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gray was handcuffed behind his back. that he was in leg shackles and the theory is that he was standing up in the van kind of like this and that he went flying for whatever reason his head contacting the wall and the injuries that he suffered to his spinal cord happening at some point in that fall. now, the police report was released today to the state's attorney. the state's attorney has announced that her investigation is under way. the medical examiner has not completed a report. when we asked the medical examiner about these findings today, they said that they could not comment on an ongoing investigation and that they don't do preliminary reports. but that is a bit of news today that really narrows it down. people saw that arrest video. it looked as though freddie gray was severely injured at that point. he was screaming and yelling. it looks like the investigation is leading away from that and really focusing on what happened in that van. additionally the driver the police officer driving that van, we are told has not given a statement. the police are stressing but their investigation, however, is ongoing. >> also know that getting to the right answer is more important and making sure we look and overturn every rock is more important than coming forth and giving up documents. brad: so now it could be some time before the state attorney concludes her investigation and decides whether or not anybody will be charged in this matter. give you a little bit of a scene setter. as you can see, it's starting to rain the sky is very dark. we're hearing thunder and lightning. out on the streets, it's been a very normal evening. we are aware of one protest march that's going on. but it has been a very peaceful day in baltimore once again. back to you. maureen: thank you, brad. as for the chaos in baltimore, police are releasing many of those arrested during the civil unrest. more than half those detained have been released without any charges. that's over 100 people. among those who are charged is joseph kent. his dramatic arrest was caught on camera tuesday night when police say he violated curfew. his attorneys insist however, he's not the problem. the city should be dealing with. >> become political active and conscious with respect to doing political activity with respect to lawlessness. maureen: police reveal today 98 law officers have been injured since monday and 13 have been unable to return to work. tonight, abc 7 is getting answers about the future of the people accused and even caught on camera looting businesses. horace holmes continues our team coverage from baltimore. he's live with what business owners have to say tonight. horace? horace: maureen, every business in this strip mall on this row of this strip mall was looted on monday night. and every business had video of surveillance cameras inside and caught the looters going in. they've turned that video over to police. do the store owners think that police will actually go after these store looters and do they actually want them to be arrest ed? it was a day to do business for business owners victimized by monday's looting. to assess the loss. file insurance claims and police reports. looters broke into this clothing store in this neighborhood strip mall and walked off with everything. >> police could have came here and stopped them when they were doing all of this. but they didn't. horace: baltimore's police chief wanted to use surveillance video like this to find them and arrest them. >> should they arrest the people that did this? do you think they will? >> no. brad: store owners we talked to -- rob townsend spent today picking up the pieces to replace what looters took monday night from his beauty salon. >> part of the morning cleaning up and getting things in order, talking to the insurance company. horace: maryland's governor has talked about finding state funds to help businesses like this rebuild but townsend says he can't wait for that and he can't focus on revenge. >> i know shut down the business but they can't shut down my spirit. we'll be back open before the week is done. horace: now, legally, police can go after people caught on camera committing a crime. but in this case, so many people so many looted stores. there's a question about whether the police really have a will to go after everyone. store owners say they're going to focus on rebuilding. reporting live in east baltimore, horace holmes abc 7 news. maureen: thank you horace. abc 7 of course is continuing to monitor the situation in baltimore where more protests are planned. we'll be live there throughout this evening including when curfew enforcement begins at 10:00. the other big story we're following tonight is the big change in the weather. chief meteorologist doug hill is tracking the rain showers and he joins us now with the latest. doug? doug: hey, maureen. kind of cloudy at the moment outside of the belfort furniture weather center. doppler radar shows plenty of areas of rain especially south and southwest of metro. heaviest downpours south of fairfax and across the route 195 corridor in dale city. it's moving from right to left and moving from east to west not the usual pattern of travel around here. there's a lot of rain to deal with. most of the heavier amounts will be d.c. metro area west and the entire pattern will slowly calm down during the day tomorrow and things are looking good for the weekend not only with the clearing trend but warming trend. all the details coming up in the seven day outlook in a few minutes. maureen? maureen: thanks, doug. still ahead at 6:00 how senator bernie sanders may alter the tone in the race for the white house. plus a rescue team from county pulls a 15-year-old from beneath a collapsed building in nepal. the one thing that saved that teenager's life and a suspect is named in the attack on a man inside a metro station. we'll show you next. and don't forget to go to wjla.com to sign up for our breaking news and weather text alerts. maureen: new information tonight about an attack in a metro station caught on camera. last week we showed you these images of a teenager repeatedly punching a 69-year-old man on the escalator inside the eastern market station. today, metro transit police named 19-year-old elijah smith as a suspect. he is not in custody but he will be charged with felony assault once he is arrested. a man convicted of raping a woman along a silver spring walking trail will spend 60 years in prison. he was sentenced today. the judge went beyond the sentencing guidelines because of nature of the attack. torres pleaded guilty to raping and beating a woman at knifepoint along the northwest branch trail last year. rescuers from fairfax county pulled a young man from the rubble of the earthquake that killed more than 6,000 people in nepal. task force one deployed to that area on saturday to help sear for survivors in kathmandu. they found the 15-year-old beneath a concrete slab. a crushed motorcycle kept him from being killed. >> able to access the patient with cameras and some listening devices and then some tools, we were able to assist the nepalese in extricating him. maureen: 54 members of task force one are expected to continue the search for survivors into next weekend. next on abc 7 news at 6:00 a senator enters the race for the white house. how this underdog could change the tone of the entire campaign. plus rain moving through the area. how long will it last and what should we expect this weekend? tim: the caps and rangers are geared up and getting ready for the first round matchup in madison square garden tonight. 80th annual nfl draft is about to begin as abc 7 news at 6:00 continues. maureen: a charles county fire department is mourning the loss of one of its own. 20-year-old autumn jenkins of the volunteer fire department was killed in a head-on crash. police say an oncoming vehicle crossed the center line and hit her car. driver who hit jenkins may have been drinking. >> one of our members went over and was checking out the vehicle and came back and said it was autumn. and it was you know nothing we could do for her at the time. maureen: jenkins had been with the station for five years. tonight at 11:00, an eye opening "7 on your side" investigation into repeat drunk drivers. abc 7 fighting back against crime investigator jennifer donelan sits down with the parents of a university of maryland student killed by a two time drunk driver. she also looks into why critics say maryland law allows repeat drunk drivers to stay behind the wheel. our special report drunk and still driving, tonight on abc 7 news at 11:00. he says people should not underestimate me. that's the warning tonight from vermont independent senator bernie sanders. he just announced he's running for president as a democrat. he will face hillary clinton in the primaries. as senior political reporter scott thuman shows us sanders could alter the tone of a race. >> in this day and age, w it is possible for any candidate who is not a billionaire or who is not beholden to the billionaire class to be able to run successful campaigns. reporter: with bernie sanders now in it looks like we'll find that out much the vermont independent faces challenges like hillary clinton, fine tuned political machines and, of course, cash. but he says that's the point. >> our country belongs to all of us and not the billionaire class. reporter: the self-described democratic socialist is unapologetic for his brash talk which may play into his favor. sure, one poll shows him down 60 points to clinton but he could make the entire field uncomfortable. >> absolutely. will seem like the most authentic candidate of anyone running in both parties. reporter: john says because he banks on principles and not teleprompters that he will earn votes. >> there are going to be two types of people who vote for him. one, people who are voting against clinton. the other group that will vote for him are progressives. people who also share in senator sanders' values. reporter: a household name among progressives, he hopes to resonate with all parties and use that label as a champion for the working class. to change the landscape in a big way. sanders says he'll release very specific proposals soon for things like raising taxes on the wealthy, free tuition at public university and heavier regulations on wall street and in another effort to stand out, he says he also won't be running any negative ads. on capitol hill scott thuman, abc 7 news. maureen: sanders and clinton aren't likely to remain alone. other potential candidates include former maryland governor martin o'malley, jim webb and ex-rhode island governor lincoln chafee. an emergency helicopter landing turned into an unscheduled lesson for some alexandria students today. the air force chopper touched down on a playing field at the william ramsay elementary school. several students in gym class at the time got to talk to the crew about the chopper. no one was injured on the ground or on the helicopter which has been repaired and returned to its base. some excitement there in alexandria for those kids. doug: uh-huh. maureen: and for the helicopter, too. and the rain is -- doug: showers. kind of unusual in a way normally when we attract showers and thunderstorms, they approach the d.c. metro area from the west or northwest. today it's coming from the east. opposite direction. i'll show you why on the maps. let's get started, though and take a look at live doppler radar in the red. upper right hand corner 14 lightning strikes within the screen and that's where we're checking right now with areas of rain, we've had some hail. most are developing on the western shore of the bay and as it travels westward tends to intensify. most it was is south of the metro area now. very heavy downpours mount vernon stafford through charles county dale city and every now and then couple of hailstones come out of these systems. watch them tonight. generally later tonight the intensity will diminish and through the day tomorrow that intensity will diminish even further and eventually may come to an end. you may notice this is spinning counter clockwise due to the fact that all this is being generated by a pretty big low pressure center and has counter clockwise circulation. it's moving in to the west and coming back to the southeast. it will change tomorrow as it diminishes, goes away and opens the door for a pretty good looking weekend around here. 74 and 56 the high and low today. 71, and 52 are the averages in washington. we have 70 degree readings like at reagan national airport. other areas we have the 60's. now, tonight, we'll have scattered showers and they will diminish and over night, we'll remain rather cloudy. a cooler area of temperatures across the middle part of the country here. so we have to get rid of this cool air mass let it rotate through later tomorrow and tomorrow night into saturday morning. then we can get on to some real good clearing and very noticeable warming trend beginning later saturday through sunday. here's the big picture again as we zoom in on radar and satellite together. all this will pretty much consolidate off shore into a pretty good storm system. as that moves out to sea, it will take most of the rain along with it. we're looking good for the next couple of days. this is the futurecast showing how it will improve over the next 48 hours. here's the story weatherwise for you in the next seven days. still some chances of showers, only 30% tomorrow. a little sunshine. cooler. 65 for the high temperature sunday, it will be -- saturday, rather partly sunny. can't rule out a sprinkle. temperatures in the lower 70's. as we get through sunday, nice warmup. 8 80 degrees or warmer with sunshine tuesday into wednesday. maureen and tim? maureen: thanks, doug. are the caps ready for tonight? tim: they say they are. it will be interesting. bring them on. i have a preview for you. while the redskins have their game plan in place for tonight's nfl draft in chicago. it's all coming up next in sports. when you own a small business there's a never-ending list of small things to do every day. appointments... orders... deadlines... every one of them matters. so you need internet you can count on. verizon fios is really fast with 99.9% network reliability because when everything is running right, all those small things you do every day can turn into someing big. team up with fios for this great limited-time offer. tim: the 80th annual nfl draft sets up business on the corner of michigan avenue in chicago. it's the auditorium theater built back in 1989 historic spectacular and all eyes will be firmly focused on that podium when the nfl takes center stage at 8:00. robert burton is there. robert, what can fans expect from the home team tonight? >> well here's the situation, the redskins have the fifth overall pick in the nfl draft. and if the quarterback from oregon gets picked second what do you do? do you trade down for more. >> we'd love to get more picks in this draft. seven originals right now. and i'd love to get 10 plus out of this thing if not i'll be ok. but, you know, it's just -- it's -- you go and get a pretty good idea of what team needs are and what teams are coming for. the last thing you want to do is take yourself out of a good football player. robert: i don't think we can put a finger on any specific position that the redskins want. they'll take a quarterback and take offensive linemen and probably take safety. they'll definitely take pass rushes. for now, at nfl draft day robert burton abc 7 sports. tim: thank you very much. hear more coming up tonight. meanwhile, the caps are in new york for game one of the best of seven conference semifinal series against the rangers. new york won 3-4 from the capitals during the regular season. the caps play faster heavier with good chemistry and they come in with a whole lot of momentum after beating the islanders in game seven on monday night. hey, let's go to baseball. nationals are in new york to play the mets in a four game set. what an opportunity to get things going in the right direction, nationals have just had back-to-back wins scoring 26 runs. tonight, they have strasburg on the mound. they play new york four straight head to head. the nationals need some momentum and they need to win all four of those. maureen: let's hope they get going. let's hope the rain gets going, too. doug: take a look at doppler radar. heavier downpours and it's moving from right to left. east to west across your screen. but the tempo will taper down late tonight into tomorrow morning. steve rudin will be here at 11:00 to monitor and see if there are any heavy downpours left and give you more details about the weekend warmup ahead. maureen: "world news tonight" coming up next. have a good evening. breaking news from baltimore tonight. the secret police stop we never knew about. caught on a surveillance camera the suspect in leg irons in that police van. and now, a witness in the van reveals what he heard. and the protests from baltimore to philadelphia nearly 100 police officers now injured. ahorities believe a deadly shark attack on an american beach. a 65-year-old woman swimming. and the new warnings up tonight. where they haven't seen great whites in 25 years. the manhunt. the shooter on an american highway. you'll hear from the driver who called 911, not realizing she'd been shot. the volcano erupting at this hour. our team, flying you right over it. and the tiger on the loose in the heartland. the american zoo and the scare today.

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military in the world. we certainly spend more on our military than basically the rest of the world put together but we don't know how to win wars. and it seems to me that there really has to be a serious national conversation as to why is that the case? where does the fault lie? is that our politicians are too stupid? is that our generals are inapt? is the size of the forces are too small or and this is my belief is that the fact that by its very nature war is unpredictable? to go to war is to roll the dice and you might win and you might not. senate majority harry reid and republican leader mitch mcconnell came to the senate floor to mark the 9/11 attacks and to talk about syria. later in the day senator reed announced the senate would stop work on a resolution to authorize military strikes against syria and will instead work on energy efficiency legislation. >> mr. president, to i can mentor for those 12 years ago so clearly. not far from here in s219. that was where leader daschle held his leadership meetings every tuesday morning at 9:00. i was the first one in the room and senator john breaux from louisiana came in and he said flip on the tv. there something going on in new york and so we turned on the tv. it look like something happened in new york. we just thought an airplane had malfunctioned or something had gone wrong and hit the tower. so the meeting started. the tvs were off and we were doing our business for the day and suddenly a group of police officers came in and grabbed senator daschle and took him outside and came back very quickly and said there is an airplane headed for the capitol. we have got to get out of here. there was confusion to say the least with staff and senators ordered out of the buildings, plural. as we left that s219 you could look at the window toward the pentagon and the smoke was just billing. you could see it so very plainly now at that time we didn't know what was happening. we just knew we had been ordered to get out of here and of course we have all memories of what took place that day. i was the assistant later as was nichols from oklahoma. lott was the republican leader and daschle the democratic leader. we were taken from the east front of the capitol -- i'm sorry the west front of the capitol to a secure location in helicopters. the scene when i was taken to the west front of the capitol was eerie to say the least. there were lots of people in uniforms trying to create order out of confusion. without going into a lot of detail we went to a location and the vice president was there and met with us and kept us informed as to what was going on with the president. we spent the day there. we came back to the west front of the capitol were all members of congress gathered. and barbara mikulski for a of any one having a better suggestion she said we should sing god bless america and she got the song started and that was extremely memorable. so, mr. president we are going to have the ceremony just a few minutes a few minutes up front that i will talk a little bit there. the four leaders have been asked to talk out there. we did have a moment of silence regarding the more than 20,000 who were killed. in new york, pennsylvania and at the pentagon. in addition to those 3000 who were taken from us permanently thousands and thousands of other people were injured, some of them permanently injured. missing legs, blindness, paralysis. so mr. president i would just say that we raise our voices today in celebration of america's spirit and perseverance and we never forget 9/11. mr. president it is worth mentioning also for sure that on this day we also honor what took place a year ago in libya where one of our stellar and passengers was murdered in three of his brave colleagues all killed in libya. our country remains committed to seek justice for them and every american victim of terrorism. mr. president that is what the debate if syria is all about, at terrorism. before i begin the caucus yesterday when the president came, my introduction to the president was a film that was around created by senator feinstein and others. it's 12 or 13 minutes long and it shows what went on in graphic detail with this brutal chemical weapons attack in syria where these children are dying in dead. remember these poisons hit the little kids first. we have someone on senator durbin staff who is palestinian. she does the lip counts for senator durbin and for me and i had her listen to the film. i watched it. she listened so she could give me some idea what people were saying and what they were yelling. it was so sad. and what they were saying was that mostly they were praying. it was very very sad to see people holding their little babies. brief, pre--- breathe and they could not breathe. they dumped water on them anything to give them some relief. rows of these dead people hundreds and hundreds of children some of them dressed in their play close with fancy colorful little t-shirts. so mr. president even as we pay tribute to america's freedom across the globe -- not only their right to liberty but also their right to live. now the assad family is pretty good at killing people. "the new york times" had an article in the last 24 hours about his dad because it was a failed assassination attempt killing 30,000 of the people he thought needed to be killed. 30,000. that country, syria, denies its citizens the right to liberty but even more significant the right to live. so mr. president i showed yesterday that caucus -- no one wanted to see that. it was all i could do to glance up once more. i had already seen it. those divisions will always be in my mind. i showed the senators of the little boys in the, ice crusted shut frothing from the mouth with such unspeakable scenery, convulsing, writhing, spasms from poison gas he used to murder them. it was hard to watch but it was one that confirmed all of our convictions that the united states must not let the syrian regime go unpunished for using something out right. those weapons are not to be used in war let alone a bunch of innocent people. yesterday the president spoke to two caucuses. he spoke last night making the compelling case for military action against the assad regime. as the president said we have to send an explicit message to not only syria but the rest of the world. remember who has more chemical weapons then syria? only one country, north korea. think about that. if they get away with this what is north korea going going to do clinics then are we going to have a marketplace for purchasing chemical weapons? the use of chemical weapons by anyone anytime anywhere including the battlefield should not be tolerated. preventing these weapons from being used is not only in our own national interest but it's in the interest of the world. diplomacy mr. president should always be the first choice. that is who we are as a country and so we have been asked to suspend a syrian resolution to allow for these conversations to take place around the world. tomorrow our secretary of state is meeting with the russian secretary of state mr. lavrov to explore if in fact this is a legitimate proposal. talking and action are two separate things so that the republican leader now i have spoken and we will talk or today to see what we can do to get the president the time and space that our country needs to pursue these international negotiations and so we will report back at a later time. america must remain vigilant and ready to use force if necessary. if congress should not take the threat of military action off the table. i want to spend a little time talking to senator menendez the chair of the committee. i want to talk to other senators who are trying to work something out on their own and i will do that. leaders in damascus and moscow should understand that congress will be watching these negotiations closely. if there is any indication these are not serious and it's up ploy to delay to obstruct or to divert then i think we have to hold the assad regime accountable. so it is our determination not to let assad's atrocities go -- how we answered his question we'll continue to work on but it's very clear we wouldn't be where we are today even my friend the junior senator from kentucky today said that the reason we have the possibility of a deal is because of the precedent threatening force. it's interesting the sod has events at night of even having chemical weapons. so it's within serious power to avoid these strikes and swift and decisive action on the part of the assad regime to relinquish these weapons. we need a solution to succeed but just saying we want one doesn't mean it will happen. so he must quit leakproof the offer is real and not an attempt to -- all eyes are on president putin. we all know about the kgb. he was the president of that great big country and we are also grateful that even though relations aren't perfect with russia they are okay. so much better than they have been prior to the breakup of the massive country the soviet union. so we hope that russia is a productive partner in these negotiations. any agreement must in spite of the ongoing civil war. keep the stockpiles out of the hands of terrorists. so in short mr. president i am happy that we have some conversations and hope this can be resolved diplomatically. i certainly hope so. i apologize to my republican leader for taking so much time. >> mr. president. >> republican leader. >> 12 years ago more than 100 members of congress in both parties stood together on the capitol steps to show our sympathy solidarity and resolve. those of us who were there will never forget it. later this morning members will gather on the same steps to remember once again those who died and to recommit ourselves to our national ideals. our nation always pulls together in different that moment -- difficult moments. it's important we remember. so i look forward to joining congressional leaders and others out on the same step shortly on this day that has rightly become a very solemn one throughout our country. we remember today all those who were killed as well as the families they left behind. we remember them with renewed sorrow and we remember all who lost their lives or have been injured in the line duty defending our freedoms since 9/11. today we remembered the resolve we shared on a clear september morning 12 years ago. in the days and months that followed the attacks of 9/11 we did not cower. we took the fight to the terrorists while here at home we opened our doors our wallets and their hearts to those around us. we persevered. we maintained. together we will continue to do so as long as the struggle continues. mr. president i yield the floor. >> senate majority leader reed announced that he is pulling a measure from the senate floor to authorize military strikes against syria. texas senator john cornyn wednesday talked about his opposition to military intervention. >> madam president my dad was a pilot in the army air corps in world war ii. he served in the eighth air force, that the 303rd bomb group stationed in malls worth of england and on his 26 bombing missions over nazi germany he was shot down and captured as a prisoner of war where he served for the remainder of the war. i learned a very young age that when we start talking about matters of war and peace that we must take these very very seriously. so i appreciate the fact that president obama came to capitol hill yesterday and spoke to both the democratic conference and the republican conference and i further appreciate very much the fact that president obama spoke to the american people last night. i actually wish he had done it a little earlier sense the chemical weapons attacks occurred on the 21st of august it was roughly three weeks after that he finally spoke to the american people and i think it would have been better for him and better for the country if he had done it sooner and demonstrated a greater urgency. but i'm glad he did it. when a president asks the american people to support our united states military and the use of military force he has a solemn obligation to communicate to the american people how able protect america's vital interests. he has an obligation to tell the american people why going to war is absolutely essential to u.s. national security. he has some application to lay out clear and realistic objectives and finally he has an application to explain how a military intervention fits within america's broader foreign-policy strategy. now i've used the word war advisedly because sometimes i think we get caught up in political correctness around here talking about workplace violence at fort hood, overseas contingency operations. as a veteran of the united states marine corps who served 40 years told me just this last week when i asked for his advice on what the president was asking us to do he said, anytime you kill people in the name of the united states government it's an act of war. so like others in this chamber over the last few weeks i have attended meetings with the president where i've had the honor of being in his presence and listening to him in person on two occasions, no listening to other administration officials and i have sat through hours like all of us, hours of classified re-things with the central intelligence agency, the department of defense and the state department. i have listened intently as senator kerry described and what i thought at first was an inadvertent statement made as the result of fatigue and i can only imagine what he must have been going through shuttling back and forth around the world to try to resolve this issue but he described this strike as unbelievably small. i was further surprised when i heard the white house press secretary said no, it was not a gaffe. he did not misspeak. we all misspeak from time to time so i expected him to say well he should have used other words or he might have used other words and senator kerry himself now secretary kerry said no i didn't miss a beat. i was encouraged to hear the president addressed the nation because i believe before you take your case overseas to american allies that you should first make the case here at home to the american people. in making their case for a brief limited attack against syria administration officials have repeatedly said the u.s. military intervention would not seek to topple the assad regime. even though regime changes been the policy of the u.s. government since at least august 2011. their military campaign would not seek to change the momentum in serious civil war given though as i mentioned a moment ago our government's official policy is one of regime change, that assad must go. my view is that the u.s. cat that allowed assad to remain in power with some of the world's largest dock is a chemical weapons would not promote u.s. national security interest. indeed, it's not hard to imagine how that kind of intervention could actually backfire and end up being a propaganda disaster. many of us are concerned about upholding america's credibility particularly when it comes to matters like this. i share their concern but it would really help if before we launch a half-hearted ineffectual attack that gives our enemies a major propaganda victory that we come up with a more coherent plan and strategy for accomplishing our public policy goals. you no, murphy's law, what can go wrong will go wrong, there is a murphy's law of war too. perhaps many of them but one of them is no plan to go to war survives the first contact intact. in other words, that you can plan to shoot the first hole at but you can't control what happens after that. in all likelihood such an attack would hurt our credibility and reduce u.s. public support for future interventions. this is what i mean. if we were to take a limited military attack against assad in order to punish him for using chemical weapons, which is a horrific act on his part combat a barbaric act on his part but it left aside in power, what is he going to tell the rest of the world? he is going to say the world's greatest military force took a shot at me and i'm still here. i am still in power. i'd whine and america lost. that is how i can see this backfiring and in a serious way undermining america's credibility. credibility that we must keep intact particularly as we look at larger looming threats like the iranian aspirations for nuclear weapons. i want to be clear though madam president i would be willing to support a military operation in syria but only if our intervention meant certain criteria. number one, if it directly addressed the nightmare scenario of assad's use of chemical weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. it's not just his use of chemical weapons on his own people. it's the potential that those chemical weapons could get in the hands of al-qaeda and other terrorist organizations and harm either americans or american interests around the world. the second criterion, i can support a resolution if it involved the use of decisive and overwhelming force without self-imposed limitations and without leaking to our enemies what our tactics are and what it is we would not do and ruining one of the greatest tools in a war which is the element of surprise. i mean why in the world would we tell assad what we are going to do and senator kerry said it would be a small attack. and why would we tell assad what we won't do? in eliminating both the ambiguity of our position and the potential threat of even more serious and overwhelming military force. number three, i would be willing to support and authorization if it was an integral part of a larger coherent syria policy that clearly defined the political end end state. a clear member general petraeus the head of central command covering iraq and afghanistan talking about our policy in those countries. he said the most important question perhaps when you go to war is how does this and? we need a clearly defined political and state that we are trying to achieve by what the president requested and we need an outline of the realistic path to get there. and fourth, i believe that it's important we have a sizable international coalition of nations each of which his country bidding to the war effort. now this is an amazing reversal for the president since the time he was a senator and a presidential candidate. to say we are not going to the united nations and i understand why, because of china and russia and their veto of any resolution out of the security security council. we are not going going to go to nato and indeed the president seemed content or at least resigned to going it alone. and if it's true that this red line is the international community's red line then the international community needs to contribute to the effort to hold assad accountable. the problem is madam president that president obama's requested authorization for the use of military force under these circumstances fails to meet each of those criteria. the -- he has failed to make the case that a short limited military campaign with promote our vital interests and our national security. he has failed to lay out the clear and realistic objectives that could be obtained through the use of that military force and he has failed to offer compelling prescription of how his proposed intervention what it rants america's rotter foreign-policy strategy. indeed how it would advance his own policy of regime change. therefore, can't we were asked to vote on an authorization under these circumstances i would vote no. i am under no illusion and none of us are about the better depravity of bashar al-assad. in the last two and a half years his regime has committed unspeakable acts of rape, torture and murder. the chemical weapons attacks by the way by senator, secretary carries testimony and house of representatives, there were 11 earlier uses of chemical weapons but they were smaller but can you imagine the difficulty of trying to impose a red line when that red line has been crossed 11 times before in the president finally decides to try to enforce it. but there is no question the use of chemical weapons show an appalling disregard for human life and a desire to terrorize the human population. i like others have consistently demanded that russia stop arming assad and stop defending him and blocking u.n. security council resolutions. and aiding and abetting this barbaric atrocities against his own people. i want to see a free democratic syria as much as anyone else but that does not mean that i will vote to support a reckless ill-advised military intervention that could jeopardize our most important national security efforts. there have been a lot of people who have opined on the president's request. some are better informed than others. one that i thought was particularly convincing was retired army general major robert -- that is written the path to war war but you bum evisceration quote violates every principle of war including the element of surprise achieving bass and having a clearly defined and obtainable objective. as i said we know that the latest chemical weapons attack occurred on august the 21st but president obama didn't address the nation for three weeks, until three weeks later. the syrians have of course had weeks to prepare for any impending military intervention in no doubt have moved the chemical weapons into civilian population centers to protect them from any attack and they have undoubtedly moved their other military equipment to other locations. with no element of surprise it makes the potential for success of any military intervention much less. it reveals that there is no real coherent policy in this regard. consider what happened last monday that secretary of state kerry made what he calls an off-the-cuff remark about the possibility of canceling a missile strike if assad turned over all of his chemical weapons. in the same statement he said, he wasn't really sure that would work or he would ever really be serious about it that he did say it. russia of course immediately responded by offering to broker a transfer of serious wmd. now after spending weeks trying to make the case for war, can't president obama has asked that the boat in this chamber be canceled and is apparently treating the russian syrian proposal is a serious diplomatic reg through. i would caution all of us the american people and all of our colleagues to be skeptical for good reason at this lifeline of vladimir putin has now thrown the administration. i'm going to remind the president and our colleagues that russia itself is not in full compliance with the chemical weapons convention. nor is it even in compliance with nuclear arms control obligations that are subject to an international treaty. now the litany of russian offenses is long but i would remind president obama that since he launched the so-called russian -- moscow has vetoed even resolutions on syria sending advanced weaponry to the assad regime stolen elections come to stoked anti-americanism, made threats over a possible deployment of missile defense systems. it has expelled usaid from russia, pulled out of the nunn-lugar cooperative threat reduction program. it has banned u.s. citizen from adopting russian children and offered asylum to nsa leaker edward snowden. in short we have very little reason to believe that moscow is a reliable diplomatic partner. the russians are not part of the problem -- excuse me. they are part of the problem in syria, not part of the solution. let me say that clearly. the russians are part of the problem in the syria out. they are not credibly part of the solution. moreover, to i am coming to -- i am curious to learn how international monitors would adequately confirmed the disposal of chemical weapons by the terrorist sponsoring dictatorship amid a frozen civil civil war. you know well this strike that the president talked about might've been limited in his imagination if you are bashar al-assad this is total war because he realizes the only way he will leave power is in a pine box. he knows that. this is total war. i asked the president yesterday, so what happens if in order to punish aside we intervene militarily and it doesn't work quite in his fight for his survival and survival of the regime he uses them again in an act of desperation? the president said we will hit him again. well clearly what has become a limited strike could quickly spiral out of control into a full-blown engagement in syria. i think the president's own words suggest that. but of course the assad regime is one that refuses to acknowledge the full extent of its chemical arsenal, and this is something we will be hearing more about. it has bioweapons capability. bioweapons capability, actually a much greater threat to american interests than chemical weapons which are more difficult to transport and much harder to handle. this is the same dictatorship that was secretly working on a nuclear weapons program before the israelis took care of it in 2007. madam president we have been told that however unfortunate president obama's red line comment might it then, upholding his threat is about maintaining american credibility and i admit american credibility in matters of war and peace and national security are very very important but america'america' s credibility on the world stage is about more than just presidential rhetoric. it's about defining clear objectives and establishing a coherent strategy for achieving that. in the case of syria president obama has not offered a clear strategy for clearly laid out his objectives. given all that i am not surprised that the american people don't support the president's call for the use of limited military force in syria. those are the calls i got in my office as they went back to texas. i kept hearing people who i would think under almost any other circumstances would say if america's national security interests are at stake, then