so outer space still remains almost impossibly far away. that's very sad. but that wasn't the only option. he also offered one other next best option for humankind. he called it, quote, much more realistic than space travel. he declared that what we humans must do at this point in human history is that we must move into the sea. we should become sea dwellers. quote, between cyber space and outer space lies the possibility of settling the oceans. we may have reached the stage at which it is economically feasible or where it will soon be economically feasible. it is a realistic risk. i eagerly support this. the idea was that we should basically build new teeny, tiny personal cities, city-states, unlike shipping containers that are floating in the ocean.
impossible and the only way that human -- sorry, humans can ever be free again is to move into space, presumably with no girls allowed. if we can't move into space, we have to move into the oceans. weird dude, right? that is why i thought it was weird when the republican party gave that dude a prime time speaking slot on the last night of the republican national convention this summer. i remember covering the convention at the time. and everybody else involved in covering the convention is like, oh, yeah, this is where the internet billionaire guy is going to be talking, this early trump supporter from silicon valley. okay, yes, those things are true, good to know those things about him. but also he really does want us all to form new countries on shipping containers floating in the ocean because democracy and freedom can't exist as long as women vote. he's the guy with the
anti-democracy manifesto. how can the republican party be showcasing somebody who thinks we vul have to abandon this country and move into the sea in how can they be doing this? sometimes in space no one can hear you scream. it's probably true in shipping containers on the open seas as well. but there he was at the rnc, which was freaking nuts, but there he was. and today we learn that, at his request, the trump folks have put two people from his hedge fund in charge of transition efforts at the department of treasury and the department of commerce. and beyond that the big one he's apparently going for in the new administration is the fda of all things, the food and drug administration, which is in charge of keeping our food safe and making sure that vaccines and drugs and stuff are not just safe but also effective. peter thiel, this eccentric silicon valley billionaire who
is convinced that women voting killed the country and we need to abolish democracy and move into the sea. he's suggested that one of the executives from his financial firms is the guy who the trump administration should appoint to run the fda. this guy is not a doctor. no medical background unlike every other fda director for the last half a century. but he does share two grand plans, at least two that we know of. he shares two grand plans with this billionaire eccentric who apparently has donald trump's ear. and who the rnc had speak at their convention. they apparently share at least two big ideas, two big plans. the first thing that we know they're on the same page about is moving into the sea. honestly, this guy is on the board of the let us live in shipping containers on the ocean group. he's on the board of the sea studding organization that wants to give everybody their own country in the form of a floating island on the ocean.
this is from the very start of peter thiel's manifesto. he published right after obama was inaugurated in 2009. quote, i stand against the ideology of the inevitability of the death of every individual. did you know that was an ideology? that's quite an ism. some people inevitably have to die, but according to peter thiel not everybody has to die. i stand against the ideology of the inevitability of the death of every individual. that is part of -- that's the prologue of peter thiel's manifesto why we shouldn't have democracy anymore, how women voting killed the country and how we have to move either into space or into the sea. it's something he's been working on as a secret plan for years.
we don't know exactly how peter thiel is doing it but there have been multiple reports that he's involved in some sort of regimen he believes will prevent his death forever. which makes me want to go mwah-ha-ha, make you say hide the bats. his colleague, this person he's now having the trump transition consider as the leading candidate to run the food and drug administration. here's that guy just two years ago giving a speech on immortality and how venture capitalists and investors need to change the way they're spending money and investing and stuff in order to get us there if we can only invent good new business models that will make us live forever. i'll play you a little clip. i'll warn you he's a very, very boring speaker, but immortality really is what this whole speech is about. what he calls rejuvenation and reversing aging. so at least the right people just don't have to die anymore.
>> rejuvenation and reversing aging does not fit the narrow definition of singularity. there's no business model. it's scientifically achievable. i think most of us believe that. >> scientifically achievable. most of us believe that. when he says rejuvenation and reversing aging, to be clear, he's not talking about better skin care that makes your wrinkles disappear as if you have reverse aged. he's literally reverse aging. so like you're 71. you're never going to be 72 and that's not because you're going to die because next year you'll be 68 or maybe 38, depends on how much you take. you can stay the same age forever or you can get even younger if you want to. the lucky ones who presumably can afford it or whatever can live forever with or without the vampiric feeding on others. so ahem, what do we make of this?
you can see why peter thiel is putting this guy forward for a high ranking influential position in the new administration, right? this guy is right out of his crazy billionaire wheelhouse moving into private floating islands in the sea for freedom. also eternal hif. life. but now here's bloomberg news reporting him as the first named candidate for the position of fda administrator in the new trump administration. incidentally, he said in that same speech, the sboring speech that i just showed you that clip from, he said that maybe when it comes to pharmaceuticals in this country we shouldn't have clinical trials for drugs anymore. we should just put drugs out on the open market, just sell them, let people use them. see what happens and the free market will sort it out. if anything got attention about this guy today, that proposal got attention. and i get that, i get that that would be a very intense change at the fda.
that would be sort of undoing the whole process of the fda. even as a person who kind of cares about the fda, i am a person who cares about the drug approval process, i find it hard to care about that statement from him. i find it hard to focus on that statement about the futility of clinical trials. when he made that statement in the context of a broader overall speech of how we really all can live forever, mwah-ha-ha. this is not part of you get right with god and you can live forever. this is you get to live in san leandro for the rest of your life. you get to be 1,000 years old and look 30. they're working on it. that's apparently who trump is considering to run the food and drug administration. that happened today. the incoming administration also announced today that linda mcmahon who is a wrestling
executive, also a very wealthy republican donor, she donated $6.5 million to the trump for president effort. she was announced today as the trump administration's nominee to lead the small business administration. transition also announced that the long serving republican governor of iowa, terry branstad will be the incoming administration's new choice to be the ambassador to china. the transition announced a name to head up the epa. that's an interesting one. we'll have more on him in just a moment. but the really big position that was announced today, not just floated like this epa guy but actually announced today was the designated nominee for the department of homeland security. the largest agency in government. in fact, i think, the largest organization of any kind in the world is the u.s. department of defense. the second largest agency after that in our government is veterans affairs and the third largest agency after that is department of homeland security. after 9/11, 22 different
agencies, everything from airport security to the coast guard to the secret service to the plum island animal disease center, all these different organizations and agencies from all these different parts of the government were all cobbled together into a giant, giant new mega agency. it was the biggest reorganization of government since right after world war ii when we created the defense department. we created homeland security, it created this sort of mega domestic security remit under one cabinet official. we never had something like this before as a country. something much more like having a home secretary in britain or in lots of other countries they call somebody in this position the minister of the interior. we've never had something this overarching in terms of domestic security. but because this kind of job is specifically a domestic job focused on things that happen at home, focused on things that happen at homeland as we've all learned to be comfortable saying.
one thing that you see around the world in democratic countries that have this kind of position is when you have a home secretary type position or you have a minister of the interior type position in democracies all around the world, one hallmark of that type of government position is that it is not held by somebody from the military. because democracies don't use their militaries on their own soil, right? democracies don't use their militaries to control their own people. they don't use military force for domestic security. in democracies you don't want the military becoming a political weapon used at home by the nation's leader. you don't want the military becoming a separate political actor on their own terms with their own designs on domestic power, like egypt or the military took over after democracy had picked a bad leader. for all those big picture civics reasons, military leaders all over the world are kept pretty deliberately separate and apart
from this specific piece of domestic governing. when you have mennisters of the interior, secretaries of the interior, they're not military officials, they're not military officer. around the world. despite that norm and the reasons for it, the incoming administration announced for the fist time in the history of having a department of homeland security, the person they want to hd it will be a general who has been out of the service for less than a year. a general who has a 45-year career in the armed services. and that does not speak at all to general john kelly's good reputation and the high esteem people have for him inside and outside the serve,t doesn't say anything about whether he personally will be good for this job, but it's just unprecedented to have three generals and counting in cabinet level leadership jobs in our civilian government.
i mean, we've got a general as national security adviser, a general heading up the department of defense, a general heading up department of homeland security and counting. will there be more? it is unprecedented and even a little bit of an international shock wave for a democracy like ours to put a military leader into this specific job. because putting a military leader in charge of domestic security, that's something that nondemocracies do a lot of, but other democracies don't tend to do that. this is something that we've certainly never done before. but when the going gets weird, the going tends to get really weird. and things are getting weird and none of this is weird enough that i think we should start planning on living forever on floating shipping containers until all the democracies die and we can be free again. but the people who are counting on that and see that as the kind of solution that we ought to be thinking about for our nation and our world right now, i'm not
kidding, those folks are helping make decisions right at the top right now in our country. this is not a time to stop paying attention. we'll be right back.
that's why we're hiring 10,000 members of the military community by the end of 2017. i'm very proud of him. male vo: comcast. lots of focus right now in the news on what's going on with the incoming administration. tonight i'm here to tell you ere's also really interesting news on the states that are digging in their heels and planning on not going along with the new direction of the country. very interesting news on that front ahead. plus -- music. terrible, terrible music played by me straight ahead.
get involved in your schools because if our kids go down the tubes, we go with them. >> the more you know. and now to our off-brand cable news version of that called you know more now. [ laughter ] thank you, nick. so sometimes there's something in the news that ends in a bit of a cliff-hanger. we don't know how it's going to turn out. but then later we find out how it turned out. we find out more about how the whole situation resolved and the cliff-hanger is essentially solved. we learn how it all worked out. when that happens, we call it you know more now. so on monday, one of the more unexpected stories in politics was that former vice presint
al gore showed up at trump tower, and he was not lost. he was there to meet with the president-elect. it was a weird thing, right? the guy whose climate change documentary won an oscar, the guy who made it his life's work to convince people about climate change and get them to fight pit. there he is meeting with the guy who says climate change is a hoax invented by and for the chinese. so an interesting thing. kind of a conundrum, if donald trump is willing to meet with somebody like al gore, what does this mean that we should expect from him on environmental policy? well, you know more now. because today we learned who donald trump plans to nominate to lead the environmental protection agency. and it turns out it's the negative photo image of al gore. it's al gore backwards. it's erog la. backwards al gore, erog la.
it's scott pruitt. here's a taste of scott pruitt on climate change. global warming has inspired one of the major policy debates of our time. that debate is far from settled. scientists continue to disagree about the degree and extent of global warming and its connection to the actions of mankind. he wrote this in 2016. in 2011 an oil and gas company called devon, says epa letter draft. that's a three-page draft letter. and it's addressed to then epa administrator lisa jackson. and it complains that the epa vastly overstated how much air pollution is coming out of drilling for natural gas in the state of oklahoma. devon energy and this draft letter, they suggested letting the epa know how wrong they are about this issue. so devon energy drafted this
letter. but they did not send the letter to the epa. they sent that letter to the oklahoma attorney gp general's office. when scott pruitt got this, he selected select a, c copy, new document, control v, paste and then send. he forwarded the entire draft letter from devon energy directly to the epa. he only changed a couple words in the entire letter. he did take care to put it on his official attorney general masthead as if he had written it. but it was, in fact, a letter written by the oil industry, directly written by devon industry. mr. pruitt has also sued the environmental protection agency several times. one of those cases is still going through the courts. so if he is confirmed as the new administrator of the epa on day one of his new job scott pruitt will inherit a lawsuit against the epa that he brought against the epa.
and if you were not really sure about what he thinks about the epa, which is trump administration is going to put him in charge of, this is a line out of his official state bio. he brags, quote, scott pruitt is a leading advocate, scott pruitt is a leading advocate against the epa's activist agenda. a leading advocate. he'll now be in charge of the epa's activist agenda. you kind of have to admire the gumption on this one. but the cliff-hanger is over. your next epa administrator, not al gore. we'll be right back.
