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one unaffiliated democratic strategist saying "there is a whole operation going on which his genius and it's going to help them win on the second ballot. they're telling them that's their strategy. this is "outnumbered" and i melissa francis. here today's harris faulkner, fox news contributor lisa boothe is here as well, executive director of the serve america pac, fox news contributor marie harf and in the center seat, david webb, a host "reality check" on fox nation and sirius xm radio host and he is "outnumbered." this primary -- you're doing it well. this primary reminds me a lot of the one that we saw last time around, feels very much like that panic around president trump, if he becomes the nominee he can't possibly win the general. i wonder if bernie is not a whole lot more dangerous than people are giving him credit for being. >> david: a week ago on this channel someone told me they have two front runners, they have a split party. they actually have the bloomberg effort and the bernie sanders effort. joe biden is irrelevant to this, he's gone, is not going to work. bloomberg who has been allocating capital for a number of years, the midterm elections, access into the delegates, setting up his organization, actually committing a hostile takeover. look at this, it's a hostile takeover of the dnc, 106,500, three checks one day to them in november, what is he done? building his infrastructure. >> melissa: what do you think, harris? >> harris: you bring up a lot there and the question will be, when bernie sanders faced hillary clinton, were her negatives as big or the same as michael bloomberg? because what happened at that debate this week? we got to see those negatives on bloomberg, everything was exposed and he didn't have a lot of answers for it, he didn't have hillary clinton's talent on that debate stage. >> david: i am no -- >> harris: does the money make up the difference for that? >> david: you need to buy the ad time, access to inventory. >> harris: and on the ground with staffing, even. >> david: inventory, digital inventory, radio television, the dnc will have to go back to bloomberg and people are paying attention to the headlines, but pay attention to bloomberg, who knows how to allocate his capital, he did it to become mayor of the third time and set it up so no one else can do it after him. >> melissa: i wonder, too, the conventional wisdom is these candidates are tearing each other apart, doing so much damage, another theory i totally disagree with because i think that if you look at the way michael bloomberg performed, that was the result of bypassing the traditional system and when you do the retail politics and go sit in the diner and go to new hampshire where those are the most educated voters you'll ever encounter, they take it so seriously, they ask you every question, that gets your game up and when this is over, the democratic candidate that emerges is going to be tough. >> marie: in 2016 we said the same thing about the republican debates, those were really nasty to each other and the candidates still won the general election. there's a lot of democratic bedwetting going on, some of it is warranted and some of it is not. to your point, melissa, i don't agree with most of bernie sanders policies but i know he has a movement behind him and i think there is a path for him to beat donald trump. i think it would be disastrous down ballot for democrats in the senate and in the house but to your point, michael bloomberg is challenging the conventional wisdom that debates matter, he's not even on the ballot until super tuesday. he's betting that more voters in super tuesday states will see his ads and watches debates and that's what he's betting on. >> harris: he's in trouble, he didn't have an answer and i read that there are dozens of women held by these nda's. dude, you're not making it any better for yourself. the second thing was, and i will be quick, lisa, i want to get you in here. the second thing, the second lane where he's in trouble is with people of color because he has the big black america sign on his podium but what he doesn't have as an answer on stop and frisk and hey, he could just say, these are the numbers and this is what happened and i'm trying to do my best, i'm done. >> melissa: i almost think mike bloomberg got into this originally to get around campaign finance laws. if he's not in the race anymore he can put any had in there. then he started drinking the kool-aid and was like well, wait a second, maybe i can win this thing. >> lisa: ads are cheaper if you are purchasing them as a candidate. when he first entered -- look, mike bloomberg has a great pr team and a great communications team around him because we are all talking about someone who hasn't won a single delegate and when we saw the unfiltered version of mike bloomberg, he fell flat. this is not a good candidate, not someone who is going to defeat donald trump, donald trump will destroy him if they ever ended up on a debate stage and even before the debate, really seeing the real version of mike bloomberg, people were talking about how somehow this race is going to end up between bernie sanders and mike bloomberg before he'd even been on a debate stage, before he won a delegate and now we are talking about how somehow mike bloomberg has this grand strategy for a brokered contest at convention and he's going to end up being the nominee. the guy has not won a single delegate. >> melissa: to give him a strategy -- i would also say that it's not just that he's betting more people will watch his commercials than the debate, the problem is -- >> harris: that's actually true. >> melissa: it is but the buzz from the debate has also reverberated everywhere, it's not just that you have to watch the debate, it's that everybody on the planet has heard that he was a disaster. >> harris>> david: the highest watched -- this was the highest watched a debate for the democrats so far. why was it the highest watch debate? because michael