we are behind the president. we are behind military intervention but they simply saw an incoherent policy and objectives that were not clearly laid out to obtain the result that the president himself said is our policy. well the most recent experience we have had as a country with limited war has been libya and i have heard the president tout that is perhaps an example about how we can get in and get out. in 2011 military operation that deposed small-market off he was supposed to be a showcase example of a limited operation which america lit from behind and still obtained its objectives without putting u.s. boots on the ground. unfortunately the administration had no real plan for what happened after gadhafi fell. we all know it was one year ago today in benghazi when terrorists linked to al qaeda murdered four americans including u.s. ambassador chris stevens. today libya is spiraling into chaos and rapidly becoming a failed state. earlier this month it leading british newspaper ported that libya has almost entirely stopped producing oil as the government loses control over much of the country to militia fighters. all sorts of bad actors including terrorist groups are flooding into the security vacuum and libyans are increasingly at the mercy of militias would act outside the law. the madam president before he concluded i just want to say a few words about america's armed forces and america's role in the world. we all know and are extraordinarily proud of our men and women who wear the uniform in the united states military. no military in history has been more powerful. no military has ever been more courageous. no military has been more selfless and fought and bled and died to protect innocent people in far places across the planet. no military has ever done more to promote peace and prosperity around the world. i have every confidence that if called upon to act our men and women in uniform will do just that. they will perform their duties with the utmost skill, bravery and professionalism. but we should never send them to war tying one hand behind their back and ask them to wage limited war against addict tatar for whom is a said earlier this is total war. this is win or die. military force is like a hammer. you can't thread the needle that president obama wants to thread with a hammer. i just want to conclude by saying that this debate which is important and serious and one that the american people expect us to have, this is not about isolationism verses internationalism. believe me, i am no isolationist. and i fully support the global security bolt that america has played since world war ii, since my dad was a p.o.w.. a world without american military dominance as ronald reagan noted would be a much more dangerous place. i believe peace comes with american strength however it will be harder to maintain our global military dominance if we waste precious resources. our credibility and political capitol are hasty misguided unbelievably small interventions. once again madam president i would be willing to support an authorization for a military strike against syria that met certain basic criteria that i have laid out but i cannot support an operation that is so poorly conceived, so foolishly telegraphed and virtually guaranteed to fail. madam president i yield the floor. >> so the majority reed announced he is pulling a measure from the senate floor to authorize military strikes against syria. senator dianne feinstein who chairs the intelligence committee said that she supports the use of military strikes if diplomatic efforts don't work. >> i rise to speak on the use of chemical weapons by the syrian regime and the decision that is before the united states senate on how to respond to such inhumanity. i also come to the floor with the hope that the use of military force will not prove necessary and that the proposal to place serious chemical weapons program under united nations control will in fact be successful. last night in my view the president delivered a strong straightforward speech that directly outlined the current situation in syria. he asked that a vote of the congress to authorize military force against the assad regime be delayed so that a strategy could he developed with russia and the united nations security council that would eliminate serious deadly chemical weapons program. i believe this is the appropriate path forward. and i appreciate very much the majority leaders holding off on bringing this resolution for a vote so negotiations can continue. here in the senate there are discussions going on about how to amend the resolution passed by the foreign relations committee to provide time for diplomacy. perhaps that won't be necessary. i would also like to take a minute to give russia credit for bringing forward this plan for a negotiated solution to the conflict. i disagree with the senator from texas as the russian ambassador described to me on monday of this week, russia is sincere and wants to see a united nations resolution and supports the geneva to process which would accompany a nicosia that settlement to serious civil civil war. based on my conversation with ambassador kinsley at a believe that russia school is in fact to eliminate these weapons then i would point out that is also our goal. i very much hope that the path to settlement although complicated no doubt but if well-intentioned by all participants can be accomplished and i deeply believe that. and if the u.n. security council can agree on a resolution to put this proposal into practice it with the world's imprimatur on an important plan to safeguard and then to destroy syria's chemical weapons program, the first time in history that anything like this would have been done. russia's responsibility to get this done is enormous and to move with all deliberate speed. i think russia and syria must understand that the way to forestall a united states strike on syria is for there to be a good-faith agreement and process underway to put all of syria's chemical weapons including munitions delivery systems and chemicals themselves under international control for eventual demolition. syria's chemical weapons program is maintained and stored across syria in more than three dozen sites. there are indications that syria currently has chemical weapons loaded and ready for immediate use in bombs, artillery and already loaded on planes and helicopters. all that needs to be inventoried collected and then destroyed as soon as possible if the effort is to succeed. this will be a large and complicated process and the agreement may take some time to put in place. but if it can be done we should take the time to get it done. at the same time, we can't allow there to be so much delay and hesitation as has characterized some arms control efforts in the past. it is clear to me that the united states is moving quickly already. tomorrow secretary kerry and russian foreign minister sergey lavrov will meet in geneva to discuss the specifics of how to move forward. i cannot stress enough the importance of this process. not only is it a possible solution to the specter of future use of chemical weapons by a syrian regime and a way to ensure that extremist elements of the opposition did not gain control of these weapons but it also sets an important precedent for the united nations to act to resolve conflict before there is large military confrontation. but it should be clear by now that the assad regime has repeatedly used chemical weapons so i would like to speak as chairman of the senate select committee on intelligence and lay out some of the unclassified intelligence that shows the regime was indeed behind this largest use of chemical weapons in more than two decades. the unclassified assessment is based on classified intelligence we have seen on the intelligence committee so here is the case. the intelligence community assesses today with high confidence that the syrian regime used chemical weapons, specifically sarin in the damascus suburbs in the early morning of august 21. this assessment is supported by all 16 of our intelligence agencies as well as other countries including the united kingdom and france. they obama administration has publicly laid out its case at an unclassified level and i have carefully reviewed the classified information that supports those findings. first, there is intelligence indicating that the assad regime , specifically its military and the syrian scientific studies and research center which manages its chemical weapons program has used chemical weapons roughly a dozen times over the past year. on june 13, 2 months before this latest attack the administration stated that it had completed a review of all available intelligence and had concluded that the intelligence community had high confidence that the assad regime used chemical weapons including the nerve agent sarin on a small scale against the opposition multiple times. this followed similar assessments by france, the united kingdom israel and turkey earlier this year. in some of these cases the regime may have been testing tes delivery vehicles or various amounts of chemical agents. some were small scale tactical uses against the opposition. perhaps assad was just trying to find out how the world would react to his use of chemical weapons but it has been more than a year since top intelligence officials learned of syrian preparations to use sarin in large quantities. since then at numerous other briefings and hearings the intelligence community has followed this issue closely. on september 11, 2012, that's a year ago while prior tests against our embassy in cairo were underway and the attack on our diplomatic facility in benghazi was imminent i was again briefed on the administration's plans should assad such an attack. so the attack on august 21 in damascus was not a first-time use. rather, it was a major escalation in the regime's willingness to employ weapons long held as an aftermath by almost the entire world population. now let me lay out the intelligence case that the assad regime used chemical weapons on august 21. much of this is described in a four-page august 30 unclassified document entitled the united states government assessment of the syrian government's use of chemical weapons on august 21, 2013. madam president i would like to enter that document into the record along with a map showing the 12 areas near damascus reportedlreportedl y affected by chemical weapons on august 21. >> without objection. >> thank you madam president. we know that three days before the attack of august 21, syrian officials involved in the preparation and use of chemical weapons and associated with the syrian scientific studies and research center were preparing chemical munitions and the damascus suburb. that is according to the intelligence community. the intelligence specifically relates to an area that the regime has used for mixing chemical weapons including sarah and. the syrian chemical weapons personnel were operated when present there from august 18 to two the early morning of august august 21 and finished their work shortly before the attack began. some of the intelligence collected on the preparations for the attack is highly sensitive so the details of the syrian actions cannot be described publicly without jeopardizing our ability to collect this kind of intelligence in the future. but in numerous classified readings over the past two weeks members of congress have been provided with additional detail on the names of the intelligence officials involved and the stream of human signals and geospatial intelligence that indicates that the regime was preparing to use chemical weapons. so, we actually have names. it is from this specificity of this intelligence report that the intelligence community has drawn its high level of confidence that the regime was behind the use of chemical weapons. the strike began in the early morning hours on wednesday, kia august 21. it is beyond doubt that large amounts of artillery and rockets were launched from regime controlled territory in damascus and rains down on the opposition controlled areas of the damascus suburbs. there is satellite imagery actually showing this as well as thousands of first-hand accounts that began showing up on social media sites at around 2:30 a.m.. the barrage continued for five days. while the use of chemical weapons appears to have been deliberate leg suspended by the regime after the first few hours. since the attack physical samples from the area have them analyzed and the intelligence community assesses with high confidence that indyk quote laboratory analysis physiological samples obtained from a number of individuals revealed exposure to sarin" meant. more than 100 videos, 170, were posted on line showing the effects of the chemical weapons on hundreds of men women and most troubling sleeping children who work dead or showing signs of exposure to the nerve agent. at my request the intelligence community compiled a representative sample of 13 videos which have been corroborated and verified. that is the point. these show evidence. the places have been corroborated. they could not be bogus. they are verified. this clearly shows the suffering and death caused by these weapons. the intelligence committee has posted these videos on our web site www.intelligence.senate www.intelligence.senate.gov. i would urge americans to look at this. they are absolutely horrendous and should shock the conscience of all humanity. the videos show the physical manifestations of a nerve agent attack. foaming mouth, constricted pupils which is a signature of sarin. convulsions, gasping for breath, all happening as the nervous system begins to shut down. one video shows a lifeless toddler receiving emergency respiratory assistance. another shows a young boy struggling to breathe gasping while his eyes are swollen shut and covered in mucus. .. the little girl looked just like my daughter at that age. same hair, same pjs, same innocence. except the little syrian girl was lifeless. she died from exposure tokerker a chemical. that the world so you lawed. it shows why we must do something. fire in to densely populated areas, such as cities, they have an indiscriminate effect killing everyone their path, and causing suffering and eventual dote others nearby. we have evidence that the chemical attack was premeditated and planned as part of the regimes heinous tactics against the rebels. also, there is intelligence that the syrian regimes was prepared. additional intelligence firing the attack include communication that confirms their knowledge that chemical weapons were used. was discriminated we intercepted communications involving a senior official intimately familiar with the offenses. we intercepted communications involving a senior official intimately familiar with the assessment who confirmed that chemical weapons were used by the regime on august 21. and what was concerned with the u.n. inspectors obtaining evidence. on the afternoon of august 21, we have intelligence that syrian chemical weapons personnel were directed to cease operations, end quote. this is direct evidence. to some of the intelligence case, i have no doubt that the regime ordered the use of chemical weapons on august 21. i also have no doubt that the use of these weapons by the military and under the guidance of syrian's chemical weapon team, branch 450 operates under the command and control of the regime. under the ultimate leadership. let me move from the intelligence case of syrian -- syria's use of chemical weapon to the question before the senate how to respond. as i said in the beginning, it would be my strong hope that the united states and russia can come to an agreement with other u.n. security council members on a way to resolve this situation peacefully. not only is a peaceful solution preferred to the use of force. if syria's chemical weapons program including all of its precursor chemicals, equipment, delivery system, loaded bonds can be put in the custody of the united nations for its eventual destruction, that would provide a much stronger protection against future use. and it sets an important precedent for the future, for the world to settle any other dispute of this nature. i have urged the obama administration to take all possible steps to make this proposal work. and i appreciate the president's decision to ask us to delay any use of force resolution so diplomacy can be given a chance; however, the senate may still face a resolution to authorize the use of force in the event that all diplomatic options fail. and many of my colleagues have noted that the threat of force has helped push forward the diplomatic option. the -- is my time up? oh. the assad regime has clearly used chemical weapons to gas its own people. and i believe that it will most likely do so again unless it is confronted with a major condemnation by the world. that now is beginning to happen. the regime has escaladed its path from small-scale ones that killed six or eight to ten people to an attack that killed more than 1,000. we know that the regime has munitions that could kill tens of thousands of syrians in aleep pow. if the world doesn't respond know, we bear the responsibility of a larger tragedy happening later. it's not only syria looking at preparing and using weapons long banned by the international community. iran is watching intently at what the world will do to syria, and will apply the lessons it learns to the current development of nuclear weapons. north korea, which has refrained from using the nuclear weapons it has or the chemical weapon stockpile that actually dollars of of that syria may well use the assad example to fire on south career. and remember, we have 28,000 plus troops right over the border -- within a half hour. and more general countries around the world will see the united states as a paper tiger. when it promises to take action but fails to do so. former secretary of defense, bob gates, whom i have great respect for, who worked in both the bush and the obama administrations, said exactly that when he came out in support of the resolution for use of force against syria. he said this, it's a quote, "i strongly urge the congress, democrats and republicans, to approve the president's request for authorization to use force. everyone's view on the current united states policy toward syria, failure by congress to approve the request would, in my view, have profoundly negative and dangerous consequences for the united states. not just in the middle east, but around the world both now and in the future." i strongly believe that the major powers in the world have a responsibility to take action. when a country not only slaughters 100,000 of its own citizens, put millions in to homeless status, millions in to refugee status, but especially when it's willing to use weapons against them that have been banned as an affront to all humanity because they are outlawed bay treaty joined by 189 nations, representing 98% of the world's population. if the united nations does not act in such cases, i believe it becomes irrelevant. if nothing is done to stop this use of chemical weapons, they will be used in future conflicts. i'm really sure of that. american service men in world war i were gassed with their ally partners. in their briefings over the past week, the military has made clear to us that if we allow the prohibition on chemical weapons use to erode, our men and women in uniform may, again, suffer from these weapons on the battle field. chemical weapons are not like conventional weapons. consider for a moment how fair, for example, can kill indiscriminately. the closer you are to the release, which is -- let's say to a border artillery shell, the more certain you are to death. it's colorless, it is odorless. it spreads over a wide geographic area. it can shift from one neighborhood to another if the wind shifts. the gas clings to the ground, you cannot escape it. during world war i, chemical weapons, primarily chore rein, and mustards gas. i live by where mustard gas canisters were at fort leach, now american university, and roll down the hill in to a sub division where they have been cropping up and necessitating a major army corps. of engineers removal of this gas as well as other things. say that were used by both sides of the war. they caused an estimated 100,000 fatalities, and 1.3 million injuries. 1,462 american soldiers who were killed, and 72,870 were injured by chemical weapons, which represented one-third of all u.s. casualties during world war i. since world war i, not a single united states soldier has died in battle from exposure to chemical weapons. however with, according to the united nations' office for disarmament affairs, since world war i, chemical weapons have caused more than 1 million casualties globally. during world war ii, nazi germany used carbon dioxide and pesticide such as sky con b in gas chambers during the holocaust killing an estimated 3 million people that way. madam president, i would like to enter a record that details a history -- >> without objection. >> thank you very much. these past uses of chemical weapons make clear they should never be used again. and the entire world must stand up and take action if they are. in syria, the use of chemical weapons on civilians, on men, women, and children gassed to death was intention during the middle of the night while they're sleeping is a travesty that reflects the hatred and increasing desperation of the assad regime. i also believe there are other chemical weapons that have been mixed and loaded to delivery vehicles with the foacial kill thousands more. think about it, if he can slaughter 100,000 of his own people without a second thought what is he going do if we do nothing? what is he going do if the united nations does nothing? what is he going do if the effort to reach consensus on the syrian -- on the security council doesn't work? and we don't anything? he will use them again. they are ready to go. the question comes, that have, we are yes, a paper tiger. that's going ton the conclusion in iran and north korea. the answer is that we cannot turn our back. this use is prohint -- prohibited by international law and condemned by the world action. albert einstein said in a well-known quote, the world is dangerous place to live. not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." end quote. for more than ninety years, our country has played the leading role in the world. we are the nation that others look upon to stop repressive dictators and massive violations of human rights. we cannot i hope military force will not be needed we allow time for the united nations and the parties on the security council to put an agreement together. and that the threat of force will be sufficient to change president assad's behavior. if these diplomatic efforts at the u.n. fail, i know we're going to be back here on the floor to consider the authorization for use of military force. but i sincerely hope it won't be necessary. when the ambassador from russia described the intention to me on monday, it was sincere. so the ball is really in russia's court. russia is the leader in this. i trust that it is sincere. i trust that russia and the united states will come together and bring the other parties together, and that it will be possible for the united nations to act so the united won't have to. i thank the chair. i yield the floor. a couple of live events to tell you about on c-span 3. the intelligence and national security alliance hold a conference tomorrow. we'll hear from house intelligence democratic national committee mike rogers, and ranking member. later former national intelligence director john -- live coverage starting at 8:00 a.m. eastern. and could not afford out of pocket payments. the several republicans came to the floor commemorate the 9/11 attacks and the attacks last year in benghazi that killed four american. we'll hear from representatives. claim responsibility for theth murder of our ambassador and three others. it's no coincidence that thesett two attacks occurred nearly at the same time and both occurred on september 11th.ed on in the past the united states has always held and went after those responsible for this type of murder. in 1998 when the ken began were embassy was attacked and americans were killed. we responded. of course, -- we responded after the firsthe s world trade center poeming.ain d we respond and appropriatein an manner as we did on september 11th. weem must respond today and must respond tomorrow.we must i am encouraged that the president will soon address the nation on what our response wile will be. we must hold those accountable personally and hold them personally accountable because we must let people understand they need to leave us alone. that is what the message needs o be, we must have justice against these terrorist attacks against individuals because, mr. speaker, justice is what we do. mr. speaker, that was t that was the speech on gave on this house floor one year ago. today. september 12th of 2012. is when it was given. but it has been one year since the attack in benghazi, libya. and we still have no answers. today, as we remember those who were murdered twelve years ago, on september 11th 2001, in new york in pennsylvania, the pentagon, young and old from countries all over the world, we should also remember those murdered one year ago in benghazi, libya. the benghazi killers run free today. it's ironic the greatest power that has ever existed with our vast resources of military litar intelligence, the n.s.a. intelligence, the f.b.i. that we can't capture some killers who killed americans in benghazi libya. when the media can talk to them and we can't find them, capture them and bring them back to justice. it's been a year. what does that tell the families? what does it tell americans when we haven't been able to accomplish this capture of terrorists? we know alsha rei ya was involved. i -- on the house floor so today i filed the we don't know what the current u.s. policy is about americans killed overseas. all we get is a lot of words. even the white house, the press secretary said, well, but benghazi was a long time ago. it seems like we get more words in something that is actually done in the benghazi episode. at least continue to test us because they no longer fear us, mr. speaker, the world no longer knows where america stands when we are attacked at home or abroad. not our enemies, not our allies, and not the american citizens. i wish he was just concerned as americans being murdered by terrorists in benghazi, libya. the administration needs to go after these terrorists by any means necessary and bring them to justice. restore our credibility with the american people because just sis what we do in the country. >> the chair recognizes mr. brooks for five minutes. >> mr. speaker, president obama without consulting continue or the american people intervened in libya civil war resulting in the murder of four americans including our ambassador in benghazi while creating yet a lot recruiting ground. repeating the libya mistake in september 2012, the obama administration declared that america will intervene in syria's civil war and work, quote, to support a syrian opposition to hasten the day when assad falls. end quote. shortly trft i -- national security adviser susan rice and many others. and i have listened to president obama. the argument for attacking syria are on unpersuasive. and substantially different circumstance consistent with my 2012 opposition to intervening in syria's civil war, i will vote against attacking syria if and when congress has that vote. there's not the required pub. lick. americans oppose attacking syria by a two to run ratio. alabama's fifth congressional district 1,272 citizens have contacted my office about syria. 1,267 citizens oppose attacking syria. a scant five citizens out of 1,272, five, support attacking syria. the president, last night, told america there is no evidence that syria is a security throat america that supports preeveryonive military action. yet an attacks makes syria and its allies a security threat. president obama aired when he made syria's chemical weapon a right lane. but president -- does not justify war. the syrian war -- every dollar spent attacking syria worsens america's deficit and debt. weakens our economy, undermines our ability to pay for national security, and increases the risk of even more defense layoffs and furloughs. an american attack on syria aids and abets syrian rebels. they have beheaded christians solely because they are christians. one rebel leader killed a syrian soldier, cut open the chest, took out the heart, ate it, and bragged about it. another rebel leader personally excuted helpless prisoner of war. i question the wisdom of helping rebels who may be even more evil an barbaric than syria president assad. that's what president obama proposes. the white house's syria strategy is conflicting. the president claims he doesn't seek regime change. yet in 2012 his administration said the exact opposite. president obama claims attacks will deter syria's chemical weapons use, yet his secretary of state insists a tax will be, quote, unbelievely small. i have reservation about the administration's ability to handle a delicate foreign policy matter. this administration bungled its fast and furious gun running program killing hundreds of innocent mexicos and american border patrol agent. this administration botched in benghazi and threw in a cover up for good measure. they illegally use the internal revenue service to attack political adversaries. the list goes on and on. president obama ult elevated cheerleaders but not players on the field whose military will help attack syria. america cannot perpetually be the world's only policeman. in sum, i believe it makes matters worse not better absent a major international effort to pun of chemical weapons. i cannot and will not in good conscious vote on the house floor on the foreign affairs or armed service committee to attack syria. mr. speaker, i yield the remainder of my time. >> chair recognizes the gentleman from california, mr. mcclintock for five minutes. -- we have suffered with our war on syria. there are two good things that the president has done. they need to be noted. last night he stepped back from an international crisis that could have had catastrophic consequences by deferring to the russian diplomatic, thank god. last week he stepped back from a constitutional crisis by deferring to congress the decision over whether to go to war as the constitution requires. i've been deeply troubled by suggestions from any otherwise responsible officials and commentators from both parties that the president has independent authority as commander in chief to order an attack on other countries when it deems it necessary. it cuts right to the core of our constitution's design, and evinces an alarming deor it ration of the popular understanding of the separation-of-powers that keeps us free. there is nothing more clear in the american constitution, than that congress has the sole authority to decide the question of war or peace. only after congress has knead decision, does the president as commander in chief have the authority execute that. for centuries european monarch plunged their nation to bloody and debilitating war on whim. and the constitution's programmers wanted to protect the american republican from that fate. they thawnd a president, for example, might someday paint himself in to reterritorial corner and feel compelled to face exercising force. that's precisely why they entrusted that fateful decision to the congress. james madison said single most important feature was the provision that gave the congress and not the president the trust and the temptation would be too great for my one man. war is in fact the true -- in war physical forces will be created and the executive will which is to district and war the public treasure to be unlocked and the executive hand to disperse these. those to conduct a war in the nature of things be proper or safe judges of whether a war ought to be commenced, continued . alexander hampton wrote one of the important differences between the british king and the american president. the king can plunge his nation to war on his command. but that the american president has no such authority. it gave careful consideration to the clause that congress shall declare war. they chose that word carefully to make clear that the only independent war-making power of the president is to repel an attack. the war powers act makes it explicit, that absent congressional authority, the president can only order our armed forces in to hostility in response to, quote, a national emergency created by an attack upon the united states, its armed forces, or territories or possessions, unquote. anything else requires prior congressional action. you know, u.n. participation act by which we entered the u.n. requires congress act before american forces are ordered in to hostility in u.n. action. the war power act specifically forbids inferring from any treaty the power to order american forces in to hostility without specific congressional authorization. mom sow -- now some of you bypassed this. in kosovo or most recently libya to violate it now. that's precisely the point. if any violation of this fundamental provision can be used for justification for outwright nullification. any such violation must be vigorously resisted unless we lose for all time the most important check on the most momentous decision a government can make to go to war. war is direction on a hassive scale. to unlawfully initiate a thing is the highest crime a public -- of the power of impeachment were not intended as an act as that. i cannot imagine what it would be for. the president is absolutely right not cross that line. i yield back. economic house members were briefed by obama administration officials about syria's chemical weapon. >> you are still introducing your legislation in moving forward with it? >> no, no, no. what we're doing is putting forward a revised resolution that could be taken up in the house and in the congress if and when the president determines that it would be necessary to proceed with that kind of legislation. we agree we should take applause. the president, as you know, is going to be vigorously pursuing the proposal, the return -- russians put forward based on a lot of conversation taken place previously. the russians went from vetoing press releases at the united nations to mentioned chemical weapons for the last three years. so their turn about is directly related to the president's incredible use of force. the president also made clear at the end of the day that threat may be required in order complete the negotiations with russians. to make sure they are serious in following through. our revised resolution would be something on standby when the president decided he needed to have that additional pressure behind him. to make sure the imoashes -- negotiations are successful. >> reporter: [inaudible] give you more trust in the russians? >> i don't want to talk about the classified briefing. i think, look, the russians have a number of interests in seriously pursuing their own proposal. one, they also would like to see the chemical weapons put on the international control because of the risk they could fall in to the hands of al-qaeda extremists and other elements. the president made clear of any military action is not about regime change with assad. but with respect to deterring use of chemical weapons. there are a lot of reasons these should be serious and pursue fire department resolution we put forward, again, on hold has a number of elements. the main element says that thirty days after pass age the president would be authorized to use very limited -- i'll get back to that in a minute. if the president certifies, number one, that assad has not signed the chemical weapon convention. i point out he's saying he will sign it. when just 48 hours ago, he denied in his interview with charlie rose he even had them. solet just be clear about the impact that the threat of force had. so the resolution said after thirty days to take limited action if number one, assad has not signed chemical weapons convention. or number two, the president certifies there's no credible plan to put assad's chemical weapons stockpile under their viable international control. if those are made, the president could take very limited action congressman connelly and i had an earlier version that specified the parameter of the action. it was considerably narrower than the resolution the president first presented to congress. and also narrower than the one that passed the senate foreign relations committee. including obviously thing like no boots on the ground but more restrictive to make sure we are focused on the purpose. because some others -- and some others have a broader purpose. not the president. but there are others that would like to see a much larger u.s. military intervention in syria and in their civil war. that would be, in my mind, a huge mistake. [inaudible] try to get the russians to focus on the sir -- the more recent discussions with putin. it's something they have been raising the russians. the farnlgt is -- fact is the russians hadn't gotten serious about the issue until now. i should also say that the revised resolution would also the purpose of the resolution has the president's stated deterring assad from using poison gas in violation of almost 90-year rule. >> reporter: given the record of the u.n., are you comfortable with the amount -- [inaudible] it's important yo test the, you know, russian proposal. i think determine pretty quickly whether they are serious about going forward or simply trying to delay the president's proposed limited military action . >> i think question certainly test the seriousness of that. getting a full-fledged man that takes longer. i think you can judge people's attention relatively -- we just had, gosh, it was a packed room, and the briefing room where we had a classified briefing, once again, i have to make a point there is -- while they may be supportive of the president. efforts and so what is very clear to me is that members of congress are trying to be a -- [inaudible] and they can't which is going on. i have to thank the administration, because they have reached out and made their top level representative diplomatic available to answer questions both in a classified and not classified setting. whatever we asked. and so it continues. what we try to do is right is the actual visual images of the people who are dying from the use of these chemical gases. that speaks for itself. death is ugly when it's in war, period. the world has learned to sort of permit certain type of conventions within war to kill in certain ways to give license to kill. killing is never attractive. when you see little kids on the floor, unable to control their physical activity, foaming at the mouth, it just sends chills down your back. this is not, even in war, what we expect, and so what the president, i believe, is trying to convey to the american people is he's reluctant warrior as anyone else. sometimes when you exhausted all the other avenues diplomatically, economically, you have to decide. and the president is the decider, as they say. i believe he has gone through every effort to find a way short of military force. and certainly he's made it clear short of any war. we don't need a declaration of war in congress. we need to support the president in what he's calling for which is a limited and narrow military strike to deter the use of chemical weapons and degrade assad's capability of using those. which, by the way, assad admits he has. which before he didn't admit. in this briefing within i think once again we have to drill down and the administration gave answers to questions that members are posing publicly but obviously privately in classified setting. i think it's another chance for members to best answer -- understand what is before us. so we will decide to join the president or not. i hope people will see the president doesn't take them lightly. it might have failed if they brought it up. >> any time you could resolve the issue of the use of chemical weapons, and not use further life. i think it's great. i think the president tried to express that as well. but after years of trying to diplomacy after years of using sanctions and economic tools to try to get the syrian government to change, and try to get the russians from blocking progress to all the sudden see the last moment diplomatic effort by the russians. there's reason to have pause to be skeptical, but as the president said, we're going probe it as deep as we can to make sure it's real. if it's real, and if it gets us what we were trying to get otherwise, i think everyone would be very happy. i know, the president will make every effort to try to give not just syria a chance. but give the planet a chance to resolve this without further military force. so we're looking forward to further information. we hope there is some progress and good work coming out of the u.n. we know it has to be something that is concrete, that is real, that is credible. you can't statements. so-- there's got to be consequence to whatever diplomatically the russians and syrians say they are willing to do. is a step that will help us deter the use of chemical weapons. if the russians are serious and sincere. not only deter but actually dismantle the chemical weapons. that would be good. