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white house. good evening. >> great evening to you. if the white house striking a major deal here to release chelsea manning after more than six years behind bars. expected to be released on may may 17th, 2017. dramatic reduction of the 35 year prison sentence. part of a big day here at the white house as the president announces a number of commutations. let me tell you about chelsea manning. formerly bradley manning, accused of a major leak, a 2010 leak to wikileaks that revealed american military and diplomatic activities across the world. manning spending less than seven years behind bars, down from 35. not on the list of commutations and pardons today, infamous nsa leak or edward snowden. snowden has been holed up in russia. he has tweeted his support for manning, writing "mr. president, if you grant only one active, c. please free chelsea manning. you alone can save her life." it's ironic that five days ago wikileaks tweeted that if manning were granted clemency, julian assange would avail himself to extradition to the u.s. to face possible charges. here is what he told sean hannity about manning. i'm quoting "we've never said chelsea manning is one of our sources. a child they have said they are buddy even if someone is arrested and convicted and even if they were to plead guilty, we still don't say whether they are one of our sources or not." outrage on capitol hill. the lion issuing the following statement. "this is just outrageous. chelsea manning's treachery put american lives at risk and expose sensitive secrets." and he adds president obama leaves and plays a dangerous president that those who compromise our national security will be held accountable for their crimes. i should point out there's one other note. this is important. we are told this is not it. we thought this was the extent of the commutations and pardons by the white house. we are told by senior officials to expect more, perhaps as soon thursday. bret. >> bret: that is interesting. to that point, president obama as of today has 212 pardons, 1385 commutations. if you compare and contrast rather with george w. bush. 189 pardons, 11 commutations. bill clinton, 396 pardons, 61 commutations. he clearly has exponentially more commutations and what does the white house say about that? are they wearing that as a badge or are they walking away from those questions? >> i don't think there's any question. they are wearing this is a badge of honor. i should add to the numbers that you shared. 504 of those were life sentences there were commuted. the president has made this part and parcel to his criminal justice reform. we are likely to hear more about that tomorrow as he holds his press conference. the white house sometime in the afternoon. >> bret: we will follow that. kevin corke live on the north lawn. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge is here. what did chelsea manning, what did it mean? what kind of damage do you do, the leak? >> in 2010 the afghan war diary was leaked. incident reports outside of afghanistan. my contact inside the intelligence community say that after the documents were published the taliban and went on a killing spree. if they saw a description of someone with short dark hair working with the u.s. government, they just went out and killed everyone with short dark hair. they were not this terminating at all in terms of the target. that is -- people who are working with the u.s. government were killed but it made harder to recruit intelligence assets. this issue is addressed by tom cotton. >> i don't want to speak about specific cases in part because of the classification levels involved. i want to say that it caused serious national scaredy harm. what president obama has done today is going to cause harm as well. pick up the other side of the argument is for the application for chelsea manning. it says the release the documents because no real damage to u.s. interests, so the viewers will have to decide for themselves whether there was damage and individuals died as a result of those leaks. >> bret: chairman of the house armed services committee saying this action has put our country and soldiers at risk. this has a terrible message of the world. what message does that it sendo julian assange? >> we spoke with a former senior justice department official under the bush administration this afternoon we asked if there was a partner clemency for manning, will it have a ripple effect on any kind of prosecution of julian assange in the future? he said absolutely it would help assange. >> i think it with strengthen his position. if the u.s. government says we are going to pardon manning for those offenses, i think it makes it that much effort to then say but we are going to drop the hammer on the person who published that information. >> assange was on twitter tonight. it's important to note he made no mention of that earlier offer to come to the united states if manning was freed. >> bret: thank you. we are less than three days away from donald trump's swearing in. we are bringing you stories and angles journalists have never dealt with during previous inauguration weeks. president-elect trump is tweeting happily about record numbers for his big day. as house democrats abandon the festivities in record numbers. the president-elect will enter office with record low approval figures, pulls but he and his supporters are pushing back and what they are calling for fake polls. the relationship with vladimir putin is getting stranger. with putin comparing trump critics to prostitutes. john roberts is outside trump transition headquarters good evening. >> good evening. donald trump is tweeting about the inauguration on friday, he is angrily taking aim at polls that show him with the lowest pre-inauguration public opinion rating of anyone in recent history. tweeting "the same people doing the phony election polls are now doing approval rating polls." trump's team is planning a steady stream of negative news reports. with just 66 hours until donald trump takes the oath of office his transition team is accusing democrats of doing everything they can to delegitimize his presidency and leave a mark on his election victory. even senator john mccain, whose relationship with trump has been contentious, acknowledged when it comes to the leak of the dossier of unverified rumors, something just doesn't smell right. >> this damning information, i handed it over to the fbi. the fact that this validated to say the least document was leaked is somebody's responsibility. the president-elect has a point. >> trump got back up from vladimir putin who accused the obama administration of trying to undercut the president-elect. putin dismissing reports that trump was cavorting with prostitutes. >> translator: he has socialized with the most beautiful women in the world. i find it difficult to believe he ran to a hotel to meet with our girls. although here also we have the best ones in the world. >> putin charged for the peoplo paddle in sex rumors are worse than prostitutes. >> interesting metaphor. the men and women of the united states intelligence committee are patriots. they are experts in their field. >> but putin did not stop there. sending an admonition to democrats trying to delegitimize trump's pridency. >> translator: the people who do that harm the interests of the united states significantly. >> cia director john brennan kept up the drumbeat against trump over the dossier. in an interview with "the wall street journal" insisting he didn't leak it, charging trump crossed the line and comparing the leak to the tactics of nazi germany. the number of democrats boycotting the inauguration is up to 58. trump's team is playing it off as no big deal. whether it was a memory lapse or something else, georgia congressman john lewis walked back his assertion that trump's would be the first inauguration in 30 years that he had missed. an aide acknowledging "representative lewis also missed one other inauguration, the first inauguration of george w. bush. his absence at that time was also a form of dissent. he did not believe the outcome of that election." >> we are learning more about trump's inaugural address. presenting himself as a present for all americans, america first grade we are told he spent much of the weekend rewriting it in his own words and did at least one run through with the teleprompter. he will use two bibles. one, a gift from his mother, the other the same lincoln bible barack obama used in 2009. >> bret: john hubbard's here in. let's get more on the democratic perspective on the boycott. steve: from tennessee is in the group of lawmakers for said they will not be attending. representative joins us tonight. thanks for being here. why are you doing this? >> several reasons. a large part is to let my district know that they have a voice in washington. my district voted strongly for hillary clinton and they felt that the slight tweet of john lewis, fighting for civil rights and voting rights at the edmund pettus bridge, it was wrong to say he was talk, talk, talk and no action. john lewis is a man of action. he had to do it against his own government to get voting rights and civil rights for that was wrong. that was the straw that broke the camel's back. >> bret: could it be he was not talking about his civil rights record and what he did in the past but what he's doing now to lift inner-city situations across america? and particularly in his district? i'm not reading between the lines here in the president-elect's tweets but they are only 140 characters or less. >> i know cnn has is in atlantd you have to go through atlanta to get anywhere in the south. there are a lot of good communities and areas. he took a slight at atlanta. you can't communicate through 140 or 142 characters. that's one of the problems the president has. if he wanted to communicate that, he should've sent a letter to john lewis, not tweeted