bloomberg was finally there. i don't like his policies on the second amendment, a host of other things, but i'll tell you what he does do, he knows how to play his game smarter. he didn't make $60 billion being an amateur and this hostile takeover of the democrats, it's not just about this presidential election, it's about his future and what he wants to do next. >> melissa: the opposite side of that argument, i think it's not a hostile takeover, they are taking his money and going yeah whatever and i think he did buy is way further into the race than the other people who have fallen by the wayside but that didn't help him that much because everybody has heard, the cover of every newspaper was how bloodied he was. >> lisa: jeb bush spent 30 times more per voter in new hampshire, ended up in fourth place and president trump won. money doesn't always equate to being a good candidate and being able to resonate and connect with voters and that is mike bloomberg's biggest problem is mike bloomberg and we are all overlooking bernie sanders who is the biggest threat to the other democrats in the primary and i also think the general election for president trump. >> harris: i want to ask about the cash because when you talk about the $400 million bloomberg has already spent and all he can do on the ground, the one thing he can to do is build a revolution and the following that bernie sanders has right now, he does need to get his bernie bros together because a few of them are out of control. they feel like they were robbed, they feel like he was robbed, i don't know if michael bloomberg can buy love. >> marie: bernie does have a movement and enthusiasm behind him. >> david: i don't think bloomberg has to buy love, i think he just has to have bernie implode. last year looking at this without the right or left point of view, looking at the tactics, the strategies being deployed by them and the movement bernie has built over decades where he's changed to the democratic party from outside views to views on socialism and communism because he does promote communist policies and he's leading it in, his fight is going to a brokered convention, i would take that bet in vegas. >> melissa: democrats don't have nevada to themselves, what president trump is doing there today amid new signs that he's energizing republicans across the country. plus, lawmakers briefed on new evidence of russia meddling in u.s. elections, the followed on next. ♪ i like liberty mutual. they get that no two people are alike and customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. what do you think? 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>> this is a story that said guess what, you need air to breathe. all the people, you can pretty much dismissed 90% of what comes out of "the new york times," to count the days. look at the number of days joe maguire has been in, not going to get a senate confirmation on a new dni, what do you do, go to someone i've known for decades, turn around and look at some of these, although stories of palace intrigue, the fact that he says russia is going to metal, thank you. it's a flop of a story. >> melissa: it is perfect russia meddling if they say we want to help president trump because that's going to get underneath his skin because he doesn't want anybody to believe that they are rooting for him. he's also, if you look at his actual policies -- >> harris: the democrats don't want that either. >> melissa: they would want people to think that russia is meddling on the side of the president. if you look at what the president has done, president obama's ambassador to russia said the president has held a tougher line, the toughest sanctions in venezuela, screwed up their gas pipeline to europe with sanctions, that was a disaster. he's ramped up military spending, questioning treaties which seem to have only held russia. >> david: vladimir putin is at times a strategic competitor to the united states. >> harris: he's always that. why did we do something about russia? it can be any country. >> david: the obama administration in the 27 teen report. >> marie: i remember when we first started getting reports like this in the intelligence committee, there are people who criticized us for not putting more out publicly then in one of the reasons we did it because we try to deal with it quietly and hoped it would stop. let me finish. setting that aside, i think there was out of fear that if you confronted russia publicly they would ramp it up. i actually have thought about that a lot, i think the intelligence community thinks they can today, to go public with more of this. we know what to look for. we know -- >> harris: there is probably very little we do that determines what russia will do. david just said it. they're looking out for themselves. >> marie: melissa named a lot of things at the trump administration has done, those are all too. he's also routinely downplayed their interference because he feels threatened by it and we have evidence that 2016 that was a bigger interference than we've seen before. >> lisa: to david's point, look at some of the actions we've seen in russia previously, they have been accused of attacking the ukrainian power grid, germany accused russia of attacking their computer system, the german parliament, this is what russia does. what is dangerous is you have one party that has weaponized things that have long happened for political reasons to try to delegitimize president trump's victory in 2016 and they're now trying to get ahead of it. these are the same people purporting to be concerned about russia undermining american's faith in our election system, you're the one is doing that. >> harris: why didn't we use the gap. i argue i don't think it matters who is in office. >> melissa: marie's point, i wanted to make sure i quoted this properly, we need to go public with all these threats, having learned the lessons from last time, they are doing a different approach having looked in the past and said being quiet before didn't work, let's be more