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Determined by the u.s.? >> a good question. most important using it now is as a frame for understanding russian intentions in the aggressive war on ukraine. >> well, the international criminal court would -- well, number one says its investigating, and that would be one body that would make the determination of genocide. what can the u.s. do that the international criminal court cannot? >> a good point. theres a number of different ways to use the term and to process it and even to take it to yo...

>> talk further bring in daniel rothenburg co-directs or of the arizona state of war and at the school of global politics and studies and wrote an op-ed for cnn last week arguing the u.n. should invest gays this as russian aggression quoting from your op-ed, definition of a genocide in ukraine would be appropriate if there was enough evidence to demonstrate russias atrocities express a purposeful effort to deny existence of the ukrainian people. so lets talk further about that, professor, becaus...