and expressed his thoughts about inner cities. he expressed his thoughts in ways that were open to interpretation. when he does that concerning foreign policy, we are at risk. >> bret: congressman, your district, you mentioned the votes. tennessee 9. hillary clinton won to donald trump, 19.8% paired what do you see to the utmost 20% in your district voted for trump and in tennessee, trump won 61% to 34%. what you say to people who voted for donald trump from your state, your district, jose it's not about the man or the campai. it's about the office of the presidency and the peaceful transition of power. >> i say two things. i'm representative of district 9. senators represent states. >> 20% of your district voted for donald trump. >> obviously not, every single one of those people who wanted to go to the inauguration has been offered to get through my office. i will see them on thursday and talk with them. >> i'm not casting a vote or doing anything congressional. it's congress getting the best seats available. >> bret: do you see donald trump not a legitimate president? do you say he is illegitimate? >> i don't know the definition of that term. he won the electoral college. >> bret: so he is a legitimate president? >> yeah, he's going to be president. >> bret: john lewis says he's illegitimate good that's what triggered the treat. >> what john lewis is saying is that the russian leaks to wikileaks that trump used the same verbiage 174 times about wikileaks. they knew that would influence votes, the influence of those votes in michigan, wisconsin, michigan might've made the difference. if they did and if there was any coordination between the trump campaign in russia you've got a major factor to consider about your allegiance to the united states. >> bret: there are many states, michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania where polls showed the people voted for donald trump not because of what they were hearing from wikileaks but because they were concerned about their jobs and their situation. >> you don't know that. none of us know that. there's an accumulation of events that happened. a lot of moderates. if the polls made a difference, why would donald trump 174 times have talked about wikileaks. the polls told him that will move votes. >> bret: today the president, president obama, is commuting the sentence of the man, now woman, who leapt to wikileaks and many believe put u.s. troops in danger appeared what's your reaction to that? >> don't approve of that. there might have been some term that should have been lesser. i don't know. i think the governor of alabama was unjustly convicted and many u.s. attorneys and attorneys general have written and asked that his sentence be commuted or pardoned. i think people in prison for marijuana in states where it's legal now should be commuted or pardoned. i don't think that people like chelsea manning should come before all the people who have had nonviolent drug offenses in states where marijuana is legalized should be housed by the federal government. >> bret: we appreciate your time. you are not making a determination whether president trump is legitimate or not. you are skipping the inauguration. >> right. i am skipping the inauguration because of many things he's done. it was wrong to say john mccain wasn't an american hero. it was wrong to criticize, in my opinion, shouldn't have criticized meryl streep. it shouldn't have criticized john lewis. it shows he doesn't know about civil rights, that's important to me in my district. the fact that he didn't have engagements on martin luther king jr.'s birthday to celebrate their birthday and that man is a terrible indictment of the next president of the united states. >> bret: we appreciate your time. thanks for coming on. >> you are welcome. >> bret: the president-elect did meet with martin luther king iii and expressed on martin luther king day. we said -- manning is waiting. she has been told she will get gender reassignment surgery while in prison but will be released may 17th. president-elect trump's nominee for education secretary is appearing before this hour before a committee. mike emanuel has the latest tonight. good evening. >> democrats would love to derail one or more of president-elect trumps cabinet nominees. one of their prime targets is testifying now and if confirmed is expected to shake up the education system. >> i share president-elect trump's view that it's time to shift the debate to what moms and dads want, expect, and deserve paid >> that makes betsy devos, the pick for education second, a target for the left. massachusetts senator elizabeth warren sent a 16 page letter ripping devos' qualifications, writing "there is no precedent for an education department secretary nominee with your lack of experience in public education." devos' support for school choice and charter education has angered the teachers union. >> she spent 30 years defunding public schools, railing against them, fighting against having an investment in them and fighting for having private, for-profit charters. the record is abysmal. >> a fellow republican reformer says devos represents change and is the right person to fix our schools. >> she has worked with children all over the country in michigan, indiana, arizona. she understands what the problems in education are and she will go right at what i call 30 years ago, the blob, which is the mess of interests that clog up the american education system. >> montana republican congressman ryan zinke had his confirmation hearing to be the next interior secretary. bernie sanders grilled zinke on climate change. zinke replied climate is changing and man has played a role. >> i think where there is debate is what the influence is and what we can do about it. i'm not a client scientist expert but i can tell you i will become a lot more familiar with it and it will be based on objective science. i don't believe it's a hoax. >> a break from the president-elect who has suggested climate change is a hoax. >> zinke appeared to win over bernie sanders with the answer. the retired navy seal is not considered one of the more controversial nominees. >> bret: we will continue to follow that hearing. up next, why president obama has sent several hundred marines to norway in his final week in office. i thought i married an italian. my lineage was the vecchios and zuccolis. through ancestry, 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national security harm. what president obama has done today is going to cause harm as well. >> i'm surprised the president took this action i have concerns about what message we send about ultimately repealing sensitive national security documents. >> chelsea manning went through the military, criminal justice process. was exposed to due process, was found guilty, was sentenced for crimes. and she acknowledged wrongdoing. >> bret: the commutation of chelsea manning, in jail for leaking classified material to wikileaks that lawmakers say definitively put u.s. troops in danger and may have killed some. this, as you get the number of pardons and commutations by this president, contrasting that with george w. bush and bill clinton. clearly leading and commutations, exponentially. the dash there is a list of commutations and pardons. the other pardon, james cartwright, accused of a national security breach in revelations about the iranian computer virus, stuxnet. he's been pardoned. let's bring in our panel. steve hayes, a.b. stoddard, and laura ingraham. steve, first. chelsea manning and what this says, what it is. >> it's a disgrace and it's not a surprise from this president. the damage that these leaks did is not theoretical. it's real. it's clear, and it's demonstrable. the case the u.s. government made against chelsea manning, as one of my colleagues wrote about at the time, found this aided al-qaeda and its efforts to attack the united states and u.s. interests and u.s. military grade this is the way the ap wrote it up at the time. al-qaeda leaders reveled in wikileaks publishing documents. the u.s. government presented a written statement that osama bin laden asked for and received from an associate the afghan battlefield reports that wikileaks published. this is real effects. i think what the president of the united states did today is a total, absolute disgrace. it does tremendous damage going forward because it incentivizes weeks like this. >> bret: ab, what about the politics? wikileaks is in the news. julian assange this is a great thing. he tweeted last week that if you want to see whistleblowers and a new trump administration, that you need to commute the sentence or release chelsea manning. >> the politics of this are so bizarre. to watch senator menendez and democrats earlier tried to walk away from this, it's amazing. you almost wonder if it will be interesting to see what president obama says tomorrow. you almost wonder if he's trying to unite donald trump and the intel community and republicans and democrats together against this. no one has anything good to say. it's completely bizarre. there is may be an explanation about the length of the sentence. the fact that she has served seven years but beyond that, this is corrosive, as steve says, to future intelligence. it's the opposite. >> this is a radical move by a president who, tens of millions of americans think at various points in his administration he didn't have the best in interests of america. coming on the heels of all of this caterwauling about leaking and sensitive information in the public domain and russia and our enemy is using this information against us. on the heels of all that, president obama comes out in the waning days of his administration and gives a commutation to this individual who the prosecutors wanted to nail him on treason and aiding and abetting the enemy. he played down in the case. it was a shorter sentence. could have gone for a capital case. prosecutors decided not to. this was