public. >> marie: it's not democrats, it's intelligence official sounding this alarm. >> harris: president trump reacting to roger stone's sentencing yesterday. whether the commander in chief is considering a pardon. the president taking on his democratic opponent as new data shows he's energizing republicans to run for congress. the impact it can have on the balance of power on the hill. ♪ break out the butter lobsterfest has something for every lobster fan like wild caught lobster, butter poached, creamy and roasted. or try lobster sautéed with crab, shrimp and more. so hurry in and let's lobsterfest. or get it to go at red lobster dot com so hurry in and let's lobsterfest. ior anything i want to buy isk going to be on rakuten. rakuten is easy to use, free to sign up and it's in over 3,000 stores. i buy a lot of makeup. shampoo, conditioner. books, food. travel. shoes. stuff for my backyard. anything from clothes to electronics. workout gear. i even recently got cash back on domain hosting. you can buy tires. to me, rakuten is a great way to get cash back on anything you buy. rack it up with rakuten, sign up today to get cash back on everything you buy. 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>> marie: democrats are also raising a lot of money. these are different kinds of republican candidates, we've seen a number of incumbent republican house members retiring, a lot of retirements in texas. all of them for different reasons but a lot of sort of -- i don't want to say establishment republicans but current republicans are retiring, similar to the number of candidates we saw in the midterms on the democratic side, there's a lot of enthusiasm on the ground on both sides of the aisle for people to get involved and people to run, everyone is raising a ton of money. i think impeachment will probably turn out to excite both bases, the question is always the independence and in the midterms and state elections, president trump was inaugurated, independents, particularly wom women, that's the question about impeachment. those other groups of voters people are going after. >> melissa: this is what's interesting to me, you talk about the kind of candidates, an interesting point. the new republicans we see coming up like i mentioned, katie gibbs in new jersey as somebody who you look at her resume, she would've been a democrat before. she's real trump-republican. she's aligned with labor, the working middle class. you see the parties going to this kind of different place for the house and senate but on the presidential side it's the opposite. >> david: there's something else about these "moderates" who ran in the midterm elections, if you look at their voting records many of them don't go very moderate, they vote with the leftist agenda, the democrat party. what's happening now is typical in a lot of election cycles, the energy carried by the godzilla, creator of godzilla, thank you very much, godzilla kept coming back and back into this century and the next century, trump is reenergized every time you attack him, the energy translates to others who say hang on, to put it lightly, and establishment candidate and an anti-trumper in many ways. he's getting out of th. >> marie: pushing out establishment republicans, democrats are going to take those seats. to be one that is interesting. >> david: i've never hired a lawyer and guaranteed a verdict, some things are possible. >> lisa: i agree with marie on this in the sense that it is easier to win reelection as an incumbent than a newcomer so when you have an income but retire particularly in those swing districts it is a lot harder. >> harris: only because i've interviewed him, one of the reasons he wanted to get out of the race was so he can work on building a wider tent for republicans and that he was dedicated to doing that, couldn't really do that as an in-seat lawmaker. he might not of been vote by vote yoked with this current president. i haven't looked at it as closely. >> melissa: could there really be a peace deal with the taliban and? 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"we've come to an understanding with the taliban on an understanding of violence across afghanistan. this is the first step on a long road of peace and i call on all afghans to seize this opportunity." what do you say, marie harf? >> marie: this is big news. this is something, if it works i would -- looking at the details would fully support. we have to remember, our national security interest in being in afghanistan was to punish al qaeda after 9/11, the taliban is not trying to attack the homeland. they are bad people but we did what we went there to do and 19 years later, we need a way out of it. i don't know how you can look at any 18-year-old kid in the face today and tell them why they're going to afghanistan. >> lisa: how strong is al qaeda now? >> marie: in afghanistan it's not that strong, it's moved to places like yemen, libya, parts of africa and quite frankly, pakistan, not afghanistan. al qaeda is no longer using afghanistan as a base to plot and plan against us, that has moved elsewhere. this is -- i am cautiously hopeful about this. >> melissa: what are some of the things that you would need to make a be there to keep it real? >> melissa>> marie: i would like something like that to have some sort of intelligence sharing agreement, some way for us to keep eyes on the ground to make sure al qaeda can't reconstitute there. >> lisa: what does a significant reduction in violence mean? we had a tentative deal in september, that fell through and the taliban took responsibility for killing an american soldier and president trump said deal off. >> harris: if it wasn't for us or for russia. >> lisa: i don't know what the answer is. >> david: there isn't a good answer, this is a situation where you deal with the reality on the ground, logistically we can deploy as we did for the last decade plus into afghanistan if needed, pakistan and india which no one talks about has a vital interest the there. we should be able to go back