and if you provoke it and it weighs 1700 pounds, soon you will not have to play dead because -- yeah. grizzlies live in the u.s. now in parts of alaska, wyoming, montana, idaho and washington state. and there's one state that no longer has grizzly bears but they so identify with what a grizzly bear is like that they've kept their variety of ursus horribilus as their state animal. they've been provoked and right now just starting to growl and that very interesting provocative story is next.
some people got hurt that day. but that disaster of a rally in texas, in dallas, it did give us these guys. make texas mexico again. because texas is amazing. texas is amazing and pushy and creative and adorable. the official state tourism campaign in texas tells you straight up it's like a whole other country. and that's not just a slogan. a significant number of texans think of their membership in the union as a little provisional. this past summer when asked if they would like to secede if hillary clinton won the white house, 40% said, yes, if clinton wins they'd like to secede. to that point you can find entertaining pockets of that sentiment all over the country whether seceding because of clinton or to go back to mexico. in northern california tea party and libertarian types that have
been pushing to secede from the rest of california. they want to break off and be in their own state called jefferson. they want to be jeffersonians. since donald trump was elected president, not hillary clinton, but donald trump, certain pockets of liberals in california have started to talk texas style by seceding. but they don't want to secede from california. they want california to secede from the united states. they're calling it calexit, like brexit but west coast lefty style. i don't think they actually would like to take the right wing jeffersonians when they seceded, but presumably that would be up for negotiation once the articles of confederacy are filed. the jeffersonians and everybody else in that huge state they are all lumped together in what is a definitely blue state, hillary clinton won california nearly 2-1.
california in that same election also just elected the nation's second ever african-american female u.s. senator in camilla harris. they won't supermajorities in the california legislature. californians voted to legalize recreational pot after having medical marijuana for years. they voted to ban plastic bags in stores and voted for new gun safety laws on top of ones that the governor already signed this year. california has been a real laboratory of progressive social policy for a while, no matter who is in charge 2500 miles away in washington, d.c. well now that the president is going to be donald trump, california has a lot to lose. if the federal government decides to come after california for its progressive governance, california will prove to be a rich target field for an activist federal government that wants to change california to be more like the trump administration wants it to be.
on the flip side, because of its size and its economic might and the sheer dominance of its democrats, california is also particularly well situated for a fight. if california democrats want one or if the trump administration wants one. turns out from the california side, they seem that they maybe do want to fight. this is from democratic leaders in the california statehouse the morning after the trump election, quote, we will maximize the time during the presidential transition to defend our accomplishments using every tool at our disposal. we will not be dragged back into the past. we'll lead the resistance to any effort that would shred our social fabric or our constitution. california was not part or this nation when its history began butty clearly now the keeper of its future. if that's the case, what california democrats want, what would that look like?
how would they do that? how does california plan to hold a president at bay? could they take a cue, say, from texas? that's the view from "the l.a. times," the leading opponent of the administration was texas. texas sued the obama administration 40 times, epa, gender rights, affirmative action. you name it. frequently texas has lost those suits but sometimes they've won. they stopped the administration from putting policies into effect. when they couldn't top the president they at least made his job that much harder and slower and make things cost more political capital than they would have. that's what texas did during the obama era. if there's a state from the trump era, it's unarguable that california would be that state. if california is going to fight
the trump white house in court, that might will be brought by the california attorney general. and the attorney general he just had just won a u.s. senate seat. nobody would say that camilla harris would shrink from any fight, but she's off to a whole new arena. if not her, then who will defend california and their progressive policies? who will fight this fight for california but also make this stand. if it will be may in court, who will make the stand for the nation's future that california democrats say they intend to make. we have a best guess about that. joining us now is democratic congressman. he's just been nominated for the california state attorney general. he has accepted. he told reporters, if you want to take on a forward leaning state that's prepared to defend its rights and issue, then come at us. congressman becerra, thank you
for being here. >> rachel, what a lead-in. >> does it strike you wrong? do you object at all to this idea that california might have a role vis-a-vis the trump administration something akin to what texas has done to the obama administration? >> we'll have a role because we're california. more often than not as goes california, so goes the nation. i don't think california is looking to pick a fight. we're just ready to fight if someone tries to stop us from moving forward some progressive values that have helped so many californians. nearly 39 million people strong. we're a growing economy. sixth economic power in the world. and we're not going to stop. we're not interested in having folks try to stop us. we'll look at the constitution of the united states and our california constitution and recognize that as any other state, we will do whatever the u.s. constitution allows us to do to protect our people and advance our interests.
>> one of the flashpoints already is clearly going to be the issue of immigration. this week democratic leaders in your state announced a bill that would ban state and local law enforcement from helping the ferg round up undocumented immigrants. another bill would require president trump to get approval from california voters before building a wall along the mexican border with california. if things like this get passed, if they get signed by the governor, if they become california law, do you expect you'll be defending these things in court? >> i would hope that the federal government would recognize that states have the purview to take on the protection of their people, the advancement of their economy. so long as we're not doing something that's against the u.s. constitution, we should have the right to move forward. if we don't want to see walls built along our southern border, we'll do everything we can to
make sure that our people understand that we have a good working relationship with mexico. we have a lot of folks that go back and forth. i'm the son of mexican immigrants. we recognize about 40 years ago we went through this fight that so many people in this country are going through on immigration. we've gone well beyond that. i remember pete wilson and prop 187 in 1994. at that point we were seen as a purple state, in some eyes a red state. today we're a blue state because of prop 87. >> i remember talking to you about the veepstakes when hillary clinton was considering vice presidential running mates. i talked to you what it might be to be the top ranking latino in the house of representatives. can you tell me about your decision to leave the house. many thought you were on track for bigger things. possibility of you being speaker of the house in the pooch.
why did you decide to leave washington and go back home to california? >> rachel, i think you'll recall at that stage what i said was i would like to be able to serve my country and my state wherever i can make the biggest dins. i worked very hard for the last 25 years as a member of congress, very fortunate privilege. i hoped that hillary clinton could be our president but we move forward and when they opportunity game from governor brown and i'm thrilled that he'd give me the confidence to be the next ag in california, i believe i can make a difference nor not just my state but the country. as goes california, so goes the nation. >> i hope you'll keep lines of communication with us. lots of people all over the country whether or not they have a stake in california are really thinking about california's leadership in the country and i hope you'll stay in touch with us about what's going on in the state and your state plans. >> stay tuned. >> javier becerra will be taking over as california ag.
one of the things to keep an eye on in terms of the california fight, one of the other bills that the democrats in the california legislature have proposed would be banning state agencies from helping the federal government compile a reggistry of muslims in this country. that's one thing that donald trump has threatened. if you see california go with things like that, expect to see other blow states all around the country join in with california in fights that become more collective than just one state even if california does take point on this stuff. superinteresting politics right now. aye. see ya next year.
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literally in transition, even though it's hard, i think it's important to try to stay focused on what is important, on what is truly a big deal, and not just small and novel. the next story that we're going to do tonight, our final story tonight is what i think is the biggest deal that so far is being treated as a curiosity. the thing that i think needs a lot of very serious attention, even though it's so far being dismissed. and that's next.
have you now crossed any of those names off your list? >> well, i think i have in my own mind. i don't want to say which ones. but i think i have in my own mind. and there are other, great, great gentlemen, the boss over at exxon. and he has built a tremendous company over a period of years with great style. >> let me go back to mitt romney. is he still under consideration? >> yes. >> everybody wants to talk about mitt romney and these other political figures. but the president-elect himself goes out of the way to say actually you should ask me about this guy, who really is in consideration for secretary of state. this guy who runs exxon. here he is receiving the highest award that russia gives to nonrussian citizens. he'll be our new secretary of state? he is in the running for that? i know there is a lot to keep up with the transition. but i keep sticking a pin in this for a reason. if this is real, it's astonishing. here is part of why. you know how there is this huge possible deal between at&t and
time warner right now, one of the huge mega mergers that is running into static on capitol hill because in part, it would be such a huge deal. at&t-time warn worry be an $85 billion deal. that's an almost unphatbly large number. $85 billion. but if trump goes ahead with this exxon guy, it's not $85 billion. it's $500 billion. exxon for a long time was the biggest, richest company on earth. even when apple got bigger than them, they were still the biggest oil company on earth which lasted until putin started jailing the heads of the other oil companies in russia and taking over those companies. then and only then did exxon get beat as the largest oil company on earth when it was surpassed by the russian government's oil company, which is called rozneft. then what happened is those two giant companies, the mother of all oil companies and the mother of mother of all oil companies, those two giants got together to do a joint exploration deal. the biggest oil deal in the
history of deals. it was so big, it was expected to change the historical trajectory of russia. it was the deal that got the exxon ceo russia's highest award. that deal between exxon and rusnef was said to be a $500 billion deal. and that was before they discovered a new oil field. so $500 billion deal between two of the largest companies in modern history, the two largest oil companies ever, half trillion deal. and that was before they discovered a new billion barrels of oil they weren't expecting. and then the whole thing fell apart. right after they discovered the billion barrel field, the whole thing got stopped in its tracks because of sanctions. that messed with ukraine. the obama administration punched them in the face with sanctions. and the biggest deal anybody had ever heard of, one of the biggest commercial deals in the history of deals was stopped. you know who would be in an excellent position to undo those sanctions?
well, you would expect the american secretary of state to be in a good position to do that. rex tillerson, the ceo of exxon personally holds more than $150 million in exxon shares. you want to know what happened to those shares alone if the sanctions went aware and that $500 russia deal went back on? do you know what would happen to the value of exxon to the power of exxon if that got turned on right now? it would be great for exxon. it would be great for russia. it would not be so great for the united states. those sanctions are there for a reason. but hey, who is calling the shots around here anyway? exxon ceo rex tellerson has never worked anywhere else in his adult life. he joined exxon in 1975. he has never had another job. so obviously his next job should be secretary of state. for the united states. i wonder where he would take his first trip abroad. i wonder who would be the first world lead they're he would call after he was sworn in.
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munich are they favorites now to win this season's title or can they be stopped. by and faced a tough home clash against an outboard side whose defense has proven difficult to crack this season. in form leipzig face a real test against an improving leverkusen a win was a must for the bulls if they're to stay in the race for leeds success. welcome to the bundesliga on d w i'm pablo phoney and yes after a shaky start to the season a biron have found their form and look quite simply unstoppable since you're crying because returned for a fourth stint in charge of the club despite several key injuries the solid team was available to take on and i would sprigs side simply has been respectable so far to date this season but their solid back line and decent offense would have to be
leipsic a club very much focused on lifting bundesliga silverware for the first time in the club's history the bulls have relied this season on the talents of their youthful attack headed by german international team of vanna and much like their opponents their defense has been a little leaky at times a mouth watering clash was in store. after the last international break leipzig picked up a window or could they do it again in labor because in the twelfth minute maybe caused a stir in the box but at the wrong end team over an hour fed. and maybe brought down the austrian band then making it one nil with his only shot on target in the match. laver because and then won the possession battle and it paid off shortly before the break dominic core nicely setting up bailey keeper peter good luck with no chance hear one all. after the restart benyamin
a coach martin schmidt was desperate to see his side win for the first time since he took over the reins at the club back in september now the wolves went into their clash against freiburg who have been struggling of light on the back of seven back to back draws in the bundesliga convulse for it finally pick up a win mediocre minds hosted and under pressure cologne on saturday the visitors have the worst offensive record in the bundesliga and went into their. clash without even one league win this season is there an end in sight to pay to a nightmare come pain at the helm let's take a look. paid to cologne trying to pick up their first win this season at monk's pittel team just before the break decided this one month's pablo de glasses with down in front of goal. the ref awarded this penalty which was a controversial decision. might stand you brzezinski converted for the leave the kids to his former club minds have converted their last nineteen penalties.
the billy goes couldn't level the score mines one meal over winless cologne. as we are in mourning. we all are unhappy but we haven't reached the point where we are comfortable with losing. so there's still hope. for this about some of them. our next match so will squirm get off to a quick start against freiburg in the third minute then you'll be doubly found yani gary hart his first goal this season. davi picked up his lead high six assists next this time to eunice mali in the twenty ninth minute giving the wolves a two goal lead before the half mile the scored another in the second giving him a brace for the day wolfsburg win three one after a string of seven straight draws and still no road wins for freiburg.