punishable by death, and now he's going to walk in may. are we really concerned about the release of sensitive information that compromises our troops and our national scaredy or not? i mean, i think heads are spinning for good reason. >> bret: if democrats want to see whistleblowers expose more crime and corruption under trump, they need to send a signal. release chelsea manning. that is from yesterday. i assange will agree to extradition. what do you think this means for julian assange? >> nobody knows what it means. it is silly to try to predict what julian assange will do nex next. suggested he will come here and face trial. i'm not banking banking on that. the politics of this are interesting. in effect president obama has been saying for the past six weeks that wikileaks is a russian front that has done tremendous damage to the integrity of the u.s. system. but the person who empowered it to do that damage should be let off. incredible thing to say. >> the layer of politics. you have 50-plus democrats saying they are not showing up for the inauguration because russia hacking before the election affected people's votes. john lewis says that that makes him an illegitimate president, there by he's not going to the inauguration. and these congressmen are standing with him. >> there is no way that tomorrow those people who were boycotting can say that they agree with president obama's decision on this commutation. >> bret: steve cohen didn't. >> it's a celebration of wikileaks, to be sure. what's really bizarre, bret, about this by caught -- boycott is that they aren't using the hacking as a reason. they are saying he's been on -- on presidential. it's a consequence of decision that is misguided. it's -- not really about celebrating democracy in the peaceful transfer of power. >> bret: i want to talk more about this but i want to play the sound bite from josh earnest. he was asked about guantanamo bay. four more transfers to. >> i don't anticipate we will succeed in the goal of closing the prison. but it's not for a lack of trying. the possibility of additional transfers remains a possibility. once we had reached the 30 day deadline for notifying congress in advance of teeny transfers, the likelihood of succeeding closing the prison was quite remote. >> bret: 72 hours left. they are still going to transfer people out? >> who knows what more damage they will do. you think about the president made this to do versus trump and the intelligence community. think about what this does to the intelligence community. everything that's happened, release of the gitmo prisoners. lord knows what's going to happen. we know many of them went back to the battlefield. if president obama were so concerned about the release of sensitive information in making our system vulnerable whether to whistleblowers who want to release information or hacks from the russians, he would have been tougher on hillary rodham clinton. he would have had a different attitude. he wouldn't have put politics first. once again it's not about what he thinks about intel or compromising information. this is about politics. it was in the beginning with hillary clinton server. it is now with what he's doing with gitmo, manning. it's about throwing a bone to the left as he's walking out the door. >> bret: quickly. >> more commutations and pardons possible. could we see, i don't know, bowe bergdahl? >> president obama as he's always wanted to be, knowing he won't suffer political consequences for his actions. the questions on these moves and the ones to come, he see consulting with military and intelligence leaders? the cia declined to comment. john brennan has been everywhere in the past few days criticizing donald trump but he cannot comment on whether he agrees with this? it's an incredible no comment from them. i heard from one intelligence official today who said to me no president has ever to hurt u.s. national security interests ever. >> bret: next up, the trump inauguration grows closer, and it's lead up is >> congressman lewis is saying he didn't remember that he skipped them inauguration. >> conveniently doesn't remembe remember. you don't forget something like that. he got caught, and it's pretty bad. and it's making him look bad frankly. it's a very important time. this is a transition and a very important transition, especially because things will be done beautifully but they'll be done differently than they have been over the past eight years. and i can say over the past 16 years. there will be differences. we have to have a smooth transition, and president obama understands that very well and that's why he's been so gracious but he understands that. i think for him to have grandstsanded, john lewis, got caught in a bad light. let's see what happens. as far as other people going that's okay. we need seeds. i hope they give us their tickets. what happens to their tickets? i hope they're going to give us their tickets. >> bret: >> bret: president-elet talking ainsley earhardt tomorrow on "fox & friends." right now the number is at 58 democrats who are not attending or say they will not be attending. we are back with the panel. laura. >> started calling up various congressional offices to see if we could get these tickets they have and give them to wounded warriors, gold star families, or high school kids would like to go. they told us tickets were not transferable. in many cases that's not the case. what a dull, lifeless quality this bitterness is, graham greene wrote. it's bitter, petty, silly. it's not going to change anything. i think it's better to engage with the new president and i think smart people are doing that. i think the meeting with martin luther king iii could be instructive. i think you will see trump reaching out to other communities to expand economic populism, economic rebirth. i don't know what maxine waters, who says she will never work with president-elect trump, does that stop a drug connection from being made, stop a gang member, help a single mother? doesn't do that. america is sick of the two-party system and sick of nothing getting done in washington. it perpetuates gridlock and it's unfortunate. >> i agree. i think the list of donald trum donald trump's egregious words and deeds is without end. he is the father of the birther movement, trying to delegitimize president obama. there is great reason for their feelings. donald trump is right that this situation where lewis can remember boycotting another inauguration diminishes his credibility. they are stepping on their own feet. one day they will want to work on the president for their own constituents and they will regret this. >> bret: imagine that maybe the economy does boom maybe there is some prosperity and some of these inner cities and maybe some of these communities to see the rising tide that lifts all boats. >> bret: or there is a natural disaster in their district. >> and they need some help. >> bret: what happens then? >> this is a totally misguided move born out of, you know, their anger and disagreement. they can be an opposition, they can criticize but they have to leave themselves open to helping their constituents who are voting americans. >> he's the president-elect of the united states of america. this is the peaceful transfer of power. it's not a question. you show up, go, pay respects, disagree strongly, make your case on policy and issues, point out when he is wrong. call him a liar if you think he's lying but young engage, go, show up. this is a chicken way out for the democrats to try to avoid the problem and bolster their political base on the left. i think it's unfortunate. >> bret: many people i said it's not about the last campaign, the man or woman, it's about the office. the office of the presidency of the united states. we will see if that changes over the next 72 hours. that's it for the panel. more from today's confirmation hearings you may not have seen when we come back. . . ♪ >> bret: finally, tonight, you don't often see all of these confirmation hearings, a nice personal story from today's secretary of education confirmation hearing. >> more than 25 years ago, miss devos, i was sitting where were you sad, where you are sitting. and as a nominee for u.s. secretary of education. former senator of ohio said to me, well, governor, i have heard some disturbing things about you but i am not going to bring them up here. senator nancy of kansas looked at him and said, well, howard, i think you just did. >> bret: lamar alexander there. as we wrap up another welcome to a future viewer, "special report" director john walter welcomed roman daniel walter into the world late yesterday evening. the whole family is healthy, looking forward to some sleep. i can tell you that is probably not going to happen. congratulations to them. little roman is probably already calling out the different cameras, different angles, you never know. steve hayes, by the way, welcomed a new child recently. we are adding viewers left and right. thank you for inviting us into your home tonight. that is it for two nights at "special report." fair, balanced, and unafraid. "the first 100 days." have you seen the show? editors posted by martha maccallum. it is very good. it starts right now. it starts right now. heather: wednesday january 18th, fox news alert breaking overnight. george w.h. bush has been hospitalized. >> the army private who leaked military secrets and put our national security at risk. the move causing backlash. >> i think it's absolutely dead wrong. >> it caused great harm to national security. >> i am concerned about message we sent about revealing sensitive document. >> what does this mean by people like julian assange and edward snowden. heather: president-elect trump goes head to head with john lewis in an interview you will only see in fox news. >> he got caught and it's pretty bad and it's making them look bad frankly. heather: now more than 60 democrats are promising to boycott the inauguration. live in washington. "fox & friends first" starts right now. 