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> on wednesday's white house briefing, press secretary staid will take some time toward diplomatic channel in going a plan for syria's chemical weapons inspect is under five minutes. it will take some time. there are technical aspects involved in developing a plan for securing syria's chemical weapons and verifying their location and putting them under an international control. secretary kerry is leaving for geneva, as you know, at the president's request to meet with his russian counter part. where they will discuss this matter, and each side, the american and russian side will bring technical experts. there's a team, a delegation to evaluate the proposal and to assess paths forward. i expect it will take some time. but we also are not interested in delaying tactics, and we believe it's very important to hold assad accountable. what is, i think, very clarifying about this the president made clear all along, the potential use of limited military strikes by the united states was in response to assad's use of chemical weapons. it was not, as he said, an effort to involve the united states militarily, directly in the syrian civil war. it was not designed to precipitate regime change. it was around the question of chemical weapons and if assad's chemical weapons stockpile can be secured and removed from his possession absent military force, that would be a good thing. [inaudible] >> reporter: specific gate when you want something to be done by or seventy progress. in talking to experts about the process it's something that can take months and years to carry out. don't you need to give some sort of firmer time table for when you need to see progress. otherwise it could drag out and become a delayed tactic. >>let be clear. the initiative has been presented only in recent days. we are deploying the secretary of state to meet with his russian counterpart and the discussions will take place. separate that, there are discussions in new york if the united nations around framing a united nations security council resolution on this issue, and on the removal from assad's control of his chemical weapons stockpile. let be clear -- i don't want to suggest, because it's essential not the case that we are interested in delay or avoidance of accountability here. and, you know, there are steps in this process if it to were succeed, that is obviously a demonstration in sincerity in a verifiable way to secure the weapon and remove them from assad's control. ultimately to destroy them. and the fulfillment of that process will take some time. the implementation of it, and, you know, would -- could begin obviously before the completion. and we're going work with the russian, it would be irresponsible not to explore this potential diplomatic resolution of the very serious matter. >> you can watch our event and video library at c-span.org. former about cybersecurity threat and preparedness. we learned after 9/11 and after katrina, and keep learning after all the incidents that information and coordination sharing could have been better. some people refer to a digital cyber pearl harbor. at least in that instance as historians say we didn't have notice of the emerging threat. i think sister a cyber pearl harbor. we have noticed. it's not an emerging threat. it's a constant and every-changing dynamic threat. i'm -- end up being a cyber katrina, we had notice, but weren't as prepared as we should have been and fat alan got there and cut through the problems and began to address the situation he confronted on the ground. up next on c-span 2. on the next "washington journal." a. new york city ceremony commemorating the 9/11 terror attacks. we'll hear family members of the victims read the names of those killed twelve years ago. new york governor andrew cuomo, new jersey governor, new york mayor and rudy giuliani attended this four-hour event at memorial plaza. [inaudible conversations] [drum beat] [drum beat] [drum beat] ♪ o say can you see by the dawn's early light ♪ ♪ what so proudly we hail ♪ at the twilight's last gleaming ♪ whose broad stripes and bright stars ♪ ♪ through the pearl were so gallantly streaming ♪ and the rocket's red glare ♪ ♪ the bomb's bursting in air ♪ ♪ gave proof through the night ♪ that our flag was still there ♪ 0 say does that spar spangled banner yet wave ♪ ♪ o' er the land of the free ♪ ♪ and the home of the brave ♪ ♪ of the free ♪ [applause] [bells ringing] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ .. [names being read] >> we miss all of you. we are twins forever. [names being read] [names being read] singled loco. ♪ singled >> [names being read] >> singled loco ♪ [names being read] singled ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ uncle teddy, even though i'd never met you, i know that you are looking down on me today. i love you and say hi to pop up for me. god bless america. ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ [names being read] ♪ rick: [names being read] ♪ ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ [names being read] >> life has not been the same without you. ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ [names being read] >> you are forever in our hearts >> ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ [names being read] >> you are a humble humanitarian concern daily with the goodness of people. we feel your presence in the lives of our two children. ♪ ♪ as my husband, you brought out every joyous day in our short 20 are together. please rest in peace, my love. >> and my niece who is always in my heart until we meet again. ♪ ♪ [names being read] >> ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ >> we miss you every day, to my brother. >> and my unforgettable cousin. we love and miss you and we know that you are looking down on us. ♪ ♪ [bell chiming] ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ >> my uncle and godfather, we remember you. >> in my nephew and godson, we miss you and think of you every day. god bless you. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ ♪ [names being read] >> for my brother, your legacy will be forever remembered and you will never be forgotten ♪ ♪ >> it is said that in time that pain will go away, and i'm just waiting for the pain to go away. i will always remember you ♪ ♪ god love you and take good care of you, because i know that he is holding it. in the palm of his hand near his heart. ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ [names being read] >> to my beloved niece, marlene, your life will always be that of a hero and you will always be in our heart and soul. [speaking in native tongue] ♪ ♪ we love you, marlene. >> into my nephew and godson, from brooklyn. joe, we honor you today and all of those lost on september 11. today i bring messages of love ♪ ♪ everyone sends their love and ask that you continue to watch over us all. especially your wife, naomi, and your daughters amanda and isabel. god bless america until we meet again. ♪ ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ at each year goes by, we miss you more. >> and my mother, the children remind us of you. we love you with the depth of our souls and we miss you. always. at ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ >> we miss you. thank you for the memories and for supporting us. melissa is 16 years old now and she acts like you. please keep watching the rest and we love you. we love you, daddy. >> to my father-in-law. ♪ ♪ i never met you, but i know that you would be wonderful. your humor, your life, your memory continues to be with us. ♪ ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ >> you are in our heart each day. >> ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ >> we love and miss you very much. ♪ ♪ [names being read] >> i love you and miss you and think about you every single day. we know that you are looking down on us. ♪ ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ ♪ [names being read] >> to my honey, folate and love. every day we look up to you. thank you for the millions spending this moment with us. >> dennis, we miss you every day. ♪ ♪ [names being read] >> we know you are always there. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ [names being read] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [names being read] >> bastions of your presence is everywhere around us. we have not forgotten. rest in god's peace, and may ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ rick: [names being read] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [names being read] ♪ .. i miss you, my love. ♪ [names being read] juan pablo. benjamin keith clark. >> eugene clark. >> gregory allen clark. >> many leroy clark. >> sara m clark. >> thomas r. clark. >> christopher robin clark. >> donna marie clark. >> michael j. clark. >> rachel emma clark. >> kevin francis cleary. >> james be clear. >> jeffrey w. cloud. >> susan murray kline. >> steven copley. >> jeffrey allen. >> patricia a. codey. >> danielle michael coffey. >> and my brother-in-law, thomas a., we love you, tommy. we all miss you so much. >> and my god sister bella j. we love you and we miss you very much. ] [names being read] >> scott thomas coleman. >> teray coleman. >> john michael colins. >> michael l. colins. >> jeffrey duane coleman. >> joseph kent. >> linda m. coleman. >> patricia. >> my father, my heroic father, clint david, sr. i'll don't northern you from texas. >> seoul e. and my brother, william thomas dean. billy, we miss you every day. we love you always. >> ronald edward. [names being read] john e. connelly, jr. >> james lee connelly. >> jonathan m. connor. >> kevin patrick conners. >> kevin f. convoy. >> brenda e conway. >> dennis michael cook. >> helen d. cook. >> jeffrey w. koontz. >> julienne d. cooper. >> owe receive john. [names being read] >> joseph albert. >> john jay corker iii. >> alessandro. >> robert joseph. >> and my breast -- best friend thomas swift. you are missed by everybody you touched in your life. >> a special person told me you are not god you -- [inaudible] >> my beautiful sister, we miss you every day. [speaking in foreign language] >> ruin [names being read] my uncle dennis p. gearman. i love and miss you very much. >> my uncle captain danielle. we love you and miss you very much. >> robert james crawford. >> terra kathleen. >> joe ann mary. [names being read] [names being read] [names being read] >> my brother, my hero, timothy patrick. on behalf of your wife, your kids, our dad, your family and friends, we miss you every day. >> and my uncle, kevin james murphy. we love you, we miss you, and we know how proud you would be of your children and the people they have become. [names being read] [names being read] ♪ [names being read] [names being read] ♪ [names being read] [names being read] i was reminded steam would come of your ears and we could call you rhino. we love you, rhino. god bless you. >> and my son, christopher michael duffy. chris, we miss you, we love you. and you have two new nephews to carry-on your name. jack christopher duffy, and christopher. [names being read] [names being read] >> my baby brother, when your name was taken. i miss your handsome, smiling face, and the way you laughed as you flipped burgers at your barbecue. we'll never make sen -- sense of our loss. but we give with the senselessness. and we must bring purpose to our lives and your memory. we all miss you, and i love you so very much. it's my honor to be your sister and for having you as jason's god father and mark's uncle rest over us and rest in peace. you'll always be in my heart. >> and my son. paul, i can still hear you funny contagious laugh and see your handsome smiling space. it's twelve years. and that is true. but time can never take away our memories of you. yesterday you were 28. today you are 40. in our hearts, you are forever young. dad and i are proud to be your parents. we'll love you until the the end of time. let freedom ring and god bless america. [names being read] [names being read] [names being read] and my wonderful mother. mommy, i feel you here with me today. we love you and miss you so much. thank you for being there for your grandchildren and watching over us. we love you. >> and my grandfather, firefighter robert james crawford. grandpa, not a day goes by where i don't think of you. you are constantly on my mind. i would give anything to have my best friend back here be me. i miss you more and more every day. thank you for being the most important american in my life. my hero, my angel, my pa. i love you to the moon and back. for always and forever. [names being read] [names being read] [names being read] we love you we miss you. your mother misses you. your family, your brothers miss you. your sisters miss you. i also want to remember my -- [inaudible] who passed away last year because of the tragedy. she suffered for 11 years. we honor you, christopher and julia. we thank god for you, we love you, but god loves you best. god bless the 9/11 families, and may god bless the united states of america. >> and my father, william john irwin. we miss you and i'll remember you. i'll never stop thinking about you. i love you and will forever always miss you. [bells ringing] [moment of silence] [names being read] [names being read] [names being read] and my husband, our cousin franky, forever in our hearts. forever missed. 343 gone, but never forgotten. i never got a chance to thank my husband for the two beautiful, brave sons that he gave me. i know, he's up there so proud and love and with love. your legacy lives on. ♪ >> twelve years ago today, we lost so much. my family lost my cousin, and a man who would be so proud of his two boys following in his footsteps. a living legacy fdny. my dear brother, firefighter. i miss you and wish you were here with us today. not just in our hearts but right here. god bless you, and god bless america. [names being read] [names being read] [names being read] [names being read] and our son, scott jordon, who we have honored for the last twelve years with the children's foundation and campaign to all -- [inaudible] [cheering and applause] >> and my father, christopher edward. we love you and are working every day to make this world a place you dreamed it would could be. ♪ [names being read] [names being read] my husband, the love of my life. ronald paul, our three children, rony, robert, and lauren, along with our three grandchildren are helping hold the door just like you did on that horrific day. god bless america. and god bless the survivors of 9/11. >> my uncle. you're forever in my thoughts. there's not a day that goes by that i don't miss you. you'll always be my monkey. i love you. ♪ [names being read] [names being read] ♪ [names being read] [names being read] ♪ >> my father, paul m. daddy, i miss you so much. you're forever in my heart. ♪ and i know you're watching over us today. i love you, daddy. ♪ >> and my brother, john. you're with us always, john, in your hearts and our thoughts. take care of mom and dad. and guide our family from heaven. ♪ [names being read] [names being read] [speaking in spanish] i love you. family and friends, we miss you until we meet again. >> my father, thomas jay fisher. you'll forever be in all of our hearts. i love you and will always be daddy's little girl. ♪ [names being read] [names being read] ..

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we're also learning tonight that while protesters have been calling for justice for freddie gray the black man who died of spinal injury in police custody, prosecutors don't have a slam dunk case. could the city erupt again if no charges are announced? no charges being announced is a real possibility, apparently. we have a breaking development ahead. and the president doubling down on his use of the word "thug" to describe rioters. last night on "outfront" that word prompted this angry response from baltimore councilman karl stokes. >> come on. so calling them thugs? just call them nig -- we don't have to call them by names such as that we don't have to do that. >> much more with karl stokes on this program tonight. cnn has reporters in baltimore and across the nation. we begin with brian todd in baltimore in the middle of the protests there. brian, the protests are larger than what we have seen recently. what are you seeing? >> reporter: indeed much larger erin and more structured. this protest march mostly college students hundreds of them several hundred marching from penn station in baltimore to city hall. they tell us they're going to march back toward penn station. who knows how long this protest will go. i'm with one of the marchers now, rashaun smith, a sophomore, what has drawn you out here? >> i'm out here to support black lives and -- [ crowd noise ] i don't want to have to walk outside and -- [ crowd noise ] black lives matter. all black lives matter. >> rashaun, thank you very much for talking to us good luck with the march. erin that's one of the sentiments that's strong with people out here. another one of is a lot of these folks feel the recent violence in baltimore that is drawn attention away from the face of freddy x-ray and other prominent faces in the news police treatment of young black then. they want to bring focus back to the streets of baltimore. check it out. this crowd, very dynamic, they're going to march uphill back toward penn station. as i said they're a little bit more organized than they have been. they've got a truck with a flatbed and they've called various speakers up to the front there to speak at the flatbed. they stopped for a long time at city hall to do that. now they're back on the move erin. we don't know where this is going the rest of the evening but it was very dynamic march. >> thank you very much brian todd. you could hear the dynamism in that march. in new york city crowds are growing calling for cancerous advertise for freddie gray. our alex field is live in downtown manhattan. that is the picture you are looking at right now. this is not baltimore, the protest, this is new york city. alexander, what are you seeing? >> reporter: i'm looking into the crowd seeing a homemade sign "we will not forget michael brown, eric garner walter scott, freddie gray." there are so many similar signs. hundreds have come out here to gather. i was told by one of the organizers earlier tonight this was going to be a place where people could come to express both their outrage and sadness. what i want to point out is that this is what it looks like when you have a peaceful protest. these are people who have been joined together by their passion, they are expressing it in a very passionate way. the visual here is symbolic. it certainly garners attention. the expression here is nothing if not respectful. these are people who have come to listen to one another and they hope to be heard. these are people of all ages all races. this is very reflective of what we saw over the winter when so many people rallied after the death of eric garner. this was organized on social media. people had time to get down here. they were prepared to participate. erin that means nypd was also prepared for this. we saw them out here even before the crowds assembled. they set up l warning to the crowd. they had a recorded message warning people that if they were walking in the streets or obstructing the sidewalk that they could be arrested for disorderly conduct. they even passed out these fliers. it seems to excite or upset the crowd initially, a lot of people were chanting and starting to scream "our streets." the police have turned off the recording, we have not seen any kind of physical confrontation between the demonstrators and the police and we have not seen any kind of verbal confrontation either. the police are standing back right now and they are allowing people their right to express themselves out here in this park tonight. >> certainly a very diverse crowd there where alex is in manhattan. tonight officials telling cnn the case against the six baltimore officers involved in freddie gray's arrest is anything but a clear-cut case. that is obviously a crucial development as you see protests in multiple cities. baltimore city hall evan perez, you're reporting on this. you've been hearing charges are far from a sure thing at this time. >> reporter: that's right, erin. we've seen this video. a few seconds of video that we've seen. that's certainly what has brought a lot of these people into the streets is the idea that they believe this is a clear-cut case that these officers should be arrested that these officers should space charges. i'm told by people close to the investigation that that is far from being a done deal that there is still a lot of work to do and we may be looking at weeks, months while they wait for a lot of key pieces of the case to be brought together. the key thing here that they're waiting for is the medical examiner's report which is still in the works. it still may be weeks away. they're going to look for experts in addition to their own work before they present a report to the state attorney's office. >> medical examiner's report as you're saying could be weeks away. that's at the center of all of this. what was the injury to his spine? how was it sustained? in the van, before the van, before the incident? all of these questions. if there are no charges what is the city doing? you say weeks, months. that is not a good proposition when you look at the crowds on the streets right now. >> reporter: that's right. and you know what's really unique about this baltimore case in particular is that in previous incidents we had the rodney king riots which happened after there was a verdict from the court. you know this case people are already calling for -- they already think they know what the answer is. and what the government is trying to do is lower those expectations because as we just discussed, they still might not be the charges -- not the type of charges that people on the streets here are looking for, erin. >> all right, evan, thank you very much. significant development. "outfront," dee watkins, long-time baltimore resident and professor who wrote about his experiences growing up with the baltimore police in the "new york times" op ed this morning. daniel bangino, former nypd officer and secret service agent. dee, you know baltimore so well. the people of baltimore, you heard evan's reporting there may not be charges and they may not have a decision here for a long time. are the people of baltimore prepared for this? what happens if there is no decision for months? and if there are no charges against these officers? -- >> it's hard to say. right now baltimore doesn't look like baltimore. we're living in a mill tarized state right now. even walking over here i passed all types of humvees and dudes with assault rifles and guns that plug into vans and things like that. so it's hard to say. let's just hope that the right thing happens so we don't have to worry about that. >> i guess the question is what is the right thing? in your op ed you wrote, when it comes to baltimore police department i'm quoting your op ed the only option is to rise up and force mayor rawlings-blake to make what should be an easy choice stop protecting the livelihoods of the cops who killed freddie gray or watch baltimore burn to the ground." what are you trying to say there? it sounds like you're saying if there are no charges there's going to be violence and that's the right thing? >> you know i'm not saying -- i would never say violence is the right thing. but i am saying that i sympathize with the frustration of a lot of young people who took to the streets earlier this week. rise up can mean a number of things. i feel right now, people are rising up right now in front of city hall. there's beautiful protest going on right now. diverse. i see black faces and white faces and latinos and asians. it looks like a blackout peace concert. again, the same message, a bunch of different people from a bunch of different walks of life who all want justice. i think this is definitely something that i wish more mainstream media were out here reporting. this is a beautiful peaceful protest. you know hopefully we can keep the peace and hopefully justice is served for freddie gray. >> daniel what do baltimore police do? if there are no charges, at this point how does baltimore and the police department convince a skeptical community, frankly, and skeptical people around the country who are now protesting in other cities new york and boston that this is fair? how could they possibly make people think it's fair? >> erin it's going to be tough. and frankly, due to people like dee, who i read his op ed and his op ed seems to set up a hobson's choice. the choice being, either street justice for the cops before we even have the information, or burn baltimore to the ground. that was in the piece. why he would write that, i don't understand. and i bring it up because we saw this happen in ferguson. in ferguson where the hands up don't shoot narrative made it out into the mainstream and then we found out later that that's not, in fact what happened. i mean eric holder said it himself, our attorney general. so they have to manage expectations. but sadly, dee's not helping by already jumping to a conclusion about what happened. if these cops are guilty, if there's guilty they should absolutely be punished like anyone else who did this. but dee knows nothing about what happened. and it is horribly irresponsible for him to even mention the term burn to the ground in an op ed piece. he's going to be the first one running away when the fire starts -- >> i mentioned burn to the ground -- i'm not running anywhere. >> you are running. >> i mentioned burn to the ground in the op ed -- no i'm not running anywhere i'm right here i'm not going anywhere. i mentioned burn to the ground in the op ed piece because the city was burning. that's what happened. >> i read your piece -- >> no you don't -- you've read it but you probably couldn't comprehend it. >> why is that? >> you don't know what it is to live in a city -- >> i grew up in the city thanks dee. >> no you don't -- >> i don't know what you do? >> you don't know what it is to be black and live in a city like baltimore. >> what don't i understand? >> you don't understand how it is to be constantly harassed and brutalized by police officers. >> you're right. >> you don't get it. you don't understand you have a police background you are protecting your fellow gang meant. i understand where you're coming from protecting your fellow gang members that do the same thing that you do i understand where you're coming from. these people are frustrated -- >> see how hard it is to make a rational argument? do you see how hard it is to make a rational argument? >> it's not really that hard. >> are you going to let me talk? >> let dan finish dee, then i'll come back to you for a response. go ahead, dan, and dee will respond. >> you see, unlike dee, i'm going to make a rational argument. i'm not denying to dee that the black experience with policing has been far different. he's correct. i have no idea what that's like. but so the logic there is that every cop all the time is a gang member? his words, not mine. and that we should subject cops to some form of street justice, and if that's not the case we should burn the city down. ask dee thinks he's a credible figure in this argument -- >> no one said -- >> you said it. >> no one said street justice. >> read your piece again. it's your word. >> dee, let me quote what you said in the piece here and give you a chance to explain what you meant. what you said was, "stop protecting the livelihoods of the cops who killed freddie gray or watch baltimore burn to the ground." what exactly were you trying to say when you wrote that? >> i was saying that the citizens of baltimore feel disenfranchised and cheated. the freddie gray case it's an open and shut case. fy broke a guy's neck it wouldn't take this long to lock me up. especially if the guy died of murder. you'll i'm saying is that these people here feel frustrated and we're angry and i would never condone violence i don't think violence is the answer or the key, but i'm saying these people are acting that way because they feel like a lopsided justice system isn't working for them. the only reason why i used the words burn to the ground when i wrote those words my city that i love was on fire. >> to dee's point there is a history for the baltimore police of aggressive behavior right? fbi says officers have killed 127 people over two decades. that's more than other cities of the same size. they've paid $6 million in judgments. in just the past few years. for police misconduct. so dee has a point. >> yeah, listen, erin i am in no way denying there are serious and credible cases of police use of force that in some cases has been criminal. been worse than criminal. that have been moral hi ethically, legally wrong. i don't know any serious cop who would deny that. but that's not an argument to write an op ed like dee did, using incendiary language no pun intended i mean that incendiary language, then run from it. there are a lot of really good people in baltimore who get it. it's their businesses that are going to burn to the ground. it's not -- >> why do you keep talking about -- >> you keep interrupting me it's annoying. >> you keep saying i'm running and it's not true. that's annoying. >> dee, you're talking about -- you're not talking about them burning your house to the ground. you're talking about other people's property you don't own. you don't find that as grow tefrkly irresponsible -- >> you don't know. you don't know what i own. >> all right. >> look i don't want to see -- i don't want to see anyone get hurt. i don't want to see anyone get hurt i just want justice for freddie gray and his family. >> all right. >> if you can comprehend what i wrote, maybe you would understand more. >> i appreciate both of your time tonight, thank you. we are waiting a live police briefing out of baltimore. we just got word that was going to be happening this hour. you're looking at live pictures. massive crowds on the streets tonight. the curfew less than three hours away. and baltimore's tough love mom speaking out to cnn. my guest tonight, presidential hopeful, long-time baltimore resident, dr. ben carson, with a message to the rioters here on "outfront." protesters insisting, we are not thugs, in response to what the president labeled them. we'll be right back. ♪music continues♪ [announcer] everyone works hard for a reason. working together,we can help you prepare financially for when two becomes three. wells fargo. together we'll go far. when a moment spontaneously turns romantic why pause to take a pill? 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it sounds more energetic and enthused than it did last night. >> reporter: a lot of energy a lot of enthusiasm. as we're marching now through the streets of downtown baltimore, this is a protest erin that started at johns hopkins university then they marched to city hall. now they're going to march back to penn station. as we walk through this community, stopping briefly, people looking out of their apartment buildings as they watch hundreds and hundreds of people peacefully i re-emphasize that peacefully march through the city. this is a diverse crowd, multi-cultural crowd. i met a group of nurses who are out here holding big signs saying marching for healing. then students from johns hopkins. one common denominator they all have is they want to be able to show the world, show the country, that people from all walks of life can come together and can march peacefully in speaking out for a cause. they say that they're going to march all the way to penn station. you can see the hundreds and hundreds that have gathered here and continuing to march. i did ask about the curfew which as you know goes into effect about in about three hours. folk is i talk to say they are going to honor that curfew and they're going to continue marching and having their voices heard. >> and jason, you know i know the video of the california mom -- sorry, baltimore mom, toya graham has been getting a lot of attention. this video which we've all seen went viral. smacking her son, getting him out of the riots, bringing him home. what are you hearing tonight about her son and her and what's happened to them? >> first of all, let me say i've met her and i can safely say there are a lot of toyas in this crowd tonight. that video that went viral showing her slapping her 16-year-old son michael, who i met a little earlier today. basically, this is a woman who cares deeply about her son. she is a single mom, six children doing it on her own. when she saw her son out there, she decided to put a stop to it. >> he was actually embarrassing himself by wearing that mask and hoodie and doing what he was doing. at some point i told him to take the mask off because why are you hiding behind a mask? if you want to be bold enough to do this then show your face. >> she was worried about you? >> right. she didn't want me to get in trouble by the law. she didn't want me to be like another freddie gray. >> reporter: when i spoke to michael earlier, i said what were you thinking when you were out there doing that? and he said, i wasn't thinking. when i spoke to his mom and i asked her specifically, i said when you see so much like this happening in your community, she said look i don't want to see another freddie gray whether it be my son or anyone else's son. i think that's the sentiment of so many women who are how the here, so many help who are out here. that's why these people continue to march for peace. >> all right, jason carroll, thank you very much. you'll see more of toya -- >> "outfront," dr. ben carson expected to announce he's running for president on monday. he has very close ties to baltimore. he lived there for 36 years. dr. carson, it's a pleasure to have you on this show. the video of the baltimore mom, toya graham. it's gone viral. everybody has now seen this video many times. she smacks her son for joining in the riots. she forcibly brings him home. you're a parent to three sons. did she do the right thing? >> well she certainly reminds me of my mother. she would have certainly have done that if i'd been out there doing such silliness. put it's such a wonderful example of parental responsibility. parents, grand parents, guardians. need to play a very active role in the lives of these children. that's what will mold the kind of adults that they become. and that will add character to the fabric of our society. so i commend her. you know i don't necessarily think violence is always the answer. but sometimes in a desperate situation, a mom needs to get her son out of the situation feeling that he may be in danger. >> and so as i said this video went viral. the cover of the "new york post" today reads "forget the national guard, send in the moms." obviously a somewhat humorous way of saying a serious question which is are the national guard less effective than a mother? >> there is no question that the most effective way to avoid danger and to guarantee success is good parenting. and it's something that we really need to talk about more in our society. as we moved away from talking about the kinds of values that really created an incredibly strong backbone for our nation. nothing wrong with that at all. >> dr. carson you just heard the baltimore native dee watt tins on the show. today in the "new york times," i'll quote him, "to us the baltimore police department is a group of terrorists funded by our tax dollar who beat on people in our community daily." as a black man who spent decades living in baltimore as you have was that your experience with the police department? >> i certainly had many many encounters with the police. many cases over people who had been shot over various other types of trauma. and i think the baltimore police are some of the finest people i've ever met. they've worked with me in terms of helping to educate children going and talking to them about making wise choices. and i've never had an unpleasant encounter. that doesn't mean that there aren't bad apples of course there are bad apples. there are bad apples in every profession. even in the news media. but it doesn't mean that you go out and try to take out all the people in that profession. that's silliness. >> you're obviously in florida right now talking to me. marty o'mally has come back from ireland to come to baltimore, other leaders of baltimore are back. why aren't you there? >> because i'm here. i can only be in one place at one time. >> are you going to go? if it's this important? >> i do have a schedule. we have lots of mechanisms for being able to speak to people. i was on television in baltimore yesterday morning. and i've weighed in on this in multiple situations. so i'm not going to break commitments that i have elsewhere when i can easily get the information disseminated. >> all right. dr. carson i appreciate your time thank you so much for coming "outfront," sir. >> a pleasure. next we are awaiting a police briefing that should be happening just around half past the hour. in another three minutes we will update you on that. we're going to be bringing that to you live. meanwhile you're looking at live pictures of the protest on the streets of baltimore. a lot of people are out, it is a very diverse crowd tonight. they are chanting they are energized, and so far they are peaceful. plus on this program last night an emotional reaction to president obama calling young rioters thugs. >> come on, so calling them thugs, just call them nig -- just call them nig -- we don't have to call them by names such as that we don't have to do that. >> baltimore councilman karl stokes is "outfront" again tonight. his hands in the air, police charged this man, pushed him into an armored vehicle. people are asking, where is joseph kent? 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try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and are proven to taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm... amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief. thousands of protesters gathering in cities across the u.s. marching in solidarity with those in baltimore, protesting the death of freddie gray in police custody. chants of "black lives matter." some are carrying signs reading "we are not thugs" in reaction to the president's comments yesterday calling the rioters and looters thugs. a huge demonstration in new york city right now as well. so far, these protests have remained peaceful tonight. alex field is among the protesters in new york city. alex i know that you've just seen a bit of a change in terms of police response. >> that's right this confrontation now happening live. this had started as a peaceful protest. police had warned that people could not walk in the streets, that they could be arrested for disorderly conduct if they took to the streets. what we saw in the last few minutes was a big crowd of hundreds of people marching across 17th street heading west across manhattan. police cutting them off as they tried to approach. you can now see police trying to hold them back. th put some people into wire hand ties. we've seen them make the first few arrests. we're hearing nypd come? over the loud speakers warning people that they will be arrested for obstructing sidewalks. you saw a few trying to resist arrest now a great deal of the crowd has been pushed back onto the sidewalk. part of this street clearing out. you've got this influx of nypd officers who are trying to keep control of this crowd. i've heard a lot of people in the crowd chanting now "baltimore we've got your back" and "our streets." we've certainly now seen at least a handful of people being taken into arrest. and this group of nypd officers out in the streets now. we've got someone on the ground we can get in and see this another arrest being made. officers also trying to talk to people on the sidewalks, trying to keep more of them out of the streets, trying to stop them from joining in. again, erin, i want to reiterate this started as a peaceful gathering in union square for an hour hour and a half. people were listening to speakers they were chanting, they were doing a little bit of singing. when they decided to get in the streets nypd came through on this threat. they'd handed out fliers earlier saying they would step in to arrest people if they obstructed sidewalks or got in the streets. nypd now showing that was not a hollow threat. they have cut them off really just within the first half block of this march. this is union square. just down here. so really this crowd didn't get far at all before the mess came in and started making these arrests. i want you to take a look at what's happening out here on 17th street in manhattan before your eyes. this started as a protest to show solidarity with baltimore. nypd again now making a handful of these arrests. >> alex were you able to understand exactly what happened to have a change? when you were talking to us not even 30 minutes ago, this was remarkably peaceful. and now, obviously, you're seeing this isolated incident -- go ahead. >> right. about half an hour when we were on the phone or when we were talking to you, we were saying this is a representation what was a peaceful protest looks like. a few minutes ago we heard people saying let's march, this walk. this wasn't be a organized march, this was just an organized gathering billed on social media. when we got down here talked to organizers they said they hadn't made plans for a march but they weren't going to stop people if that's what people wanted to do. here's the difference. you saw in this city these marches happen for weeks during the winter. you saw a lot of them happen without any incidents. but the nypd did warn this evening that people could not take over the streets tonight, that they could not take over the sidewalks. that was a different tactic than what they employed back over the winter when you may recall we would often walk for miles at a time following crowds of protesters who wanted to demonstrate, who wanted to make themselves heard, who wanted to carry their signs. so just as soon as this crowd started to pour out of union square police intercepted them cut them off. the crowd headed from east to west. the police cut them off coming from west to east. there was the confrontation that happened right out here in the middle of 17th street. the police tried to force this crowd back to where they had come from. a lot of people again getting out of the way of police listening to police orders getting on the sidewalk. you did see a few people who are put in those hand ties who have been arrested now. we're told they're going to be charged with disorderly conduct. >> thank you very much, we'll check back in as more develops. these protests in solidarity with baltimore and other cities one of them being in new york. the white house doubling down standing by the president's controversial comments calling those who are engaging in riots and looting in baltimore thugs. here's white house spokesman josh earnest today. >> no i don't think the president would in any way revise the remarks. what's also true and what did get the lion's share of the coverage out of baltimore were the actions of a small minority that were nothing short of criminal actions. whether it's arson or the looting of a liquor store, those were thuggish acts. >> the doubling down in response to some people taking issue with the president's use of the word thugs, including one guest on this program last night. i want to warn our viewers that the language and what i'm going to play right now is offensive. >> come on, so calling them thugs, just call them niggers. no. we don't have to call them by names such as that. we don't have to do that. >> karl stokes is a baltimore city councilman, "outfront" with us tonight. tara setmyer is a former communications director for a republican member of congress. i appreciate both of you being with us. karl that you can for coming back. i want to understand more about what you were saying. the president obviously you heard his spokesman stand big his use of what he described these rioters and looters as criminals and thugs. the merriam webster dictionary defines thug as "a violent criminal." you heard if it's arson or looting of a store, those are thuggish acts that fit the definition of the word. what is wrong then with what the president said? >> i have no problem with the president. as i said last night, no one can donees the criminal acts of those who participate in the looting, the fires, any of the criminal acts that went on. what i said was that we need to heal. and that many of these young people not the people who were leading this but those 14 15-year-olds who were misled misdirected, who felt lost and who were breaking out, speaking out, for whatever neglect that had gone through their lives, they deserve a chance to be gain ed engaged, for us to begin healing. let me tell you, university of kentucky won a national championship in basketball a few weeks ago. there was rioting, burning of cars there was looting going on. the university of maryland college park won a football game. they injured many police officers they turned over cars they started fires. michigan the same thing. now, what do we call those rioters? we call them college students. we didn't refer to them as thugs. we said college students were rioting. this is a racially sensitive issue for the children in baltimore city. 2,000 college students just marched to city hall to protest the use of the words that are demeaning to the children in this town. >> all right. so -- by the way, it would seem that by the definition of the word what you're describing those kids doing in those other places thuggish behavior. that's a thug. it should not be racial. if they were white and doing those things they're thugs. tair ra, to the point karl is making there are some who see this as racist at this point. the word "thug" has become linked to a racist terminology. tupak shakur popularized "the thug life," had a tattoo across his stomach, started a group named thug life. this is a racial word? >> it shouldn't be. the term thug has been used for decades to describe all kinds of people who behave in a criminally violent way. it's used against chicago mobsters and thuggery back then. it was used in comic books to describe villains in the '50s. it was commonly used thugs. we were talking before. the president has used the term thug across the board to describe terrorists in ukraine in boko haram, isis. to make this a racial issue i think is really taking away from the root of what's happening here. it's a complete distraction. and what this does it simple he removes the responsibility from a lot of the people who have failed the residents of baltimore, starting with baltimore leaders, city leadership on down for decades. it's failed these people and these residents. so instead of taking some responsibility perhaps, some of the folks in baltimore who have been responsible for the policies there, for the policy failures there for decades, instead of taking some responsibility and saying maybe what we've been doing the last 50 years hasn't been working, we're having arguments and wasting our time over a word like thug. which i guarantee you some of these people out here who are behaving that way probably sing rap lyrics and walk around with a badge of valor that they're in the thug life. and that's a problem in and of itself. why we even glorify that kind of behavior in the black community and hip-hop culture, that's a worthy conversation to have. not making ate racial one like this. i think this is a waste of time. >> president obama has used this word many times. and by the way to refer to people of several different races. here he is. >> not every collection of thugs that labels themselves al qaeda will pose a credible threat to the united states. in too many countries the actions of thugs and warlords and drug cartels and human traffickers hold back the promise of africa. rather than stand by while they're being bullied and some cases detained by these thugs. negotiate with the ukrainian government. >> councilman the point i'm making is he uses the word to describe an action and a behavior which is not defined by race. because the word thug means violent or criminal behavior. >> so erin what do you call the people who are responsible for freddie gray's death? >> well those people have done something criminal you could call those people thugs. at this point i want to make it clear we don't know exactly who is responsible, whether it was those five police officers or not. we're waiting for that verdict. >> no no. we do know that. we know freddie gray didn't break his own neck we know that. we know freddie gray didn't crush his own voice box. we know that. why won't you admit what these people are? if you're so willing to do that for the other folk. >> i would be perfectly happy to call them thugs, i'm waiting for a court of law for charges to show a medical examiner report so we know exactly what happened. that's what i'm waiting for. >> but that's changing the focus -- >> we neither know nor care. we know what happened. we know that they are responsible for his death. you have that information already. the police have admitted as much. >> i think that there are legitimate questions here with what went on with freddie gray. and why it's taking so long i'm not sure. but there is a process and we need to respect it. it's not helping the situation that we don't have the information. but we need to be careful -- >> we know what happened. >> they said the same thing about michael brown in ferguson, sir, and they did not know what happened it turned out to be a complete lie and fabrication. and what was initially what people thought what they were rioting in the streets over never actually happened. we need to be careful with running to -- having vigilante justice, we can't do that. i'm not saying the baltimore police department doesn't have problems. they have for many years. corruption on down. it's been a significant problem from the higher-ups on down. but there are also good officers in baltimore. we can't continue to sit here and say and just throw respect for authority and law and justice out the window -- >> most of the officers are good. >> yes, absolutely. >> i've said that. the baltimore community supports the officers in our town. we have many many good officers thousands, a couple of thousand numbers, close to 3,000, almost all of our officers are good people who work in our community. we support our officers. 