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finished with very much the man of the moment. taking place among the rich over the so it's obviously great for me to get that straightened out today it was really important to score three because it was a foothold in the first half and through that we've got the belief that we can get something done. to stink on the con the she was good. fun of are up to tenth with the european football becoming a definite possibility. the first one as they had trick for hand-overs nicholas full crew congrats to him it's time for our match day eighteen round up and we start braman visitors off and you'll be in novels having been consistent at all this season they have struggled to compete on all three fronts to top it off they sold striker sideshow wagner it's a buyer it's a kick off the roof of their off the brain with the side that booted hoffenheim
from the german cup could they get some payback. often harmon duty and not this man began life without front lines on the back now with a trip north to better braman who went into the weekend in the relegation play off space in the post modern era started well certainly not recross for many who cannot say head home to center back second goal of the season giving him the perfect start two thousand and eighteen job done at half time but after the break a goal must scramble saltier to get free selassie equalise relief and poor filled but a disappointing result hoffenheim they dropped two points in the battle for the european places and their coach was not happy it's all. good goritz was all smiles as he lined up against former club hamburg who gave yulian pollard back his bundesliga debut in goal but polish back could do nothing as the set up for the only goal of the game the korean was rightly pleased about
his first goal of the season heading home the cross to get out of the wind and to straighten davie for palace back but manuel bounds out spoke up to seven. all eyes were on mario gomez as the hitman returned to stick eight and a half years after leaving his new old team face hatter and gomes as comeback was almost upstaged when salomon kalou had the goal of his mercy only to head is effort over gomes was of course involved in the only goal of the game a bizarre own goal from the clash start while wrestling come into possession stark accidentally and spectacularly locked his own keeper i missed celebrated like he scored himself and who can play man. coming on he like manager i can't lie as i've been saying for many years now that i haven't been nervous ahead of sunday's league games but today i had butterflies in my stomach you know what they had to contribute. greeted each other like old friends but
only the frankfurt boss was happy at half time. sebastien i left school at the opening go. to timmy chandler smuts had a found him six yards out but after the break friday equalise robbing cokehead it on a corner so when private advice on why point and wipe the smile off his face. so let's see who got off to a winning start in the rook ruined a life that oversaw three one in convincing fashion hand-over hand my feet three to all nicklaus full croup brame in its second half goal level think of hoffenheim outs work only needed a goal to defeat hamburg stuttgart down to one nil frankfurt share the spoils with freiburg friday night saw byron in labor couzin in love cited by irons way and on sunday cologne host blood bought in the local darby and in the late match dortmund welcome wolfsburg so let's see how those results affected the table as you
can see by are now thirteen point cushion on top like six just ahead a shock a narrow margin just a point things could change up here depending on the results from the doormen in the lobby of matches on sunday outdoor climb a bit pushy frankfurt down let's see the bottom half and it's still packed very very tight down here as you can see wolf for go could jump if they manage to defeat dortmund and win lose or draw cologne stays put. as always let's take a look at our play of the day voted for by you this week's winner with seventy percent of the twitter vote who else hanover's nick last full crew the midfielder's third goal to get smites help pull off a super comeback after being down two goals his left foot strike capped off a perfect patrick having already scored with his right foot and his head three
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relegation threatened hamburg had their hands full when they travel to leipzig but would there be a crafty new plan in place for new coach bent. to tame the red bull. hello welcome to the bundesliga here on d w i am matt herman good to have you with us we're going to lead off with the team who has been leading the bundesliga ever since mass day ten after a slow start buying munich made a coaching change they brought back stalwarts you've hike since then they've lost just once in the league but saturday brought a tough test against often not a team who were on beaten against biron in their last three meetings you know that kind of success led some to put you leonardo's man in the frame to succeed high kiss when the seventy two year old leaves at the end of the season but oftentimes recent poor run has quieted all that talk though another good result in munich and who knows. popham hi i know
a thing or two about beating by and you need not go from inside of one to the last three in counts is including early of the season but then the man forty two years now has been senior pine kiss wasn't on the opposite bench crying tears must defeat the worst as hoffenheim came roaring out of the blocks it was just two minutes on the clock when the searching surged gnabry was felled in the box no doubt about the penalty which met risk it was poor if lead to division says mark was on hand to finish the job. read awakening for by and in the right back yards and things were about to get worse mabrey online to hoffenheim from by and seventy's parent club what they're missing to nail after just trials minutes i also know even a two goal head start isn't enough to beat by and especially because robert never drops the leading the line if he pulls out the taxi with his eighteen this season.
by and we're rocking and starting to smell blood which i both said was referees a shock around the box he had it in his best league goal in four years all square with a match badly of course from the way three. stage level until the break herself to that by and feeding frenzy can easily come and put the champions in front for the first time and then moments later the terrific doubt made it for. brian's poor start now all but forgotten and there are still times the sounds are about it's about cells in the rooms yet stuff and i'm striking i think his account for his new club. not those men left to think well since by and finally get the better of the episode the team. well well well let's have a look at what kind of reaction that comeback got on social media we have a tweet from. jerome boa tank he's head of goal sought by draw level he tweeted to
celebrate the side's win dedicating his goal to his twin daughters with a candidate for the longest ever hash tag lumia and so lay this goal was for you and this byron fan from lebanon also chipped in with a new nickname idea for the center back calling a boa king i think that might catch on. all right after all that talk about the top of the table it's time to visit the bottom of the second bottom to be exact hamburg they have a want to game in more than two months which meant that bant. was drafted in as their new coach this week his first test a trip to fourth place life sick and that sounds tricky but hamburg did get a three no win their last season so anything's possible. a familiar scene at hamburg in recent years a new coach in the spotlight and on the pitch it's the same old story. number give away the ball and likes to make them pay. found bruma unmounted the
bumps and lights each of the elite. are in the hunt stumbled with the ball and was too slow for kevin campo and the defense were ripped apart and the visitors were a goal down to just nine minutes. the new coach looked on and saw a very nervous hamburg side. another mistake this time from papadopoulos almost gifted leipzig a second goal is shown to have an august on sale to hit the target. number got back in the game on the half hour mark he and young with a perfect pass to finish hostage he rounded the keeper and slotted the ball home. one male at half time. the goal gave hamburg the boost they needed and tossed it almost got the winner late in the game. when all the final results not a bad return for the new coach. and once or for the reason that i did it seems
showed amazing spirits and really battled hard so it was good. it limits hope for hamburg fans but coach hollaback still has his work cut out for him to save hamburg from the drop. there are four more saturday games for us to cover here on the bonus leg action from teams battling the drop as well as near the top of the table teams like dortmund who hosted fribourg with none other than this guy pierre emerick obama young in the starting line up quite well he's supposed to be off to arsenal by now well yeah but the want to weigh striker is still adore and play are not meant he had to turn up for work like nothing was a miss. no player is bigger than the club that's what dortmund fans had to say about emerick obama young before kick off but attention soon shifted to the game nine minutes in shinji kagawa banged in the ball from close range i've missed him failing to hit the target and could go waiting for the rebound then it was time for
fribourg mills pater sent to put his stamp on the match first he hit the net in the twenty first minute to pull the side's level and then he struck again midway through the second half with an incredible long range shot to the private eye but men weren't done yet jeremy told young with the last second equaliser to let them escape with them to all draw i. shouted defender naldo made his three hundred thirty seventh just league appearance this weekend the most of any brazilian in league history passings a roberto and it didn't take him long to display his trademark aerial skills i the fourteenth minute daniel keller jordi with the free kick and now joe heading in his fifth goal of the season to open the scoring for shaka and the royal blues didn't stop there just by minutes later she just got debutant yakob broun foul play on gorecki in the box and the ref wanted to the spot up stepped on mean hot it and he
hammered home to see of a shock of victory and power them back in to second place and it was an especially positive day for now though i think if this is it's an honor for me it's a day i'll never forget. it was all. i scored a goal. it's a special day for me i'm really happy i'm still playing. cologne have been in carnival mood there are three straight one just to go wins under coach to find him back nothing sure. a stunning revival and they were on track for a fourth when milos yo-yo it hit the target with an unstoppable free kick in the fortieth minutes i outscored didn't play along and ups the pressure on their hero the brazilian chi ubi who rose up highest to beat keeper t. mohan late in the second half. when all the final score still cologne at another
crucial point in their battle to beat the drug the coach looks satisfied enough. exciting game action packed for me as a coach as well some interesting battles to some to go to war against outside no small thing. i raymond's maximilian eg a stein threaded the bali and after ten minutes against head to berlin but the celebrations did not last video review determined in earlier by thomas de laney meant the goal was ruled out and so this one and did score this. well now you've seen the highlights it's time to look at the results from match day twenty thus far byron getting that big comeback win over hoffenheim splitting the points leipsic and hamburg shock a very big away when it stood guard dortmund needed that equaliser late the little
things up with fribourg cologne couldn't quite make it four wins on the truck but i'll be very pleased with the point again against al spork braman and heritage know what he scored there frankfurt's got passed on friday night and on sunday we see it leverkusen hosting minds and votes for travelling to and i work for lower saxony darby all right let's look and see what all those results mean on the table with seven of nine matches in the books for match day twenty buy and they stay top the it's so frankfurt's time in second and up in very short shelf is when put them in second. at least until leverkusen have their say on sunday down in the second half of the table there actually wasn't a whole lot of movement and that's not good news for the likes of hamburg cologne and indeed braman there is starting to be a bit of a gap down at the cellar a three point gap between fifteenth and sixteenth as always we're going to take
a look at our play of the day voted for by you this week's winner with sixty one percent of the twitter vote is neil's pedrosa the freiburg striker is for both of his side's goals and to all draw against dortmund and this thirty meter rob took him to ten goals for the season. he watched on to a careless back pass from nuri shah you were about to see it right there and. that was five words first for its endorsement in sixteen years bob. that's all for us here at the bottom of sligo sit back and do enjoy these images from the weekend's action so far from me in the rest of the team here in berlin. and.
