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>> you know, i think it is. theres a couple ways to look at the sanders candidacy. i think, first of all, you look at all the other democrats who are out there, several of them potentially to run against hillary clinton, martin omalley, lincoln chaffy, jim web. and i think right now the only one who demonstrated any real traction against hillary clinton already is bernie sanders. hes already sort of separated himself from them. well see if he can continue that separation and make that more perma...

Spot there. lets bring in larry sabato. thank you for being with me. >> reporter: thank you jose. >> so hillary clinton has knocked off the entire second tier is this. >> well we left the second tier open to make a point and the point is that among the people who are talking about getting into the race its difficult to imagine any one of them bumping off hillary clinton for the nomination. now, look if vice president buy den surprised everybody and got into the race he doesnt look like hes going...

In democratic circles and doesnt do particularly well at it. it is something that is not easy for a lot of politicians. they hate something being uncertain, and when you walk out among the voters anything can happen. clinton is usually quite restrained in those type of situations, but by making it small it serves her purpose. they need to get out in iowa and new hampshire and really mix it up. with martin omalley, jim web, bernie sanders, maybe they can really get serious buzz going for them. hi...

Said to me after i asked him a question about it. >> hillary clinton is having a press conference about her e-mails and her lack of transparency. has she been transparent enough in dealing with this issue and what would you like to see personally? >> i think that is between her and you all. shes going to have a hearing this afternoon and i think it is a good time for her to be clear. >> so there you see jim webb not trying to go after secretary clinton saying it was between her and the media. an...

Past. thomas. >> kelly stand by. and well check in with nbcs luke russert. and i jones me from -- he joins me from capitol hill. and you were out at the firefighters forum. and some there were taking jabs and making fodder of this e-mail and some were remaining mum. i think you had to speak to martin omalley. >> reporter: yeah thomas. it was interesting. some of the republican firefighters forum, they were taking jabs and george pet aki making jokes. but bernie sanders, jim web, martin omalley, ...

Trouble for former secretary of state hillary clinton. there are reports that hes growing distant from her own party. alan colmes and brad blakeman. alan, is this true? do you think hillary is getting farther away from the democratic party? >> ed rogers is a republican operative now a lobbyist who worked for president george w. bush. interesting piece in the "times" yesterday that the real person n hi are you has to look out for -- hillary has to look out for is the guy from virginia, jim web, a...

In his chase. he had argued a broken tail light ticket. prosecut prosecutor said cooms was the aggressor. >> oneat exploring a run. jim web, former virginia senator and navy secretary said the democratic party lost the mess age, that is take care of working people and no voice in the corridors of power. senator web pointed out the dropping numbers of white democratic voters in louisiana and north carolina senate races. the parties are falling apart based on race and the people who have an affini...

College, it is hard. and jim webb said and schummer said instead of obama care we should have worried about improving the economy for the working and middle-class. they are saying that democrats may be playing too much idenity politics and not thinking of the broad swoep of the middle-class. jim webbs chances against hillary clinton for democratic nominee is slim. she was at 65 percent among the potential democratic voters and he was at one percent. but he makes a case and it is it something tha...

President on the action on immigration and saying he is going it alone and ought to involve the congress here. >> webb is an interesting guy and probably will not win the nomination. he is well right as where the democrat s. he was the navy secretary under ronald reagan. and hes a very interest guy and a noted augustor. and as they say involved in the military and fought in vietnam. but not exactly what you call the mainstream democratic party activist. >> i am one that believes that the command...

Careful with jim webb and saying that the democratic party there is it notalgia for the bill clinton years and webb is more like bill clinton than hillary clinton is. >> we can point out ed rogers is a republican political operative and lobbyist and when he is advising the democrats you have to take it with a grain of salt. she doesnt have to worry about jim webbs argument but she has to worry about jim webbs point. the views look that way compared to barak obama, that bill clinton was pushing i...