100%. >> right. we have kids -- >> that's acting like a thug and if they were black, if they were white, if they were yellow or green, when you're throwing bricks and rocks at police officers that are trying to respond and protect innocent people and property that's thuggish behavior. when you have people that are cutting the fire hoses of fire trucks trying to stop the burning of communities, that's thuggish behavior. >> so we do use different words for black people versus white people. we do. i just talked to you about all of the college students who have been rioting and never once has the media called those rioters, those looters, those abusers of police, thugs. not once. >> all right thanks very much to both of you. i appreciate it it's a good conversation and part of a much broader one, of course that's very important to have. 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>> reporter: erin i want to show what's happening now. we have these nypd officers out here lined up shoulder to shoulder committed to keeping people off of the streets. officers telling other officers if you see anyone in the street force them back on to the sidewalk. we've got these mesh fences i don't know if you can see them through the crowd, but the nypd is using to keep them on the corners. erin this started as a very peaceful protest, a large crowd, hundreds and hundreds of people just behind me back there in union square. they had gathered said this was going to be a place to express their sadness and outrage, but the nypd said they were not going to have free reign of the streets of the city tonight. as soon as people left union square park came right out here to 17th street police started pushing them back. those who resisted refused to get on the sidewalk those who refused to disperse were arrested. we think we've got maybe a couple dozen arrests. tough to keep track. we have seen a lot of people have the hand ties put on. one person being carried out of here for resisting. another person taken away in an ambulance. still a very tense situation, erin. we've got more and more nypd officers who have been brought in here. some of them wearing helmets with face masks. protesters responding saying they're going to walk somewhere else. a big crowd has taken off south of here saying they might wrap around toward the 6th avenue. right now you've got this standoff outside union square park with part of this crowd refusing to leave, police holding their line here in the middle of the street. and we're going to have to wait and see if there is another arrest being made right now. being in this crowd being warned they could be charged with disorderly conduct and certainly a lot being taken away in cuffs. a lot of people in this crowd beginning to feel agitated some saying they don't feel they're being respected by the police. the nypd trying to stop this situation from escalating erin. i feel this has come as something as a surprise to some of these demonstrators, because you'll remember just a few months ago, there were a lot of marches, a lot of protests following the death of eric garner in which people were allowed or given the freedom to take to the streets, to demonstrate, to chant, to hold their signs, as long as they were not acting in any capacity outside of that. of course we did see some arrests over the winter these arrests coming swiftly and quickly, erin. >> alex what's your understanding? it looks like the press is about to start. bear with me alex. there's commissioner batts from the baltimore police department. i believe he's going to walk over to the camera. >> when our guys were out there, can you imagine getting hit in the face with one of these things. and that's what these guys have been dealing with. they have a number of officers that have -- probably have broken hands or other bumps and bruises. they haven't come off the line. officers hit in the head hit in the face. so when we talk about people just throwing rocks, we -- this is one of the small ones coming at my officers that were out there. just want to share that. because i think they're extremely courageous and i think they have been standing tall, and i would like to thank you guys because i've been listening to the news, as your commentators have reported that the organizations have been very professional. we have been very deliberate on what we have done and i think the organization as a whole, i agree with you guys has done a good job. so thank you, and i think the officers have been very courageous. today we have had no officer injuries so far. we have had no major incidents. we have had the large crowd that came down to city hall. i had resources stationed in front of city hall. i have placed resources down in our inner harbor all day. i have shifted resources from state as well as national guard, as well as baltimore police department in a multitude of multiagencies up at mondaven mal. i have placed resources at north and pennsylvania. we have had no major incidents, no major events at this point. we're getting ready for curfew. i've directed all resources to start paying attention, that curfew going in effect in less than two hours. i believe now the governor and the mayor are getting ready for a full briefing that most likely will take place about 8:30. so we're preparing for that. other than that we have had 16 adult arrests throughout the day. and two juveniles. and i can't tell you what the 16 arrests are for. is there any questions i can answer? >> just so we're clear, because i've heard a lot of people talking about information that will or won't be turned over on friday. just so the public has a clear expectation, what can they expect to know about the freddie gray investigation and that report? >> much like i said last friday when we did the news conference what we're going to be turning over is preinvestigative work that we have placed -- put together. the same thing we shared we will be turning that over to the state's attorney. if you're anticipating actions it will be it turned over to the state's attorney. and from there, they will take the ball. >> so you won't be releasing any information to the public on friday? >> we will be turning over all the information to the state's attorney. they then take the lead. >> what about the public? so no information will be coming from the police department regarding this investigation to the public. because you said in the past -- you said last week that -- >> i said last week what we would be doing is turning over information, much like i'm saying tonight, to the state's attorney and they take the lead from that point. also what i said we can't put out too much information, that it may jeopardize the case itself. if anyone needs to be prosecuted. so we're limiting what information that goes out there for the purpose of prosecution, if that's an issue. >> the public defender's office says over 100 people who have been arrested are being released without any charges. can you tell us what happened there? was it something that you just couldn't be able to process in time in 48 hours? what happened? >> we've come up on a time line. we are still releasing them with future prosecution in mind. >> are there any spots in the city specifically tonight as you approach curfew -- >> one more time. >> are there any spots in the city tonight as we approach curfew that concern you like last night? >> i was very pleased with what took place in the city last night. for the most part i think curfew worked extremely well. like i said much like the mayor predicted. we got people off the street. i think the same thing will happen now. much like this large protest, extremely peaceful but a few going home in enough time before curfew in about two hours. right now i think we'll be okay. i anticipate no major issues. we do have a lot of resources. i have placed them in multiple places around the city to anticipate any issues. but i don't think there's going to be. [ inaudible question ] >> one more time. i can't hear you. [ inaudible question ] >> we had a device that looks like it was a home made device. it was inert. we found it on i believe north and pennsylvania. and we have to pay attention not only to rocks, we have to pay attention to bottles. inert devices too at this point in time. it's nothing over alarming for us but we made sure officers are paying attention. >> this photo of you on twitter, you were grabbing or tackling a person. can you tell us what was happening there? >> on monday do haven mall prior to them advancing across the street i saw probably about four or five or six young people picking up rocks, throwing them at officers as a whole. i went over to apprehend one or two of them and the picture you see is one of them i was grabbing as i was trying to grab the second one. [ inaudible question ] >> we had an officer -- i believe it's a female officer that had an injury to the leg, and everybody has been released. [ inaudible question ] flying rocks. >> can you provide more detail on these people released, do you expect all of them to be charged? >> we're not giving up on them. we're just going to follow up. but i think the system right now is trying to catch up but we'll give further information if you need it. i have to meet with the governor and the mayor. >> thank you. >> that was police commissioner batts in baltimore. where as you can see, crowds are gathering. a few headlines. 18 new arrests today. he's optimistic the curfew tonight will be respected. he did say no further injuries today of baltimore city police officers. and he actually though had a rock to show some of the things that have been thrown at them. talked about an inert device they found. also talking about bottles. but he seemed very optimistic about the curfew being respected and how things were handled last night. thanks for joining us. our continuing coverage of the breaking news continues right now with anderson cooper. anderson. >> erin thanks very much. good evening, everyone. from baltimore. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com we just heard from anthony batts reporting his officers made 18 arrests today, reminding people the curfew is still very much in effect and that that curfew will be enforced at 10:00, saying he anticipates no major issues. those were his words. there are a lot of demonstrations on the streets. you're seeing one right there. a large crowd moving peacefully through the streets. i actually encountered that crowd in traffic just a short time ago, and i can tell you, they are actually directing traffic themselves. the protesters are out in front of that protest. i didn't actually

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two key developments. the man carrying freddy gray made a stop we didn't know about. one discovered on surveillance camera and not logged by police. and they're saying that his death came from an injury he suffered when he was slammed into the police van. we're keeping an eye on it for you, protests anger and people who say they won't give up until they get justice. cnn's chris cuomo is out there, anderson cooper is here and has been covering it for us all evening here on cnn. i want to begin with cnn pfs's anderson cooper. catch us up. >> the scene in philadelphia has been in very large demonstrations, people moving through the streets, hundreds of people moving. a number of protesters wanted to get on to an off ramp and a few bottles were thrown. i believe a few arrests may have been made. and the protesters continued to move and that's the group we're still seeing now on the street. >> philadelphia, a large city used to dealing with large demonstrations. you spoke with the mayor, what did he tell you? >> he said people have the right to protest and he has respect for what they're calling for and he wants to allow them to express their opinion and grievances and trying to balance that with the safety of the police and the functioning of the city but clearly seems to be just following along and letting the protesters move where they will. >> i want to get now out to the streets of baltimore now. cnn's brian todd has been covering it this evening like he has every evening. where are you and what are you seeing? >> reporter: we're just down the intersection of north avenue and pennsylvania avenue. and our photo journalist is going to pan over here. state senator catherine pugh and elijah comings have moved people away from the intersection as curfew hit. there he is walking on a side street. he basically got on his bull horn after him and others locked arms and they basically led people away from the intersection to try to get them to stop block traffic and they did succeed in getting a lot of people off that intersection. since then the people have dispersed and moved back up toward pennsylvania and north avenue. there is a crowd gathering there. we'll see if they're blocking traffic. that was the main issue a moment ago. congressman came and talked to them and told them about the state's attorney's office taking the case and that they have to be patient and hopefully answers will come answers that they have not been satisfied with yet and trying to get them to move off the intersection. and that came after police told us they were waiting for local leaders to come get them off the middle of the intersection. fascinating tactic by the police, they would rather have local leaders come do it rather than do it themselves and then they came in here started hearing their frustrations and basically talking these people out of the intersection and then leading them out of the intersection. that was a moment ago. still a lot of people up here. the goal of the police is to try to get them to stop blocking the intersection. now the curfew has hit. we'll see if they're still lingering in that intersection. that may become an issue as we proceed from here, don. >> it is four minutes after the hour almost five minutes after a mandatory curfew has gone into effect again tonight. and there are still people on the streets, a bit more people than were on the streets last night and as you have been watching here on cnn, the congressman out on the streets with other community and city leaders trying to get those people off the streets. we're also following a large protest in philadelphia and poppy har low has been covering that one for us this evening. take us through philadelphia. >> reporter: let's turn around here. you can see what has become a smaller protest but it started at 4:30 this afternoon at city hall a gathering that turned into 4 plus hours of walking through the street. i want to emphasize how peaceful this has been throughout the day. it has been a march that law enforcement said would be largely loud and very large but also very lawful and it has been very lawful throughout with the exception of about 20 minutes tonight. i thing we have video to show you. the intersection, a huge group of protesters gathered, police on boiks s bicycles would not let them on. earlier i speak to a young man and we were talking about a moment that happened right in front of the federal prison in downtown philadelphia where people started chanting and raise their hands and you saw some of the inmates banging, don, on the windows of the prison and i asked why it was important to be there and what it was like. >> it was powerful and we're here to say we're not going to let us walk all over us. i'm just as important as you and you should see that. >> reporter: and that was a moment of someone who told me for them what this was like personally. i've heard stories from mothers, white, black, telling me why they're here and it's about freddy gray and they want answers and it's about a lot more and economic dispart and a lack of opportunity and that's a big part of this discussion, don, as you know. >> there was a lot that persipitated in the back of that police van or didn't happen. and of course that's a big rally that you're seeing the protest in philadelphia right in the middle of the city but the big city the one that got us here is the streets of baltimore. and chris cuomo is there and has been covering it for us every evening here. where are you? >> reporter: right by the cvs, obviously known for being burned down and now it's condemned and boarded up. i'm here with a local preacher and the concern interest the reverend is he's out here like a lot of concerned citizens are to get the young people to have a voice for their anger and you're saying that one of the things is that the police are moving round and making sure people are gone some of the media you feel are baiting people to stay angry. >> absolutely. my concern that they're enjoying people's anger. it's a curfew the mayor called a curfew not the police department, the mayor. so, i think that some of the media need to comply to that and not give certain guys a platform to argue, to spew out their anger toward the police department. we understand their injustice done but there's a way to do it and we need all the communities, the pasters and the preachers and even the parents to start teaching what it means the have order. it's a good way to do things and justice will prevail, we believe, but in the mean time we don't want to see these young brothers get arrested. >> but they're angry and they have the police staring at them and even though they are they've been very nonconfrontational and let them block the intersection but they feel still with what you heard today, i saw you counseling a lot of young people and they're getting ready for the cover up he did it to himself. what do you tell them? >> you tell them that even if that's the case burning up and tearing up is not the answer burning up their community is not the answer. and you have seen them out here. they're upset. they don't feel like they should have to go home. they feel like this is their turf and the police this is not their turf so why do we have to go home we're not doing this or that so it becomes a bigger problem because where's the answer? they don't want to go home. they feel like we shouldn't have to be made to go home. we're grown. >> reporter: and just earlier i heard you talking to brian todd and some of the local electives here not the mayor, the governor, but it works and the young people hearing him and you all started singing spirituals and walking down the street. were you surprised at how many came back? >> a lot of these young people are decent. when you call them thugs and call them -- it's an impoverished community, they don't have jobs they don't have money. i've given money out of my pocket to someone telling me they're hungry. they want to be based upon how they feel. i understand where they're coming from and you have to dialogue with them let them vent out and try to give them wisdom and not everybody's out here being a thug. >> reporter: true. what we see is the officers are starting to scoot up. the curfew has passed. so, now we're going to see what they do but the situation -- most of the people you're looking at right now are media, not reverend there are still some people here the police are starting to put on their shields and we'll monitor the situation and let you know what they do. >> chris, we'll keep your pictures up and monitor the situation with you. as chris cuomo has been saying now, the officers are coming suiting up and with the shields. and migel isuel is out there with the crowds. what's up? >> reporter: this is the interesting hour here. it's 1/4 after the hour. it is mostly media but there are some people out here who have come to challenge the police to some degree. they have the helmets and shields on but they don't have all the protective gear on their bodies and they blocked off pennsylvania as it was north of here right next to the cvs and they are block them in as usual. i want to talk to mark cart right here who we've been chatting with. you were talking with city leaders and how to get beyond this. what were they saying? >> kudos to the city. they want to remain incognito because it's not about the media and publicity, it's about empowering young youth and we understand where they're coming from and encouraging them to have a positive protest.'re unifying baltimore. what's really going on here is a beautiful site. >> reporter: well yes. but we have a stand off here tonight. saturday, there are expectations that aren't being met. what are the levels of concern of the city and how will they confront them? >> it's a deep concern and we want answers, justice and peace. that's been the motion. the city has given us information that doesn't necessarily sit well with anyone, our stomachs are still turning, our fists are still clenching with passion. we believe in the justice system and want to to continue with us. >> reporter: that is the big concern, this idea that this leaked information that mr. gray has somehow harmed himself, despite the fact that he asked for medical attention before getting into the police van to begin with. and it's hard to tell who are the police and the protesters and the media out here, there's so many media. on this corn there are some more but it seems, don, as there are far fewer protesters out here than other nights. >> stand by because i want to get to cnn's brian todd. you see the officers are moving in. >> reporter: okay, don, don, we are being moved by this fay lanks of police officers. >> brian -- >> reporter: yes, don. we're being. okay. >> meadif you're not media, please move to the side. we're moving the media. please move to the side. >> reporter: okay. so they're asking the media and everyone to move to the side. we saw the police commissioner out there just moments ago and our brian todd is out there. not to cut you off but i wanted to hear what they were telling the people still out there. >> reporter: no problem, don, didn't mean to talk over you. what just happened is commissioner is out here basically commanding this. he basically came out and ordered his commanders to get the media out of the intersection and then we see this long three rows deep of a police officers lining up and then they start coming towards us as we saw. i asked the commissioner just before this happened if he could come talk to us and he said no i'm doing work here. didn't want to do it. so he's working the scene and trying to move the media out of the intersection. we're doing it but if we are, then some of the protesters come in and voice their displeasure as they are here but they are trying to move people out. they and the police are trying to work together and you have a little bit of agitation, trying to get a rise out of the police but it's basically peaceful. the police will advance a few feet and then pull back. you have these local volunteers with the bull horn. >> as long as they see you guys they're going to keep talking. i need you guys to stop. >> reporter: i believe she's talking to the mead you, don, because there are very few residents here ordinary citizens out here at this point. a bit of tension here between the police and media but it's them trying to get us to move to the side. >> so brian, as we're watching the pictures you said there's a bit of tension out here but there to appear to be some people who are out there but citizens, we hear people screaming now in the background and you said that they are trying to agitate the police on purpose? >> reporter: they -- it's more them trying to basically tease the police and almost make fun of them. one guy jumped in front of them yelling. this other gentleman here is really venting his anger. and because he believes some of the neighborhood volunteers are trying to suppress his voice. he is confronting the police. this is a local leader dr. warren a minister who is trying to talk this man down. >> that's all we want. >> reporter: dr. warren this is one of the men who led this today's protest and is trying to talk the man away from the police. right now this gentleman is having none of it but backing off a little. >> all right. all most 20 minutes into the mandatory curfew tonight in baltimore maryland and you're witnessing some of the citizens upset feeling like their voices aren't being heard and they're yelling at police and you have community leaders and that's what you're looking at on the left of your screen and community leaders trying to get them to comply with this curfew and it appears to be a bit more of a struggle than it was last night. of course the first night people stayed out longer than curfew but only 10 people were arrested on that night. i want to get to cnn's chris cuomo also out in the crowd. are you witnessing any similar situation where you're standing? >> reporter: yeah, we're actually behind them. and the commissioner is literally on the left and he's calling the shots from back here and he's been telling his officers be easy be easy. they grabbed this man with -- >> stand by we're going to brian. >> you apprehended that man? why was he arrested? >> reporter: they apprehended him -- he was walking slowly and they came up behind him and they invepped him and took him the back there and apprehended them. as they were pushing us forward, so he has been basically been evaporated into the that wall of police and been taken away. >> and you're looking at that on the right hand side of your screen, we have that man being taken into custody. continue, brian. >> reporter: i'm not sure exactly what -- i'm sorry, don, i don't know where the man is. there was a rush of police that went to your left my left i don't know where they took him over here. i don't believe they did. oh there he is. i see him back there. jordan back over here. we may be pushed back. >> he's on our screen brian. >> reporter: he is behind this line of police officers. all right. we're being very aggressive police officer telling us to get out of the way. so, don, they have pushed -- >> all right, brian, stand by. chris cuomo, go ahead. >> reporter: to be fair the media is blocking the intersection, the police above and in front asking you not to block the intersection and the police, the media are standing in the middle of the intersection and that's what the helicopter said was don't be in the middle of the intersection. so you're going to create a little bit of friction. so we wanted to let you know what happens when someone gets arrested. they take the person drag them back and process them as being in custody but the commissioner himself is here calling the shots. we've heard him giving instructions saying go easy on this and we heard him giving an instruction saying they have to move and it's always a little bit of the balance of doing our job. you don't want to be the problem you want to cover what is the problem. the media is on the other side and has been chased out of the intersection and it's at a stand still as the officers are assessing who here is not supposed to be here don. >> and i'm glad i can see you're on the sidewalk complying with what the police officers are telling you and we're glad that you're doing that. we hope our other correspondents are doing that as well. brian todd was out there and happened to be caught up in the middle of it but if they tell you to get out of the street regardless if you're media, you get out of the street. i want to bring in a former chief spokes person for the baltimore police and crisis expert and sunny joining us this evening. what do you make of it? it appear as big part of the problem is the media not complying. >> let's face it every single day this curfew has worked -- >> you have people who don't want to. >> and perhaps they're trying to make a statement and they are being civilly disobeadiant and wanted to be arrested but the police have shown tremendous restraint and what they've been doing has been working. >> the fact of the matter is it's not a secret 10:00, is a curfew but i've seen the department step back and try to let the community police themselves but at a certain point they will be arrested and taken to jail. >> the police commissioner is out there what does that say to you? >> from a crisis leadership standpoint it's are imert pont to be present, directive and decisive in your action and he must be on the scene to take part in this because the world is watching and i heard over and over and over the meaddia is in the way. and they need to comply otherwise they will interrupt police operations. and it's 11:15 and you're not supposed to be on the street right. >> and they've been very very clear about the curfew and if they're trying to be civilly disobeadiant, that's a means of protest but it's another thing if you're trying to be troublesome. >> remember the first man who went to jail that first night behind the humvee. >> yes. >> well, we're going to talk to him. a city that is under curfew for the third night in a row. and protests in other cities as well. and a protester, later identified as joseph kent, grabbed and pushed into a humvee. tonight he tells me what happened to him. that's next. ♪ where do you get this kind of confidence? 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>> so what happens is the state's attorney's office is charge would reviewing everything and she'll take all of that information and her and her staff will review all of that information, decide whether or not charges are warranted and who against, which charges should be lodged and most likely they'll take them to the grand jury for purposes of presenting for an indictment. >> so there was the one stop and another stop that was not recorded. >> correct. >> and then a third stop where they picked up the other prisoner, correct? >> yep. >> so what is the significance of the stop that they never -- >> the significance of it is it's very odd. because when you're the wagon guy, you're usually by yourself. you're picking up whoever has been arrested but when you're driving you're by yourself. so there be no transmissions between him and any other officers, that's highly unusual. it doesn't happen that way. >> so i'm sure he'll want to talk to the other person in the van. have you been able to determine who that is and have you spoken to him? >> actually he was interviewed i believe on the news. >> we're hearing reports of someone who was interviewed but we're not sure if that was him. we're told he is still locked up. >> all i know is the person identified himself as the person who was in the van and indicated that there was not a lot of noise when he was being transported with freddy gray. thank you for covering the story. >> so we want to go back now to the streets of baltimore. brian when last we saw you there was a confrontation, they were asking mead you to move to the side and you just saw some police on the move. what's going on? brian todd? >> reporter: yes, i'm sorry, don, i was talking to a local gentleman here who was trying to explain some of the dynamic of the neighborhood. this is much like what they did last night when they formed long lines columns in the middle of the street and parted. and we of course were caught in the middle of that a moment ago and when they were pushing us to the side we did move. we moved to the side and to a corner. we did not want to rile them up anymore. and then the police backed off and moved to the side and they made a major announcement via helicopter that the streets are open now and they're saying attention members of the media, the streets are open. so if the last comnights are any example of what might happen now, the police officers will hang here for a while on the sidewalk, their vehicles will grad wale clear out and then they will clear out. >> i want everyone to stay with me. we'll be right back with more live coverage from baltimore. i was going to talk to the young man who was swept up by police on the first night of this curfew. combine a safe sleep aid... plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. be a morning person again with aleve pm. thanks for coming. we want a spirited performance. who offers the most horsepower? 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ed? >> i couldn't hear for a second. i got you now. i don't know what happened. the wise thing to do would be to wait for the autopsy and the final findings of the state's attorney. i think a lot of the speculation is really fuelling the fire and creating a dangerous situation in an already bad situation in baltimore. i think the questions need to be asked once the autopsy is released. >> does it change anything whether it happened before or after he was put into that van? >> i don't think so. the responsibility would be the findings of the state's attorney. i think we need to find thrum me's report how he died and where it happened is kind of irrelevant. if it's deemed a homicide you have to wait for the facts. yard like to get the totality of the facts and there's so much speculation and its's creating a bad situation in baltimore. >> this second stop came from a new surveillance camera. so my question is do you think there are other cameras out there? because i don't know if we had found out about this other location without the other camera. >> that's one of the police should have done is drove the route and people have cameras on their own property and that's why it's are important to figure out what the investigation says and if there are other cameras out there. >> if there is another stop that we never heard about, does that raise suspicion for you? >> in light of everything that's going on it really just raise as great deal of question as to what occurred on that stop that was unreported and unrecorded. so, yes, it does. >> they never learned any of that from the officers they interviewed sunny. >> that's what is troubling to me. we know early on that five out of the six officers did provide statements and so how is it that just about a week and a 1/2 ago we're learning that the investigators learned about this second stop. that is very very strange. that i think raises at least a specter that officers weren't being as transparent or the officer who did not give a statement is -- >> because correct me if i'm wrong ed because you ran the department, when you're driving is it one person driving the van and if the one person driving the van never reported fit then the others wouldn't know about it. >> if there's one operator then the others wouldn't know about it. >> so that could be your answer. >> why would he injure or how could he injure himself so badly that he caused all of these injuries to his voice box and on and on and on. >> that doesn't really make sense. there would have to be a significant amount of force for someone to sustain that kind of injury and that someone couldn't self sustain that kind of injury and that's i think what most people are troubled by is that the argument that somehow freddy gray severed his own spine. does that really make a lot of sense? >> if freddy gray suffered some kind of seizure because this report, what it's saying is that it's consistent with the bolt in the back of a police van. if he suffers some ss some sort of seizure, is it possible he sustained those type of injuries back there because he's unaccompanied and not strapped into the seat? >> i'm not going to speck ylts as to what happens in the back but there is the large stone planter that he is actually lifted from and i wonder if something happened there because it looked like he was being injured as he was put into the back of the van and i wonder if he was banging for assistance or trying to hurt himself, if he had already hurt himself in the struggle because that was a big stone and when they lifted him up then he looked like he wasn't steady then. >> brian. >> reporter: we are out here just off the north avenue -- actually pennsylvania and you can see there's a semi truck. and what we've been told is they found a body inside that truck. it's an open investigation right now. not signature foul play is involved. and they actually removed the body from that front calf. you can see the officers are right here and in fact they don't want to us get any closer to this van as they do this investigation. but they're checking to see how this man or woman died inside the truck. we have no kind of identify confirmed but homicide investigators are on the scene as we speak. this is a block away from the cvs. >> okay. so ryan this is you said north and pen here? >> yes. >> and an industrial area -- >> reporter: yes. let me do this for you, don. so, here that's the cvs right there. that's the cvs. so you can see that and as we walk back this direction, you can see this semi truck that's right here. this semi truck and all this activity over there, that's the homicide investigators and the me's office has been doing the investigation to see -- and they removed a body right before we went live and obviously we're not going to show that and they've been checking all the evidence in this area. not sure how they kbooenew about the body. >> and a body found in truck. ryan young is just a block away or so from the cvs, which is a spot of a lot of looting and cars on fire. but they found a body and removed it a short time ago. homicide detectives are on the scene doing an investigation. a city under curfew for a third night in a row and coming up the powerful african american women keeping the peace here in this city. your buddy ron once said he could install your ceiling fan. he couldn't. and that one time ron said another chili dog was a good idea. yeah, it wasn't. so when ron said you'd never afford a john deere tractor, you knew better. now ron does too. introducing the e series. legendary john deere quality. unexpected low price. drive one of the e series tractors during a drive green event at your john deere dealer. now? 