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this letter which is dated today is written from president trump's attorney to judge wood who will be overseeing a very high stakes hearing tomorrow in new york about all those ver sensitive materials that were seized by the fbi in the raid of michael cohen's office, of his hotel room and his home as well as the seizure of his phones and this is something that i don't think has ever been said before, at least not to to my knowledge on the news. the president of the united states is offering to make himself personally available for any review or screening of the evidence that the fbi seized of his lawyer. it's an unusual offer to say the least and with that let me get right to a well assembled panel. senator richard blumenthal, former senator byron dorgen and eugene robinson from the "the washington post" which has broken some of these stories your colleagues have. i'll go down the line.
dealer's choice on which aspects of this you want to speak to and, senator, your view of what appear to be a lot of developments on the trump side of the ledger in this investigation right now tonight. >> well, this "the washington post" report assuming its true is extraordinary because it shows that the president is becoming even more entangled and embroidered in the cohen aspect of this investigation. it has been thought that it was separate, but obviously the president has been deeply concerned and fearful about it, and now apparently he's taking steps to involve himself personally and possibly waiving any claim of attorney/client privilege that you might have here. >> you just made an important observation that i'd like you to expand upon, this matter was referred by bob mueller to new york because it was separate and jurisdictionally distinct from the open russia probe. what you're saying is this letter, you got a lot of stuff
giuliani held. reading from "the washington post" tonight, they cite three sources to say that julie an any as a new personal lawyer on behalf of the president has met with special counsel bob mueller, not his aides. this was as recently as tuesday to reopen, quote, negotiations according to three people. why would ruddy in your view be opening that investigation? >> i don't know. i doubt that he'll ever be interviewed. mr. cohen is the holder of the secrets, self-described, he believes that and says that publicly and the president's actions underscore that the president believes that trump -- that mr. cohen is the holder of the secrets here. we'll see. this reminds me of one of those -- the maze in a corn field. it's easy to get in but you can't find your way out. that's the case for the president. very hard to find his way out of this because there's so many different features to it. >> gene robinson, classic cornfield maze situation. >> it is, obviously.
on other matters than the criminal defense team when in the nda litigation, there were questions about his time and availability, he said he's not available for depositions, he's not going to be personally involved. this obviously a very different stance. seth waxman a former federal prosecutor we've just added to the conversation. what does this mean to you? >> i think that clearly these can be conflating these issues. you have the president of the united states who's now going to need to take time to answer questions with his lawyer and decide whether this material is privileged, so as we all may know, the privilege belongs to the client, not the attorney, so if there are emails in there, for example, with mr. trump sending mr. cohen to russia, to open a trump tower in moscow, on the face of that, that doesn't seem to be privilege. that sounds like a business transaction, so mr. trump's going to need to explain to his lawyers how that could be seeking legal advice because if it's not, it's not privileged. >> let me read a little more
just from the letter and go back around the horn again. this is brand-new, seth. the firm here -- they're speaking on behalf of the president tonight. our own associates are well-qualified. they hail from the country's best law schools and work directly with partners on the firm. awe reference to their ability to go through this material they want before the feds have it with regard to the attorney/client privilege that the president may have and they say, our client, that's donald trump, will make himself available as-needed to aid in our privilege review on his behalf. what does that even mean, seth? would that be donald trump and michael cohen and these other lawyers sitting around in new york looking ougat old emai? >> these are associates and more junior attorneys doing the initial scrub, getting rid of the chafe and all the emails that are noncontroversial and when you get down to the ones that, you know, are damaging or, you know, have some questions as to the privilege, someone's going to need to compile what we call in our world key documents,
walk them over to the president and present them to him and walk through how these documents are privileged or not privileged, and if there's evidence of a crime in some of those emails -- >> i don't want to put too fine a point on it, but i'm not sure in this instance the client would be the final word on the legal privilege? >> he clearly would not. ultimately that would be up to the special master and the judge but his lawyers are going to need to put a claim in front of that master or the judge or it's for naught. what was the legal purpose of these emails or the best person i should say is the president? >> in your view is this weird? >> it is weird. it is definitely weird. i've done this with ceos and i will tell you, there is nothing worse than a lawyer having to get the time of a fortune 500 ceo.
their eyes glaze over and they've got more important things to do. i can only imagine the more important things that the president of the united states needs to do, but obviously he's injecting himself because there's something very important to him in this process. >> let me go back down the line. this also goes to the case that the feds were making against michael cohen which is a little awkward because they are federal prosecutors from the trump justice department. they do that job without fear of favor. their point which goes to why they don't think there's a lot of privilege here, whether mr. trump, donald trump, president trump wants to review this material or not, they say michael cohen doesn't do a lot of lawyering? >> exactly. from all the reporting i've seen, what michael cohen did for donald trump was basically two things. he was a deal maker and he was a fixer. but in terms of, you know, representing him in court, giving him legal advice as opposed to advise on a deal or advice on solving a problem like
stormy daniels, you know, which i there are aspects of that maybe could be privileged, i don't know. you're the lawyer. he want, you know, a lawyer all the time he was dealing with donald trump. he was an aide. >> ari, because of the role that cohen played in donald trump's life for a long, long time, i think everybody understands there's potential jeopardy here and my guess is, is that the trump organization, the lawyers will fight this and battle this on and on as long as they can. there's potential jeopardy for the president and i think they know it. >> this kind of action creates a maze, but even more it's legal quicksand for the president, because coming back to the point where we began, the southern district of new york has rated michael cohen's office for money laundering, potential bank fraud, really serious stuff supposedly not involving the
president. now the president is injecting himself into the this case because he fears he may be involved in it. it's legal quicksand for him and my legal advice is worth what he's paying for it, but this kind of involvement, although perhaps typical of his hands-on attitude toward this stuff, really joins him with michael cohen in what has been a separate legal action, but it also indicates maybe he has some exposure and it also potentially makes him a witness in any proceeding involving attorney/client privilege because once he's reviewed these documents and once his lawyers are quoting him, he stands to be called as a witness. >> right. the flip side, gene robinson if you talk to people who are most sympathic would be the argument that this is a sitting president and people around him should not be pursued on any contextual basis just to get stuff on him. >> okay. >> so you can imagine if you want to imagine a different
president and a different privilege, imagine a doctor, and you say the doctor's up for some some maybe real crime but does that mean they can go through the president's medical files willy-nilly before someone else gets involved? >> you could make that argument, but you could -- you also make the argument that federal prosecutors cannot look away if they see potential criminal activity by somebody who has been very close to the president, like michael cohen, and indeed, the prosecutors in southern district of new york are not going to look away and robert mueller's not going to look away. >> let me just make the point that the entire referral to new york was based on belief that there probably was a crime committed. that's the basis of the referral. >> the warrant is based on a finding that there was a crime. there has to be a crime committed and then that evidence is not only there in cohen's office and home and hotel room but that it's potentially in danger of destruction or other kinds of obstruction.
>> that an independent judge reached the determination you just mentioned knowing this is a sitting president's lawyer. it's no small thing. i want to bring seth waxman into it now. the only reason that "the washington post" is breaking this story is they feel firm about it, i can tell you bob mueller's personal negotiations, the things that are important enough that he sits down and you see the headline breaking right now, rudy giuliani opens negotiations with interview with mueller. that headline is really interesting, seth, because it's got a lot of -- talk about attorney/client privilege, it's got a lot of very private material packed into a depiction of what's going on and i want to read from a former doj official, matt miller who many of our viewers know. he's responding to this right now posting on twitter, congratulations to julie an any on doing a good job professionalizing the trump legal team that it took a full
24 hours for your snoerkss to mueller to leak to the press. speak to that angle of critique. >> all defense would prefer this stay behind closed doors. if this is already being leaked out to the public, that's not ideal for the defense side. i agree with mr. miller there, but we're heading down the same path it seems we were about a month or two ago, where we're heading towards this conflict between mueller and mr. trump, the president in this under oath testimony and that is fraught with all kinds of perils. i still question whether he's actually going to do that and really his only way out is to plead the fifth. mr. rudy giuliani carries a lot of wait and has a lot of credibility and the mayor, but at the end of the day he's not going to be able to prevent the president from silt not guilty that room. the only thing that can do that is the fifth amendment. >> this story is breaking right now if viewers look on the bottom of the screen. we're crediting "the washington post" which broke the julie an
any story, the reporter from the "the washington post" who broke that story has called into the beat, carol, what can you tell us about your sourcing on this, how you got to this point and what its significance is? >> so i don't want to talk at all about the sourcing for this, but i will say that i enjoy matt miller's commentary but i don't appreciate him saying that it was some great failure on the part of the defense that this story got out. it got out because of reporting and i would also just say that the significance from our vantage point covering this probe is that now you have finally in the helmsman position a lawyer leading the trump defense and reopening these talks where they were a month and a half ago, which is will the president sit down voluntarily for an interview with bob mueller who is now seeking, quite clearly, to know did the president have any
corrupt intentions when he took certain actions as the president and as the president-elect? did he have any corrupt intention to thwart a criminal probe? >> i don't think matt miller's observation is about the quality of your reporting, but there are different ways things come out and i think -- >> oh, no, no. i'm being tongue in cheek. i enjoy matt immensely. >> i think what raises is, when you refer to your sourcing, obviously i don't mean the identification of your sourcing, i read this story as you're very confident in your sourcing that these meetings are taking place, they involve a presidential interview and rudy giuliani, according to your reporting, is reflecting a type of road where the client, the president, is still quote/unquote, resistant to the idea of this interview but it is back on the table. tell us about that. >> so, i think a couple things are going on.
one, rudy is getting his sea legs in this case. he just arrived as of last week and so he wants to meet the person who's prosecuting/investigating this matter to size up a case and also size up the probe, like what is it exactly that mueller still needs and wants before he completes what we've described as a partial report on his findings about obstruction. the other thing that's going on here is that ever since a raid at the home and office of michael cohen, one of the president's closest confidentants and his personal attorney, the president has deeply soured on the idea of sitting down with mueller's team. why is that? because he felt really caught off guard as did most of the trump legal defense team, how could this have happened without them knowing. the mueller's team is not leading that investigation. you'd have to be kind of naive
to believe that there isn't going to be a day when mueller wants to interview michael cohen about his behavior and interactions with the campaign and particularly in trying to talk to any russians that might have wanted to connect with the campaign as well. >> i want to ask you and seth the hardest question in the land these days, which is what does bob mueller thinking? but you notice in reading your story and i'll go to you first carol and then seth, as you were just referencing, you said the special counsel emphasizes the interviews essential to understand trump's intent in making key decisions as they try to wrap up the portion of the probe focused on potential obstruction. your report reflects the notion of this case moving in two parts and mueller making a play for an interview on the obstruction part but anyone that's been around a tough prosecutor knows
that what you say to get someone in the chair isn't always the beginning, middle and end that happens during the interview. your view and then seth. >> well, yes, of course. you'll be calm and quiet and smiling as you ask a witness to come and sit down and chitchat with you, but you've also seen as the president's lawyers have seen everyone who's sat down in that chair has some jeopardy and there have been quite a few who have now either been charged or have pled guilty to lying to investigators and once you sit in that chair and whether you're under oath or not, you could put yourself in increased danger. that is what trump's former lead lawyer warned the president over and over again. john dowd said, mr. president, all respect, you have to consider that you're jeopardy is low now and you will unnaturally and unnecessarily increase it by agreeing to an interview. >> seth?
