to people and so on and that s no huge number as mentioned before more than 20000 what do you say to the critics who essentially say the authorities have to be more transparent about what exactly is going on here i think so because of. of all. the presidents should be informed

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