in, we can set up if you want to call it annexes or ways to go in it but it's time to get out and we have to admit the fact that there isn't a good answer but when necessarily we have the logistics and capability to go in. >> harris: i don't think i've seen all of you agree. but this is a point that americans should agree. what do you say about the 18-year-old you would apply now from 19 years before? >> david: whether we rather than a discussion that's been going on on the media, deal with it for what it is, let the taliban kill each other if they want but we don't want t chyron establishing footholds. >> harris: that's a clear doctrine. that's a clear end game. we will move forward. this is happening, "the new york times" published an op-ed written by the deputy leader of the taliban. it's called "what we the taliban want" which argues for a peace deal with the united states. one senior correspondent for the times tweeted this. "the peace in nyt opinion which is independent of our news operations and judgment on meds' of facts. he's behind some of the most ruthless attacks of this war with many civilian lab sauce. >> david: look at the history that's not just ten years old, 20 years old but a thousand plus years old, peace is a period to rearm and fight, it's just a reality, deal with it for what it is. >> melissa: i think this reporter's point is that you need to put in parentheses at the bottom, the context from which he is speaking and you don't want -- >> marie: this is the question, i was going to ask you to this, you interview someone, you interview people you know are not going to say truthful things that are bad guys but you do it because it's newsworthy, right? >> harris: that's with the person wh who tweeted with sayi, this is not a kin to -- this is not part of the news portion of what they do at "the new york times," it's editorial, it's a p.r. piece. when you watch editorial anywhere you watch it, the best interviews are the ones that have some oppositional nature to them. the ones where we feel like we learned something between the lines. >> marie>> lisa: 100%, that's a differentiator here. he can sit down, that's not true. but it's an op-ed, you are literally give them an opportunity to push their propaganda in their own terms without question so i think that's the issue and where it was maybe ill-advised for them to run the op-ed. >> harris: we've had this conversation about "the new york times" before, you and i have talked about this in the past where there arms are different, you got the front page versus the editorial page but you have people underneath an umbrella talking to each other, i go back to that sunday night where there is to cowriters who a book but they were reporter saying stuff on twitter that was counterproductive. >> david: i remember my early days in newspaper, it's where i started, there are editors that talk to each other, "the new york times" cannot pretend unless they completely thrown out organizational structure that their editor's opinion and news don't talk to each other. >> melissa: i think it's an interesting voice to hear from the other side argue their point of view, maybe there's is something you accompany it with, by the way, this is who this person is and what they've done and maybe that's the objection. >> harris: the president weighing in on longtime ally roger stone being sentenced to more than three years in prison. could a part in becoming? >> he's a smart guy, he's a little different but those are sometimes the most interesting. but he's a good person, his family is fantastic. ♪ president trump warned the drug companies. it's unacceptable that americans pay vastly more than people in other countries, for the exact same drugs. but they aren't listening. they've just raised the prices of over five hundred drugs. president trump supports a bipartisan plan, that would force drug companies to lower prices. but the senate won't act. tell senate leaders to stop drug company price gouging and lower drug prices now. hi with the world'se first invisible trailer. invisible trailer? and it's not the trailer right next to us? this guy? you don't believe me? hop in. good lookin' pickup, i will say that. oh wow. silverado offers an optional technology package with up to 15 different views - including one enhanced view that makes your trailer appear invisible. wow. - that's pretty sweet. - that's cool. oooohh! that's awesome. where'd the trailer go? i love it. it's magic. [ fast-paced drumming ] >> marie: president trump sounding optimistic about his one-time associate roger stone's future just hours after a federal judge sentenced him to up to more than three years in prison on charges of witness tampering and lying to congress. >> roger stone, he's become a big part of the news over the last little while and i'm following this very closely and i want to see it play out to its fullest because roger has a very good chance of exoneration in my opinion. my strong opinion that the four women of the jury, the woman in charge of the jury is totally tainted. >> marie: the president also indicated he wants the court process to play out and is not ready to give stone a pardon just yet. we talked about this the entire hour yesterday, we got the verdict, the judge of the case maybe did that in part to try to prevent a pardon. >> melissa: totally, it now cap the legs out from underneath a pardon, all president trump president trump criminal justice reforms have been excessive sentencing so by virtue of her going to exactly what bill barr recommended it, you can't say it was an excessive sentence. you have what happened with history for person and to me, you know, that is the very basis of our criminal justice system is that you are judged by a jury who sits down and gives you a fair shake and doesn't come in with preconceived ideas about your guilt or innocence, that's what we would all want if we were in that seat and i think when the president says he's going to be exonerated, i don't know, i'm not a lawyer but this seems like reversible