>> yeah, i can tell you i think bob mueller and his team are licking their chops. this is what prosecutors wait for, the opportunity to cross examine and question the target or at least in this case we know subject of their investigation and in those circumstances which mr. trump has been in before in the sense of depositions, but nothing is like sitting in a room with a bunch of federal prosecutors and fbi agents not knowing where they're going, not knowing exactly what documents they have and sitting there for hours and hours answering questions. and the last point i'd make, while this idea of obstruction may be out there and maybe that's being dangled as an idea to get him in the room, i find it highly questionable that mr. mueller would stop at that point and not investigate or question him on the underlying crime -- potential underlying crime which is the conspiracy between the russians and the trump campaign to announce the 2016 election or at least the allegations of that. so in my opinion, if mr. trump walks into that room everything
is on the table and those prosecutors -- >> i'm going to break in because i'm holding a new document followed by trump lawyer michael cohen within the last five minutes and it says based on the advice of counsel, michael cohen, quote, i will assert my fifth amendment rights in connections with all proceedings in the stormy daniels case due to, he says, the ongoing criminal investigation by the fbi and the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. again, if you're just joining us, trump lawyer michael cohen asserting in writing in court for the first time, he will plead the fifth. something that you do because on the advice of counsel or based on what you know about what you've done, you don't want to confess to a crime. seth? >> of course he is. of course he is. you have a federal prosecution or investigation centering in on you. your home, your apartment, your hotel room has been raided and you've got some civil lawsuit out there. i know in the context of this case that civil lawsuit is getting all kinds of attention but a civil proceeding is far, far down the line and in degrees
of importance when your life and your liberty are at stake in the southern district of new york. so, of course, he's pleading the fifth because he has to do everything he can to protect himself right now. >> senator blumenthal, your reaction. >> speaking as a former federal prosecutor, i think donald trump's position in doing an interview is completely different from michael cohen. michael cohen can plausibly plead the fifth amendment. his office has been raided after finding of a crime. the connection -- >> to that end and i'll pass the mic back to you, in the same sworn statement michael cohen says on april 9th the fbi executed three search warrants on my residents, office and hotel room without prior notice during the corresponding raids, michael cohen says and this is breaking right now, the fbi seized my electronic devices and my possession which were relate to information about the payment to stormy daniels and then he goes on to say, on april 10th i first realized my fifth amendment rights were being
implicated as i considered the events of april 9th which backs up the point you're making. >> the material and letter that we've just discussed links donald trump to michael cohen, but donald trump cannot just automatically and unboundedly reject a request to be interviewed because in my view the investigation cannot close without bringing donald trump into an interview or a subpoena for him to appear before the grand jury. i think special counsel must subpoena the president. >> in your view of carol's reporting here that's breaking this hour, mueller views it as quote essential? >> it is essential. donald trump not only should be interviewed, and if he's subpoena he has a right to the fifth amendment. as we've all told clients and juries, the fifth amendment
itself, if invoked is not an admission of guilt but for donald trump, the american public would see it as an acknowledgement of criminal culpability pleading the fifth amendment. >> i'm seldom surprised any more by anything. i'm not necessarily surprised by mr. cohen taking the fifth amendment as i indicated, the reference of the case to the u.s. attorney in new york was because there was a notion there was crime or crimes involved. so i'm not surprised by the fifth amendment issue here but of cohen taking the fifth amendment. i say that he is the one person in this country who poses very significant jeopardy because he's the keeper of the secrets and i think president trump knows that and that's a significant problem for him. >> gene? >> so my understanding is michael cohen says he will take the fifth amendment in the proceedings involving stormy daniels, correct? but in at some point, one presumes, the prosecutors from
the southern district of new york will want to speak with him about whatever it was they were raiding his office and home -- >> typically at this stage, they would either want to speak to him or they would go ahead and indict an individual without speaking to him. >> right. one question is, does this intention to take the fifth cover that as well given the reference in the letter to the events of april 9th, but it doesn't seem too specifically -- look, his -- one's options after a federal prosecutor and the fbi have raided your hotel room, home and office and seized a bunch of documents that they think indicate some crime that you're guilty of, you're options are constrained. they're very narrow and you'll have to decide whether you're going to try to tough it out in some way or are you going to
cooperate. >> to gene's point, we're getting a lot of paper as we go. this is the pleading from michael cohen. this is the first time the president's lawyer has sworn to a court that he will plead the fifth in any matter. this matter is him saying explicitly based on the advice of counsel, i'll assert my fifth amendments rights in connections in this, stormy daniels case. so it's about this. it doesn't tell us about the rest. as some of our experts have noted tonight, if you're pleading a fifth in the civil case, you're concerned about the bigger encha lada. now i bring to join -- our whole panel stays. i bring on an even bigger fish. thank you for being part of what is now our breaking coverage. i know you've been listening in to our esteemed panel. your reaction to this news? >> i think we've been in the same lane on this all along and people have watched this thing play out. all we see on twitter is no collusion and witch hunt. so a logical person would say,
if there's no collusion and this is all a witch hunt, why wouldn't you sit down with robert mueller and answer all the questions he has if you're completely innocent? and last week when he was saying, cohen's not going to flip on me, well f you're not guilty of anything, why are you worried about anybody flipping on anything? i'm just sort of amused that rudy giuliani has become involved in this process because if you live in new york city and you've watched this guy and his image shrink to the size of a jockey over all the years since 9/11, i'm not sure if i were in some kind of jam i would want him to try to plead my case in the people's court on television, but again, if this president is innocent, if there is no collusion, if his campaign did nothing wrong, why is he resistant to sitting down with the special counsel? >> so, mike, you're raising the point that donald trump online, on twitter talks tough about his defenses, but then you're saying
offline he doesn't appear ready to actually deal with the questions from mueller, is that what you're saying? >> yes. >> and this is -- this is sort of a drake critique where he says some people don't really be the same offline, is that what you're saying about the president? >> don't try to trick me with that stuff, okay, because i'm easily tricked with music lyrics. i've watched this thing play out -- >> do you feel like a witness in this probe? you're worried the questions are tricks? >> yeah. but i don't have to sit down with mueller, he does. >> well speak to the "the washington post" reporting. "the washington post" has broken the bombshell that rudy giuliani didn't just join the team he went and did a one-on-one with bob mueller and is telling mueller i'm trying to get you this interview but i can't get my client, the president, donald trump to do it yet. >> i don't know why -- it's interesting to me that rudy giuliani has this meeting -- this notion that he's like holding some cards here. mueller's holding all the cards,
okay. obviously he wants to sit down with the president and get answers to all the questions he has waited over a year to ask him, but if this is some -- ari, you have to explain to me because you're a lawyer. in a negotiation like this, what does rudy giuliani have if his own client is resistant to having this meeting? >> you raise a great question. always helpful that i don't have to moderate as much. let's ping your question around the panel. senator blumenthal, speak to that question. >> it's a great question and what he has is not so much a legal position as a political one, the president of the united states is the president. he has enormous power and also enormous persuasion through his twitter account, his base, his following in the united states congress and the special
counsel. here's a important point, continues to be under threat from the president of the united states who twice has tried to fire him. that's why the judiciary committee tomorrow will consider and you hope pass legislation that protects the special counsel against firing. that question is very timely. >> i want to take that question and pursue it of the i also want to play something that's coming just into our newsroom which is the legal opponent to michael cohen in all of this say man named michael avenatti who viewers have seen on television. he has spoken out about this. do we have this? this was after last week but the point stands. i think we're seeing what he predicted basically come to fruition with the toxicity of mr. cohen. let's listen to that. >> he is radioactive, anyone that had any contact with this man in the last 20 years should be very concerned about what secrets of theirs are within these documents. >> this can look like bluster and i've mentioned this when we
cover mr. avenatti as well as when he's in the studio, senator, which is he has a very clear stake in this and he's an opponent to mr. cohen. having said that, it is, as we reflect on all of this, it is stormy daniels and the attempt to silence women and mr. cohen's role as a fixer and his fight with mr. avenatti and her client that helped get us to this point that we're in tonight? >> it's drip, drip, drip and then it becomes a gusher. i guess you don't want him as i was watching him on television the last couple of weeks, you don't want him as an opponent in my judgment and with respect to the rudy giuliani piece, mike's description of the image becoming the image of a jockey, shrinking to the image of a jockey, i think the choice of rudy giuliani to represent trump is byzantine. >> what do you mean by that, sir? >> i'm not sure i know what i mean, ari.
>> are you saying in a nice way that it's a bad choice? >> yes. >> okay. i understand that. >> or not so nice way, perhaps. >> you think it's probably a bad choice. maybe he's the only one that can talk to trump and make him make sense. in that case -- in that sense maybe it's a good choice, remember it's been a while, since rudy giuliani has practiced law in this way. he has been basically a political figure. >> it's almost like is it trump's lawyers or is it former lawyers who are back working for trump? >> maybe it's just me, i would want somebody who's at the top of his game. >> who's in the game. >> exactly. if you have to have an operation you want a surgeon who does it all the time, has done it recently, but if the surgeon says, well, i did that ten years ago and i think i remember how, i don't want that surgeon. >> i agree. i agree. >> there are really serious
capable criminal trial lawyers who will evaluate every legal question, have great instincts and gut because they're in the courtroom day after day and rudy giuliani simply is not one of them, but if you take the president's vetting of his cabinet secretary and his most recent nominee, the v.a. secretary, who is about to almost certainly go down, there's no clear path for ronny jackson to become the next v.a. secretary, the level of vetting and review and scrutiny and consideration has been pretty abysmal. >> so you just broadened it to where we are tonight, which is breaking news that some of the people that this president has picked off the tv screen, off the conservative political wagon, out of the green rooms at fox news as well as down the hall because it was his doctor down the hall, so put him in
charge of all veterans health care, don't vet him, all of this together is a portrait of a person who has been pretending to be a chief executive for much of his life and performing in that way obviously endeared him to some people. the apprentice was a highly watched show that pretended to be about a business but it was pretend. we're seeing the holes in that when it actually gets real and then you put that alongside the messages that he's sending to michael cohen so for both of our guests, seth and luke, take a listen to donald trump's reaction when he was asked about the pardon idea for michael cohen this week. >> what about michael cohen? are you considering a pardon? >> thank you very much. >> stupid question. >> seth, what do you think about that response? >> well, the pardon is always been the x factor in this case. in a normal, criminal case with
the evidence against paul manafort, one would have thought he would have already flipped much like mr. gates. why hasn't he flipped? the reporter who asked that question is asking a very relevant question and mr. trump's deflection of that or refusal to answer it may beg the question of more about the pardon than it answers. i've always thought that the pardon question in this matter, whether it's for paul manafort or michael cohen and the pardons that he's now issued to scooter libby is really the x factor that no criminal defense lawyer or criminal prosecutor can really answer because it's something that only the president of the united states holds the power to do and the only constraint in my mind on that pardon power is obstruction of justice, and that would be ultimately in my opinion something that would be decided by the congress in an impeachment proceeding. that is outside the normal courtroom that all the lawyers that are talking and speaking on tv and representing these players really have ever been
involved in. >> and that's where a lot of the questions go and why the president is unlike any other client. if you're joining the beat we have been covering over half an hour straight of breaking news with rudy giuliani meeting with bob mueller promising a presidential interview saying he will plead the fifth on the grounds he might incriminate himself in the stormy daniels as well as the news breaking here that president trump says he will personally get involved in the michael cohen case by reviewing materials to avoid the feds having them because of alleged attorney/client privilege. all of that here in the last half hour or so. my special thanks to a special panel. we've really benefitted from your incites on what is a breaking story. can't make it up if it's breaking. we have a lot more in the show including the stuff we actually were planning to do tonight, a big test for the trump travel ban, the supreme court, the executive director of the aclu is here with arguments about whether trump's own words hurt his case.