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>> well we just wanted to go out and encourage them let them know that they matter that we're here for them that we stand with them. we know that they are've been through a lot and been hurting for a long time and we want to let them know that we care. i think even talking to some of the kids they don't feel like a lot of people care about them or that they matter. so we want to let them know, we're here for them and we believe in them. >> so ray lewis has been telling protesters to go home and today the former raven spoke at a high school. i want to take a listen and then we'll talk about it. >> we don't wayne war with war. everybody loses in a war. if we want to do something, march -- >> you don't win wars with war. do you think that kind of message is getting through to the teenagers who are really so angry about this situation? >> i think that any time you can get a positive leader like ray, who's been here for a while, this is his city, he's done a lot for the community. just to allow him to go out and share and speak his heart to the kids i think it means a lot. i think it was receptive. you can see pictures of him embracing some of the kids and them embracing him. i went to another school today and talked to him. the kids they just want to know that even after this event has gone away that people are still going to be here for them and that just lets me know that they really need somebody who's going to build a relationship with them and really let them know that hey, once again you matter and we care about you. >> you know even you hit the big time. ray lewis made it to the big time and not everybody can do that not even the best people can become a major league player on any sport and you have to gauge what your talents are and maybe take them in other areas. so what lessons can they learn from sports figures? because not everybody is going to be a sports star. >> right. from athletes you can learn a lot. one thing, you can see whatethic. you can see the time and dedication it takes to make it to this level and transfer that over to any profession that you want to go into. we spend a lot of time making sure we're eating the right things, running, so we can have a better life for ourselves and our family and sacrifice, dedication, hard work that's all a part of it. >> yeah. eating right in baltimore, it's hard to do. i don't know how you do it. thank you very much we appreciate you joining us here on cnn. we have much more on the breaking news to come in baltimore. a city wide curfew in effect for the third night in a row. we'll be right back ve series insoles. they help reduce wear and tear on my legs, becuase they have triple zone protection. ... and reduce shock by 40%. so i feel like i'm ready to take on anything. ♪ where do you get this kind of confidence? at your ford dealer... that's where! our expert trained technicians... state of the art technology and warranty parts keep your vehicle running right. it's no wonder we sold more than 3.5 million tires last year and durning the big tire event get a $120 mail in rebate on 4 select tires. ♪ you used to sleep like a champ. then boom... what happened? 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although they seem to be dwindling right now. we hope that stays in place. tensions are rising here. protests have spread from baltimore to new york city to washington d.c. anger all across this country calls for justice and demands for change but tonight the question is will there, can there be a peaceful night here in baltimore? that is a big question here. chris cuomo is out on the streets and anderson cooper is here and has been reporting all evening. anderson two nights of curfews, you've been watching this grow and they're moving to get off the streets and this is going all across this country. >> it's fascinating to see in new york, similar demonstrations that we saw in the wake of the death of erick garner and roving demmen stragds nonstrations throughout the street. we just saw a stand off as protesters tried to move against traffic. much more peaceful and organized with permission from the police in washington d.c. and also minneapolis. but to the point, at the end of the broadcast, he's saying it's time to stop managing this and start leading. >> absolutely. and after we saw the not indictment when those protests spread across the country as well. and somebody you've been talking to as well chris tell us what you're seeing right now. >> reporter: right. we have the chopper up above right now. it is announcing it is curfew time it's time to get out of the street. >> this is the baltimore police department. it is now 10:00. >> effective until 5:00 a.m. that's what they were saying last night. anyone you see a hel mltmet on that's the media. and they say they were here to cover this tonight and this is mostly media right now. and i don't know why they're in the middle of the intersection but it's mostly media. and the numbers are not as great as they were. i don't know if they redeployed. but the continuing concern is down the side streets, we do have people lingering in the middle and you'll see it down there, there's a camera in the way but you go down a blaurks you have people and you go down a block and it's clear on the other two sides because the police are there. so it's going in the right direction and people are aware there are marches in other cities they are aware that there's a different feel out here a lot of elders. and i think it's going the right way. and here comes elijah comings again. it is what you see. he's walking right now. >> chris cuomo is out in the crowd where they're trying to get the folks to disperse and when you get him, get back to us. we're going to cnn's ryan young. ryan i want to bring you in because we have comings -- let's go back to chris. >> reporter: congressman, do you feel happy with what's happening? >> we're trying to get people to get home. my number one priority is getting people to go home. >> reporter: do you feel you've done a good job? >> i think we've done a great job. all this is media. you're taking pictures of each other. >> reporter: congressman is right. the media is doing exactly that and the police haven't had anything to do with that and in truth, elijah and the community leaders have done it and has not required any police action tonight. >> we're good chris. you're breaking up a little bit. i do want to get over to ryan. as you saw last night, last night it was much more tense because people didn't know exactly what was going to happen. it appears much more people off the streets but it is a little bit more chaotic. what's your assessment? >> reporter: we've been standing near chris and when the fight broke out between the gang members, we got nervous because you could tell people were trying to clear the street and we saw people throwing punches and the police decided to stay over there and they actually allowed everyone there to and the community cleared the streets. and we heard them just a second ago and he believes there's more media here tonight than there were last night. so he was saying, he wanted some of the people in the street to go away because he felt it was exacerbating the situation. police are over there and across the street. there was a small popping noise and everybody went to investigate it but the issues have been contained to the center of the street and you can see the community members stepping in saying -- [ inaudible ] i will try to put my mic up in the air for you, don. hold on pp. >> and that is the command that is coming from the police helicopter that comes every night. >> reporter: they are using their spot light and showing it down on this large area. i can tell you about maybe 10 minutes ago, there were 150 people in this interseconds and now that it's cleared out, what you see behind us now is very few residents and a lot of need media members standing in the street. there is no tension now, it's just everybody standing around seeing what's next. and elijah going in the middle of the crowd, despite the fight, and saying, i love this community, i would please like you to go home and be safe. >> at points it's tough to hear you because of the police helicopter but that's the situation right now. the interesting thing is that the congressman is out there and we've seen numerous people from the community out there and that has really made all the difference is ving all those people out there. the president said yesterday, it's not about the police it's about the community and a city wide effort to make sure that the rioting doesn't happen again. >> reporter: it's very interesting, the flash point may v happened with several fires but redemption may happen here as well. when you see people of all different faiths and ethnicities get together and say we're not going to let this city fall apart, that's when you know something good is happening. and when police decided to stay back and allow that fight to be separated by active members who decided decided, we're not going to allow this fight to spill over and get out of control, they moved those people down the street. community leaders stepped in very quickly and now you can see police officers sort of standing there, i'm not going to say casual but today, they were willing to talk to us off camera and willing to say that the community had a different position to them and the fact that it felt a lot calmer than yesterday. >> i want you to stand by and chris cuomo stand by. we're going to get you to new york because there are large scale protests going on there as well. and brian, what are you seeing? >> reporter: don, we're not too far from where chris and ryan are transmitting about a half a block away. huge columns of police just standing here at the ready and our photo journalist are going to take walk this way. we want to show you is the depth of police and national guard response that is at the ready here along the corridor of pennsylvania avenue and north avenue. here you have a back up of officers -- yes, sir, we will. this gentleman doesn't want to let us back here. but you have national guardsman in this direction over here. so multiple layers on every side of this intersection don, of officers and as we were walking up, there seemed to be more people on the streets but it does seem to be dissipating with each passing moment. the community leaders and some of the volunteers have gotten out here in force and made these people go home. we saw a lot of young kids walking peacefully out of the area heeding the instructions. right at the stroke of 10:00, you heard the loud speakers going off, saying it's 10:00, the curfew is in place and there are a few people milling about, not only journalists, but a few local citizens as well. >> cnn's brian todd and many more correspondents. as i promise you, we want to get you to new york. these are live pictures you're looking at. there seems to be some disturbance with police. a man appears to be getting arrested here. and it's 11 minutes into the hour. there's a curfew in baltimore maryland where it appears police have gotten it under control but in new york city where there are demmen demonstrations there is chaos and what looks to be an arrest. alexandra, take us to the scene. what's going on. in times square. >> reporter: i'm on 42nd street and what you saw was the crowd walking against traffic and that's why the police began to swarm and arrest that man. this is a scene that we've seen play out over the last few hours. the crowd here has swelled and contracted. they started in union square and were on the west side highway. you go to times square and they are over here. you hear a lot of shouting and chanting. the police have been closely staying with him and a lot of the time forming a line and walking next to the crowd and other times on mopeds. when the demonstrators go into the streets, that's when you see police reacting and making arrests. we saw a lot of arrests this evening when a huge group got in the middle of 17th street. and we've heard tense words exchanged. we're hearing a lot of demonstrators who are frankly angry. a lot of them chanting baltimore, we've got your back and a lot of them shouting directly at police officers and you see them pause at times to have these confrontations. and the police will line up as the crowd shouts back and then the crowd moves back on which is what we're doing right now is heading back on 42nd street. >> so these are moving protests and how many protesters do you think is on cnn? >> reporter: we are probably in a crowd of a couple hundred right now. earlier this evening, we were in union square when hundreds and hundreds of people gathered and that was an organized demonstration, don. that was widely advertised on social media. they said they wanted a place to express their sadness, out rage over what they had seen in baltimore. there was no planned march but you did see this group take to the streets. and the nypd has used a different tactic. earlier in the winter, we saw these marches very routinely and a lot of times the police would allow them their space and allow them to walk the streets and only stopping to make arrests when they felt there was a stronger disturbance but tonight, they came in at the beginning and stet up speakers telling people if they ubstracted the sidewalks or got in the streets, they would make arrests and they followed through with that. right now, you can see this crowd on the side of the police escort has swellen and contracted if necessary. >> i want you to stand by. don't go fwarar. she is in times square with a large protest that is happening here because that's happening here because of what's going on in baltimore. protests are kraupg upcropping up in major cities. washington d.c. as well. 15 minutes after second night a curfew has gone into place in baltimore. the city here looks like it's pretty much gotten it incontrol right now. media can be out and are allowed to be out. so of course you would expect a lot of media to be out there given the magnitude. and let's talk about all of this. we'll get back to all of our reporters in the field and especially if something happens. and joining me here in baltimore, she used to live in baltimore. and a form spokesman for the police and a crisis and public safety expert. second night, as we watch these pictures unfold you see what's happening in new york what's your assessment as a law enforcement officer? >> i think what we're seeing is the community engaged, making a positive difference. and the sooner the community can get involved and making sure they work with one another to quell the violence the better. and you have to understand that these issues don't know boundaries. there's concerns about police brutality and folks are going to mobilize in this world of dig s it and everyone to be heard and validated. >> and last time we had a guest, the former commissioner said he didn't feel that curfew was a good idea but do you think it's worked well here? >> i do. and at this city and this time the curfew is working and the community is engaging, the elders as i said last night are really tugging the young people by the sleeve and saying there's a better way to handle this. >> chris is out in the crowd and with the congressman elijah. >> reporter: they are announcing success and that they got people home and without police force and by collective conscience. >> let's listen to it. >> as you can see, both of them now have gone home and we want to thank baltimore agren peacefully demonstrateing and as the congressman has said we will not rest until we get justice for freddy gray we will not rest until there is a full clear, transparent investigation of our police department as well as the police are who involved in it death of freddy gray and the practices that are currently going on that allow people go nothing to custody end up dead. we don't ever want to have that kind of discussion again. we don't want to see another individual get cornered in that type of situation. it doesn't matter what the issue was, we [ inaudible ]. >> having a bit of issue with chris's connection. >> baltimore, thank you for being patient and understand that investigations take time and as they have already said we have two federal investigations going on. we're going to make what needs to be right in baltimore. as congressman has already told me we're going to continue to look at what is happening in our city in terms of economic development and we're going to make sure we force money up into this part of town we're going to make sure that our children this summer are working and we're going to put the kind of emphasis on this side of the city as we do on [ inaudible ] and that is valuable to us as is -- >> that is the state senator speaking in the community as well as elijah comings. we apologize but there are so many people trying to get signals and the internet connection is a bit spotty and the reason he can get through that crowd is because he's on broad band. and still right now, some folks out in the street but this is much better than what people had expected and probably as good as they would like it. you heard them saying they want to focus on the investigation. >> i think the curfew is working, it worked last night. and we saw a large group of people behind us and that has now dissipated. and we're seeing leadership leadership in the communities. and that's what we need to see, we have elijah someone i know i think quelling the fears. because what i've heard these past couple of days is the ritsz have taken away the focus from what the protesters were initially seeking, which is justice. they wanted answers and i think what we're seeing is a return to focus and perhaps more peace. >> it's interesting that these guys are able to with the help of law enforcement, get a handle on the young people and also the rowdy folks in a way that they weren't able to do in certain cities and that's because if you look at the mom, right. when that mom got on that kid and he's back away going mom okay i'm sorry and these folks are doing the same thing with the community leaders. >> and that's what community is all about. i know when i was that prosecutor's office we changed our tactic. when the communities know that you care when they have a face to the name of the officer or prosecutor it goes back to what policing was initially about and that's sort of the beat cop and that's what i have always found effective. so when you have a congressman and state senator explaining that they are there for the community and going to get answers and justice. that is tip clayypically what happens with older members and younger members who have felt helpless. people have said why would young people damage their own neighborhoods? it's helplessness that we were seeing. >> and 22 minutes after the top of the hour and that's a crowd in baltimore what you see right there, that light, obviously, the license from the cameras, but they're focusing on the community leaders out in that crowd addressing not only the media but addressing people in the community, some of the people who wanted to stay past that cowerurfew and that is really what is making a difference here and we have correspondents all over baltimore. and it's interesting you're seeing fights among people in the neighborhood and you're seeing arrests in new york city. >> different city different situation. and these are emerging situations in new york city. and they certainly have a unique challenge. in baltimore, a couple of days ago, it was about resources what i hear from folks in baltimore, it is about enforcement and housing and education, it's about addiction and mental health services and when they can focus using the same time, same place strategy positive substantive change can happen. and the first order of leadership is provide a safe place to live and i underscore the term "safe." >> and we have to give kudos to the police officers who have been working day and night. especially in the evening. we all know it's difficult to do crowd kre control when the sun goes down and we have seen restraint restraint, which is different than what we saw in ferguson which exacerbated the crowds we were there in ferguson. but they are showing force but not engaging when unnecessary and i think that's what led to the pieceeacefulness and community in involvement involvement. >> i have an interview that is close to one of the officers that was involved in the apprehension of freddy gray and i think she gives me great insight on that stuff. but i need to report this is from the washington post. a prisoner who road in that police van with gray told investigators he could hear him banging against the walls and believe he was quote intentionally trying to injure himself. that according to an investigative document obtained by the post. now the prisoner was separated by metal partition and could not see him. and again, that information is coming from the washington post. and i spoke with someone who has knowledge with someone inside of that van and gives a similar story. and you can watch that, that's coming up in just a few moments on cnn. you don't want to misthat. what do you make of that information, sunny? >> i think it underscores how difficult this investigation is going to be. everybody is looking for an answer on friday -- >> but that he intentionally injured himself. >> and that is coming from someone not in direct vision of him but was in the van, so that is someone's opinion of what was going on and then we're going to have other poens s opinions of what was going on. >> how important is that? >> i think that's something the prosecutor will look at but they have to look that forensics. but if the autopsy report shows a severed spine, it's going to be difficult to somebody to believe anyone could sever their own spine. >> is this consistent with what authorities have said that he was trying to injure himself or that he was being unruly in the back of the van? >> i have heard them say is that they felt there should have been medical attention called before he was put in the van and i heard authorities say he was not seatbelted 234inside the van but whether he tried to injure or escape himself, i think that needs to be investigated. >> have you seen people get in the back of vans and do what the post is alleging? >> you've had people trying to escape and i'm not saying he could escape but in their minds potentially they might believe that. i have seen that happen in the past and i don't know what happened in this place, but folks who have their freedom taken away do many different things. >> one person said they were not seatbelted and it's an unwritten rule that they usually aren't seatbelted. she shed light on we go places you have not gone in this investigation and i think it's going to be very interesting for people to hear that. if that is the case as an attorney or law enforcement, that they didn't belt him in the a back of that van, does that expose police to the department to anything? >> i think there would be expoeser there certainly because it's whether or not -- there's civil liability or criminal liability. and that's intentional. it's intentional. so if it was intentional, that he was not belted that's going to be problem. >> for sure. i think it's going to be lookedalitylooked ality at forrom a criminal standpoint. and some officers report and maybe this is a call for them to take a hard look that criminal transport vehicles. there should be recording, audio and visual so we know what happens. we know what resources you can afford but at the end of the day, we do need wait for this investigation. there could be a lot of reasons that many different things happen. >> and 10:28 and a curfew went into place here in baltimore maryland and you're looking at the pictures there. still, some people out on the streets, not nearly as many as last night. it looks like they are dispersing and the community leaders, along with law no enforcement, of course and the sit a ecity city's leaders are helping. and the post is reporting that someone who was in the van that it appears to them that he tried to injure himself in the back of that van, that he was acting in ways that other person thought he was trying to injure himself. i want to get to cnn's brian todd who has more information on the tactics with dealing with the situation going forward. >> reporter: dorngsn, as far as the optics of the situation are concerned, a fairly dramatic different tact. again, as we've been reporting, this has been a flash point of the violence and unrest here. but just a short time ago, along these streets, it's kind of empty here now in the middle but just a short time ago, there were large columns of police multiple layers deep in the middle of this street and the middle of the cross street. they have now shifted. look at wrhere they are now. they are lining themselves on this side of north avenue. i asked the police commander just a short time ago why they made that shift and he said just to give a softer look and again, the police being extremely conscious of what's gone on and they are paying attention to the dynamics of this neighborhood and that's why they're doing this. they're lining the sidewalks, they're not in the middle not being confrontational and i can tell you last night, in the middle of the curfew the police got out of here fairly quickly and it was eerily quiet and empty. so, this was the shifting dynamic of police shifting their tactics tonight to give a softer look to this intersection that has seen so much trouble in the last few days. >> brian todd good information. thank you very much. new tactics for police here. this is how police dealt with people who wouldn't go home last night. a protester later identified by joseph kent and pushed into a humvee and held on a charge of a curfew violation. his attorney joins us now. it let's watch what happened last night as we were live on the air and then we'll talk about it. you see him. >> but he walks across with his hands up. >> what was he trying to accomplish by walking in front of officers? >> he's a well known community activists. he got national attention when he did very much the same thing during the baltimore's response to the ferguson protest. he's gone as a peace maker and when you listen on the audio, he's heard telling people to disperse and go home and t him so much positive attention in the fall. >> but officers on the other side when he walked on to the street here last night, this is where rocks and things were being thrown, so police may have thought he was part of the crowd and he is walking with his hands up but he's talking to media and telling them to go home. we have every right to be there. >> but what it doesn't show is him telling protesters the same thing. a helicopter unlawfully made an announcement media, leave the area immediately. they almost immediately rescinded that order but what his position was was the protesters that were beginning to get hostile, he obviously, the press has a right to be there but his opinion was is that it was making it worse because it was egging people on because they wanted to get on camera and he's a peace maker. >> i spoke with two people who knew him and they said he's a good guy but said he should have had his but at home last night. >> he went out there to try to settle things down. and the last thing he wanted was anymore violence and he was trying to stop it. >> so did he explain that to police and they still arrested him and he's still involved -- >> he's still in jail right now and we're working hard to expu expudite -- he hasn't even been seen by the commissioner yet. and there was a huge uproar i see i was getting thousands and thousands of twitter requests to vaf verify he was safe because of the nature of them taking him. and we had a face-to-face talk and he said he's physically okay not injured, he's safe in there. he's eager to get out and we hope that happens very rapidly but what he wanted me to tell people to most is that he didn't want violence in his name and when he heard all the messages i was getting in the thousands -- >> so the people i speak to who knew him today didn't know the whole story. >> you could also say anyone who does something brave to try to do something good for others should have their but home. >> and that's what i'm saying he's trying to do something good and in his estimation he's trying to do a service. >> he can't help but do things good for his community and he's trying to do that. and whether or not he should be home is a discussion for another day. and someone who was trying to do something good in the face of something bad and i think we should respect that. >> he's a college sophomore and he protested during the ferguson -- >> not only protested but he was woun one of the people getting national attention for urging peace and calm and restraint and that's who he is and what he wants. he loves this community and loves the western and trying to keep the peace. >> what was his reaction immediately when that humvee came toward him? >> he said he barely knew anything until he was swarmed by officers. he said he didn't hear or see the humvee. the reason i've been out at the protests was to teach people from a constitutional perspective what they can do to keep people safe. >> he walked towards the media and then right in front of the officers do you think they thought there was a threat even though his hands were up? >> what anyone knows about peaceful protest is you tell people put your hands up if you have to approach the line you put your hands up -- >> so he's walking here and -- >> his hands are already up and he's walk slowly because he wants them to know he's not a threat. i don't know if you have the audio here but you can hear him say, can everybody here me can everybody here me? disperse. and thats are what we coach people on how to engage in a peaceful protest. but he sounds like he knows what he's doing in a peaceful protest. >> he's walking in front of the police there are no people there. there aren't any protesters or people who appear to be violating the curfew and he's walking in front. >> and that's a strategy. what he did was he walked the whole line so they would see him being peaceful and nonaggressive and then he comes back. because let me ask you this for what reason would he want to provoke officers and then come back and tell everybody -- >> i agree with you. and do you feel that this was excessive on the part of police? >> at this point, the humvee pulled in between the cameras and my client. i don't know if that was intentional, if it was, it was a great tactic. and i don't know if that was intentional or not. >> i believe it would be intentional. >> well my goal is to get my client free and i don't want to engage in anything that might exacerbate the situation. >> not guilty to -- what's next? >> i'm going to have to discuss that with him. our discussion was centered almost exclusively on his freedom. >> and it they just can't get to it with the uprising and the number of arrested. >> that's right. and the bail review hearings were shut down. >> he doesn't have one set yet. >> there's been a lot of interest and we're glad to get you on and we hope he's out soon and will come and speak to us as well and we'll of him the opportunity who asks why he did what he did. >> he would welcome that and he loves this community. >> thank you very much. listen we want to get back out to new york city because there are a large number of arrests out there. what can you tell us alexandra? >> reporter: this is 42nd. you can see police are still standing by. there is still a group of protesters and matching through much of the city growing and shrinking at various times p. and some of them simply venting towards one another and also towards police officers. we saw the first arrests made down on 17th street and we saw more when we were over on 8th avenue. and the times where we've seen police really step in have bhin the protesters have gone into the road. we've seen them many times walking against traffic. and they said, get in the street everyone we're in this together. the police have been drawing very firm line that they are not going to allow people into the streetsz streets. they have used their mopeds to get people on the sidewalk. the group did splinter when initial arrests were made but people have been calling each other up and encouraging people to keep this alive tonight. we saw a lot of demonstrations han over the winter and you were out for that. we saw people come out and protest in the wake of eric garner and they say they need to continue to be heard. the group certainly quieting down. we have seen them much more in impassioned through much of the evening. >> we'll get back to you. keep an eye on new york. and we are live in baltimore. we have a lot more to come tonight. a city under curfew for a second night in a row. almost 45 minutes past the hour now and again, under curfew. i want you to pay attention to what is going to happen next because everyone has been talking about what happened inside the van and what took so long to get medical attention, a was he seatbelted? 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>> reporter: don, another illustration of how quickly the dynamic on the street can change. we were just asked to move to the side because they're opening up this section of the police to regular city traffic and there it is a city bus, not in service but you have some of the police and media vehicles leaving. you have other vehicles moving through and they're trying to get back to norm aels and they're trying to open up this section to traffic and this is much earlier than they did last night. it's at least an hour earlier than they did last night. the police told us they wanted a softer look so had their police officers move to the sidewalk and now, look at this there were officers ringing that part of the sidewalk just a moment ago. they're gone. so it's about a 3rd1/3 the side that it was a moment ago. and opening up this street to traffic now and they are trying to get this back to normal as quickly as possible and earlier than last night. >> brian todd okay. stand by. i want everyone to pay attention to this. because this is as much information as we have gotten. baltimore trying to calm the anger over the arrest and death of freddy gray. the washington post is reporting right now that a prisoner who road in the police van with gray said that he could hear gray banging around and said that he sounded like he was quote trying to injure himself. the prisoner was separated from gray by a metal partition and could not see him in that van but tonight, we are hearing the story from one of the officers in that arrest a family member who asked us not to show her face. she wanted to share with us what the officer has said about what happened. she said the officer did not ask her to approach us but she believes it is the right thing to do. we know her identity and her relationship to the officer but we have agreed not to disclose that. we talked to her a short time ago. why are you coming forward? >> because no one else is speak up for the officers that were involved. nobody's standing up for the officers any of them and that's just not right. >> and the person that you are directly related to is? >> african american. >> what did he say happened? >> he believes whatever happened to buildmr. gray happened before he was transported. >> someone was saying he was in the back going crazy. >> he was irate and cursing, yelling and he was kicking. and that's what was heard. >> what happened first? was he secured first? >> he was placed into the wagon with cuffs, not shaqckledshackled he was shackled later in route to where they were going and they had to stop and at that point they shackled him and the officers who placed him in the back of the wagon and shackled him did not seatbelt him. it's an unspoken rule that when someone is irate, you don't reach over someone that's irate because they still have a mouth and they don't have a muzzle so they can bite you and spit in your face. so you have to get in close proximity to someone in order to seatbelt them. >> it has been said that the person driving the van or that they will give them a rough ride just because they gave them so much trouble being arrested sometimes. did this happen in this case? >> how could they do that when the arresting officers actually have to call just like they call for back up a paddy wagon isn't right there when they arrest someone. so, that officer doesn't know what transpired before he got there and he's not involved in trying to chase this gentleman or man handle him. he's transportation. so when he arrives, that's basically all that he's supposed to do and so how can anyone say that it was a rough enough ride for this gentleman as injured as he was and if he was injured in the wagon, then why wasn't the other gentleman injured as well when he's given the statement. why can't they figure out why this gentleman was injured when he was being chased or where he was injured. there are a million cameras everywhere. >> do you think they're hiding something? >> yes i do. what would be . >> what would be the reason? >> because if they tell the whole story, then what do they do about all this stuff that transpired up to this point? there's been a riot a curfew -- >> all right. apparently there was an issue with that interview. we'll try to get you the rest of it. there's many more minutes of that interview. but she also spoke about she believes he was injured before he was picked up and she says that the officer believes he was injured before he was picked up. probably in the initial scuffle with police and so that officer believes that the officers before them injured the gentleman, admitting that it was probably excessive force. i want to bring back in sunny, you know we're in the middle of the interview and it broke off, but what do you make of -- this is her version of her relative's account. >> this underscores for me as a prosecutor how difficult this case is. when you see the initial video t was clear to many people he was injured, he seemed to be screaming in pain and seemingly dragged to the van almost like a rag doll. many people said he was standing on the bumper of that van, i didn't see that. i saws someone in pain being assisted into the van. but now you have these different versions of events coming from several different people and that is it case that the prosecutor is going to get. so for all the people saying we want an indictment on friday that isn't going to happen because that prosecutor has to grapple with all thoizse things. and it's not always what happened it's what you can prove. >> she believes that the officers in this particular case initially they were trying to protect them but then after the information of the investigation doesn't appear at this point doesn't appear to go in the direction favorable to the officers that's the city leadership switched sides, change their story because it would not be politically benefit them. what creedancy do you put into that? >> i think there are going to be a lot of conspiracy theorists. and it shows you how difficult this case is going to be when handled over to the prosecution. >> when i listen to the woman talk about the facts, is it possible it could have happened that way? absolutely. i talked to the specialist in spine and neck areas and they have told me that there could have been an injrbury on the street which ultimately brought the gentleman to the hospital. there are a lot of angles to this story. more angles to take a hard look at and everything from the initial reasonable suspicion up to and leading to the arrest and the transport before they called the paramedics. and justice cuts many different ways and this needs to be a very objective situation so everybody gets treated fairly. >> and also we're watching the streets of new york city of washington d.c. and of course, of baltimore maryland almost an hour after a second night of curfew has gone into place. we'll be right back. when it comes to vaping, vuse has changed the game. vuse digital vapor cigarettes designed and assembled in the usa. our smart micro-processor controls heat and power up to 2,000 times a second for superior vapor. and our v-liquid is blended by our experts at r.j. reynolds for great taste satisfaction. vuse. for a perfect puff. first time. every time. if you struggle with type 2 diabetes you're certainly not alone. fortunately, many have found a different kind of medicine that lowers blood sugar. imagine what it would be like to love your numbers. discover once-daily invokana®. it's the #1 prescribed in the newest class of medicines that work with the kidneys to lower a1c. invokana® is used along with diet and exercise to significantly lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes. it's a once-daily pill that works around the clock. here's how: the kidneys allow sugar to be absorbed back into the body. invokana® reduces the amount of sugar allowed back in and sends some sugar out through the process of urination. and while it's not for weight loss, it may help you lose weight. invokana® can cause important side effects including dehydration, which may cause you to feel dizzy, faint, lightheaded, or weak especially when you stand up. other side effects may include kidney problems, genital yeast infections urinary tract infections changes in urination high potassium in the blood, or increases in cholesterol. do not take invokana® if you have severe kidney problems or are on dialysis. stop taking and call your doctor right away if you experience symptoms such as rash, swelling, or difficulty breathing or swallowing. tell your doctor about any medical conditions medications you are taking and if you have kidney or liver problems. using invokana® with a sulfonylurea or insulin may increase risk of low blood sugar. it's time. lower your blood sugar with invokana®. imagine loving your numbers. there's only one invokana®. ask your doctor about it by name. this is cnn breaking news. >> it is 11:00 p.m. here in baltimore. a city under a curfew until 5:00 a.m. and m