error to me in terms of the jury for person. >> harris: i think we need to know that prosecutors knew that she was posting anti-trunk bias type things and they didn't use their okay, we take a pass on that juror, they didn't play that. >> david: they actually didn't have that option. >> harris: the doj prosecutor yesterday told them they did, that had they interviewed her and seen a flag -- >> david: in federal versus state process where there is a potential juror it's a bit different because the judge has more to say in the federal and can override rather than in a state where you have -- >> harris: let me broaden out the context, anybody looking at that particular juror who is being asked questions, if she had said openly, i have posted such and such with her group on social media, they to they take a pass on that or did they know, or not ask? >> david: that's a really good question, a team of attorneys to say let this juror and because we can go back on appeal and fight. it is part of legal strategy. >> lisa: perhaps the sentencing he received his because it's what makes the most sense for a nonviolent offender which is why the department of justice came in and amended the original sentencing which was 7-9 years which is insane and typically reserved for armed robbery or something like that. that's what made the most sense. regarding tamika hart, she ran for congress as a democrat, how could someone not -- it's insane to not be concerned about that. i also think another issue that i find interesting is the main witness, wrote to judge saying look, i don't think you should be incarcerated and also saying he never felt threatened by roger stone so i think there's things to look at year that reasonable-minded people regardless of what side of the aisle you're on. >> david: i'm no fan of roger stone, our interactions have not been good, they are documented and made it to the newspapers back in '06-'08. the fact is that the way they did this, the helicopter, for a guy that couldn't run away if he tried, this was a show that was put on and this is a problem with that. >> marie: we will keep watching this, certainly. we will be on pardon watch. democrata major american univers actually doing it, whether the move could have unintended consequences. ♪ liberty biberty- cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ >> lisa: at the university of southern california announcing it will waive all tuition fees for any student whose family makes under $80,000 a year. usc will also no longer consider whether the student owns a home when determining financial aid. university president said in a statement, "we are opening the door wider to make the usc education possible for talented students from all walks of life. this significant step we are taking today is by no means the end of affordability journey." david, usc has obviously come under fire with the college admissions scandal. is this a p.r. move? >> david: i don't know if it's not, but have a question. who pays? >> lisa: melissa kim asked me to have to that president trump, if you are listening, this is the solution. you make the schools take the loss. when people default on their debt, it shouldn't fall on the backs of the kids who were over a charge. because by definition they bought something that was north with a paid for it. if the university sells to a degree and you don't get a job that pays enough to pay it back, they didn't do a very good job of educating you or they sold you a degree for too high a price. maybe it should cost less to study something where the job when you come out isn't going to make that much. but it shouldn't be the taxpayer that has to bear the burden and it shouldn't be the students and their family. it should be the university. in that case, prices would go down, universities would watch their budgets a lot more closely, they would do a better job, and they would pick students based on who was going to succeed. >> david: viability. you think about placement, they would improve their placement. again, accountability requires that the university bear the load. >> melissa: they should share the burden for this. >> marie: i agree with the concept that universities need to bear more of the burden on the risk here, just in the student loan crisis alone i think we need to. i think it's a really interesting idea. >> lisa: it might solve a lot of problems. >> david: by the way, they'll never do it. they'll never do it because usc wants the money train to come from the taxpayers. >> melissa: but the whole thing is that you put that burden on families who don't have a lot of money and they think this is the magic bullet. they save up forever and they go into debt because they think their kids are going to have a better life. and it breaks my heart to see these families with all this debt. especially when parents are doing it for their kids, and the kids take on the loan and they think they are going to be able to pay it off. it's the university's problem. >> david: but try educating your kids. college isn't for everybody and your precious little package may not be capable of getting through college. >> melissa: i don't know about that. anyway, all right, we will leave it there. david webb, we are going to be back here on monday. here's harris. >> harris: we begin with this fox news alert, and we are watching nevada as 2020 democrats are making their final pitches as of tomorrow's caucuses. "outnumbered overtime" now, i'm harris faulkner. polls show bernie sanders is leading in nevada. and as rivals seem to be a bit anxious that has momentum could be unstoppable, after making mike bloomberg the punching bag at this week's democratic debate, candidates are back to their attacks on the senator from vermont. >> i think it would be a very tough sell. but i think it would be very tough sell with mike bloomberg, too. that's why i'm saying we don't have to choose between these two coke options. there's another way. >> he said it was a tough state to run end.
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