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NorwayGeorgiaUnited-statesAlabamaGermanyIranAfghanistanWashingtonAtlantaIndianaWisconsinRussia appoint a second special counsel to investigate the fbi. he revealed he asked a federal prosecutor, john hubbard, to look into the agency's alleged abuse of power. republicans are welcoming that news while democrats call it a distraction. >> there were people at the top involved in the investigation who obviously had political points of view they were not shy about expressing. and, frankly, acting upon it seems. so having this prosecutor take a fresh look at everything that we know and could know is a very positive development. i respect the attorney general's decision. >> i actually don't think there needs to be an investigation. there has not been a showing of wrongdoing. so, i think this, you know, minimal investigation he's doing is an effort to sing for his super to appease donald trump. >> hmm. fred mccall away has more on this. >> appears to be not appointing a special prosecutor but not rejecting the idea either. instead he's appointing a respected government lawyer, outside of the washington bubble. to evaluate the evidence and ultimately decide whether to appoint a special prosecutor. he is utah u.s. attorney john huber, a man who graduated from the university of utah, was you a pointed by the obama administration and reappointed by attorney jeff sessions last year. >> this is a respected united states attorney. and i think that shows the seriousness with which attorney general sessions is taking the matter. >> so far the white house is reacting favorably to sessions decision, as you heard kellie ann conway say. but. trump hasn't weighed in himself. we have to wait for. that in the past he has hit sessions hard over the i.g. investigation maintaining the inspector general has no power to prosecute himself. other republicans have faith in huber. >> again, special counsel is the ideal. but i wouldn't write it off. i wouldn't minimize it the way some people are. >> but some house conservatives are minimizing the appointment of huber, noting the fbi has been unusually resistant to congressionals for documents related to alleged fisa abuses. >> i disagree with the attorney general kicks tell you i went through and reviewed some redacted things given to our committee. and on seven pages, there were 12 material facts, material fact not just names, material facts that, were omitted by the department of justice. it's time they come clean and give congress what we need. >> the democrats have long maintained calls for a special prosecutor are a distraction de signed to stop robert mueller. the fact mr. huber was appointed by the obama administration may mitigate some objections but not all. >> yeah, thank you for. that let's do a little bit on this, joined my republican congressman jim reneice, from ohio. what's your reaction to this? . i would never want to rule out the special prosecutor but i like the process. too often we get away from a process in washington. this is what the attorney general is doing. it may get us to a special counsel. let him do his job. we have a lot of good people in washington. let him do his job, let him find where are the issues, then if necessary let's appoint the special prosecutor. i praise he's moving forward in that direction. we may end up with a special prosecutor. but when we hire a special prosecutor, it costs the taxpayers money. i'm glad to see we're following a special process. >> does it make a difference the person looking into this is located outside the beltway? a lot of folks make the point he reports to rod rosenstein. >> i'm glad to see he's outside the beltway, he has the respect of many republicans and democrats. he has prosecutery authority, he has the background. let him do his job and move forward. we are he looking at, this happy to see we're looking at it, but i love to see the process, especially when we don't automatically jump into a special counsel. woe may get there, but let's follow the process. >> you know, one of the things of course that he's supposed to be looking at is also the idea of the clinton foundation. and what went on there and what was the investigation like. you know, what does it mean to bring it back up at this point. some say it's already basically shuttered. others say, well, you know it was doing some really questionable things and needs to be looked into. >> well, we need to look at all of this. the uranium one, clinton foundation, all of the issues need to be looked at and evaluated do. we need to hire the special prosecutor to do it, no. this individual, huber, can start the process, start to look at it, see what the facts are, turn those over to the attorney general, let the attorney general decide whether we quo to special prosecutor. i don't rule interest out, i just wish we would always follow the process. biggest failures in washington, many times to jump into something or to do something without following a process. i'm glad to see we have a process started here. >> what do you think about the revelations what carter paige is saying that the mueller team asked him about what was going on at the convention in terms of the conversations going on on the side lines with that ambassador from russia kislyak? >> one of the things i said about special prosecutors all along, stems the scope of their investigation gets too broad which is one of the reasons why i believe when we hire special prosecutors we should give them a specific direction to go and a place to go. i realize sometimes you have to go outside of those margins. but we get too broad of an investigation. >> but that's not too broad, if you're talking about he's supposed to be looking into collusion with russia and here you are at the convention, you have sergey kislyak sitting on the side lines, to want to know what members of the trump team talked to him about that's in the center of the fair way. >> that's why i said, let him do his job. we have experts, we have that special prosecutor, let him do his job. i just said i don't like when we get outside of those lines. he's not at this point, from what i've seen. we'll see as the investigation continues to go forward. >> what do you think could have gone on in those conversations? if he there is and having a conversation, is that improper, in and of itself? does it give you pause in if it was happening on the other side, what the heck is that? >> it's under investigation. i want to let the experts investigate this, come up with their opinions and decisions, bring the facts to the table then we can make those decisions. too many times we make assumptions over facts. i think in this case let's see what the facts are and make our decision then. >> maybe none of these investigations should be going on until the mueller probe is finished. >> well, no, i do think we have two different investigations. we have a russia probe and now an investigation into something else specific. by the way, we don't have a special prosecutor, we're use something one inside who has the respect to do it. let's let the process go forward. >> okay. thank you so much, we appreciate your time, sir. for more on all of this i'm joined now by attorney john jordan, also a republican strategist. thank now are joining us. what's your take right now? >> well, happy to be here. first of all, i think that washington is going to start figuring this out, that having mr. huber is much, much better than having a special prosecutor. if you have a special prosecutor, it's going to look like tit for tat. this it is equal parts law as it is optics f you have a special prosecutor it gets muddled up and easy for the democrats and other networks to undermine his credbility. here we have some one not only appointed by both presidents but confirmed unanimously. here we have the justice department working and we will have michael horowitz the office of inspector general report coming out. that's going to be very transparent. then if there is a need for a special prosecutor, the american public will likely be behind it. >> what does it tell you about where the investigation might be headed if he's asking about what was going on at the side lines at the rnc, networks making a huge idea out of the idea but they're really honing in on something specific? seems like a logical question. >> you have to understand the tradition involved here. since the middle '80s foreign am was dors have been invited bee the state department to the conventions of both parties. in the case of the russian ambassador, he has three jobs. in equal parts. to represent his country of don't the state department. equally to be an intelligence gatherer, to be a political insider in washington. as such he's a man about town. the russian ambassador is ubiquitous. lastly to be a lobbyist for his government to understand the levers of power in washington in the legislative and executive branch. you can't get away from the russian ambassador. i spent time with him in cleveland for goodness sakes. >> well, you spent time with him, what's your impression of him? >> well, he's a very smart guy, this is a prestigious post in the russian foreign min industry. they bring in people that are politically sophisticated, extraordinary language skills and extraordinary people skills. but their job is to be a man about town as much as anything else. so that they gather all of this intelligence, able to lobby minor and major government officials on behalf of the russian government on all kiemdz of the things from day-to-day. but you know, you can't get away from the russian ambassador, these types of things. it's been that way since promico, for 30 years. >> it complicates things this is a convention run by paul manafort, then you look at the legal situation he's in, vis-a-vis russia. and that makes the whole thing look a lot more suspicious. >> well, kind