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ah. oh hello. that lady, these houses! yes, yes and yes. and don't forget about them. uh huh, sure. still yes! xfinity delivers gig speed to more homes than anyone. now you can get it, too. welcome to the party. we are back on the beat with breaking news tonight. michael cohen, the president's lawyer pleading the fifth for the first time as well as rudy giuliani reportedly meeting with bob mueller personally this week to discuss reopening negotiations for a presidential interview between mueller's team and donald trump, a high stakes gambit from the new member of donald trump's criminal defense team. let's turn immediately here in washington to donna brazile. >> hello there. >> nice to see you, you are someone who figures into all of this because your name arose in the 2016 matters that are under
criminal investigation. you also are an experienced washington hand. what does it say to you that rudy giuliani is trying to take this tact and michael cohen at the same time is pleading the fifth? >> there's no question, i think, that the trump team is in panic mode. they are reaching out now to try to, you know, get this investigation to end. the cloud is not just over them but the cloud is now, i believe, hurting their ability to get out their message every day. you see with rudy giuliani trying to wrap this up. he said he could wrap it up in two weeks, really? and now mr. trump's personal attorney pleading the fifth. this is not going to wrap it up. the cloud is not going to move away. i do believe much more is going to come. >> what is your evidence of panic? >> panic by reaching out to rudy giuliani and not a more experienced lawyer in terms of handling matters like this, and also i think, you know, mr. trump said in the past, he said
why plead the fifth if you're innocent. i mean, i don't -- i don't get why michael cohen is now pleading the fifth. >> let me read that quote. myself as an attorney, i know people have all kinds of rights and i don't prejudge their invocation of those rights, but that's just me. you're referring to the president's standard and whether his lawyer is following the president's standard because he said, quote, the mob takes the fifth amendment. if you're innocent, why are you taking the fifth amendment and he added, when you have your staff taking the fifth amendment, i think it's disgraceful. >> i remember that quote because i remember how donald trump went after not just hillary clinton but he went after democrats, he went after ordinary people, so for his personal lawyer in a case that i think has great huge ramifications for the overall situation that he's facing, to take the fifth doesn't seem to be a good strategy. >> i'm going to push you on something. you worked with the clintons.
donald trump trying to avoid this interview. >> um-hum. >> bill clinton, as you recall, spent quite a bit of time fighting off whether he would ever do an interview with then independent counsel ken starr. is it within a sitting president's rights to fight and potentially withhold their interview? >> you know, this is a different situation as you recall what happened back in the '90s with bill clinton, i was actually on capitol hill at the time, but the president it go forward and do the interview. i understand and i'm not a lawyer like you, you understand lawyers are saying, you don't walk into a room because this is a trap and you don't know what can happen but the director is trying to get at the heart of what happened in 2016 and as well as this so-called obstruction issues. i think the president owe it to the american people to sit down and say, look, here's what i know. i had no idea that manafort was having these back room conversations or my son went into these meetings or other
officials identified with my campaign. why not just come forward so that we can get to the bottom of what happened in 2016? >> let me make an observation about you that some of our viewers may not know. you're not only persuasive, donna, i have seen you be persuasive with people with whom you disagree, with conservatives, with republicans up at harvard. take us inside the process of rudy giuliani doing what political people do trying to persuade donald trump actually, i just met with mueller this week, all brand-new, and it's in our interest, if we want to wrap it up quickly, the fastest thing we can do is sit and do this interview. do you think with your knowledge of these players that rudy has any hope of moving, persuading trump? >> i think donald trump believes in his own abilities. he believes in himself so i'm sure he's the one sitting in a room, i can teake care of this,i can solve this. this is a guy that's not lacking in confidence. on the other hand, you need some
legal ability or some legal advice as to whether or not the president might be walking into what some of his friends and colleagues are saying, a trap, i don't really know because i don't know what the president -- >> does rudy appeal to his confidence and say you got this? >> i think he appeals -- mr. president, you have something to give to this investigation, go forward, but if not, let's just let this investigation wrap up. >> now i want to turn to the reason we did invite you on the show tonight. we've had so much breaking news. when there was a watergate break n the democratic party responded with a lawsuit against the alleged perpetrators. >> that's correct. >> this party of which you have been a leader in many forms is now doing that, and it's easy to forget because so much is going on. >> right. >> those moments at the very pivotal period in the convention when these emails were weaponized and they may have exposed as we pointed out on air very important things, let's
look back at when you were actually the person brought in because the other chair was ousted partly over outrage over these emails. >> that's correct. >> as your north korincoming che national democratic committee, i promise you my friends, i commit to all americans that we will have a party that you can be proud of. >> that phone call went to you, they needed you. what do you know now that you didn't know then and why do you believe this lawsuit is important? >> you know, at the end of the 2016 campaign, i was quite worried that nobody, not the media, not our public officials would address what had happened to the dnc and of course others. we put together a very concrete timeline of the incident. we gave it to certain members of the media, but we also went to
outside counsel to seek their advice. before leaving the dnc i had an outside law firm draft up a complaint but we didn't have enough information. we now -- >> this complaint in your view started all the way back when. >> back in the -- soon after the election. in january and february of 2017 -- >> so what was just filed originated then? >> this is a separate complaint because this complaint is a different law firm. the dnc has done a terrific job and not just outlying the agreejus offense that took place, we now have more information of what took place of the various individuals involved from the trump campaign and others who perhaps colluded or conspired with the russians to weaponize. we want this to come to justice to prevent this from happening again this election cycle. >> donna brazile, thank you for joining us. >> always a pleasure. what we'll do is fit in a quick break. the most significant test of
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record the court scrutinized today. the problems at the airport turned into emergency lawsuits. i was actually out covering the first federal court to rule against the ban in new york, which blocked the ban on its first full day in effect. so that was the the unusual roae supreme court today. on "the beat" right now, we'll take you inside highlights from the court. and then turn to probably the best guest on this topic in the nation, national executive director of the aclu. his opponent today was a lawyer from the trump justice department who insists this wasn't a muslim ban. he argued if trump said that the whole thing would be illegal on its face. he referred to the illegitimacy of that kind of action. >> if the president did actually make that statement, i want to keep out a particular race or particular religion no matter what, that would und mine the facial legitimacy of the action. >> he is saying with facial legitimacy that would be illegal. trump did campaign on a muslim
ban. more on that in a moment. today the doj is arguing the court should look to the text of the ban, not past statements. critics of this ban put their faith in neil katia. he's been on this show. he said this is about more than discrimination. it's also about whether trump can steal power from congress. >> if you accept this order, you're giving the president a power no president in 100 years has exercised an executive proclamation counter mands congress's policy judgments. >> he's referring to how federal law already prohibits discrimination on religion or on what country you're from. and while the travel ban does target people by country, national origin, that would seem to conflict. so cattal was saying today even if this isn't a muslim ban, the court should not give trump the power to undo what congress did. >> he says well, we're
discriminating at the entry side, not at the visa side. if you do that, you are giving the president the power to undo. he's just done it. he's undone the ban on nationality based discrimination, imposed country quotas of zero for these countries at the border. >> saying congress legislated against bans on national origin so trump can't set a quota of zero without breaking that law. the trump doj argued the president has his own authority to make judgments about security and make exceptions. the supreme court has generally been skeptical of using campaign rhetoric to decide a case. consider a less controversial example. remember candidate obama said on the campaign trail that obamacare was not a tax. the supreme court put it to the side and upheld the law as a tax. my point is not that the travel ban is obamacare. the justice department though is arguing that the supreme court doesn't usually hold campaign rhetoric against presidents.
but there is a rebuttal for that. cattal saying he doesn't need candidate trump to show bias. he argued president trump rekindled all of that nasty rhetoric by tweeting out as president those virulent videos and he argued the white house doubled down on all of that by saying his tweets are official statements. >> after the executive order, this latest executive order was prom up gatd the president tweeted these three virulent anti-muslim videos. the spokes plan was asked what is this about. the answer was. >>. >> no controversy facing the president under fire both here and abroad this morning for sharing inflammatory anti-muslim videos on twitter. >> look, i'm not talking about the nature of the video. you're focusing on the wrong thing. the threat is real. that's what the president is talking about is the need for national security. >> that was the white house defending is those tweets that
were at issue in court today. it gets worse because the white house has said trump's tweets are official statements. >> are president trump's tweets considered official white house statements? >> well, the president is the president of the united states. so they're considered official statements by the president of the united states. >> does this all come down to what trump said and what he meant? do campaign speeches and tweets matser less than the words trump used in the ban itself? you know, miley cyrus once said if you mean it, i'll believe it. if you text it, i'll delete it. did donald trump really mean it when he pledged to ban muslims? we all heard him. and who decides if he can just delete that pledge of illegal religious discrimination 1234 is that his call or the court's? >> joining me now is anthony romero, executive director of the american civil liberties union who led the charge against the travel ban. you are part of this effort. it's been a resistance.
what do you think happened in the courtroom today? >> it's hard to guess. it's always hard to read tea leaves from the questions from the justices. there are two buckets of arguments in front of the court, the statutory arguments whether or not this proclamation runs afoul of the statute enacthe by congress and the constitutional arguments whether or not it have a violates protections under the first amendment, violates the establishment claus and freedom of religion. >> is it a religious ban. >> it is. it's a muslim ban. they had a lot of conversation talking around the elephant in the room. 150 million people affected by it. five predominant litmus him countries. they added on north korea and convenience to gussy up the pig. it's still a muslim ban. >> one of the most frustrating things about the law is how exclusionary it is towards anyone else.
it's hard for people to look at this process there today and understand why it's such a tough call for the judges to figure out whether there is a religious part of this, given what the president said and a national origin part as i was just discussing if it basically bans my country. >> and it should be pretty clear. it clearly is a ban based on national origin which runs afoul of the 1965 immigration nationalnality act. so the question is they be, neal katyal who did a great job arguing to the court took about how it took a wrecking ball to the way congress reject aid blanket ban and wanted to insys on individualized hearings with a granular process. >> do you think you're more likely to win on that grounds? >> i think it's one of the stronger grounds. the constitutional arguments, what does a reasonable think the executive order is? he campaigned on a muslim ban. he became president, he promised a muslim ban. he did 1.0 executive order which is clearly a muslim ban, 2.0
struck down, 3.0. >> neal katyal seed to hit his stride on the other part on the fight with congress part. you have a lot more legal experience than i do. it made me wonder whether there's something he thinks in terms of his strategy that he might win not on rjt you but on that way. >> neal understands the way to bring kennedy along. we'll make nel argument we can if we need to the convince kennedy. the arguments are very clear and runs afoul of the whole idea of the executive branch cannot trump congress and override the ina. >> let me play another important moment from inside the courtroom. there's been a lot of talking whether people will resign what trump does. jeff sessions reportedly threat he might on a mule ter issue. rod rosenstein talking about what would happen if he left, don mcgahn threatened to resign. who is left. here was that very idea in the travel ban context that came up in court. >> it was argued in a case this
week about the unitary executive theory, which basically says the president is at the head. if we take justice kagan's hypothetical president, who basically says to his review committee, i want to keep out jews, period, find a way. >> i would expect that if any cabinet member were given that order, that cabinet member would refuse to comply or resign in the face after plainly unconstitutional order. >> do you believe that's true, the doj saying that's how it would go down? >> absolutely not. come on. this is his administration. they will do his every bidding. they took a muslim ban clearly unconstitutional, they went through this entire process of the vetting, dropped two countries, added two countries, went through this whole screening just to gussy it up so the president could get his
muslim ban. who are we fooling? the reasonable observer watching this proclamation seeing the history of the statements, of the president, understands that this is exactly what he promised us. it's a muslim ban. 150 million muslims affected by it. 90 plus, 90 to 99% of the individuals affected by the ban are muslim. you can throw in venezuela just for good measure and just to gussy it up and the people of north korea which there's also a handful of people, at its core, it's a muslim ban and runs afoul of the constitution. >> anthony romero, on a big day for your organization, thanks for being here. appreciate it. >> of course and that is our broadcast. we came on the air and learned a lot of things including michael cohen is pleading the fifth, that donald trump will personally help go through michael cope's evidence and materials for attorney/client privilege and than rudy giuliani is still reopening negotiations from a potential donald trump/bob mueller interview. a lot on "the beat" live from
a large margin has taken a huge effort. a huge effort indeed to stay motivated if a year week for week match for match answer always have to wind chill that's more than commendable but is their constant dominance in the late downs and their superiority all their opponents just too weak. to govern they say bye and win the championship automatically but there's a lot of work that goes into it don't. we take a look back at the season with two buy in legends on my hips felt i'm close i must say yes. because the bye bye bye and you've got a built in cycle guaranteeing to. buy and season wasn't all sunshine and rainbows the champions had their fair share of frustration as well. but here we kick off we'll show you how they once again seem to. let off without
any yes. buy in season ended with confetti atrophies just as it has done in the last few days. to be top of the pile on stage thirty four games and get your hands on the trophy much chance an emotional moment one that you say much of the folks he knows and they surely just have to celebrate their championship but at some point we can't help but ask ourselves is the punters league getting for. july twenty seventh see the pre-season trip to china and singapore the noisy reception when the champs warmed up for the season playing against the top english and italian clubs in the international champions cup. news and i'm ok with playing high class opponents these games and i walk in the park on. the ambition was there but it didn't go well for games played and i need one to show.