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to begin this hour in baltimore. and police say they expect large crowds. there's tension in the streets of baltimore once again with police and national guard troops lining those streets and community leaders linking arms to keep a lid on the situation, the violence that began raging 48 hours ago clearly has faded, arrests have plummeted. maryland's governor says baltimore has kurndturned the corner. an overnight curfew remains in effect. the potential for ubnrest remains very real. our correspondents and guests are standing by with the late-breaking developments. brian todd is on the scene in baltimore. brian? >> reporter: wolf we're at the epicenter of where the violence occurred, this is pennsylvania and north avenue. you'll notice looking around here no visible police presence now. not sure if that will stay the case tonight. we'll see what happens later on tonight. you have street speakers speaking over here. but protests are planned later this hour, a protest march downtown. we're going to be there. also police and local residents hoping for a peaceful night tonight but everybody around here understanding that the anger in the streets still has not dissipated. on the streets, a sense that this city is still very much on edge. protesters picket the state's attorney's office, demanding justice for freddie gray. police are maintaining a strong presence trying to make sure whatever comes next is more like tuesday night than monday night. >> we have resources staged throughout the city obviously we're monitoring social media. we have extensive resources that are on the ground. >> reporter: but not everyone followed the mandatory curfew last night. joseph kent was out in the streets after curfew. he walked back and forth in front of the police lines. suddenly a military humvee pulls alongside of him. at the same time the police line opens up and kent is grabbed and arrested. what do you make of that tactic? >> very smart. that's how you train. and what i mean you're trained to make arrests as quickly as possible. the longer it goes the more chance of someone getting hurt the more chance of others joining in. >> reporter: tuesday night, the police were prepared just over 30 arrests compared to over 200 from monday night. we spoke with residents of the neighborhood where the rioting was worse, asking if they thought the 10:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. curfew was a good idea. >> i think it was right because the only thing you're doing, you're tearing up your own neighborhood. >> reporter: should they have done the curfew or not? >> no, 10:00? we're grown. >> reporter: the co-owner of this discount store says he needs the curfew. he showed us surveillance video of his store getting ransacked for two hours on monday night. he said he lost over $22,000 worth of goods. and today one thing was missing from the baltimore orioles versus chicago white sox baseball game -- fans. in a historic and controversial move major league baseball banned fans from the game citing safety concerns. >> a few people decided to send out some instagram messages and say, hey camden yards, such and such a time. and then all of a sudden you've got hundreds or thousands of people converging on camden yards. there's no way you can respond quickly to that. >> reporter: and right now, baltimore police are all about sending the message that they are looking to get out ahead of whatever happens on these streets tonight and the rest of this week after finally gaining the upper hand on tuesday night. wolf? >> brian, we'll stay in close touch with you, thank you. organizers are calling for new protests this hour. let's bring in cnn's miguel marquez also on the streets of baltimore, different location. miguel, what's happening where you are? >> reporter: we're very near to where he is. but i think people on the streets here and in this neighborhood in gilmore homes want ways to have their voices heard. they are frustrated and angry. the curfew is a way of, they feel sort of shutting them down. so the protests will be akin to what we've seen over the last few nights. people marching in the streets angrily, loudly but peacefully. this intersection was shut down yesterday, sort of a carnival combined with a political rally combined with a protest. today is open and business as normal. people have come up to this intersection from montgomery county here this group take up to do tykeae kwon do and chess. on monday night, people came up from washington, d.c. to -- impromptu jobs fair. out of the chaos, order, perhaps. i think people are optimistic cautiously so that tonight may not be quite as difficult as last night in enforcing the curfew and in future nights to come, that things will start to grow. but i think we have a couple of days yet before anybody is going to be able to breathe out with complete comfort. >> we're showing your viewers the protesters marching down charles street. they're carrying banners, signs, very peaceful right now. they're moving forward. there you see that march. probably going to gain people as they continue their march here on charles street right now. the events that you're seeing over there, miguel it's obviously day three, shall we say, very, very quiet so far. the curfew remains in effect going into next week, right? >> reporter: it does. and it's not going to be well-received in this neighborhood. they didn't like it last night. they don't like to be told sort of when to go to their homes. the reason you had the atmosphere that you had out here last night was -- or yesterday all day yesterday was because they wanted to show police who were lined up across pennsylvania avenue blocking flow of north avenue which is a major thoroughfare here that they wanted to show police that this was their neighborhood. i think the protests you'll see tonight will be much of the same. but as you know, in these situation, they can get out of control very quickly. everybody is watching everybody and every move very closely. so i think both the city the police and the protesters, they're all sort of doing this dance. and we will see if it continues down that way and if they can continue to dance or if it turns into something more. >> let's hope it's a quiet, peaceful demonstration which is everyone's right in this country. miguel marquez, thanks very much. we'll stay in touch with you. joining us now is nick mosby who represents the district where a lot of the violence took place. nick thanks very much for joining us. you welcome the fact this curfew will continue for the next few days right? >> yeah, i think it's important. we can't be overly optimistic about what took place yesterday. we have to continue to bring calm to our constituents to our most vulnerable folks in the community. and i think the curfew worked last night. the enforcement worked last night and we have to continue to do it until we're out of this dark period in baltimore's history. >> and everything you're hearing -- we see a lot of folks walking down charles street -- is going to be peaceful, it's not going to turn violent, right? >> yeah. i would hope that -- about 90% of all the demonstrations that have taken place for the past two weeks have been very peaceful. and the expectation is they'll continue to be the same way. i hope we're past what we saw monday night. and i hope we have the tactical operations in place to ensure that if anything comes about, it won't escalate like we saw on monday. >> baltimore police are expected to send the freddie gray investigation findings the preliminary report friday to the state attorney's office. your wife happens to be the state's attorney. i know you have no involvement in her offices. but sources tell us at cnn it's far from a clear-cut case. evan perez, our justice reporter, has learned that. you're a councilman. how concerned are you about how baltimore residents may react, their expectations if we don't learn a whole lot more let's say this friday when this preliminary report is handed over to the state's attorney? >> wolf i think the most important thing is that from a communications perspective the police department are transparent to the level that they need to be transparent to the citizens. you have a seemingly healthy 25-year-old man who seems suspicious to the police they ensue, they chase him, detain him, arrest him. and immediately the community doesn't necessarily get the information that they're looking for while they know that this young man is laying in a shock trauma bed. i think that was the crux of the matter associated with the initial onset of the protests. that's the type of information the folks want the know. they want to really know what took place on that particular day. >> do you think we're going to get that on friday? >> i would hope so. i know that the police have been working around the clock. i know the department of justice are doing their own independent civil rights investigation. and i know the state's attorney's office has been working around the clock to do their own investigation. so i think the answers or the facts that can be communicated out to the public will eventually get there. i think it's critically important that as a public servant, we ensure the communication is getting out through the right mediums at the right time. i think we haven't done necessarily the best job of that in the past but we have to ensure we're proactive about it for friday and the coming weeks. >> i want you to stand by nick mosby, baltimore city councilman. we have more questions for you. we're watching the demonstration now. it's peaceful. they're going down charles street in baltimore. we'll take a quick break. much more right after this. big day? 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"the baltimore sun" reports that freddie gray was not the first to sustain serious injuries from inside a baltimore police van. they've reported what they describe as years of police abuse in baltimore. so explain why the anger now, why freddie gray was the tipping point? >> i think he was the tipping point because at the end of the day, again, a seemingly healthy 25-year-old man goes on a chase and then 40 minutes later is basically paralyzed with a severe spine -- that's troublesome. police didn't necessarily have the immediate information of why he was chased or what he was ultimately charged for and arrested for. and i think that just grew concern. it happened on that sunday. i got calls to my office that monday morning regarding the incident and we immediately started to look into it. at the end of the day, folks are tired, they're fed up. the one thing about this particular movement, it transcends race and age, it transcends so much. so many different folks are joining the movement of fairness and equality associated with this thing. we understand and know that urban enclaves like where mr. freddie gray lived are really disproportionately impacted by the criminal justice system and unfortunately there are thousands upon thousands of freddie grays and a lot of them have been joining the movement. i think that's one of the key things that we take away from this time. hopefully this is a defining moment not just in the city of baltimore but in america as a whole. >> the new attorney general of the united states loretta lynch, she spoke out today on what's going on in baltimore. she called the violence that occurred senseless acts of violence and said it represented a grave danger to the entire community and that all of that must stop. what's your reaction to what you heard from the attorney general? she was only sworn in, as you know, on monday. >> well this is a critical issue for her. and she's dead-on. this is senseless violence. and it must stop. we must develop the type of policies and procedures to ensure that we have tactical forces to ensure we don't do this. we can't continue to be erupted like we did on monday. it's not good for us as a community and as america. but bigger than that it's not necessarily the what, it's the why. i think that's where we have to go and look at the root cause of what's going on. and i think urban america is speaking out when you look at places like baltimore, folks are tired. these young guys are tired of carrying their father's weight tired of carrying their grandfather's weight. these are decades-old systemic problems. it's the young folks that drive change. and i think that's what they're showing us in these protests and this movement. >> i read an important article in "the baltimore sun" today by michael fletcher who's lived in baltimore for 30 years. he says for all practical purposes there are two baltimore, a more affluent baltimore but then a very very poor baltimore. i suspect that's the situation in a lot of major cities around the united states right now. but talk about the two baltimores. >> it's truly a tale of two cities. this is not a baltimore thing. this is just an american big city thing. it's interesting when you drive through the city of baltimore, literally you can go from block to block from an affluent area to an area that has significant troubles and hardships. we have continued to do an excellent job of building up our downtown area around the harbor spreading out the harbor into a project called harbor point. and many folks say we're continuing building downtown, let's start building uptown. that's a lot of the frustration we're seeing specifically in the central west baltimore corridor and throughout the city. i think the infrastructure is here. the interest is here. the one thing, we're at a time when interest rates are probably as low as they'll be in my lifetime. there's a lot of time there's a lot of attention and a lot of energy in building back cities like baltimore. and i think that we need to just develop those innovative and creative ways to build back our communities, provide the right infrastructure and the right opportunities for the folks in those communities. >> nick mosby, baltimore sounlmansounlcity councilman thanks for joining us. the nation's attorney general calling the rioting that occurred monday night a grave danger. we dig deeper to expose the root causes of the mistrust under way between the baltimore community and the local police. i'm caridee. i've had moderate to severe plaque psoriasis most of my life. but that hasn't stopped me from modeling. my doctor told me about stelara® it helps keep my skin clearer. with only 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses... ...stelara® helps me be in season. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and increase your risk of infections. some serious infections require hospitalization. before starting stelara® your doctor should test for tuberculosis. stelara® may increase your risk of cancer. always tell your doctor if you have any sign of infection have had cancer, or if you develop any new skin growths. do not take stelara® if you are allergic to stelara® or any of its ingredients. alert your doctor of new or worsening problems including headaches, seizures, confusion and vision problems. these may be signs of a rare potentially fatal brain condition. serious allergic reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you or anyone in your house needs or has recently received a vaccine. in a medical study most stelara® patients saw at least 75% clearer skin and the majority were rated as cleared or minimal at 12 weeks. stelara® helps keep my skin clearer. ask your doctor about stelara®. we never thought we'd be farming wind out here. it's not just building jobs here it's helping our community. siemens location here has just received a major order of wind turbines. it puts a huge smile on my face. cause i'm like 'this is what we do.' the fact that iowa is leading the way in wind energy i'm so proud, like it's just amazing. we were below the 88th southern parallel. we had traveled for over 850 miles. my men driven nearly mad from starvation and frostbite. today we make history. >>bienvenidos! welcome to the south pole! if you're dora the explorer, you explore. it's what you do. >>what took you so long? 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>> we don't just pay attention to these communities when a cvs burns. and we don't just pay attention when a young man gets shot or has his spine snapped. >> i'm telling you, baltimore can happen anywhere and you've got people looking at us right now saying, that will never happen in my community. but, yes, it will. >> that report from our own don lemon. elijah cummings the congressman from baltimore, obviously very emotional, very passionate on this issue. joining us now in "the situation room," our cnn law enforcement analyst, the former fbi assistant director tom fuentes, investigative reporter mark punte, who has work exposed the baltimore police department using undue force, sunny hostin and pamela brown. i want all of you to stand by. i want to go back to brian todd. brian, you're marching with those protesters. what's happening? brian, i don't know if you can hear me. hell us what's going on. >> reporter: wolf this is a group of marchers that started back in the gilmore area neighborhood of baltimore, walking along st. paul street here towards penn station, making a lot of noise. we are told this is a group of mostly students leading this rally. don't know exactly which student is the march leader. we'll find that out in a few minutes hopefully. but they've been walking a long way. and this is a common refrain from the people who have been marching in favor of justice for freddie gray justice for some of the other victims of police violence. very familiar refrain here. and if experience serves us well they're going to be marching a long way tonight, going to pennsylvania station right now. they're going to hold a gathering to gather more protesters and they plan on marching to city hall. usually they cover a lot of ground, wolf. so we're going to see where they go after they get to city hall sometimes it gets a little bit more -- a little less structured at that point. and then we start following them. they may go back up to the gilmore neighborhood. we'll see where it goes from here. >> and obviously what's on a lot of people's minds is that 10:00 p.m. curfew that goes into effect tonight. right now, they're heading towards city hall or penn station? >> reporter: they're going to penn station because that's where they plan to start their march at 5:45 p.m. eastern. obviously they've started it a lot sooner. they've picked up people along the way. trying to gauge how many they've got here. at least a couple hundred extending back at least one block. so pretty sizable group of marchers here in keeping with what's been happening over the past week. we've caught several of these over the past week all very spirited. they have some anger, they have some passion, very large but peaceful crowd just about every time we've marched with these folks. >> are these high school students college students? they seem very young. >> reporter: we are told that they are mostly college students. again, i've just kind of gotten together with them here. we just caught up to them on the street and we are trying to find out exactly which student leader is kind of organizing this and leading it. we'll try to talk to that person as soon as we can. >> brian, stand by. we'll continue to follow the march together with you. cedric alexander, for police -- and you're the president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives it's a sensitive moment right now. you allow the peaceful protests to go forward but you have to make sure they remain peaceful so you keep a distance is that what you need to do right now? >> certainly you do. what you want to allow people to do is exercise their first amendment right such as what we see here. we don't necessarily have to like what people are saying but they have the right to march and to march peacefully. as long as they're allowed to do that and it's a measured approach by the police department which is there for the safety of everyone that's involved if we can continue in that tempo, allow people to be able to march, that's a good thing. >> pamela brown, you're getting new information on the investigation into freddie gray's death, right? >> absolutely wolf. as it turns out, the investigation is far from over. my colleague, evan perez, has been on the ground there talking to officials. and he's been told that this is not clear cut. there seems to be a disparity on the perception on the streets in baltimore of what's going to happen and where things stand in the investigation. after all, we still don't even have the medical examiner's report which could really hold the key in determining what caused freddie gray's death. that is key here but we know the initial report the preliminary report the baltimore police have been putting together will be handed over to the state's attorney's office on friday. and then the investigation will enter into the next phase, the consideration of whether these officers involved will be charged. >> the state's attorney, correct me if i'm wrong, cedric will have to make an important decision do they submit the evidence to a grand jury do they convene a grand jury to then begin to look into allegations of wrongdoing on the part of the police officers or does she simply go ahead and file charges? >> that will be her decision based on evidence that's presented to her, whenever that evidence is delivered. she'll make a decision either to go forward with charges -- >> or decide there's not enough evidence -- >> or maybe not enough evidence to do anything. there will be a number of options there which she has to very carefully look at and make a decision on. >> it's a sensitive decision. stand by. brian, i take it some of the protesters have arrived now at penn station? >> reporter: they have arrived at penn station, wolf where another group of protesters has been waiting for them. a very sizable crowd. i'd estimate it at maybe 300 to 400 people at this point, very spirited mostly young pointeople. we are trying to find the organizer. that may become evident pretty soon when somebody steps up and starts leading the chants. >> brian, stand by. we'll get back to you. i want everyone to stand by. we'll resume our special coverage right here in "the situation room." 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>> reporter: wolf we're with two of the organizers of this march. this is tiara and enya. what made you decide to take part in the organization of this march in the first place? >> there were numerous protests going on in the city of baltimore and we feel baltimore is our home, our city. we decided it was time for us to take a stand in solidarity with these communities because of the injustice against a black life anywhere within our city in america is an injustice anywhere. and we feel it is important to take care of it right now. >> reporter: do you feel like with the violence that's taken place in recent nights that the focus has been taken off freddie gray and some of these issues? >> i think it has been. people need to know that baltimore is not violent. we have been under a lot of duress duress. the violence that erupted the other day is reaction in the years and decades of oppression and police brutality. >> reporter: you're going from here and to city hall and then where? >> we're looking for another leader to lead us down there. we really want to make a stand [ inaudible ] -- we will not tolerate [ inaudible ] -- >> reporter: do you feel the city leaders have handled this situation after freddie gray's well not well? what have they done wrong in your view? >> i think the mayor is wrong in calling us thugs. we are students. we are not thugs. we are sidzs we are citizens of the city. >> reporter: have they reacted positively in any way? >> i don't think they have reacted positively. they have not served baltimore the way we would like to see it. you ask a lot of the people who have lived here for decades will also say they are not happy with the mayor calling us thugs [ inaudible ] -- >> reporter: thank you very much for speaking to us. wolf? >> just to point out, the mayor has now apologized for calling some of those rioters thugs. we'll get into that a little bit later. but once again, these are live pictures we're seeing from baltimore, right now protesters converging on penn station, the main train station there, then heading towards city hall. we'll continue to watch it. investigative reporter for "the baltimore sun" is with us, you've done amazing reporting over the years on police brutality in baltimore. give our viewers a little sense of what has been going on in your city. >> "the baltimore sun" did an investigation last year and we showed from 2011 through 2014 the city settled 102 lawsuits and paid out nearly $6 million in brutality cases against their officers. a lot of individuals were injured, anywhere from 87-year-old grandmother down through teenagers. >> and the situation today, has it gotten better based on everything you're seeing over the last year or two? >> after the investigation was published, the justice department agreed to step in at the request of the city to curb some of the misconduct. some reforms have been slow to come forward but they have vowed to curb the abuse by their officers. >> so you were not surprised in the aftermath about what we've learned about freddie gray and the fact that he died in police custody? >> freddie gray's case mirrors a lot of the stories or cases we looked at in our investigation, whether it was questionable probable cause, why they stopped the individual a lot of our findings show individuals had the same charges which were quickly dropped by prosecutors and judges. even the mayor of this city is questioning the probable cause in the freddie gray case. >> tom fuentes, you're on the scene there, you're a former police officer. what have you seen in baltimore for the whole day? >> reporter: most of the day, i've talked to maryland state trooper, members of the national guard and baltimore police including a commander out in front of the cvs store this afternoon. and they've said that the entire strategy for tonight is going to be similar to last night, trying to have a very measured disciplined response with the idea that the troopers and the guardspeople are in the background and can be called out if violence comes up but that they're not going to tolerate what happened monday night where properties are burned and businesses looted and 20 police officers injured and going to the hospital. but they're trying to be very very measured and low key tonight. >> sunny, i know you're friendly with the mayor and you've pointed that out to us. tell us why she felt it was necessary to apologize for using the word "thugs" in describing some of those violent rioters, the arsonists, the looters, if you will. >> well listen i myself have been critical of the mayor in terms of using that word. i think that what we saw when we saw rioters, we saw assault, theft, arson, those are crimes. it's appropriate to call those people criminals. but thugs, in my view -- and i think some others share the opposing view but in my view has become a racialized term. so i think that kind of name-calling isn't helpful in a situation like that. and i think it shows true leadership quite frankly, from the mayor, someone that's able to take criticism, to accept it constructively and then change course. perhaps that's why she changed course. she heard the views of others and of course the views also of the residents and citizens of baltimore because quite frankly many people in baltimore were critical of those comments made by the mayor and she responded. >> the president of the united states also referred to those violent rioters, if you will, as thugs. you think he needs to take back that word? >> well i certainly won't comment on whether or not -- what the president should do. but in my view wolf i do think that the term "thug" recently has become racialized. of course people of all races have been deemed that word and when you look in the dictionary perhaps it's not a racial term but it has been recently i think, racialized and in terms of describing african-american young men as thugs. and i think that we need to move away from that and perhaps then discuss what the actions are. and, yes, we saw crimes being committed, call them criminals, not thugs. >> sunny and everyone else, stand by. the protesters now seem to be moving from penn station towards city hall. we're moving with them. our own brian todd is on the scene. we'll be right back. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. 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raw findings of their investigation into freddie gray's death and arrest. they won't issue a public report. we have news makers standing by as we cover the breaking story. brian todd is marching with the protesters in baltimore. tell us where they are and what's going on. >> reporter: we are still on st. paul street marching toward city hall. i can tell you from covering the marches, this is one of the biggest, energetic marches we have covered. i can't estimate crowd size. it's hard in a situation like that to do that. >> he is just starting to speak. let's get an update from the governor. >> we are going to provide you with an update on police and national guard operations around the city. but, first, let me say that we are very encouraged by what we have seen over the past 24 hours. i started the day at -- >> looks like we lost our connection with the governor. we'll try to reconnect with him. you heard him say they are encouraged. here he is. >> the maryland state police the city from all across our state and even folks from all around the country. these men and women are working incredibly hard with the national guard. i want to thank them including those from out of state. after we hear from -- after we left this morning from the command center we went to sand town which is the neighborhood where freddie gray was from. we met with residents, walked the neighborhoods, we met with neighborhood leaders and leaders of the naacp at their new headquarters which just opened yesterday. we got a chance to talk with people who were among the worst affected by these civil unrests. i can tell you, they were very thankful for the efforts of the national guard and maryland state police. i was also encouraged by the optimism i saw there. and by the number of people out helping in the community. we then went to maryland emergency management agent. we held a cabinet meeting to ensure that every single state agency was trying to provide as much assistance as many resources as they could to the situation here in baltimore and helping people who were most in need. every single state agency is focused on the crisis and providing a number of necessary services and a lot of help that's very much needed in the city. let me also say that the maryland emergency management agency is doing a fantastic job of helping to coordinate critical resources. state, city and allied police along with the national guard are working effectively together to ensure that baltimore's streets are safe. today, children were back in school in baltimore, people were back at work and city residents were cleaning up after monday night's disturbances. we are not out of the woods yet. the state continues to utilize law enforcement assets from every corner of the state and from other states. >> looks like we lost our connection once again with the governor. i think he's back. >> we have in place approximately 2,000 members of the maryland national guard and over 1,000 -- over 1,000 state troopers and other allied law enforcement officers including officers from montgomery an annarundel and others. this combined force will not tolerate the violence or looting, which has led to the destruction of property and put innocent marylanders at risk. there are peaceful protests happening tonight. we want to make sure individuals can exercise their first amendment rights and express their concerns. we also want to stress and remind everyone that there is a 10:00 p.m. curfew in place in the city and i urge everyone in baltimore to get off the streets at 10:00. when the streets are clear, police and national guard can do their jobs. the vast majority of people in the city are being extremely helpful and cooperative. people are picking up bags and brooms and cleaning up. parents are keeping kids at home and off the streets and community leaders who have been so helpful to us in keeping the peace and urging people to protest in a peaceful non-violent way have been urging people to head home before the curfew. across maryland we are seeing the work of people who are urging another quiet night like we had last night. the governor's office of community initiatives and the governor's office of service and volunteerism organized 2600 volunteers people from all across maryland who love the city of baltimore and wanted to pitch in and help. we have launched m.d.aryland marylandunited.com to get information on state services and how to volunteer and contribute and donate to various charities. we are all working together and we will continue to be here until the threat of violence ends. our primary mission is to maintain order and to begin to repair the damage inflicted by the violence and looting from earlier in the week. baltimore families deserve peace and safety in their community and we are working together very hard to ensure that. at this point, i'm going to turn the podium over to general sing then the colonel who will talk about the actions. then we would be happy to take your questions. general? >> thank you, governor. first, i would like to say i'm just getting back in from actually talking to a number of the support that we have out there. that not only includes my soldiers that are out there, my airmen that are out there, but all the folks from the state police all the folks from baltimore city, all the folks from all the jurisdictions and other states that have provided support. i'm going to tell you something, they are not only high speed, they are what i call -- in army terms, that means they are ready to stand tall shoulder by shoulder to ensure we are taking care of our city. so when i think about here and what the colonel and baltimore city team put together and how they moved out with us in support, this needs to be a model we continue to work on and refine for every other exercise we need to do for every other mission that we need to do because the cooperation and the support that i am seeing here that's the cooperation and support that we need in the communities within the folks, that's the patience we need from the communities so that we can get through this get back to business and take care of the challenges that we need to bring to the table for a discussion. i just hope that we remember that trying to change culture, trying to change habits does not happen overnight. it's not going to be solved overnight. we have absolutely a lot more work we need to do. i'm asking you to be patient, protest peacefully go to sleep at 10:00, because i would like to go to sleep at 10:00 tonight and let's get on with business. >> thank you. colonel? >> thank you. first of all, the law enforcement community has come together united working together not just from the state of maryland but the state of new jersey. troopers are here the resources they brought in here. metropolitan police department and resources of the national guard to support the entire mission is huge for the state police. you know we walked the general dance as we coordinate this together with lots of moving pieces. the commissioner ask eded deputy davis moving through things to make sure we are on the same sheet of music. we are here to support them. they ultimately are the police department here. we realize that. we are here to support them. it's an issue that grew to something bigger than they could handle. we started to help them through the moving pieces. we continue to follow the peaceful protests. the governor's comments that at 10:00, please observe the curfew go home. it is not our desire to arrest everybody or anybody. please listen to the time go home. we want peace in the city we'll continue to patrol the city until the determination is made that we are not needed anymore. hopefully that's sooner rather than later. we are here to support the city of baltimore. thank you. >> thank you colonel. we would be happy to take any questions. [ inaudible question ] >> no. anybody else? [ inaudible question ] >> well sure we are concerned. obviously, it could have an impact on tourism. obviously, we are losing dollars every day. people are afraid to come into the city. businesses are closed. i believe we have 200 businesses closed. the first lady tonight, by the way, is at two different meetings. nearly half of the businesses are korean businesses. my wife is korean. their businesses were burned or looted. there are a lot of businesses that are hurt. we are losing a lot of money. the city's reputation is being hurt. we have to give people money. working to give the businesses money from the claims they don't have. we are working with the small business administration for people that need money. people that need assistance in housing when their homes were burned. tourism is critical to the city. baltimore is a beautiful, wonderful place. we are going to get back to normal. i saw great things people should be proud of in the city. we are going to get back to the baltimore we love. [ inaudible question ] >> i would say this is not representative of the way things usually are in baltimore. we are very proud of this city proud of the people of the city. it's going to take us awhile to restore order and get things back to normal and get everybody comfortable again. we are going to do everything we can to bring people back to the city. [ inaudible question ] do you have anything you can say about having troops on the ground in the city giving up freedom -- >> you know what? i spent 48 hours not only you know handling this crisis and organizing this effort in the community, i spent all day today and yesterday all over baltimore city talking with people. all day long nearly every single person i talked to thanked us profusely, thank you for bringing the guard, thank you for bringing the maryland state police. thank you for bringing law and order back to our city. if you remember on monday night, the city was in flames. cars were being exploded. stores were being looted people homes being burnt to the ground. people are happy we are here and things are not like monday night. >> the other day you used the word -- mayor requested the national guard be brought in. have you had time to think about whether the national guard acted fast enough and do you think monday would have happened if things -- >> look this seems to be coming up a lot. i have said over and over again, for the past 48 hours, i have praised the mayor, i thanked her for her efforts. i thought she did a tremendous job. it's not worth arguing over what happened what could have happened. they did as best job they could. they were overwhelmed and undermanned. that doesn't reflect badly on the mayor or the city of baltimore. they didn't have the manpower. we didn't lose a single minute. doesn't matter when a call was made or not. we were prepared and ready a week in advance. it takes eight hours to stand-up the guard. we got it done in three. if she called at 3:00 we were still five hours early. we didn't slow down or miss a beat. by the time we got in there around 9:00 or 10:00, things were calmed down. last night was a dramatically different picture. we are working in conjunction, cooperation with the mayor. we are talking every day. i probably had 100 interviews where i praised her actions and that of a city. we are working as a team. we are here to back up the mayor of baltimore. we are here to support the police department of baltimore. we don't want to waste a lot of time talking about personalities and feelings and who might have been concerned about what. i think it's an excellent operation. we are all working together. i'm proud of the joint effort. [ inaudible question ] >> that was a decision made by the commissioner of baseball it did not include us didn't involve us. we didn't ask for it to happen. i am happy there weren't tens of thousands of fans there. things were peaceful and under control. like the curfew we cleared the streets. having tens of thousands of people at the stadium may not have helped. that's a decision they made. we didn't make the decision. anybody else? [ inaudible question ] >> well you know we have spent -- yesterday, i called together our very first day on the job, in addition to getting the law and order restored i met with faith basted leaders and community leaders from all over the state, i mean all over the city and asked for their input and asked questions on how we could help. today, we met with the neighbors and in the very neighborhood where this started and talked with them. i talked with them, i listened to them. i met with the naacp, i met with church leaders. there are issues that are bigger than what's happening today that have to be resolved. as general singh said they are not going to resolve immediately. after we get the initial crisis taken care of a lot of people need to sit down. it's a problem we have to come up with a solution. i spoke with the attorney general of the united states last night. i spoke with the president yesterday. i spoke with valerie jared at the white house today. we are in constant communication with the city with other states with our local county partners and with the federal aspects as well. i had a conversation with the entire federal delegation that represents maryland and washington. everybody is cooperating. everybody is helping. everybody is very pleased with the success, so far, of this operation and the cooperation and communication we have had. [ inaudible question ] >> well that's a bigger issue we don't have time to discuss today facing this crisis in baltimore. i'm going to focus on keeping baltimore safe then we have have a discussion about society and problems in the united states. [ inaudible question ] >> we are hoping more peace and calm in the streets. we are going to continue to be careful about staying on top of everything that's happening. we are going to continue to meet with community leaders. we are going to continue to make sure we are out there protecting the city. we don't know what is going to happen. there are a number of protests tonight, a number of things taking place. we are urging calm. we are urging peace. we want to make sure there's no violence. we are prepared, if things get out of control like they did monday night. you know things could potentially flair up later in the week. we are going to hope for the best and prepared for the worst. >> last question. any businesses in baltimore -- >> well my primary focus is economic development and trying to bring more jobs more businesses more opportunities and more jobs to baltimore and the state of maryland. this doesn't help. it's something we have to get past. we are going to have to continue to work and focus on the mission, the things the city needs most. a job solves a lot of social ills. we are going to focus on it. we are going to try to first of all, take care of the businesses we have lost here in the city just on monday night, and take care of them. we are going to try to maintain the business zs here in the city and make sure they are successful then try to rebuild the city of maryland. thank you. >> there he is the governor of maryland larry hogan, updating us on what's going on hoping for the best but he's getting ready for the worst, if that were to happen. this is the protest under way in baltimore. brian todd is on the scene for us. where are you now? that protest has been peaceful so far. >> it has been peaceful. we are ahead of the procession at city hall. we have been talking to protest leaders. now we want to talk to rank and file leaders. mary you came out here. she has a serious acl injury. you tore your acl, walking with the help of a cane. what brought you out here? >> my friends are up on the truck. i feel like i have the luxury of being here. people on the ground were killed by the police and police brutality and white supremacy are no longer here. as long as i have an able body -- >> reporter: what message do you want the community to take away from this when the media and crowds leave? >> it's a bigger picture. it's not just freddie gray it's ending white supremacy and equality throughout the nation. >> reporter: very spirited crowd. we are going to the main plaza in front of city hall. i can tell you, it's a crowd of several thousand. we can't get over it now. you get a sense here of the dynamic nature of this crowd. >> the crowd in baltimore. brian, stand by. we are seeing the protesters bringing up a