of look at it from the historical perspective. this was the first convention in american, modern american political history had the risk of being contested. this is a seminal moment in american politics. outsider defeat the, all of the political insiders. you had the real prospect of a floor fight for the nomination. so, you know, what russian ambassador wouldn't want to bear with it to this. that's why it was interesting to them, because it was a real -- a real departure from american politics, always been understood. >> what do you think about carter paige walking around talking about what he was asked? >> well, those reports came from he talked to ms nbc and routers. we need to develop that story in terms of what did he say. right now we're deeg with double and triple heresay. i'm not sure what he heard. i'm dubious of the swamp media on that story. >> we keep hearing about what's going on in these sessions that nobody is supposed to be talking about. >> yeah. it's unsub stan shated. >> about the process and accuracy of the reporting. i think a lot of people at home wish it would be over and we would just see what went on and see the results. rather than having all of these -- >> so many unnamed sources. so many likes, unnamed sources, not attributed, it's troublesome. >> john jordan, thanks for coming on. >> my pleasure. >> russia going tit for tat with the u.s. kicking out dozens of dwip low mats over the fallout about a chemical attack on the british soil. how the administration is responding and what it could mean for u.s.-russia relations moving forward. >> russia should not be ablting like a victim. the only victims are the two victims in the hospital in the uk right now. and the people who cannot go into the park, the medical workers, first responders. mitzi: psoriatic arthritis tries to get in my way? 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sorry -- the cold war. >> yes, the cold war, got you. what is the latest condition on the spy and his daughter? >> well, there's been developing news today, about that. the british police said that actually yulia, sergei's daughter is out of critical condition, she's talking to police, eating and drinking. many people said this nerve agent wouldn't have allowed that development. the great mystery, how that they are have agent was delivered. the police feel that it happened on the door of their house. if she can talk to police and give an idea of what happened the day they were poisoned maybe they can track down the russian intelligence agent who is believed to have done this. perhaps create that trail back to the russians as they are trying to do. but there are international monitors in the u.k. piecing it together and still looking for the man who carried out this attack. they do believe that was a russian agent. >> benjamin, thank you for that. more on this, let's bring in robert charles, a former assistant secretary of state to colin powell, former staffer to president's reagan and george h.w. bush. i don't know which part of that story is most disturbing. i mean, maybe it's the pictures of the icbm launching and attacking florida. >>le yeah, let's unfold or unpack this story. this is a typical diplomatic spy spat, usually very intense and last a short period of time, in a year's time a lot of the people are back where they were in the first place. or they are replaced. the context is very important. i think what we know about putin is that he's a bad akter, he is a -- actor, a former kgb agent acting like his pedigree, pushing the envelope wherever he can do it. the united states, and this is a very subtle but important message, the united states and allies acted in a uniform and in some ways unprecedented way in expelling 150 diplomats overnight at the same time, in two dozen countries. what does that really mean? it means if putin tries anything in the baltic or again in ukraine or pushes the envelope somewhere else nato will respond under article 5 with unity. they will be unequivocal in the kay that they respond and quick. the message back on that is sit down and absorb the fact there is unity in the western alliance. >> do you think it really means that? that would be great. but sometimes -- >> i think it does. >> sometimes you worry we're super tough and not necessarily allies that back us up. although i guess this was an attack on u.k. soil. >> yeah, i mean i think nato has gone through a bit of growing or regrowing pains at the beginning of the trump administration. this shows unity. and i want to go back to your point about the launch. couple of facts to understand here. first a launch of this kind of icbm is something that takes at least two months to plan. this had nothing to do with this tit for tat on spies. it was a launch that obviously was in the books for a while planned secondly, after the new stark treaty that triggered earlier this year, instead of competition between two countries, ours and theirs in numbers, we are competing in terms of quality of launch weapons. so what you are looking at in many ways, his statement they're still in the game. russia's economy tanked, it came up a little last year, but this is a country with icbms in oil and not a lot else to speak for it. i think in context you have to keep everything at a pitch that's below a dull roar. i don't think it's a panic moment. what i think it means, we have to be unified in alerting putin and reminding him we are a unified alliance. who's he picking for his friends? iran where he seems indifferent to their development of nuclear weapons, helping them. syria, where the long pole in the tent is assad that he supported. and even signed an agreement in 2000 with north korea. we know, i guess we're known by our friends andal our allies are strong, solid and democratic. putin is no man of democracy and no moral leader? >> according to the report from nbc tuesday, president trump told vladimir putin, quote, if you want to have an arms race we can do that but i'll win. apparently he was talking about this funding that just went through here in the u.s. first of all do you believe that report? and what does it mean to you? >> you know, there's a lot of superficial dialogue that goes on, sort of mano y mano in the current administration which i don't think is inaccurate, it's just sort of noise above the detailed work going on below the surface. >> he gets criticized for not talking tough enough to vladimir putin. that sounds pretty tough if it's true. >> i think, look, our geopolitical situation is such that we understand who our enemies are. i think we're on guard relative to the coming election cycle. we are developing our own ballistic missile systems and modernization efforts. to me it is in some ways just a recognition that the president understands the score and the stakes and he's got good people around him. jim mattis, john kelly, hopefully soon mr. pompeo. we're in good shape. you have to be on guard with the neo-soviet thinking that comes out of putin. we are on guard. >> when a bully leader stands in front of a screen and play as video of a weapon it always, i always wonder about how overblown it is. we don't know about this video, do we know that this really happened, that it was very successful, that the bragging always gives me pause. >> we know a few things. first, putin often doesn't tell the truth. secondly, we know that there is a modernization effort ongoing. i think we also recognize or should recognize that this is a moment in time when being provoked is probably not the right answer. we should be the calm one in the room, the adult, and my great public diplomacy and private diplomacy in finding agreement. nine days ago the soviet soy yesterday went up with two american astronauts on it. we work on things together. give putin a little bit of room to understand we're not going to take -- we're not going to allow him to do anything that's outside the bounds of international law but at the same time there's room for dialogue. i think trump's message was a good message, in a way it was a little blunt but we have great people, including, again, jim mattis and john kelly, clearly demonstrating, soon john bolton, american resolve is and always will be clear and unmovable. >> that's a great point, we have people who went up on their vessel, they're hosting the world cup, vladimir putin is standing in front of a video screen where he's showing his missile hitting florida. it's all very disconcerting. robert charles, thanks for coming on. >> sure. >> growing support for president trump's border wall is nearly 400 sheriffs across the country send a letter to congress demanding they fund the project. will this help get lawmakers to the table, the sheriff who spearheaded that letter joins me next. and we hear from president trump yesterday in ohio comparing the dmz between north korea and south korea to the u.s.-mexico border. >> president trump: we spend billions of dollars in other countries maintaining their borders. and we can't maintain our borders in our own country. is there something a little bit wrong with that? 