i i am not in less than optimal pre-season to my home the alarm bells were already bringing i mean i should mention we can't lose we can draw upon are a big club with a mentality is always to win. by that and i was not there is certainly a warning against complacency now we're just looking forward to the next game and the challenge is to get back on track. that sort of look better stage than the super cup against dortmund the first taste of success with playing for four new faces in a class car in time to list so i mis read three guess and sebastien reading i penalty shootout victory helped restore the pre-season balance. i. we played
a couple of really bad games so it was really important for us to come back here. you could sense the pressure over the past few days. we've brought it partly on our sounds with our patchy preparations but you saw all that will to win now that today but as he gets religion up on a tree because they have. to up all this world to win by an appointed has to have is it just bossing director last summer nicknamed brown so he has nine years on the books as a player. i always gave one hundred percent every training session every game and i'll take the same approach to the job here as sporting director for the director i'm going. on i think passion so how much is a good motivator you could also focus well on performance related matters so. you can do wonders for it so has one move learn a lot from only her innocent conference woman and gun decide if. he will also be
looking to contribute some good ideas of his own. and sally hemings age was put to the test right away working close together with coach carlos mencia a lot see buying kicks off the lake with back to back victories but their form remain an issue. we don't play much the moment but i hope the next games will be better. if. we do it different so. relieved. you have to improve. i think we just played too complicated. far from encouraging by and last to know that hoffenheim on match day three. defeats in a league campaign since twenty eleven. you know everyone's annoyed in the changing room the players the coach everybody little more americans wish that if by the by an express was not to speak not playing well you dropping points for those. as dortmund. the head of the table by and fell behind
putting coach and chillout c. in the firing line. until. she had left out thomas miller at the start of the season was very was often on the bench and in the wrong was being switched from one flank to the other until she was experimenting too much stead of having the players of your mind there you turn to recently against him. after a six league match days and the three male champions league lost at paris and it was time for a change. might have to match months often for listen i know how you could sense the team and coach were no longer working as one of the line up in paris certainly raised a few eyebrows. giving preferences new young players over more experienced ones in some key positions the last straw really. seems a complicated human puzzle it needs a lot of empathy. somewhat neglected that side of things and it proved to be his
downfall. to plan something this is not the needle on the night of that defeat the management decided it would be and she lottie's last game in charge even with no replacement lined up for the entire. will emerge the stronger from this it's still early in the season and we still want to be champions. and so a new coach was found or rather an old familiar one. memories from five years ago instantly returned when you're playing to steered by into an unprecedented travel the biggest success in the club's history. that would have been the perfect ending to his career back then at the age of sixty eight with the emotional sendoff at his hometown club munching glad. the spot that was the perfect. way to round everything out as wonderful as it gets. but all of
a sudden he was back as if he never left starting or much they ate he was back for his fourth stint in charge. so i mean we're in agreement to you this is the ideal man for this task. because has vast expertise also in terms of his man management and he's a perfectionist. so he's finding the best buy's he's one of the best and wisest decisions bind have made in decades. my job here is to reform a team when that's really playing and working together again. despite the difficult situations i'm confident we'll manage to get back on track. and that's exactly what he did two solid victories over frye book and hamburg helped restore the mood and put the chance back on track that's something. that
it. because you did what was necessary. back in the positions that suits them best. doing what's best as usual. and for that i never posted i held. the flowers. it's not he's there when you need him he makes himself available and you can hold onto the ball up from just one of the best strike us in the world and you see just every game he'll always school he said complete center forward package. also flourishing again. responding in hour of need after a word from the coach who knows him well from that time together. i. desire to see i told him i wasn't satisfied with his overall physical condition. he
didn't completely share that view but since then he's been trying to give it a different thing and does. scoring again. against bush in hind case his five hundred when i was a player. and. i think i was like ok but he picked up. the record in sheffield saying from. even in defeat it was among by inspiring thanks to honk his. own and to not care who knows virtually every player here and he's won everything with. big help. you pine has found the right woods for every player. rather than laying down the law he took them up against. that restored sense of confidence has been key to find success since high interest. and does coach. push.
despite the rocky start to the season by and went into the winter break at the top of the table with an eleven point late. and that was even with the number two goalkeepers spent all right playing most of the time in replacement for time well keeper of the year. no man on noir i'm a keeper in my own right i'll do my best in his place but the shit will never be one hundred percent because manuel's the world number one. fine without much take five to stand it all right had the old initial mishap but he swiftly grew into the role finds you number one got better with each match despite the enormous pressure that comes with the daunting task of filling in. his prevented just going behind in a few games he's been excellent. i'm very satisfied with his performance level
still improving makes. the trip to stuttgart in the last month before the winter break to remember. the champions were leading into additional time when. the penalty and the chance to equalise. i could see i still do but i'm not that familiar with him sometimes but i don't think it's the end. of the traditions money being booed was disappointing having been here so long and so you feel ya hear. he was very professional didn't let himself be provoked and put in a. sort of i'm happy all the same a last minute save to help my new teams of three important point. let's talk about manuel neuer also speaks volumes for spend a little time with the new found rhythm by unwell unstoppable even at the. season
point. as do it then fell out of step there weren't even any other contenders back from the winter break by and picked up right where they'd left off i one player stood out in particular as ridge i guess i think opportunity for me guess i think it was. something i was. thinking what to think a fight the window it was a nice goal scored a few nice goals and this one's definitely right up there with them. and i'm very happy to have been able to do my bit for the team. because i was a witness and i don't. now fully a climatized to the bundesliga and maintaining his form in the games that followed a great all round performance from the colombian star. has he's got an incredible are on the field for how the situation is going to develop
because it has also given him the requisite assurance and self belief in one to want to keep him in d.c. so i took a deep in pursuit english patient thomas thomas is a creative player one who sets the tone and the middle of the pitch. when to not get out he's a coach who puts his trust in you he's been in the field of business a long time and i try to learn something from him every day because he's a coach with a lot of experience he has to pass on to his players and then you go ok i mean it's in your would you know. whether he's doing the rounds of the local fan clubs at a shootout challenge with i'll. tell you the best. happens rhetoric is his lead quickly in his new surroundings. not just off the pitch but also on it i miss rodriguez. well i gave the children top flight i think then you
can see he's also learned to travel back for the teams that he takes some of the internal pecking order as well as making him toughest times to pin down bought a fitting in the previous season buying were criticized for going most of the season with only one striker so in winter by and made a notable signing bringing strikers under a wagner from hoffenheim back to his hometown club. by a small amount of mine have always been my team my club personally it's incredible to be home again. made his bundesliga day before buy it in the august two thousand and seven over a decade later a january twenty eighth seen his first league goal for them against his former employers. son dr. who because i think i'm the best german striker whatever the stats but i have to play well for germany's best club since he settled in very well as dynamic. even though his promotion to the german national
team didn't exactly work out the second sound with his strong buy and mentality you know you're missing something i grew up with them and they get a feel for the whole mentality we are who we are it's more than a slogan on a t. shirt it's a very particular feeling here at the club or you soak it up as a youngster and give me a son mia we are who we are. the club created by its d.n.i. embodied in seasons past by the likes of philip long after they retired others had to step up to carry the torch you're sure to make for one in march the fast rising star penned a contract extension through to twenty twenty three. my mother world class club here with a world class t.v. show every day i have the chance to learn from the best and play with the best just . comes across well in interviews he has a charisma about him and a good. body language on the pitch he's
a search isn't happy to take responsibility for all his youth that's how great leaders develop in football. a new person to fight. with all due respect to philip. he's always been forgotten thanks to the quality commission brings to both bahrain and the national team as an attacking threat i think misty just takes even favre commish has a wonderful thing. with hank is back at the helm having much seen as also underwent a personal renaissance as midfield lynchpin shades of twenty thirteen. things that come on was another play transforms the record chance kept racking up the wins my train a team all my coaching cimon all the stuff the doing a great job players are responding well. they're hungry for success and it shows in the football life like mine was this was for. the victory much continued almost without interruption until match day twenty seven i'm not season's running abhi
like say gave the munich all-stars a red states to defeat. the suspense i mean it's not the end of the world to lose here against such a good team and that's a possibility you have to reckon with. on the raid bound by and up against arch rivals dortmund that classic take two for this season this time also with th. i am going to stand. still. i. think i. have. i thought it was i. i.
mean. i think i. got shot at. i i. didn't know what the top european league just the gap between the number one club seems so why it is in the borders league. in the first half especially when you put on quite a show. because it was a real lesson for dormant. and the most important match is it's still the older more experienced players that usually make the difference like from three very choppy i'm still hungry i always want to win. a world class player i can carry on to an advanced age from griggs in that exceptional category. you know he still has a feel for the situation the passing dribbling combining is great for the fans for
buy in and the bundling get it from where brees got another contract extension. on the twenty ninth matchday still with six matches left in the season the title was already in the bag signed sealed and delivered with a b team for one when it was book three various championship numbers with buy and just one more than his long term partner down the right robin who's also panda new one year deal. as well he thinks it's great fun to be out there with him on the pitch we have a very good understanding we can combine really well and we've been through so much together. here makes me quite proud to. have been shopped around for sure finds a family with a riverine robin out there i think the fans are happy. and they've been ten years of the club. where else do you get that these days so above all they're playing. of
outstanding quality to it and professional to a degree i've rarely experienced as a country to be toyed with ribbon rather not finished yet with trophy hunting the buy in is the twenty eighth time they finish top in abundance league so do we have to get used to seeing this image with buy in and they try face when it comes to the bundesliga the answer is yes buy and are just too good. at spears was left out of this offer was released on to the season to finish top by such a large margin mistake in a huge effort very commendable one of the more often you win the title and that six in a row for the less it's appreciated. because it was a foregone conclusion this they're the best they're bound to win the month so it's down to a lot of hard work but i'll stick by my friends if you will you celebrate every title with your team mates the fans and the management it was always a great party and a great experience to win the title this little to. the bone does lee get so i
still know other club in germany has been able to claim it for quite a long time finds astounding athletic and financial stance thanks in part to international t.v. money is just funny on the other hand the other towering position at the moment also has a lot to do with their firing power the big transfers in recent years made all the difference especially level use the league's top goalscorer for the third season running. so was there to do it seeing the meeting boys pour beer over themselves is getting tiresome i didn't even get to drink it because they had to think about the next champions league match. nonetheless you're playing to say there's another title he's steady hand did the trick to bring by him back on course mostly hunkers just knew how to put the right players in the right positions and then there was nothing to stand in the. why and the next but marry and be
a shower. in celebration after the final match they buy in chairman carl hines ruben to get put it this way to go over the club is your first full spell in charge of this club and i think his tremendous qualities are just shone through as ever he's in there because of the above and beyond that i believe you have also done something special this time as he's given the club back a bit of its own d.n.a. saudi sect my visa did. i shoot so we could be on the high because the championships seem to be an no brainer but how will it be without him. as the old coach is moving out that she is moving in the car that she will be a return surpasses all this summer. she has the pedigree he was here two years can he called pines high expectations where losing is not an option. i'm not the least bit worried makers shown at frankfurt he can improve the team as you
can compare frankfurt with by and let me know if that's a new goal political watchers thing lead to coco much as a leader he takes responsibility much someone it matters most you can give the team that extra push you should come up honestly it's how it's all is probably within reach because if you make it that long their team is said to be strengthened even further gorecki from runners up shell and serge gnabry who spent the season on loan at hoffenheim will soon put on the buy in jerseys. since y. who knows who extremely talented german players maybe not world stars but plenty of top european clubs have them in their signings. don't have a lot of competition and buy him but they're young players with a blink future ahead of the so-called forces. of course brian may also lose some important matches like the recent german cup final against on track frank and their future coach but to mess up my whole season seems highly unlikely.