major northeast cities bringing in pictures from crowds in boston new york city as well. let's go to new york city and alexandra field at union square. hundreds of people gathered for a show of support for the people of baltimore. what is their mission here? what are they saying alexandra? >> reporter: this is a crowd that's grown quickly. we are trying to make our way through. it's materialized very quickly. it was advertised on social media when we got here earlier. organizers said this was going to be a place for people to come and gather to express outrage and sadness. they have a full program of speakers. that's what's going on in the background. they have different people stepping up to the mic. the crowd is shouting back. it's a very controlled situation. a respectful crowd. they are people that came to listen and to be heard. a lot of them holding up different signs saying black lives matter no justice, no peace. this wasn't planned, it's intended to be a gathering. the kind of marches that occurred before in this city. this is going to be organic that people are going to do whatever they feel inspired. i do want to highlight the difference that i am seeing out here. union square this is the same spot where we were with our cameras back in the winter when protests erupted all over the city following the death of eric garner. at that time we saw an environment where they came out here and faced off with police in a verbal confrontation. you have seen a line of officers and protesters. they were having a verbal exchange. we are not seeing that out here today. so far new york city verbal confrontations with police officers no physical confrontations with police officers. police are employing a different tactic than in the winter. before the protest started, police brought vans set up a loud speaker. they warned people if they walked in the streets and obstructed the sidewalks, they could be subject to arrest for disorderly conduct. this is not something we saw last time around. they are handing out fliers trying to control or warn the crowd before this gathering started this evening. wolf? >> innya lot of signs saying #blacklivesmatter. we'll get back to you. in the piano time i want to bring in the president of the naacp. thanks for joining us. let me get your reaction first of all, demonstrations not only in baltimore are moving to new york and boston. what do you think? >> i think this is a very powerful and encouraging development. the fact of the matter is the nation is saying not only that black lives matter all lives matter. our country and constitution matter. it matters so much we cannot allow young, black men to lose lives at the hands of police on video tape across the country without us responding. this is a very encouraging development. be clear, this is just one chapter in an ongoing national narrative. the likes of which, we are going to conclude with an end to racial profiling. this is a movement. it's not a series of disconnected events. this is not merely a matter of disconnected events on social media. there's a real movement. there's a consensus we have arrived at a point where enough is enough. >> what do you think, mark it looks like these protests are certainly spreading, as they say, not just baltimore, but other cities new york boston and elsewhere as well. >> cornell is right. i think he's spot on. this began 18 months ago or so almost two years ago with the trayvon martin incident. that tragic incident. since then there have been 12 high profile incidents involving unarmed black men and in the case of tamir rice a boy. people are taking to the streets, exercising their first amendment rights and expressing a sense of outrage and a sense of it's time to change the way things are in a way we haven't seen wolf in decades. this is unprecedented. we support, encourage and associate ourselves with peaceful protest. what we have to do is we have to have a national anti-racial profiling law. what we have to see in maryland is comprehensive reforms to the baltimore police department. there's a role for the governor and the legislature to play. that is the repeal of a law enforcement officers bill of rights. so these actions have to lead to concrete steps with respect to change. i think that is why this is going to continue and i think it's going to continue to grow. let's also wolf not lose focus on the investigation into the death of mr. gray. an investigation that continues and an investigation for which there hasn't been if you will an update on the status of that investigation. i would hope that the officials in baltimore and in maryland would update the community to the extent they can on the progress and how that investigation is involved because after all, at the heart of the matter that is what many of these protests are about. that's where the outrage and concern is. a man with a broken spine who is now gone. >> all right. stand by for a moment. let me update our viewer who is may just be tuning in. you can see the demonstration in baltimore, a huge gonedemonstration protesting what happened to freddie gray in baltimore, a 25-year-old man who died in police custody. expecting a report from police on friday. we'll see if any of that is made public. in new york union square a huge demonstration developed. they say, the organizers they want to show solidarity with the people in baltimore. boston there's a demonstration going on right now. i want to go to miguel marquez. you are watching the demonstration. what are you seeing? >> reporter: this is going to be a test for the city of baltimore tonight, wolf. there are several protests three, perhaps four that are planned, different starting times, different starting places all focused on city hall and the state's attorney's office. they want to hold the city and the state accountable for whatever happens on friday and whatever comes out of this investigation they want to keep their feet to the fire. they want to show the city that they can protest peacefully and with a strong voice but they can take to their own streets regardless of whether there's a demonstration. it sounds like they intend to be out of there by the time 10:00 p.m. comes around. this is clearly a lot more organization a lot more planned. a level of organization that the city and the neighborhood that we haven't seen in a long time. we are expecting a march out of here as well on pennsylvania and north avenue. they are seeing so much activity it has yet to materialize. there is talk of one from here as well. they seem to be very well organized on social media and pop up quickly and they are off. >> very well organized, indeed. very peaceful for now. loud noisy, peaceful. keyword, peaceful. cornell, you are the president, ceo of naacp. you listened to the mayor, larry hogan awhile ago. you want to react in what you heard? do you have confidence in the governor what he's doing? >> what i have confidence in is there seems to be we hope to be an equal emphasis on security and free expression allowing people to express the need for fundamental reform. that's encouraging. we need to be clear. this is more than one evening's rest or one night of peace. the fact of the matter is, we see the demonstrations across the country. the naacp has 2,000 plus units. they were on a phone call last night. we are organizing. we must be clear here. the people on the streets, the people in communities across the country are seeking fundamental reform body cameras, the passage of the end racial profiling act. a fundamental shift change paradigm shift, if you will in policing across this country. if we think, simply deploying several thousand national guardsmen will bring peace to the country, we are sadly mistaken. we are grateful and appreciative that we have a night of rest and quiet and we hope that continues but the way to ensure peace long term is to ensure that we have justice in the short term and the long term. critically important. to do that we have to bring about systemic fundamental reform. >> that's a long-term charge obviously. itis not going to happen overnight as all of us know. mark you agree that this curfew should remain in effect the national guard personnel should remain on the streets, at least going into next week? >> i think there's no choice but to maintain the proper presence. it's a dual responsibility to protect the public safety but also to protect those who want to peacefully protest their constitutional rights. i want to add, wolf this is an observation. i saw the governor's press conference. i think the message would be stronger if the governor and the mayor were holding joint press conferences each day because what that would convey is not just the words, but the action of a joint operation. one of the things that cause tremendous confusion during the tragedy of katrina were the mayor and the governor not appearing to be on the same page. i have tremendous respect, i don't know the governor tremendous respect and support for the mayor. in these instances, everyone has to avoid even the appearance of politicalization one upsmanship a sense of taking credit for what the response may indeed be. this is fluid. today may be a better day but there's tomorrow. there's the weekend. there's an ongoing series of activities. the protests you see, i think, are going to be a continuing set of protests until such time as there's a conclusion or decision with respect to the investigation into mr. gray's death. >> mark stand by. cornell brooks stand by as well. i want to check in with brian todd in the middle of a protest in baltimore. what is the latest? >> reporter: very interesting here wolf. they stopped at the corner of lexington and east gay street. this protest took on a different texture than most marches we have seen. here, in the last hour our cameraman is going to pan over here. they stopped in a vehicle. there's a lead vehicle leading the march. they have speakers that have come to the bed of this truck here. they are calling different people to get up and speak. this is different than we have seen. it's more structured and certainly larger. this is several thousand strong extending back several blocks. a lot of protesters feel the violence has taken the focus off the freddie gray case and other cases. they want to keep attention on them. michael brown, eric garner. they want to draw attention to those cases. back to freddie gray and back to friday when the report comes out. now we know local authorities here are trying to manage expectations there may not be a lot of information coming from the report. you can bet people are going to be out anyway looking for answers. that's what this crowd is all about. answers on friday likely people will come out and organize marches like this. >> i want to go to jason carroll monitoring the protests in baltimore. where are you? what are you seeing? >> reporter: what time did it start at john hopkins? >> we started at 4:00. >> reporter: we are starting in the midsection of where the crowd is. there are hundreds and hundreds of people in front of city hall trying to make their way into the courtyard of city hall. they are students members of amnesty international. it started at johns hopkins university and marched to penn station. now, they are here. give me a sense of what voice you want heard. what statement are you trying to hear? >> we are tired of injustice. we are not going to stand for it any longer. i want the fact that this is peaceful to be known. most of the protests have been peaceful. they are giving out flowers. >> reporter: how long do you plan being out here today? >> until it ends. >> reporter: until it ends. 10:00? >> curfew is 10:00. >> reporter: these are folks planning to honor the curfew. i ran into one protester, who i saw in ferguson and again in new york city. he says he is here today. he says he will be out here tomorrow and they will continue to have their voices heard. wolf? >> we are going to get back to you. we are going to monitor the protests in baltimore, in new york, in boston. much more of our special coverage coming up here in the "situation room." big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. 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>> it's a delicate balance, wolf. the unfortunate thing about this is that it seems like a few months ago, there was a series of protests in multiple cities. unfortunately, we could see that in the shortcoming future. somebody thooz figure this out pretty soon. i'm so happy to hear the governor talk about the protests thus far turned peacefully. certainly, it's something we can't rest in laurels. it's potential to be a powder keg again. it needs to be settled country wide. >> everybody needs to be sensitive to that. tom, you are in baltimore for us. what does it feel like? what is the sense you are getting about the situation? we don't want it to be a powder keg. >> i think it is a powder keg, even though we don't want it to be. it could escalate the coming days especially friday when there's no answers that please the public. friday and saturday could be very dangerous times here. >> let's talk about what the state's attorney is going to get to. there's going to be a report a preliminary report from baltimore police to the state's attorney. she has to decide what to do with that evidence. she's got various options, she could file charges against some of the police officers involved in the arrest of freddie gray she can send it to a grand jury to consider what to do or decide there's not enough evidence to do anything. talk about the legal process because you know the community is going to be watching this very closely. >> well almost certainly, the prosecutor is going to say i need more evidence. i need a fuller medical examiner's report. in maryland the rule is 30 to 45 days for a medical examiner's report. that may not be clear. that's probably the central piece of evidence in this case how and why did freddie gray die. experts have to be consulted. this is obviously a very important case and the most important thing that can happen is that the prosecutor get the right answer not necessarily the fast answer. the legal system as we all know often moves at a frustratingly slow pace but, she has got to take her time assign the right people reinterview witnesses, put them in the grand jury and decide whether criminal charges are justified. this takes time. there's no alternative to doing it the right way, which is going to take weeks, if not months. >> let me get cornell william brooks' react to that. cornell, you are an attorney you understand the legal process well. what should we be bracing for on friday? >> well i think we should brace for a community that will be disappointed in terms of the expectation gap. rather than brace for the worse, i like to prepare for a better outcome. one way that could be done is for the governor for the mayor, for the justice department to explain over and over again through the community groups through the organizations what the process is and what to expect and whatnot to expect. simply share with the people in clear, unambiguous concerns it is better to have a thorough investigation rather than a fast investigation and better to have questions answered as opposed to simply getting more information. so friday should not be seen as some kind of deadline for justice. friday should be seen as another step in the process toward hopefully getting a just result. we really need state, federal and municipal chief executives coming together with the community to let people know what to expect how much to expect and when to expect it. if that is not done this is a potentially dangerous situation. >> cornell, i want you to stand by. joining us on the phone is general linda, the commander of the maryland national guard. we have been seeing her with the briefings with the governor. how many national guards troops have been deployed in baltimore, general singh? >> at this point, almost 2,000 on ground in baltimore. we have access to another 3,000 if we need to. that doesn't include being able to access forces in our neighboring states that will provide us support when ever necessary. >> what is their mission, general? >> caller: our mission is to help maintain and restore peace in the community. we are in support of the police forces that are here and our goal is really to come in and help to protect property and ensure that you know, we can ensure that the citizens are going to be safe and that you know we can get everything back to what i think is going to be a city that is getting back to normal business. >> so i guess, i have been covering the military for awhile. the question rules of engagement. say the demonstration, we hope it doesn't, turns violent. what would the troops there, the troops of the maryland national guard, what are the rules of engagement? what would they do? >> caller: first off, the way we are using our forces are in terms of what we consider to be presence patrol and using them in static position. that's protecting property and places that we have actually had either problems or escalations of community where, you know they have asked us to step in and support. we are taking the direction, really of the police and they are deploying us in the places they need us. when rules of engagement are deployed right now, we are in support and we will not, however, will not, allow any of our forces to be harmed at any precaution. the key thing is that you know we really do not want to have to get into any type of violent situation. the police force doesn't want to get into a violent situation. we would be the last force and measure and, you know the key thing is if we had to engage we will engage with whatever force is appropriate based on the situation and there are rules for how we have to escalate and how we have to be employed. we are following those very very carefully. i think it's important that people know that. right now, the police are in control and the guard is in support to protect property and >> very quickly before i let you go general, are your troops there deplayed with mace with tear gas, water cannon? do they have lethal weapons? what kind of protection do they have? >> all right, so first off, i'm not going to go through the specifics of the stuff that they have with them. but let me just say that our troops have the ability to employ nonlethal and lethal capability. basically means smoke and gas and things like that. but we are not the first level of response. everything that's happened thus far has been employed by the police department. usually we are not the ones that will be employing those tactics and methods unless we absolutely have to do so. >> general lin sa sing commanding general of the maryland national guard, general sing good luck to the men and women of the maryland national guard. hopefully this will remain peaceful and all of you guys could go home. appreciate it very much. thank you. >> absolutely. thank you. >> all right, thank you. well we'll take a quick break as we continue to watch these protests in baltimore, in new york and boston. much more right after this. super poligrip seals out more food particles. so your food won't get stuck and you can enjoy every single bite. eat loud, live loud, super poligrip. super poligrip holds your dentures tightly in place so you never have to hold back. laugh loud, live loud, super poligrip. protesters are on the move right now. live pictures coming in from baltimore right now. you see large numbers of protesters there. in new york there's protests going on as well. in boston. there were also some protests last night in ferguson missouri. let's bring in john gaskin who can help us better appreciate what happened in ferguson. it got sort of violent last night? >> it did. unfortunately things got out of hand last night. and it's my hope that tonight and across the country as people mobilize and are out in the streets, exercising their rights that people will remain peaceful yet continue to lift this issue up. this is a very positive moment. the images that we're seeing in new york and across the country and in baltimore standing in solidarity with that city as we continue to mobilize and talk about this very critical issue. >> you know you're a young guy, john. when you hear all this talk about whether or not it was appropriate for the president or the mayor of baltimore to use the word thugs to describe the vie lent protesters those who engage in arson and looting and then the mayor apologized for that explain to our viewers why that word thugs is inappropriate. >> so often we find ourselves overusing words in our vocabulary that have no business being there. oftentimes too often in this country, we're finding "thug" referring to young african-american men in our community. sadly, many leaders see that that's possibly the new equivalent of the "n" word. it's unfortunate that president obama and mayor blake used those words. i believe they're better than that. they're quite competent leaders and very intelligent. and those words are far beneath who they are as people and who they are as leaders. however, i do appreciate the fact that mayor blake was humble enough and intelligent enough to reconsider what she said and try to clarify that. but i certainly hope that they do not continue to use that type of language especially other leaders who call themselves representing african-americans, representing americans in this country. >> jason carroll, you're there on the scene at this protest in baltimore, what's going on? >> reporter: wolf now this group here this group of hundreds and hundreds of people that marched their way right in front of city hall we're now in the process of marching back to penn station. they started at johns hopkins university. a very diverse group of people. we met some students from johns hopkins, we met some nurses holding signs saying nurses for healing. the big common denominator here wolf within this crowd, this huge crowd now moving throughout the city of baltimore, is peace. they want a peaceful demonstration. they want to show that they can march, they can voice their opinions without resorting to violence like we saw in previous days. in terms of what happens next again, let me see if we can get our camera just to turnaround here very quickly. you can see this huge group now. this massive group of demonstrators walking in silence for freddie gray holding up peace signs, holding up signs that say black lives matter police brutality must go. they say they're going to continue marching. they're also saying they plan on honoring the curfew. some of the people that we spoke to to. that cur sue still in effect the people marching for peace. >> the curfew goes in effect in three hours. hopefully it will be honored in these marches whether in baltimore, new york, boston, will remain peaceful. i'm wolfs blitter in "the situation room." cnn's live coverage will continue right now with erin burnett "outfront." erin? thank you, wolf. we are continuing our breaking news coverage of the state of emergency in baltimore and growing protests around the country. right now this is a protest you're looking at in new york city. as people are gathering around the country in response to protests in baltimore. on the streets of baltimore, police warning they're expecting massive crowds and the outrage as i said is spreading. you've got other major cities knock being just one of them boston also having demonstrations tonight in solidarity with the city of baltimore. the rally here in new york billed as rise up and shut it down with baltimore. in baltimore nearly 250 people arrested in the past two nights. at least 20 officers injured, six seriously. the cure few goes into effect in

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at the front of the protest. and they were actually stopping cars directing traffic. it was a very orderly protest, thousands of people multiracial, peaceful marching through the streets, accompanied by major police and national guard presence. a major protest, as well in new york. this is what the crowds look like tonight in and around in union square where police have been making a number of arrests. in addition we have just talked to a person with intimate knowledge of the arrest of freddie gray. we're going to have that interview a little bit later on. this is the first time we have heard the account from one of the police officers about what that police officer believes may have happened to freddie gray or at least when whatever happened actually happened. we're also going to talk tonight to the mom you see right there. to that mom who dragged her son out of a protest in order to make sure that he did not throw rocks at police. we'll talk to her. and we'll talk to the son about that as well. but i want to check in with our brian todd now, standing by. brian, explain where you are, what you're seeing. >> reporter: anderson we're at penn station in downtown baltimore. the starting point and the finishing point for a massive march through downtown baltimore. hundreds if not more than 1,000 people many of them high school and college age students marched through the streets for the last couple hours. this was a larger and more dynamic and actually more organized protest than those we have seen in recent days. it just ended here. it went from kind of a demonstration of civil disobedience to a celebration of civil disobedience. we just had music playing here people milling around just starting to break up now. what the organizers told us they really wanted to take the message back to the freddie gray case. they really wanted to put the focus back on the freddie gray case here in baltimore. the street message they want to stay on that particular case and not on the violation that has occurred. not on the arrests, on the car burnings and on the lootings that have occurred. they want to put it squarely back on the message, calling attention to the freddie gray case. and that's what they believe they have done tonight. i just talked to one of the organizers of the march here. they said they are going to honor the curfew and one of them actually just warned some of these people you've got to get home you've got to get into a safe place, because we don't want anything to happen to you, we don't want the police to converge on you, anderson. >> brian i want to check in with you later on. i also want to check in now with alexandra field in new york city with a protest there. alexandra, where is the protest right now and what have you been seeing? >> reporter: well anldsderson where we are now is hemmed in outside union square. the nypd has come through with mesh fences to keep the crowd off the street. just a few minutes ago, we saw a number of people being arrested right in this intersection outside of union square park. it was a very swift response from the nypd to a somewhat spontaneous decision from the protesters to march. they had gathered here for about an hour anderson in a very peaceful demonstration, holding signs, chanting speaking to one another. >> and then they decided to hit the streets. they got a half block outside the park heading west on 17th street and that's when they were intercepted by officers who forced them back to on the sidewalk. those who would not listen to police not clear out of the street and get on the sidewalk we saw them put in hand ties and taken away. this might be surprising to some people who have seen a number of protests in this city over the last couple months most remarkably back over the winter months when we saw hundreds if not thousands of people taking to the streets to protest after the death of eric garner. you may remember we did see some arrests at that time. but we didn't see them instantly. it seems the tactic the nypd was employing at that time was to allow people the space to get into the streets if they chose to to express the passions they had decided to express at the time. the tactics tonight, anderson different. and they came with warning. the nypd knew about the protest that was going to be happening in union square. they got down here this afternoon, even before the demonstrators got here. they set up loud speakers warning people that if they obstructed the sidewalks or if they walked in the streets, they could be arrested for disorderly conduct. and as soon as this crowd of at least hundreds of people started to make their way across 17th street the police responded immediately, anderson and that's when we saw them taking some people into arrest. one person left here in an ambulance. no word on what kind of injuries there might be in that case. at this point, what we're seeing at this very moment though are nypd officers standing shoulder to shoulder out here downtown manhattan, the middle of 17th street trying to keep this crowd out of the street. the crowd is somewhat thinning. we heard some demonstrators say they'll march in other places they'll head south from here. and it seems the police are actually moving at this point. we don't know what's prompted it. we can't see down there. but we do see that a large crowd of nypd officers now making their way west of 17th street. a lot of people still out here being held behind these mesh fences waiting for what's next anderson. >> and alexandra, we're showing our viewers on the left-hand side of the screen your shot your live shot. but also now on the right-hand side of your screen, a shot from earlier. and you really get a sense, alexandra, of the large numbers of people who did turn out for that demonstration. do you have -- i know you rarely do the police put out numbers. but is there any kind of authoritative number? >> reporter: there is not an authoritative number of how large this crowd was. and you're right, the nypd rarely gives out crowd numbers. we know on social media more than 5,000 people rsvped saying they were going to come to this. we were surprised to see within a few minutes of the scheduled start time 6:00 there were hundreds and hundreds of people able to go back later and take a look at the aerials. i was in the middle of union square park and we were shoulder to shoulder with people a very thick crowd. they came out early, they wanted to be here. they said they were here to express solidarity with people in baltimore. they said they were here to demand justice for freddie gray. we asked them explicitly do you have plans to march across the city the way we saw them do so many times over the winter and they said they had not organized any official march but they weren't going to try to hem people in or stop them from doing what felt right. here again, i don't know if you can hear in the background anderson but again, the nypd over the loud speakers telling people they need to stay on the sidewalks, stay out of the streets, and warning them that arrests will continue to be made if people are obstructing the streets, according to the officers out here. we are still standing on this corner on 17th street behind this mesh fence, which is being held up by nypd officers. we did see officers come in here flooding in on 17th street when the crowds advanced forward. they were wearing helmets. we haven't seen them dressed in anything beyond helmets. no tactical gear out here, anderson. >> alexandra field, i appreciate the reporting. we will continue to check in with you to see how those protests either dissipate or continue. a lot to talk about. we're also getting word now of protests in washington, d.c. we're just getting these pictures now. these are live pictures here washington, d.c. you see a crowd marching on the streets. and to reiterate what brian todd said what brian todd said earlier, i think a lot of the protests, when you talk to them today, a lot of them repeated they wanted to get the focus back on freddie gray and what happened to freddie gray. and what they want to see is justice for what happened to freddie gray. still, so many unanswered questions. there had been a big expectation among some people and i talked to one of the pastors who was in schools today, trying to tamp down young people's expectations for what's going to happen on friday. because a lot of the young people he was talking to were saying to him they were thinking charges might be brought on friday or at least some kind of resolution or answer would be given from authorities about what happened to freddie gray. the message, the pastor was getting out, the message the gray family attorney was trying to get out to a crowd here last night when we were on the air is that we're -- the public is not going to learn friday probably not going to learn anymore details about what happened to freddie gray and to try to tamp down expectations. so there's not high expectations and a lot of disappointment. i want to bring in our legal analyst, sunny hostin, who has worked here friends with the baltimore mayor, as we often point out. also former nypd detective, harry houck and russell honoree who led the militant response after hurricane katrina. i've seen a lot of people on the streets today protesting and we're seeing larger numbers of people around here in this area. and i wonder if that has to do with the fact that because now there is this sense, these are peaceful protests people from different parts of baltimore feel you know what it's okay to come down it's okay to take part in these protests. >> i think that is certainly part of it. i think another part of it is social media. i've been looking at social media. and the word is getting out. that -- i think people also want answers. i think people are focusing on friday and so i think that's also why we're seeing more of a ground swell in terms of protesters. so i think there is a real momentum moving towards friday because we know that that is the day when the investigators -- at least the police investigators, are going to hand this over to the prosecutors. i think we do anderson need to manage expectations not only for our viewers, but just for the public in general. because i don't think that they're going to get the answers they're seeking by friday. >> right. unless something leaks out. but again, there's not going to be charges brought as far as we know. no indictments, anything like this. this is preliminary investigation by the baltimore police department handed over to the attorney. >> i think that's right. and i think now -- right then and there will be the prosecutor's game the prosecutor's decision and prosecutors get that information from the police department. but then they have to conduct their own evaluation their own investigation. and my understanding is they don't have the autopsy report. in a case like this that is so vital, so necessary for any decision to be made. >> harry, it's really interesting, just to be talking with protesters today, and we saw yesterday you and i talked about this on the broadcast last night. the extent to which these protesters are policing themselves. i was with a group just a short time ago marching down a street. there were individuals ahead of them stopping traffic. redirecting traffic. it wasn't police officers doing that. it was march organizers it was just people who had taken on that responsibility. and that's something i think we have really seen and i think has made a big difference over the last 24 36 hours. >> without a doubt, anderson. i'm really happy to see the community leaders are getting involved in this. and that the police officers don't have to take much action. if we see this every day and if they keep remaining involved we shouldn't have that much violence. although we had a couple arrests last night after the curfew at 10:00, and we probably will also tonight after 10:00. but i think these people stay involved. stay on top of these people that are trying to stay at the 10:00. probably will have a really good night. and also the fact that -- i don't know what's going to happen friday because the word is out there that nothing is really going to come out on friday. so i'm really interested to see what's going to happen around friday 10:00 at night when the curfew goes into effect. >> general honoree, it's interesting, the protesters -- i don't have conclusive evidence but being out and seeing protest groups it seems people from a lot of different parts of the city much more multiracial. and i'm wondering where you think that change has come from. is it the stronger police presence is it the sense that a corner has been turned to use the phrase that the governor used, and that the protests are peaceful and therefore people feel more emboldened to take part in them? >> yeah i think the observation is spot-on, anderson that the events that occurred on monday that were violent, they had bad optics for the nation they had bad optics for the state and for the city that people are trying to move on in the collective community in baltimore, which takes great pride in its city. now focusing on going from law and order to strive to move the politicians to talk more about justice. and i think because of the police presence, people can can have that confidence that the police will do a dual role. they'll control the protests but also protect the people. and i think that's a confidence builder. but anderson i think they're swinging behind the ball in that we need to get that mayor and the governor as well as the federal government to start developing the narrative to find the exit strategy to get people off the street and get them back to work. this has been going on almost a week now, and it's time now to try and lay out a strategy and bring those community leaders that did such a great job yesterday at keeping peace, and what is the path forward to go from law and order focus to justice focus to address the concerns of the people anderson. >> that's a good point, general. thank you. we'll check in with all of you over the next two hours. we want to take a quick break. when we come back though my conversation tonight. my conversation with toya graham who became famous for this show of tough love when her son was about to throw a rock at police officers. she went up to him, found him at the demonstration, and you see what she did right there. tonight she speaks out and i speak to her son michael as well. >> when you saw your mom -- >> right. >> when you first made eye contact, what went through your mind. >> i was just like -- oh man. >> like oh man! >> my mother. what is my mother doing down here? why would she be down here? >> he quickly found out why she was down there. she was down there to get him out of trouble. we'll talk to both of them ahead. i want to show as we go to break, 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>> he said he wasn't going to go. >> and but did you kind of have a sense maybe he would? >> when we started getting a phone call they had closed the schools down early, and they had closed mondawmin mall i knew i had to get to the mall. i just went right over there. >> so what happened when you got there? >> i had to find out if i could see my boy at that point. and i didn't see him. and then i started focusing on these bricks that were being thrown at the police officers and i turned around and he was coming across the street. >> michael. >> michael. >> but he wasn't -- he was wearing a mask. >> he was wearing a mask. he had the hood on. and he also had a brick in his hand. >> how did you know it was him? >> i -- i noticed the sweatpants that he had on and then he gave me eye contact. >> you actually made eye contact. >> i made eye contact with him. and at that point, i told him to throw that brick down -- put the brick down. put it down. and i just lost it at that point. i was so angry with him that he had made a decision to do some harm to the police officers. >> it's not something you approve of obviously. >> not at all. >> so you saw michael with the rock in his hand. and you say you just lost it. >> i did. and, you know once he threw that rock down i was like you know you wasn't brought up like this. >> did you -- did you worry about embarrassing him? >> not at all. >> not at you will. >> not at all. he was actually embarrassing himself by wearing that mask and that hoodie and doing what he was doing. and at some point, i told him to take the mask off. because why are you hiding behind a mask? if you want to be bold enough to do this then show your face. >> if this is something you really believe in. >> yeah. why hide your face? >> so did he go home then? >> oh yeah. oh yeah he went home with me. >> i had no doubt about that. >> yes, yes. he went home with me and his sister. >> i would have gone home with you in a second. >> yes. >> did you realize somebody had recorded? >> i hadn't. i know at one point i had turned around and i saw one of the camera crews going down. at that point, i didn't think that anybody had reported me. i wasn't there to be recorded. i was there to get my child. >> that's the kind of mom you are. >> yeah. yeah. and he knows -- he knows what he did was wrong. do i think he wouldn't be in another situation or is he the perfect child? no. he's not. but as long as i have breath in my body i will always try to do right by michael and show him that what's going on out in society doesn't have to be you. >> ms. graham has five daughters. michael is her only son. the one you saw in the ski mask who now you're going to hear from him now for the very first time. >> why did you go down there? >> it was just like i felt as though my friends were down there. a couple of my friends had been beaten by the police killed by the police. so i felt as though i needed to go down there, show my respect. >> so when you -- when you saw your mom -- >> right. >> when you first made eye contact, what went through your mind? >> i was just like -- oh man. like -- >> you were like oh man! >> my mother. what is my mother doing down here? why would she be down here? >> did you know instantly she recognized you? >> when i saw her, i didn't like really see her. but when i heard, put that brick down! i was like oh that's my mother. >> so when you think when you heard that voice? >> i was like, oh yeah i know that's my mother. i know it's my mother. nobody else talks like that but my mother. so -- >> and then what happened? >> it was just world war 3 from there. >> world war iii? >> yeah. it was just like -- what did you think? were you embarrassed? >> yeah i was embarrassed a little bit, until she just started talking to me when we got home. just telling me she did it because she cared about me. and it wasn't to embarrass me but because she cared. >> she was worried about you. >> right. she didn't want me getting in trouble by the law. and she didn't want me to be another freddie gray. or anybody else that got killed by the police. >> do you regret wanting to throw rocks, or do you think -- can you explain it? >> at first i was just like -- i don't care. like -- i don't care about the law. like police. but when my mother talked to me about it she was just like what did they do to you? did they of hurt you? i'm like no they didn't hurt me but some of my friends are not here because of what they did. >> do you regret it? >> a little bit. >> a little bit. >> yeah a little bit, i regret it. whancht >> what do you regret? >> i regret me going down there and getting into this situation when i was supposed to be home. >> do you worry about mike he he will a lot? >> yes. i worry about him walking out my front door. i do. it's just the life that we live around here you don't know if you walk out the door if you're going to walk back in the door or not. >> do you think if riots broke out again, do you think you would go down there? >> no. i don't think i would go down there. >> are you saying that just because she is standing here? >> no. i'm not saying that -- i just see my mother care about me. why would i want to put myself back in a predictamentpredicament. but if i ever do go back down there, i'm going to do it in a positive way. >> she cares a lot about you. >> right. >> well thank you, michael. appreciate it. wish you the best. thank you. >> you're welcome. thank you. >> should point out a couple things. ms. graham who has gotten a lot of attention in the last couple days she is unemployed right now. she lost her job. she has been working as a health care attendant home health care aide a job she loves. hopefully something good will come out of this. hopefully maybe somebody will see this in the baltimore area be able to offer her a job, because she could really use one. the other thing that i found interesting, one of her daughters is actually applying right now to be a baltimore city police officer. and i talked to that daughter. she is very passionate about wanting to be a police officer in the city of baltimore. and she is a fine young lady. and we wish her the best in getting that job. just ahead tonight, my interview with a person close to one of the police officers involved in the arrest of freddie gray. someone who has heard the officer's side of the story of what happened during the arrest and where mr. gray sustained his fatal injuries. as we go to break, a look at new york where people have been rallying all evening, and police have been making arrests. scott: appears buster's been busy. man: yeah, scott. i was just about to use the uh... scott: that's a bunch of ground-up paper, lad! scotts ez seed uses the finest seed, fertilizer, and natural mulch that holds water so you can grow grass anywhere! seed your lawn. seed it! the real question that needs to be asked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day. whatever i can do to help compute a cure for cancer, that's what i'd like to do. there's some facts about seaworld we'd like you to know. we don't collect killer whales from the wild. and haven't for 35 years. with the hightest standard of animal care in the world our whales are healthy. they're thriving. i wouldn't work here if they weren't. and government research shows they live just as long as whales in the wild. caring for these whales, we have a great responsibility to get that right. and we take it very seriously. because we love them. and we know you love them too. i am rich. on the grounds of my estate, i hob nob with the glitterati and play equestrian sports. out on the veranda, we enjoy finger sandwiches and other assorted dainties. i wear nothing less than the finest designer footwear. wherever i go, the paparazzi capture my every move. yes, i am rich. that's why i drink the champagne of beers. hello! this little beauty here is top-of-the-line. see, you just pull like this to go left. and like so to go right. where are the brakes? 