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>> good afternoon. this was, we've reached a point in this country, the sheriffs have, where we can't stand by any longer and allow the continued marginalization of our abilities to keep our citizens safe, by the inaction of congress. congress has failed to act on this for 20 years. and further, what we are finding is there are more and more efforts in communities across the country because of inaction, where elected officials are breaking up the partnerships that we have developed with our state, local, and federal partners to maximize our ability, to share resources and intelligence so that pea can get the bad guys off the street n this case get them out of the country when warranted. so that our citizens can be safe. >> democrats say, and even some republicans in border states, say that a wall in and of itself is a tremendous waste of money, there's a lot of things you want to do. that physical barrier, isn't perbly effective. terribly effective. >> it's not true, i have been down to the border three times, also to the borders of israel. i have seen what the israelis have done. combination of you do need barriers at certain points, you need cyber security at certain places, seismic sensors, observation posts. there's a whole combination of things. certainly along the border there, the terrain doesn't allow for a wall at every place. but the walls are important and they are effective. we do need them and we have needed them for a long time. >> what do you think about the president's idea of trying to get the financing secured through the pen to gone? >> well -- pentagon? >> one thing about this president i'm proud of and happy to support is the fact that he's looking for whatever way he can to take care of the needs of the people, the things that he knows are important to america and to our safety. and he'll look for any creative way he can do it. as long as it's within the confines of the law, god bless him. we have waited 20 years. any of us, if we were in a private business and our boss told us we had to complete four or five projects and took us 20 years, we'd probably be fired after the first three years. congress just goes on and plays politics with this while the president is trying to really do something that's going to make a difference. and that's why the sheriffs are right behind him. and will continue to be. >> you mention the politics of it. and it does seem like that that is exactly what has gotten in the way, people in the past that were for funding border security now that it's call a wall or wall system don't want anything to do with it, don't want their name attached to it. how do you get it back to the place where it's not just about politics, it seems like that's getting in the way of getting it done. >> well, you do what's going on right now, which is the cher efs of this country are mobilizing, you're seeing citizens mobilizing, you're seeing county commissioners in california pushing back. this country, i think, is starting to rise up. they have had enough with the inaction in congress. they want something done. we pay people to go down there, represent our interests, and do something. all we get is this back and forth fighting over political issues, and so now the people are taking it into their own hands along with law enforcement, the sheriffs they have elected, saying enough is enough we're going to rise up and demand that congress do things. who knows, maybe we will end up with a go fund me page to help build the wall and americans can invest that way as well. we're going to mobilize this country and get it done. >> it's an interesting idea, did you just -- did that come off the top of your head or you've been talking to people about? 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>> getting heated, dan springer, thank you. new reaction to a stunning internal facebook memo now. that was leaked to the media causing big trouble for the social media giant. even as it struggles to respond to a scandal over the misuse of the private information of 50 million facebook users. so this 2016 memo was published by buzzfeed. vice president andrew bosworth says facebook's commitment to growth is more important than basically all other concerns. he writes, quote, we connect people, period. that's why all the work we do in growth is justified. all of the questionable conduct, the subtle language that helps people stay searchable by friends that can be bad if they want to make it negative, maybe it costs some one a life by expose something one to bullies. maybe some one dies in a terrorist attack coordinated on our tools. facebook founder and ceo mark zuckerberg is standing by bosworth, saying he, quote, most people on facebook disagree with the memo. let's bring in the power panel, back from the couch, sirius xm patriot host david webb, and the host of steel and unger on sirius xm rick unger. i mean, really, this means to me, when you see one of these executives going out there, and any team, pretending they're surprised by what is going with facebook and they're surprised by the negative outcomes and even surprised by terrorists connecting with each other, that's a lie. they aren't surprised. they discussed it and decided de facto growth is all that matters. . you could get to that conclusion. this memo has been around for quite a while. we're just seeing it now. it's been making the rounds in the silicon valley for anls. if you listen to mr. bosworth, he says i was doing that to provoke, i'm a proper advocacy tour. the worst part is facebook's owner, boss, basically came out and said that's not what he was doing and we don't agree with it. that's nice. >> david, at the very least, i mean, even if you took mark zuckerberg at his word and that he doesn't agree, shows they knew that people might die as a result of their practices and that they were discussing whether or not that made sense. i mean they can't ever say oh my gosh we had no idea this would happen when they act like they were victims of cambridge analytica. and, no, that's their business and they know it. >> not only did they know this but, look, they're tech guys they know what it can be used for. technology can be used for good or bad. >> the intention. >> the intention. if boss forth stopped before the "maybe" in the memo, then we could all say, okay, i get it, they're looking at growth no matter where it goes, they understand the risk of the technology. the minute you go to the next one, facebook is in a position of not being able to defend it to you or me or the american people or globally, people say hang on a second, you took this to terrorism and death, things that are on the minds of people, culturally conscious things as well as life on the line. whether it's intended or not or whether they didn't mean it or not, comes across as we don't care. when people are your product, that makes it tough on your business. >> one thing i ask of you, you're both political guys arc lot of people in the company have political ambitions. mark zuckerberg 2020, sheryl sandberg, seems like, wants to run for something at some point whether it's senate, congress, whether it's president. people have short memories. something incendiary as they were discussing the fact, what is our growth more or less important than people dying, the fact you are even having this conversation, no matter where you come down on it. does that hurt either of them in the long term, does it come back to haunt them? or do people forget when they run for office they'll forget until the political ads start running. it hurts them in the long run, no question about it. they may not have been the ones to say it. >> they're in charge. they're in charge. that's not the only problem facebook has had this week. all of this comes back in a political ad if either of them choose to run for office. >> on the other hand, if you're playing the numbers game, and that's what the numbers game in sales or this kind of field, while political ads can hurt you, at some, will be a group of people that say, well, doesn't matter to me. >> small group. >> and the republicans, probably. i don't know if they'll run on the right. >> when you have billions, whether it is a right or left issue, when you have billions and hundreds of millions in the country, playing the numbers game for an election localized, state or other size, there's an element not enough people may object. >> attorney general jeff sessions rejecting request to appoint a second special counsel to investigate alleged power abuses of the fbi. that despite calls from republicans to look into how the agency handled the hillary clinton e-mail investigation as well as revelations about christopher steel who put together the anti-trump dossier. the power panel is back. what makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever? 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[ laughing ] >> give it a shot. >> but i think he probably got it right. what he did was appoint a special counsel lite. mr. huber, out of the beltway, a bipartisan u.s. attorney. i think it was good idea. what's going to be interesting, you have to separate issues here. you have the part of this that are clinton related. those can go through their entire investigation without having to go to special counsel. you don't have the conflict situation. what's interesting is the fisa matter. there is one where you could have conflicts, you could say that people in justice are trying to protect other people. that may be the one that ultimately goes to a sperl counsel. which the attorney general has left the door open on. >> david you agree? >> this is a very uncomfortable panel. >> i agree. [laughing] >> i talk about this -- >> doing our part for peace and love. >> i love it! >> this is a process. i think we are outnumbered, i got blowback when i said the right has to get this right. there are some things that a special counsel can do and we're not there yet. i agree with rick on the fisa issues, you can't investigate yourself within d.o.j., cozy bureaucracy of protectionism. leaving the door open, a prosecutor that can empanel a grand jury, can have subpoena power, is different than an i.g. who can't subpoena people once they left the bureau. the clinton issue is an ongoing investigation. you aren't reopening an investigation you are actually going back into it f there is actionable evidence there, something you can charge, that prosecute or can charge it. the other side of this. if it's there and i believe it is, then it's something you can't bury as easily. and i think the prosecutor is in a better position than -- special counsels go way too far way too many times. and become long drawn-out processes. when it comes to the clintons we have to get right to the issue of the clinton foundation. that's a big problem. and then let's