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And let me finish by answering the initial part of your question, if i may. the way i look at it is, what ive been telling my colleagues, and it surprises them sometimes, in those rooms. and i dont know whether you heard, but both meetings went very well. i mean, they were collegial. no ones hollering, everybodys, you know -- and people were hanging out afterwards in the oval and, anyway -- both the progressives, as well as the moderates. and one of the things that i think is important for -- an...