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does that officer believe that freddie gray was injured inside the paddy wagon, or before? >> he believes that freddie gray was injured outside the paddy wagon, before. >> while freddie gray was being arrested. >> yes. >> and did this officer see any indication that freddie gray had been injured? >> no. he did not. >> there are a lot of questions about what happened to freddie gray once he was in the paddy wagon. the attorney for the police for a number of officers has come forward and says he believes whatever occurred occurred inside that paddy wagon. there's a lot of questions about whether there was a so-called rough ride. does the officer that you are close to believe that there was any kind of a rough ride for freddie gray intentionally driving erratically to cause some injury? >> no. no he doesn't. he believes that the injuries were sustained outside the paddy wagon, that if they go back and look at the gps and everything that occurred as they were driving, they can see how fast the driver was going. they can see where the driver was and what route the driver took. >> it is known that the vehicle did pull over and that once it left the scene and freddie gray was later shackled. do you know -- does this officer have any idea why that was done? >> freddie gray was shackled because he was irate. he was irate, he was angry. he was moving around in the wagon. so they were asked -- the arresting officers were asked to leg shackle him. and that's when the wagon pulled over. >> does this officer know why freddie gray was not seat belted into the paddy wagon? >> yes. he was not seat belted because once they put the leg shackles on because he was irate when they put the leg shackles on in the first place, they didn't want to reach over him. you are in a tight space in a paddy wagon. he's irate. he still has his teeth and he still has his saliva. so in order to seatbelt somebody you have to get in their personal space. they're not going to get in his personal space if he's already irate. most people in the paddy wagon are seat belted. they are just now starting to seatbelt as a result of this case. and you -- everyone can go back to to the other cases for paddy wagons and for people being seat belted in and they can see that a lot of people aren't seat belted in the paddy wagon at all. >> even if it's a rule it's just not a rule that's necessarily followed. >> no. >> the officer who you are in contact with, you're saying he believes that whatever injuries were sustained by mr. gray were sustained during the course of the arrest but he doesn't have any direct knowledge or does he have direct knowledge how those injuries were sustained? >> no. he just believes that you know several of the officers never touched him. you know. so the arresting officers are the ones that chased him. for that mile. and they're the ones that arrested him. the other officers didn't touch him. >> the officer you're in touch with does he feel that the city -- that the mayor has responded appropriately? >> no. he feels that the city has let all the officers down. that they have left them out there, and that the mayor and the commissioner -- not just the mayor, the commissioner who is on top of them should have stood by them. and they should have gotten due process by law. and that's not what happened here. >> i want to point out again, this is somebody who has a close relationship with one of the officers who was involved in the arrest. we actually have more of this interview, we're trying to get it together because we have altered the voice. we obviously were going to bring that to you as soon as we are able to. joining us now, sunny hostin former resident of baltimore, also friends with baltimore's mayor and cnn legal analyst and federal prosecutor jeffrey toobin. sunny, what's interesting, what this officer is claiming or at least what this friend of this officer is claiming the officer has said the injuries occurred before the freddie gray was put in the paddy wagon. >> i think that is very significant. because we do have video, and we have all seen it now, of freddie gray screaming and what appeared to be agony as he was dragged sort of like a rag doll to the police van. now, a lot of people are saying he was standing on the police van, on top of the police van when he was entering which means that he must have been okay and -- >> standing on a bumper. >> so he must have been okay because the injuries must have been sustained inside. i didn't see that. i saw someone standing on one foot while assisting by other officers still in agony, still in pain. so what we're hearing now from this person in my mind anderson really supports what my eyes saw all along, from that video that has gone viral, really. >> jeff toobin, what do you make of what you heard? again, this person saying this officer is claiming who -- the officers who put mr. gray into the vehicle did not seatbet him in because they didn't essentially want to get close enough to him, because he was in -- i don't know what words they would use to categorize him. but they didn't want to get too close to him. >> you know i think this just underlines the difficulty and complexity of this investigation. let's just assume and i don't think it's a crazy assumption that this officer and the other officers in the -- who were in the vehicle say, you know look he walked in -- i mean he was in bad shape when he came in. the arresting officer said look he was standing up. he was basically okay when we put him in there. what do prosecutors do in a circumstance like that. you're going to be in a situation here it seems entirely possible where you have conflicting accounts of what happened. and you're going oh to have medical evidence that may or may not point to one group of officers or the other. i mean obviously, the medical examiner's report which is not yet completed, is going to be extremely important. but medical examiners reports don't say who did what. and so i just think, you know we are in for a complex and lengthy investigation that may wind up being inconclusive. >> my understanding is that there's only one police officer who was in the paddy wagon, the driver of the paddy wagon. there is another prisoner or somebody else who was arrested for a time inside that paddy wagon, as well. my understanding is that person has given a statement to police. we don't know what's in that statement. but you would think that person would also have some indication of what sort of condition freddie freddie gray was in. >> not only that whether or not that person felt he was participating in a rough ride. and so i think that person's account is going to be -- >> freddie gray was injured in a rough ride while another prisoner was in the vehicle, why wasn't that prisoner -- >> injured as well. i've got to disagree with my friend jeff toobin on that. i understand we don't have the medical examiner's report yet. i don't understand why we don't have the medical examiner's report. toxicology reports sometimes take a long time. but the fact this happened almost three weeks ago and the suggestion somehow that -- and the body was released to the family. the suggestion somehow the medical examiner's report is incomplete is very strange to me. and i don't think that it is a complex situation. yes, you're going to have officers obviously giving you know know different accounts. but the medical examiner's report should be the focus of this inquiry. >> it's also interesting, just briefly, jeff. clearly, this person says that this officer, who was one of the six who took part in -- you know one of the six, is clearly putting the focus on the arresting officers who had the interaction with mr. gray out on the street as opposed to anything that happened in the vehicle. again, this officer does not specify seeing any injuries in freddie gray or any knowledge of what happened to him during that arrest. but that clearly seems to be where this officer is putting the focus. >> no question. and just about the medical examiner's report. apparently the custom in maryland is 30 to 45 days for an autopsy report. that may be too slow. it sounds too slow to me. but that's how they do things there. i hope they accelerate it. but there are a lot of people whose testimony you're going to need to get. and if you want to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt, if you have conflicting testimony, it's going to be very difficult. >> yeah. jeff toobin thank you. sunny hostin as well. just ahead, what happened to this man? 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>> reporter: absolutely anderson. so this is basically catty corner to where we were last night. the police were right here. this was clogged with people who didn't want to go home. and a lot of media. and what happened was, down from this street the young man we're talking about came up with his hands up. the police believe that he was part apparently of a group that had been agitating and throwing things at them. so they actually fired pepper balls at him. he raised his hands, retreated and came back again with his hands up and they allowed him to pass along here in front of their faye lynx over to where we were the media, on that corner. there was only media there at this point. the young man walked back and forth in front of us saying can i have your attention, do you all hear me. and people were kind of paying attention, kind of not paying attention. because there was a lot of other activity. and he then said "you all need to leave. you all need to leave." and then he backed up and walked very close over and started to move back across the street. a humvee was coming up the street at that time. as it passed him, did not hit him, as it passed him and stopped, the line opened and an arrest squad came out, grabbed him, put him on the ground and then we watched him -- jay, the photo journalist and i watched him be put in a holding van and that's where they stayed until they drove away. >> and do we know where he is now? what he may be held for? has he been charged? >> reporter: reportedly and according to those reports, information coming from an attorney that went to check on him, he's in central booking. i believe there has been no arraignment yet, no appearance yet. but he is being held and the allegation is that he's being held on violation of curfew which by definition is what he was doing. >> all right. chris, i appreciate the update. great coverage from you last night. it was incredible to watch. we'll continue to check in with you throughout the night. just ahead, the president said it the mayor said it as well. but is it okay to call the rioters -- those people who cause violation thugs? i talked to ms. graham about it today. and she said my child michael is not a thug. we'll get into that next. 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>> i think we have to look at the situation, and we know that's a word that the president uses all of the time. it's not a new thing for me. and i think what we're doing is oversensationalizing something when we really should be worried about these young people and their well-being and what we'll do to help them move forward. to me what's more important, we know they're hurting and they have been hurting. how we can help them repair their lives, and let's stop focusing on that and how we're going to move them forward. >> you spent a lot of today in schools, talking to young people. i'm curious to know what you heard from them and what your message to them was. >> my message to them when this incident started, i'm in schools almost every day anyway. i wanted to talk specifically about this incident. my message today was to remember these are your neighborhoods, this is your city this is your town these are your family and friends. you have to protect your own and also respect yourself and your neighborhood and your city around you. but young people were saying they're mad, they're upset about what happened. not just to freddie gray. something that we -- has gone missed in this, talking about riots. in the midst of that we have had 12 people in baltimore shot and murdered and they're upset about that as well. they want people to be upset like i am every time someone in our city loses their life. and they think this is -- freddie gray this is overshadow overshadowing people dying every day. they're saying look they don't like what's going on. they think it's stupid will hurt them more than anyone else and they're right. >> and pastor one of the things you were trying to do in the school today is tamp down expectations for what may happen on friday. can you explain that? >> friday somehow or another, there's been the misnomer that's gone around that a verdict is going to be rendered. in anticipation of that people are already preprepared to be upset. not knowing that nothing is going to happen. so really just trying to quell that raging emotion, and to give information to say this is not the process. i think one of the dangerous things that our police commissioner did was even in releasing a day. he should not have done it because he gave a false expectation. so here we are on the eve of christmas eve, almost on the brink of doom's day, not sure which one is going to come. >> and sunny, it's important to point out, friday it's a preliminary report by the police department going over to the attorney's office. but again, unless it leaks out, there is no charges being brought as far as we know. it's early days here. this is a long process. >> that is true. it is a long process. and what generally happens, anderson is when you get, as a prosecutor when you receive the package -- we usually call it a package. when you receive the package from the police department you have to make your own evaluation about the evidence. oftentimes prosecutors want to speak to additional people oftentimes they want to speak to them again. oftentimes they want expert to review the evidence. so to claim that friday is the day is definitely a mistake. i just also want to mention, and while i understand your point, councilman about using the word "thug," i think that words have real meaning. and i think words have real power. and thug that term has been used over and over again recently to describe african-american young men. and so i think that because it has been racialized not -- it's not a racist term but because it has been racialized i think leadership has to be careful with the use of that term. >> pastor thank you very much. councilman i appreciate you being on. sunny, as well. there is a lot happening in this hour. also we're on all through the next hour as well. our live coverage continues with baltimore's citywide curfew now an hour away. there was a huge turnout. protesters turning out in cities -- in other cities tonight, as well. live pictures there of washington, d.c. we'll take a short break. we'll be right back. dear stranger, when i booked this trip, my friends said i was crazy. why would i stay in someone else's house? 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weekend? that's the big question. can they stay calm? now i want to get to the streets of baltimore and to cnn's ryan young. when last we saw you, you were telling us about a body in the back of a semi and now police are investigating? >> reporter: don, some strange circumstances here. this semi which is right down the street from that cvs that everybody's been protesting near. and it's outside the baltimore department of social serves siceservices. police have cleared the scene. we tried to walk up and see what was going on. they did confirm it was a death investigation. they didn't say what he died from but we saw investigators looking at the passenger seat of this semi that's a block from where protesters were standing just a moment ago. and that's the cvs right there on your left-hand side. so when we walk up the street police had this entire area cordened off and they had tape and they pulled that body out, put it on a gurney and the homicide investigator asked us not to show you the video, but we wouldn't show you a video of a body anyway. that's all we know for right now. >> it is a strange situation. i want to get to cnn's brian todd who's also on the streets of bottle more. what do you have for us? >> reporter: what a marked difference this intersection is showing us from just 30 minutes ago. we're at the corner of pennsylvania and north avenue and traffic is flowing, the intersection is open and it appears that the police are getting ready to leave, most of them. this happened last night at about the same time, actually a little earlier and they were showing a strong presence and then as quickly, pulled back and they are trying to get this intersection back to normal to be ready for morning rush hour. and only about 30 minutes ago it was quite the opposite and it was a stand off between the police and some of the locales as they tried to get some of the local residents off the street and then trying to get some of the media off the street. they were getting agitated with our presence as well and we were involved with a little push and pull when someone would not move out of the intersection but now very very calm. and as ryan reported there's a death investigation right up the street. that's the extent of the trouble here at the moment don. and you can see police vehicles leaving the scene and pulling back down north avenue. once they decide to get out of here don, they do it fairly quickly. we expect them to deploy out of this intersection fairly soon. >> good news that it is holding there and open to traffic. and live for us as protests in philadelphia tonight. there have been large numbers of people out there. poppy take us there. >> reporter: hey, don, well it all started at around 4:30 p.m. this is what it has become after 4 or five hours of marching. you still got maybe 100 or 200 protesters out here. what i take away from tonight se how overall this has been a largely peaceful protest. the chief police said it was going to be very large, loud and lawful and for the most part it was. it did get very confrontation earlier tonight when hundreds of protesters tried to get on to the intersection of i 95 and they blocked them with police on horses and bikes. and that could have escalated and become how it was for the rest of the night but that isn't what happened and the protesters continues to walk in the streets of downtown philadelphia. one thing that stood out was about two hours aghoe theo when they stopped in front of the federal prison in baltimore and you saw inmates banging on the windows and flashing their cell lights on and off and i asked one young man named ryan why they were there and what that meant and he said that's because many of these people are incarcerated for nonviolent crimes and that the system needs to champgnge. a young mother told us this is about freddy gray and wanting answers and economic dispart and lack of opportunity. you have seen black men and women white men and women, asian men and women but this was a message was united we stand, united we fall. >> and we see people still out there milling about. and we have the former baltimore police commissioner and the president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives. ivan bates is a baltimore attorney and sunny is a former federal prosecutor. in a city this big, sadly, it's not unusual to have to investigate deesh-- to have a death investigation going on. >> especially in baltimore, unfochun unfortunately. >> unfortunately we have that was the 8th or 9th murder we've had since mr. gray was killed and so that's kind of unfortunately what's happening in baltimore and it's an issue that we as a community need to focus on and doctor's. >> let's get back to this story. what do you make of the leaks of the investigation? would you have allowed leaks in your department when you were running it? >> we never allow leaks but they do leak. and every time there's a leak it's intentional. and if it's the department it's probably not and it's individuals. it's extremely harmful and it just fuels the fire and raises more questions, doesn't angsswer anything and you get pieces to a puzzle without a solution and more speculation and community unrest and then there's a vacuum out there that will be filled by someone in the street and then of course you get more tension between the community and the police. not a good thing. >> when there's a leak there's always an agenda behind it. so can that information be trusted? >> i don't trust it because there's so much misinformation in this case and i mean real misinformation. the washington post came without the information about freddy gray hurting himself and then of course the washington post is an esteemed newspaper and probably the most trusted reporter in baltimore said no the information to the contrary, he said it was a very quiet ride. so, two sources i trust very much from my news contradicting each other. so i dwhegzquestion the verasty of it. >> there is a gentleman that says he was in the back of the van. because sometimes there's no paperwork or they don't want to tell you about it. what goes on with the police department in these types of situations? >> they will arrest the individual and supposed to take them to central booking and that's the place where they house individuals and once they're arrested they're in the custody and then they're placed in the computer maybe they're sitting there for a while, a shift change and some people may even get a walk through and not get charged. and maybe the computer work hasn't been updated. >> so it's basically not that organized organized. >> and ivan has been on both sides of the aisle. i think it's really difficult in terms of figuring out what happened especially when you have these leaks that we're getting but i also think and it's something that we've talked about, don, i remain uncomfortable with police officers investigating their own. >> you read my mind. >> i remain uncomfortable with that. i remain uncomfortable that prosecutors investigating those officers that they work day in and day out. when i was a prosecutor i was loathed to investigate the officers or agents because you become so close, you trust each other and it's a difficult task. when you have cases like freddy gray and cases we've seen all around the country, there really needs to be a different system and perhaps it needs to be always an independent investigator. >> and speaking of that preliminary report, it came out a day early, so they their act together in terms of this report. do you think this helped defuse some of the tension that was brewing maybe as it relates to tomorrow? >> i think what's important, talking about the independent investigation, don, is that one thing that 21st century task force clearly states is that we should move toward doing independent investigations. all the reasons that sunny just stated and in addition to that as well if we're trying to build relationships and trust with our communities, it's often seen that it's much better to do when you have outside, independent investigators looking into fatalities that may have occurred as result of one of your officers. and the flip side of that is that for years the police departments have done their own homicide investigations as it relates to fatalities and they have dawn great job have done a good job. and we need to move this to independent outside sources because one thing that's not going to change is the forensics evidence, the forensic statements have always been the same and that's not going to change regardless of who does the investigation but i support those outside independent investigations. >> i think aervbedeverybody on the panel does. and you saw it live during our coverage. it was a protester, nabbed by officers in riot gear and pushed into a humvee. tonight he tells me what happened to him. that's next. namaste. stay. taking care of our teeth is one of them. when i brush my teeth, he gets a milk-bone brushing chew. just another way to keep ourselves healthy. i'll go change. while others go in circles... and repeat themselves... we choose to carve our own path, in the pursuit of exhilaration. the 306 horsepower lexus gs. experience the next level of performance, and there's no going back. lease the 2015 gs 350 f sport with complementary navigation system for these terms. see your lexus dealer. the real question that needs to be asked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day. whatever i can do to help compute a cure for cancer, that's what i'd like to do. ugh... ...heartburn. did someone say burn? 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>> what happened was i was walking peacefully and they said it was a tactic to wing me to them and bubble me in. so, i was confused because i thought they already knew who i was but it was a whole other line up. and they used the humvee to block me in from a angle and it was like a bubble formation. i couldn't go backwards and as they approached me they had their shields, which cut me a little bit and they blocked me in. >> let me see. >> as the humvee was moving really slow they was moving me with it and they sat me in that seat that's right there by the door and drove me to the paddy wagon and transported me to central booking. >> we thought they put you in the crowd but they put you right into the humvee. sgl they came altogether. i'm in the center and as the car was moving, i was walking with them but then i -- it's like i got sucked in like a vacuum cleaner. it is like the humvee was a vacuum cleaner and i was going in the humvee. >> what were you thinking? >> what did i do wrong? i thought they knew who i was. we had an agreemntsent that if i keep all these protesters peaceful and leave by curfew that i would be safe and protected on my end and i kept my word and they didn't. that's why i was so confused as to why they were grabbing me. >> why were you out there? >> i wanted to stand up for what was right. >> what do you wanted them to know about you? >> that it wasn't my fault and i'll be here until we get answers about police brutality and not in baltimore, but all over the world. and we're going to be positive and stand together as one, i encourage everybody to come out here. >> thank you. 21-year-old young man, ed north is back with us. and they're all with us. so, ed he said that humvee sucked him up like a vacuum cleaner. do you train your department to do that or is that national guard? who's in charge here? >> i don't know who did that but certainly our s.w.a.t. team would be able to do and that's the way it's supposed to go and they did an amazing job and it's very funny the way he described it though. >> on the air that night, because people think we're watching at home and we have these tiny monitors out here and i was like did somebody just get hit because we're watching on these small monitors and i said that looked like a smooth move and he said the same thing to me was it was pretty smooth he wasn't happy about it and his friend said he probably should have had his but at home but he's a very nice young man. >> and i think there are people trying to be provocative and civilly disobedient but i still think the police orc straighting an arrest with somewhat of restraint and it did seem to be a flawless execution of that. >> like we said, a pretty smooth move. move. do you have concerns about the state's attorney? >> i do. one of the problems i have is this is a homicide investigation ms. mowsly's never covered a homicide or -- >> but she's an insurance attorney, right? >> she was for many years. who are you serving? yes, you're serving the public but i believe she has a couple of conflicts here. one of those is her husband, this is his district. >> do you think that's a conflict? >> there is. say she doesn't indict who are the citizens going to take it out on. >> did she win people over? did he have help -- >> one of her biggest supporters happens to be mr. gray's family attorney, mr. murphy. so when you sit down and look at that conflict and when you look at the issues twl, ss there, as well as the police officers them schbl themselves, because she work frszs for the police officers. >> i want to read part of her statement. it says "while we have and will continue to leverage the information received by the department, we are not relying solely on their findings but rather the facts that we have gathered." what do you make of that statement? >> well it's hard to make anything of it. it's somewhat vague quite frankly and maybe it needs to be in a little further context. but let me say this in regards to the state's attorney right there. i certainly understand the concerns that everyone has about her but when you're asking and so often we hear that people indigenous to the community she serves, she's indigenous to the community in which she serves and even though there may be some concerns about it at the end of the day we have to respect that she was electseded by the people in the community. so it's are important to look at how the case evolves but in all fairness, she is indigenous and grew up in that community for the 35 years of her life and this is just -- that's just the reality of it but i'm hopeful and i'm also very confident that she's going to do a good job and the very best job i think that we could expect under the circumstances. >> okay. we have much more to come in the city of baltimore under a mandatory curfew for the third night in a row. and coming up the powerful african american women in charge of keeping the peace. i take these out... ...to put in dr. scholl's active series insoles. they help reduce wear and tear on my legs, becuase they have triple zone protection. ... and reduce shock by 40%. so i feel like i'm ready to take on anything. will you help us find a house for you and your brother? 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>> actually my youngest son, plays for loyola maryland sque i think they're like all of us that they're a little bit shocked that this is happening in the united states of america but baltimore is an amazing city wonderful people. we've spent a vast amount of time in baltimore. i love the city and love the people in baltimore. and unfortunately through a series of events, this has happened and your take away is we want to fix it. because there's a side of baltimore that we're not seeing through these horrible past few days. there are people that want you to realize you don't have to look like something to love them. and s.j. is happy there, loves the people in baltimore and it's been a wonderful fit for both of my boys. we have a lot of friends, white, black, red, yellow blue, green, up town downtown middle of town and if we don't learn something from this it's a grave mistake on all our parts. >> you have been dubbed the warrior princess and what you saw, i'm sure you saw a gralt deal of the woman who was on video and getting her son out of the middle the protest, i was surprised that people had deraug tower things to say, because you have not only black women stand up to their kids you have all types of women and i think that's what he needed in the moment and she came through. do you see her as a hero? >> absolutely. i want her to have a cape a crown, and a tearera. that would have pailed in comparison to what i would have done to one of my kids. and good for her. that's called parenting. that's called loving your kids and i want to meet her, be her friend and i'm all about it. that's how i parent. so that's how sean and i raise our kids and i would have done the exact same thing. >> i did too and i was surprised when people were saying this is a terrible image that it puts out about african american -- i thought it was a great image. a woman trying to protect her child and doing it p ethe way she knows how and there are a million different ways to raise your kid and who are we to judge. >> i would have had a paddle in one hand and a broom in another. we need all follow her lead a little bit more than this sing cume byia stuff with your kids. you need to be a parent and not a friend and she was parenting. >> so sunny and lean i want to -- what perspective to you think women and moms bring to the table that allows them to see things a bit differently? sunny? >> i definitely think women, mothers have a different perspective. i think when you consider that -- when this happened when the rioting happened there were children out in the streets, right, so we know there were children let out of school. i think that was one of the mayor's contributions into militarizing the police. because when you have someone's children outside, that is definitely something that a mother will take into consideration. our strength and sensitivity as women, i think sometimes, i'm not shade or color but certainly it's part of the equation when we make decisions and i think it's a good part of making a decision. >> she said i just knew that was my son, i lucocked eyes on him and so many women have that and men don't have that natural instinct. much more live from baltimore. city under curfew tonight. unbelievable! toenail fungus? seriously? smash it with jublia! jublia is a prescription medicine proven to treat toenail fungus. use jublia as instructed by your doctor. look at the footwork! most common side effects include ingrown toenail, application-site redness itching, swelling, burning or stinging, blisters, and pain. smash it! make the call and ask your doctor if jublia is right for you. visit jubliarx.com for savings coupons. thank you for being a sailor, and my daddy. thank you mom, for protecting my future. thank you for being my hero and my dad. military families are thankful for many things. the legacy of usaa auto insurance could be one of them. our world-class service earned usaa the top spot in a study of the most recommended large companies in america. if you're current or former military or their family, see if you're eligible to get an auto insurance quote. ♪ ♪ ♪ if you can't put a feeling into words, why try? 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>> yeah. down the hill. this is east baltimore, just like west baltimore, opressed high unemployment rates, highand a lot of people struggling to survive. and a lot of working class people and amazing people that wake up and they work three jobs to survive. to live a simple life. >> how are you doing, officer? your experiences with police officers, many of them took place in this neighborhood? >> if you live in a black area that's poor they don't protect and serve, they enforce. >> do you ever have interactions with the cops? >> no. >> fortunately you don't. do you ever see it? >> yes. >> what do you see? >> harassment. pulling them to the side checking their pockets but not do anything that end. they'll just keep messing with them because of where they are or who they with. >> so this is getting out time for kids in school. so, if you were walking home from school what would happen? >> a lot of times we would stop over here at the basketball court and hoop, without even taking off our uniforms just play basketball until the sun went down and you would think seeing a group of kids play basketball would be safe place, a place we wouldn't have to worry about being harassed by police officers, but it's not. i remember police brutality going on frervorever. i don't remember a time when we weren't the focus of police brutality. i hope that we can take the energy that has been injected into our city from the freddy gray issue and turn it into a positive learning experience where everyone can see how important it is to make money in a legal way, invest in your neighborhood and just build. positive people are being pushed from seeing what's going on. >> you want to go higher? whoa. those are my new buddies. they were so cute. i want to bring in now my gust s guests. when you hear people criticize your former department what do you think about that? >> i find it amazing that in a city that has a tremendous poverty rate, it's one of the most dangerous cities in america still it seems like the police never get it right in baltimore, it seems like they stop the wrong people constantly and it's frustrating. there are bad police officers in every police department the wrong people are stopped and do get stopped occasionally but this argument is becoming preposterous and there's no bad activity, i don't hear the other side of the story at all in this. and i think it's dangerous. we're talking about the police incessantly. we're not talking about this ridiculous drug law we fight. how is this working for anybody? nothing has improved except the prisons are getting fuller. and of course education and poverty and all the disinfranchisement but all the conversation is on the police. i can't imagine that the police are the sole problem. >> does he have a point cedric? >> well yes he has a point and he's right on point. because there are a lot of good officers in cities across this great country that are doing work that go unnoticed often times but just like ed just stated, just like in any other profession, we locate them and move them out and i'm quite sure he had to do it over his career i certainly have had to in my time. and i'm pretty sure there are a lot of good officers in baltimore as well. >> so we've been talking about -- we do spend a lot of time talking about how police officers and police departments get it wrong. what's a police department that is getting it right? >> to be sure it's a difficult job. i work would police officers day in and day out when i was a prosecutor and there are good police officers but we do have to recognize that there is an epidemic of police officers using excessive force against african american men. and i don't think that we're talking too much about police and that they are good guys and obviously at this point, there are more than just a few bad apples. i think we need to talk about community policing. there used to be the beat cops on the street and there was a trust in the community. we're having a crisis in confidence in our police forces around the country and i don't think it's fair to sweep it under the rug and say, we're bashing the police. >> we do a lot of police bashing and many times it's warranted. and we shouldn't have to always give the caviate that there are a few bad apples. if you watch the news you see a lot of police bashing but my thing is what happens with the kids? because i wanted to scoop those kids up and take them home until they they get old enough to -- but this is really about the future of these children. what do we do here? >> we have to let them know that we love them and care for them and that they will make mistakes and provide guidance and learn that in making the mistakes they have to learn from them. and the path to success is closed. they can't get a job or rent an apartment and they feel disinon for -- disinfranchised. >> that play ground was awful. we're going to go swinging. that's sunny's old neighborhood. if you're taking multiple medications does your mouth often feel dry? a dry mouth can be a side effect of many medications. but it can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath. that's why there's biotene available as an oral rinse toothpaste, spray or gel. biotene can provide soothing relief and it helps keep your mouth healthy too. remember, while your medication is doing you good a dry mouth isn't biotene, for people who suffer from a dry mouth. there's some facts about seaworld we'd like you to know. we don't collect killer whales from the wild. and haven't for 35 years. with the hightest standard of animal care in the world our whales are healthy. they're thriving. i wouldn't work here if they weren't. and government research shows they live just as long as whales in the wild. caring for these whales, we have a great responsibility to get that right. and we take it very seriously. because we love them. and we know you love them too. don't just visit new york. visit tripadvisor new york. tripadvisor not only has millions of real traveler's reviews and opinions, but checks hundreds of websites, so people can get the best hotel prices. to plan, compare & book the perfect trip, visit tripadvisor.com today. now? 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