put the special counsel on fisa. >> as far as the guy out in utah picked to work on this, i wonder what that phone call was like? everybody who heads one of these investigations, you know, ends up just getting raked over the coals in the end it seems like both sides. this is one of the worst jobs ever. >> i don't know that that's true. on the clinton side, it's all political. no matter what the guy comes up with, whether he wants to file charges against clinton for various things or doesn't, you have people squawking about it, yes. but it's an old issue. it's going to be there, republicans will want him to go get her and all that stuff but it won't. it's the fisa court that remains to me the most fascinating. because this is where justice has to take a look at the work of other justice officials. there are a couple republicans in the congress who are getting a kick out of that, most of them aren't. that's the one that i think is fascinating. also because this whole case has been built on the idea that the fisa court judges don't read footnotes. they do. the good stuff, you know, you're a lawyer, the good stuff is in the footnotes. >> i'm not a lawyer, i play one on tv. i'm an economist. we have to go, sorry, david, thank you. the lawyer for stephon clark's family releasing the results of his autopsy today. he was killed by a police officer in his grandmother's backyard this month. we'll keep an eye on this. ♪ with expedia you could book a flight, hotel, car and activity all in one place. ♪ you've probably seen me running all over the country in search of our big idaho potato truck. but not any more. i am done with that. ooh, ooh hot - just gonna stay home on the farm, eat a beautiful idaho potato, and watch tv with my dog... tv anncr: the big idaho potato truck pulled into town today and it's really a sight to see. oh man...let's go.... 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PetersburgSankt-peterburgRussiaOhioUnited-statesUnited-kingdomSyriaCaliforniaFloridaNebraskaIsraelWashington president trump and the new tariffs on steel and aluminum. canada and mexico responding tonight. and what this could mean for you, the cost for appliances and popular vehicles. the late-night comedian under fire tonight. samantha bee and her apology now after using vulgar words to describe ivanka trump. from hawaii, the lava, and now tensions reaching a boiling point is, too. a homeowner firing shots at another. and the midair scare in the cockpit tonight. the pilot suffering a seizure mid-flight. good evening. and it's great to have you with us here on a thursday night. and we begin with president trump and his surprise pardon today. and could there now be a presidential pardon spree? tonight, signs from the white house several known names could be next. in a tweet on his way to texas, the president issuing his fifth pardon tody nesh d'souza who had pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations. while you might not know his name, you'll know some of the people he's targeted in his tweets. the president signaling martha stewart could be next for a pardon, and former illinois governor rod blagojevich, as well. both of whom appeared on versions of "the apprentice." abc's jonathan karl leading us off tonight. >> reporter: president trump is flexing one biggest powers, the power to pardon, considering pardons or commutations for two very high profile convicts. martha stewart and disgraced former illinois governor rod blagojevich, both with reality tv connections to the president. blagojevich, who was sentenced to 14 years on corruption charges, for allegedly trying to sell the senate seat vacated by drk drk barack obama -- >> i'll do anything. legal and et call and honest. >> reporter: -- was a contestant on "celebrity apprentice." blagojevich was eventually fired by trump on the show, but on air force one today, the president said this about him. "he's a democrat. he's not my party. but i thought that he was treated unfairly. he shouldn't have been put in jail." and martha stewart. she served five months in prison after her conviction in 2004 for obstruction of justice and perjury, did an "apprentice" spinoff shortly after getting out of prison -- trump listed as an executive producer. >> i'm looking for "the apprenti apprentice." >> reporter: the president today cede stewart was treated unfairly, adding, quote, she used to be my biggest fan in the world. this comes as the president today issued a pardon for dinesh d'souza, a controversial conservative writer who admitted making illegal campaign contributions and was sentenced to five years probation, including eight months in a detention facility. d'souza, the president said, was "treated very unfairly by our government" and should have had "a quick, minor fine." d'souza, whom the president said he had never met, is a trump supporter. he was heavily criticized recently for his tweets on the parkland school shooting, including re-tweeting this image showing studenting reacting to a failed gun control vote, writing, "worst news since their parents told them to get summer jobs." he later apologized. pardons usually take years and go through the justice department's pardon office. the d'souza pardon was fast-tracked and was not reviewed by the justice department. all this talk of pardons raises qutions about whether the president would consider pardons for any of his allies tied up in the russia investigation, including his personal attorney, michael cohen. something i asked the president about last month. >> are you considering a pardon for michael cohen? >> thank you very much. stupid question. >> we remember him telling you it was a stupid question. jon karl back with us live tonight from the white house. and jon, we know another name in the reality tv world, kim kardashian, bringing a pardon case to the president overnight, and word tonight he's now considering it? >> reporter: kim kardashian met with the president yesterday in the oval office. she was there to make the case for pardoning a 63-year-old grandmother named alice marie johnson, who is serving a life sentence for a first-time drug offense, and the white house tells us tonight that the president is seriously considering a pardon. >> jon karl leading us off again tonight. thank you, jon. we're going to turn fwhex to the growing manhunt at this hour for the alleged killer of a sheriff's deputy. steven wiggins seen in this newly released surveillance image, just days before the shooting. police tonight have asking for the public's help, and the reyard is now growing. abc's alex perez is in tennessee tonight. >> reporter: agents suiting up, taking to the air as the desperate search for an accused cop killer enters its second day. investigators in tennessee tonight releasing this new picture of suspect steven wiggins. law enforcement across the state working around the clock. they believe he may now be on foot. >> reporter: where is he right now? any idea? >> we don't know. >> reporter: the rugged, rural terrain only complicating things. it was about 7:00 a.m. wednesday when sheriff's deputy sergeant daniel baker, responding to a call of a suspicious vehicle, tried to pull wiggins over. the suspect instead leading baker on a chase that ended in a shootout. the deputy later found dead. overnight, authorities charging the suspect's acquaintance, erika castro miles, with first degree murder in connection with the killing. and in dickson tonight, a special procession escorting sergeant baker's remains. and david, another factor complicating things for investigators, the rainfall here has washed away footprints and made it difficult for police dogs to pick up a scent. david? >> alex perez with us again tonight. thank you, alex. there is severe weather we're watching at this hour. 17 million americans from the rockies all the way to the ohio valley. a deadly mudslide in north carolina, after a gas line ruptur ruptured, shattering this home and killing two inside. flood watches and warnings from georgia to maryland. one dead, three people missing in virginia. and there is a tornado watch in the heartland at this hour. the same system that blew this semiover in texas. meteorologist rob marciano live with us tonight. a very foggy scene there behind you, rob. he's tracking it all. >> reporter: hi, david. we have three separate upper level systems in the wake of alberto that are just causing a mess across the east and the west tonight. check it out. the northern rockies have severe thunderstorm watches up. that goes into north dakota. and then right smack in the heartland, in the boot hill of missouri and up the ohio vriver a tornado watch until 8:00 tonight. look at the flash flood watches and warnings at this hour. d.c., baltimore, asheville, you see it there. more of the way in rains in the east tomorrow. and then severe thunderstorms roll into the northern plains tomorrow, with more on the way of damaging hail and winds and a few tornadoes possible. david? >> rob marciano with us again tonight. thanks, rob. and to your money tonight, and the president slapping new tar riches on steel and aluminum imports on canada, mexico and the eu. prices could soon be going up on everything from appliances to your favorite vehicles. abc's chief business correspondent rebecca jarvis tonight on why. >> reporter: president trump has been signaling for months he could take action. >> we've been taken advantage of by the world. that's not going to be happening anymore. >> reporter: and tonight, the white house escalating that trade battle, targeting some of our closest allies, europe, canada and mexico, with stiff new tariffs on steel and aluminum. for american consumers, the new rules could mean higher prices on everything from appliances to airplanes, canned drinks and cars. a trade group for u.s. automakers says these tariffs will result in an increase in the price of domestically produced steel, threatening the industry's global competitiveness and raising