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I dont think something like this would rattle him. it was a pretty typical flight even though there was bad weather. i am leaning toward there being some kind of other mechanical issue that could have been enduced from the weather they were flying through. >> which means the pilot himself would have been fighting his own plane to keep it flying. >> right. and one of the problems with the fly by wire airplanes, i was speaking with some commercial airline pilots today who fly the a320, if it ices ...