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Call and value knowledge and for them when they call -- they didnt call it value knowledge, they called it -- these are principles, these are virtues and these are objective forces of authority so you could never separate those two. >> and really theres a clash isntrk there between the principle and declaration of independence and the principle of undergird our government document the constitution and progressive ideology that progressive agenda, and the massive administrative state which really...

Factual knowledge, empirical knowledge and value knowledge. but for them, what they call -- they didnt call it value knowledge. they called it -- these are principles. these are virtues. and these are objective sources of authority. so you could never separate those two. mark: and really there is a clash, isnt there, between the principles in the declaration of independence and the principles that undergird our constitution and the progressive ideology, the progressive agenda and this massive ad...

Knowledge and value knowledge. but for them, what they call -- they didnt call it value knowledge. they called it -- these are principles. these are virtues. and these are objective sources of authority. so you could never separate those two. mark: and really there is a clash, isnt there, between the principles in the declaration of independence and the principles that undergird our constitution and the progressive ideology, the progressive agenda and this massive admi administrative stae that b...