vehicle costs for our customers. take, for example, ford's f-15. the engine and transmission both made in here the u.s., but some of the aluminum in that truck comes from canada. europe, mexico and canada, our second-largest trading partner, already firing back. >> let me be clear. these tariffs are totally unacceptable. >> reporter: tonight, canada and our allies countering with their own new tariffs on hundreds of u.s. goods, everything from peanut butter to pork to cranberries and toilet paper. >> let's get to rebecca jarvis, live from the new york stock exchange tonight. and these new tar riches are set to take effect at midnight tonight? >> reporter: yes, that's right, david. and it's unclear how quickly consumers might feel that, but you can imagine the backlash to any price hikes, considering that corporate america will be saving about $80 billion this year because of the tax cut. david? >> rebecca jarvis tonight live in new york. rebecca, thank you. we're going to turn now to the high stakes talks here in new york city today. secretary of state mike pompeo, hosting north korea's former sky th wer seen toastingh other. the talks ended early today, but they were quick to say, don't read anything into that. and what that spy master is now bringing the president tomorrow. a letter from kim jong-un. abc's chief global affairs correspondent martha raddatz in new york. >> reporter: the president now awaiting that letter from kim jong-un himself, which will be delivered in person to him tomorrow at the white house by north korea's former spy chief, kim yong-chol, who needed a special waiver to enter the u.s. because he is on a sanctions list. >> i look forward to seeing what's in the letter. >> reporter: the letter, the culmination of two days of talks between kim yong-chol and secretary of state mike pompeo. at a dinner last night, pompeo treating the north korean delegation to american beef and a sweeping view of manhattan, while talking of economic prosperity the north could come to enjoy. today, another meeting, and a handshake that pompeo said showed the two countries are at a pivotal moment, as the proposed summit date approaches. >> it would be nothing short of tragic to let this opportunity go to waste. >> reporter: but pompeo said it will be a process. >> there will be tough moments, there will be difficult times. i've had some difficult conversations with them, as well. they've given it right back to me, too. our mission is to bridge them, so we can achieve this historic outcome. >> and so let's bring in martha raddatz, who is here with us in new york tonight. and martha, we heard you talking with the secretary of state pompeo today, and we were struck by his answers. he kept calling this a proposed summit. for folks keeping score at home, is this summit on? >> reporter: that's what i asked him, why do you keep calling it a proposed summit, do we know anything more? and he said, frankly, i don't know, but we do have that letter delivered to president trump tomorrow, so, hopefully we will know more, david. >> and you'll be tracking it. martha, thank you. we're going to turn next tonight to late night comedian samantha bee, who is apologizing tonight after using vulgar words to dribl i van ka trump. and all of it likely leaving many of you at home to wonder, what happened to civility in america? here's abc's matt gutman. >> reporter: late night comedian, samantha bee, under fire tonight over what she said on her weekly tbs show called "full frontal." >> you know ivanka, that's a beautiful photo of you and your child. but let me just say, one mother to another. >> reporter: addressing ivanka trump directly, hammering her for her father's tightening immigration policy. and then going on to call ivanka a slur so crude, we can't repeat it. white house press secretary, sarah sanders, calling the language "vile and vicious" and called for bee's network to take action. what followed was a full frontal apology from bee, who tweeted, "i would like to sincerely apologize to ivanka trump and to my viewers for using an expletive on my show to describe her last night. it was inappropriate and inexcusable. i crossed a line, and i deeply regret it." this latest attack on civility following multiple tweets by roseanne bar over the last couple of days, comparing a former president obama adviser to characters from "planet of the apes." abc fired roseanne and canceled her show within hours. and for the first-time, her long-time costar john goodman opening up, saying, "i would rather say nothing than to cause more trouble." now, tbs has weighed in, calling the comments vile, and also adding, those words should not have been aired, it was our mistake, too and we regret it. two major advertisers already saying they are pulling their ads for now. as for bee, her fate on the show at this point, david, remains unclear. >> matt gutman with us again tonight. thanks, matt. next, to the crackdown at the border. hundreds of children separated from their parents if they cross into this country illegally, even if they're applying for asylum. the parents in many cases incarcerated. the children can be sent 1,000 miles away. abc's chief national affairs correspondent tom llamas with one mother whose son was taken from her eight months ago, and authorities can't tell her when she'll see him again. tom is just back from the border tonight. >> reporter: homeland secruty secretary kirstjen neilsen on the southern border tonight, getting an up close look at immigration enforcement this week. but behind the scenes, a hard line tactic under way, separating immigrant families that cross illegally into the u.s., including asylum seekers. >> if you don't want your child to be separated, then don't bring them across the border illegally. >> reporter: at least 700 children have been separated from their families since october. it happened to his mother, jocelyn, who says she was fleeing an abusive husband back home in brazil. when she and her 14-year-old son crossed illegally, her son was taken from her. she says, "he looked at me, like, mom, help me, because i don't know where they're taking me." her son taken more than 1,000 miles away to live in a facility in chicago. they haven't seen each other in more than eight months. after 25 days in an el paso jail, she's now living in a shelter, waiting for the government to rule on her asylum status. with the help of the aclu, she's suing to get her son back. immigration advocates say they've never seen anything like this. >> literally 3, 4, 5 years olds begging, screaming, "please don't take me away from my mommy and they are just being ripped away." >> reporter: the trump administration insists they're simply prosecuting a crime. >> if that parent has a 4-year-old child, what do you plan on doing with that child? >> the child, under law, goes to hhs for care and custody. >> they will be separated from their parents? >> just like we do in the united states every day. >> reporter: and the president somehow blaming this on democrats. >> the democrats gave us that law. it's a horrible thing, we have to break up families. >> reporter: but lawmakers and immigration advocates say that's simply not true. that this enforcement is to scare people from entering the country illegally. now, as for jocelyne and her son, they are hopeful they will be reunited soon, but right now, hope is all they have. the court has yet to decide on their case, and health officials have now warned about the long-term psychological damages these long-term separations could have on those children, david. >> tom, we know you'll stay on this story. great to have you here tonight. there is still much more ahead on "world news tonight" this thursday. the midair scare in the cockpit. the pilot suffering a seizure mid flight. the passenger plane with 161 people onboard, then making an emergency landing. also, the images coming in tonight from hawaii. first, the lava, of course, but now, tensions reaching a boiling point, too. a homeowner firing shots at his neighbor. and we'll have more on the confrontation on the golf course making national headlines tonight. the 911 calls just released. managers accused of discriminating against five black women on the course, and you will hear that 911 call as the news continues. there at the worst times. constantly interrupting you with itching, burning and stinging. being this uncomfortable is unacceptable. i'm ready. tremfya® works differently for adults with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. with tremfya®, you can get clearer and stay clearer. in fact, most patients who saw 90% clearer skin at 28 weeks... stayed clearer through 48 weeks. tremfya® works better than humira® at providing clearer skin and more patients were symptom free with tremfya®. tremfya® may lower your ability to fight infections, and may increase your risk of infections. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. tell your doctor if you have an infection or have symptoms such as fever, sweats, chills, muscle aches or cough. before starting tremfya®, tell your doctor if you plan to or have recently received a vaccine. ask your doctor about tremfya®. tremfya®, because you deserve to stay clearer. janssen wants to help you explore cost support options for tremfya®. allow you to take advantage of growth opportunities... with a level of protection in down markets. so you can be less concerned about your retirement savings. talk with your advisor about shield annuities from brighthouse financial- established by metlife. today bacnow introducing aleve back & muscle pain. only aleve targets tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. aleve back & muscle. all day strong. all day long. but i still get those cravings. so, i talked to my doctor and with counseling, exercise and using the nicotine patch and gum i quit for good. my tip is: get help to find the best way for you to quit smoking. 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