the oppression,'s the divisions that we experience. whether it's racism, sexism, homophobia, islamophobia, antisemitism, ageism. all of those isms are animated by the idea of cast, that there is a human hierarchy, and in the way that we organize ourselves, one person has to be on top of another person in order for some people to have power and status, and maintain that. and so that kind of organizing principle, that idea really help me think more deeply about racism, sexism, the whole list. you can't really solve fort unless you know all of the parts of it. >> you told my colleague, chris hayes earlier this week that you didn't want to make a documentary based on isabelle's book, you actually wanted to make a feature film that would invoke empathy from viewers. tell us as a filmmaker about that contrast. when is the -- documentary film important, and when is the artistic and creative aspect of a feature
raised the money independently through philanthropic organizations, through like-minded organizations and individuals. everyone from ford foundation to -- , melinda gates, the nba star chris paul, people who came to gather, wanting to change the way we make, movies, and what assumes can be about. and so it was an independent effort, and the adaptation was one that i was kind of obsessed with, i wanted to figure out the way that we get this anthropological thesis into, inaccessible form, because i found more people need to know about this. >> yeah, i guess the question is why? the film touches on several themes, racism, antisemitism of course as you said, the cast system. why did you see this as a story that need to be told now? >> well, the book doesn't actually touch on several themes, its thesis is that all of those isms live on top of cast, that passed is the origin, the root of all of the isms,
and differences and divisions. >> we talk about the root, a lot of times -- actually i should say we don't talk about in this country racism. >> that's right. >> but there's this sense that that's at the root of all of this. this is not about racism. this is about caste and you hear that and think, but this is the united states. we have's heard of the caste system in india. what does it have to do with us? what is the difference? >> you know, there's a whole book about it and isabel wilkinson is a brilliant woman but really it's the idea that underneath racism, sexism, homophobia, anti-semitism, all the isms. there's the idea someone is better than another person based on a random set of traits. you're not getting to the root, the disease, just the wound, you know, is all of these pieces at the top but until you understand what it's all coming from, this idea that we can organize ourselves according to power and status and subjugate or press,
as i feel need to know the message, the idea that we organize ourselves as human beings into hierarchies that we need to pay attention to because they create all the isms we dwell within and that we struggle against, and so i think it's an important conversation to have especially now at this time in our country. >> and speaking of this time in our country, you made this film fairly quickly. you wanted to make it on your own terms but shot it in 37 days and as i understand it part of that is you wanted it to come out prior to the 2024 election. >> yes, yes, three continents and 37 days, went the independent route because it was faster and feel like it is an urgent matter that all we should be talking about around the dinner table and thinking about raising our voices and asserting our opinions as it relates to the transition of power that is possibly happening in november and our freedoms that i truly feel are at rick. this film asks us to examine the roots of a lot of our discord
trial in arkansas with hunter biden and child support.on i where you personally monitoring them, and chihow can they have acknowledged the child? >> i am not going to speak to that from here. >> but you know who willdged th? greg gutfeld. he is seriously scribbling over here as this is something that melissa go there had been a lot of media attentione ha. and media attention had said --- is a very disappointed because that means my what about isms will have to be illuminated.>> s do you thing about -- no, no, no, shannon, he don't unde understand, i have to do actual work now. t un you think matrix the president by saying, do you kno you have d a may be? which leads me to my next point lee said, including navy. they didn't say navy biden. >> didn't get the last name. nav >> she didn't get the last name will go in to the mother was on the payroll for hundred but she still had been rejected the las name. and the stil beel shouldn't req more shaming by cults of moral
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explicitly. >> right. >> for now it looks like the attendees are still sticking with trump and most of the people looking to replace him know better than to run afoul of his voters. >> it doesn't amount to a hill of beans. someone gets the top spot all the time for a week but that's not happening at the moment. there's no policy in here. if you don't like open borders, control the house, make a bill. if you don't like all these things, there's no policy being suggested to combat them. they're isms that they're scaring people with. >> right. it's rhetorical flair where there's no substance, fact or even common sense behind it. you talk about climatism? why don't we go ask the people of texas as they're burning up this week and worried about their grid failing. they're talking about
especially considering so many people would say even having it would mean that you sympathize with it. >> yeah, i could understand why people wouldn't want to have any nazi memorabilia close to their personal belongings. he is a collector of the statutes, the heads of tyrants. so he described to me in great zee tail his view of the 20th century as a century defined by a struggle between freedom and tyranny and he thinks of nazism, of communism, of all sorts of other isms, as tyrannies vanquished by the forces of good in the 20th century and his generation had this struggle between communism and capitalism and it is something he thought should be remembered and he considered nazism, communism, in a graveyard of discarded and
and bringing up the biden's corruption, they had a whole system, 50 years, bastards, and millions. you apparently had a checkbook and a dog watching scam so that's why they got new four months and everything out of your mouth is a lie so covering up with what about isms, i think his attorney said it best, i just want to find my car. >> greg: get the hell ou