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important meeting because i never even heard that. >> as far as you know, this is all of it. this is everything. >> this is everything. >> all right. so who do you believe? joining me now to break this down, former state department senior adviser. paul butler, professor of law at georgetown law school. former fbi agent. clint watts author of messing with the enemy. david k johnson and former watergate prosecutor. wow, we just have an embarrassment of riches. i'm going to go around the horn and talk about. i'm going to start with you paul. just on how this changes the legal case. trump tower meeting. june 3. donald trump jr. gets e-mail from rob goldstone saying moscow supports his father's candidacy. he responded if it's what you say it is, i love it. trump junior and goldstone finalize a date. same day trump teases this major speech. june 8 russian intelligence
these are places where he should be strong right now. indictments are not. the american public is going to make a decision on how they feel about donald trump in november. this is going to be an election that is responding to him, his personality. and i don't think it's going to go his way. >> it is interesting. i think it was a poll that majority of people think the russians have something on donald trump and that the independence are moving in that direction. nick, could don junior, if in fact cohen who said to paul's point that multiple people were in the room, so there is theoretically a way to easily corroborate whether he's been accurate about the idea that donald junior shared with his father we've got this meeting coming up where russian official is going to give us dirt on hillary clinton. this is what donald junior testified to the senate judiciary committee. this was september 7, 2017. let's listen. >> this is don junior being
campaign. with knowledge beyond this conspiracy upon which 12 russians have already been indicted. so what we're looking at is another block in that evidence that shows that donald trump was part of this conspiracy. >> and before -- and i'm going to go back to the legal bit for a minute. just for a moment. i want to go to malcolm. go back and remind ourselves again of what happened. you had this attack by russians on the dnc and then you have this cascade of events all taking place in june. in which it does appear the trump campaign is going to try to take advantage at minimum of that hacked material.
nit and act which is the sanctions against the russian. l when that information comes out. it's going to be even more damaging because there's no way the entire senior staff of trump's team, jared kushner, paul manafort, all of these people are in the room and would never report to donald trump. it's implausible. >> and the whole question about collusion has been did people around donald trump decide that they were going to help his campaign by accepting information that they thought could be helpful and hurt hillary clinton that is the question. whether or not he was a knowing
asset or unwitting asset. does this information if it pans out with cohen take us closer to the idea that donald trump was a witting participant in what happened to hillary clinton in the election system. the attack on it in 2016. >> i would take it closer. unless there is some sort of physical evidence, i think we've already talked about the phone call from that unknown number, or there is some other person that will corroborate what was said by michael cohen. this is going to be a really difficult angle. the other trouble with this is it's happening now in the public. we heard cohen say this. we're hearing from secondhand sources. it's a little bit troublesome to push too far in what the revelations are that will come from it. i think is more interesting is the number of tapes, the actual recordings of the president, the number of actual physical item, the technical indicators that are out there that connect to the president. i think if there's anything in
terms of this investigation that will ultimately show collusion will have to be some hard evidence that will play out. at the same point, when you look at how the russians do their influence operations, they're looking for unwitting and witting agents to help advance their goals. throughout all of this, what we've seen is some people around the trump campaign maybe knew more of what they were involved in whereas others potentially knew less. who just open the door and seem to be opportunity. many cases around the trump campaign, you see cases of both. i don't think we'll know until the mueller investigation really closes out and further indictments come forward and who fits into which of those two camps. >> before you move on, for those who don't know what the blocked number is, can you remind people what that is. >> the sequence of events around mr. goldstone and his contacts with donald trump jr., there was a series of phone calls that were made. one of the phone calls that were
made during that time after he had been contacted by mr. goldstone was a blocked in your opinion. unknown number. no one knows who he was contacting. in the context of this chain of events with this phone call, no one knows if that is the president or someone in the president's staff that also knew about what was going on. who was promotionally coming into a meeting based on the goldstone contact. >> absolutely. just to really quickly for those of you, this piece in the "washington post" by paul and greg, this is from april 27. and it's titled the new house gop report. remember the republican senate. the house intel committee came out with a report saying it's revealing about a good way according to democratic response to nunez memo right after donald trump jr. set up specifics of the meeting in trump tower, he had two calls to the number in russia belonging to a man. between those two calls, the democratic response for trump received a third call from a blocked number and the question is who it might have been. let me go back to nick.
does this now mean there needs to be a second set of hearings that at minimum to answer the questions and make it a very salient point, there needs to be reopened. either house intel or senate intel needs to recall don junior and try to call cohen. >> if they call don junior, he's simply going to lie again. don't expect you're going hear anything different from him. he's not going to suddenly admit that he lied to the committee. i would think that with respect to cohen, they're probably not going be able to speak to him. he's going to be cooperating with the mueller investigation. keep in mind that cohen in a lot of ways is corroborated right on down the line on what happened here. it's not like this is some incident that was taken out of nowhere that suddenly we think donald trump knew about this meeting. i mean, i think it was pretty obvious to everybody he had to know. he is the one that had the blocked number for starters. also involved in going back to
most recent indictment. he asked the russians in public to actually hack into hillary clinton's e-mail and her server an hours later that's exactly what they did. >> joy, i tell you where those blocked phone records are now. a few miles from here and reporter mueller's office. he already knows whether president trump was called by don junior and we all know a few words what the subject of the conversation. >> my panel is all sticking around. here's the other fun part. putin likes to take things that happen around him. there seems presumably to be a way to affirmatively find out if it were true. multiple people in the room. it will be interesting to know how this plays out. continue this on the other side of the break. we'll be right back.
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we also know for a fact he dictated don junior's cover story for the meeting from air force one. how does all of that work together. in papers in mueller. trump said he -- it was a falls narrative about the subject of ma meeting. and why do you lie? why you cover up if everything is on the up and up. so that's consciousness of guilt on president trump's part and we think about guilty of what? at least four crimes. campaign violations, computer fraud if trump knew the information was coming from hacked hehack ed e-mails. conspiracy to the united states and obstruction of justice. that memo, press release was a flat out lie. >> what's interesting, the committee to protect the president. these house republicans who have made it their mission led by the
chairman of the house intelligence committee and his fellow travelers there. they've tried to say this entire narrative is a lie made up on the basis of the christopher steel dossier. that essentially a political document designed to destroy donald trump is the basis for all of this. at this point, the calls are coming from inside the house. okay. michael cohen is mad and not going to take it anymore is a vanity fair headline. cohen, very knowledgeable about cohen. she reports there's a lot more to come. there's a lot. you're with someone for ten years. you don't think there's a lot. the trump organization is a big business and nobody in that place made a decision without his knowledge. so the idea, it's not christopher steel. it's his own people. >> he is known to be a micro manager. somebody who refuses to let go of the reigns in any way and as of -- didn't necessarily work for him as a businessman because he's been bankrupt 11 times. certainly doesn't trust expertise of other business people. it's not working as president. typically, this is why the
president has a committee to protect him within the white house. right. you're supposed to have people instead, donald trump is getting down into the weeds of even what a press release says and trying to control his own narrative to the point where it's his ego rather than the facts taking over everything. that ultimately that ego is going to be his downfall. >> david k. johnson, now you have the trump organization finance chief being called to testify against the committee. allen weisselberg. considered a witness. people said according to the "wall street journal." tell us a little bit about the trump organization and how it can get dragged in in you view. how involved is the trump organization in the political organization. >> oh, this is all one piece.
he's also not a detailed person. he issues directives. allen weisselberg's involvement with the trump family goes back to when fred trump was running the organization. let's not forget fred trump's business partner was willie, identified in law enforcement reports as a front for the gam bee know and behalf families. all the money, in and out. he may be in a position when he's called to testify invokes fifth amendment right. i'm sure prosecutors and you can talk about this, would in a moment give him immunity transactional or prof lactic because we don't care about him. he's not the focus of this. he knows where the money went and where the money came in and where it went out is critical to understanding what is going on here.
>> who would get them in front of grand jury. >> weisselberg is clearly one of those people. he was involved in every single one of donald trump's tax returns. you could look at the return and understand what happened without having a tax preparer actually explain the entries and take you through the flow of money and flow of information that goes from the underlying records, whatever those may be, into the returns. so in a sense, weisselberg is extremely important witness with respect to understanding how the money came into russia, went into the trump obama administration. how it was reported. what companies were used to hide that money, who was responsible for that, and then what happened to that money. so it's not just a matter of we
could all have his returns, but you really need somebody like weisselberg who can really explain to you what those numbers mean and the significance of everything that appears on those returns. >> and clint, you know, i think one of the things that frustrates a lot of people when they look back at all that happened on the 2016 campaign is that while the cia was on fire about the foreign piece of what russian russia was doing down to the granular piece saying they're trying to help one of the presidents get elected. the fbi was very slow and deliberate about proceeding to that conclusion. is this complexity we're talking about where you've got the trump organization tied to it. donald trump and his family tied to it. is this the reason it did take so long for the fbi to get there in your view. you have to remember how the fbi works. the hacki ining opens up a occa. you have to do the hacking and
track it back. that takes a very long time in cyber. you've seen that. it took many years for them to get that level of attribution. the other part is you don't necessarily know the financial transactions, especially if they have not be part of the case, are tied to any sort of foreign influence. the third big thing to remember is the fbi's mission is to do counter espionage. counter intelligence program is really going after spies. part of this is no one really has the assignment from protecting the american public from foreign influence. there is no agency that is really part of that. there is no task force. there's no interview you go to for that. so when the fbi looks at this, they're looking at a series of cases. they're going to be very slow to do this. you're not really looking to try to identify how a foreign influence would work in social media in hacking maybe through white colored crime or through oligarchs or meeting with foreign contacts. each of those take a long time
to develop. putting it together is not something they can do very quickly gl thatquick ly. >> that's a very important point. we're going to keep this panel. mall couple, tee you up on the other side of break. that's one thing that frustratings people they don't understand. the fbi investigates domestic crimes, but this other foreign intelligence piece. we were talking about it on the show every week. let's talk about why it wasn't able to be stopped and then some of the threats to the next election because they're already happening. much more coming back. stay right there. (vo) why are subaru outback owners always smiling? because they've chosen the industry leader. subaru outback holds its value better than any other vehicle in its class, according to alg. better than rav4. better than grand cherokee.
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we must. we have no choice. we must lower or taxes. your senator, claire, she must do this for you and if she doesn't do it for you, around the same time when donald trump called for her ouster from the senate, missouri senator claire became a target of a fishing attempt. executed by the same russian intelligence agency responsible for the dnc hacks of 2016. according to reporting by the daily beast, she is one of the most vulnerable democrats -- according to the daily beast. one of the most vulnerable democrats for re-election this year. running in a tossup state that trump won. i will not be intimidated. i've said it before and i will say it again. putin is a thug and bully.
we know it's happening again. we know one of the people it's happened to. donald trump this week on tuesday puts out a tweet saying, i'm very concerned russia. that russia will be fighting very hard to have an impact on the upcoming election based on the fact that no president has been tougher on russia than me. okay. they'll be pushing very hard for the democrats. they definitely don't want trump. former intelligence officer, what does that say to you. he is trying to say the russians will sbfr. he admits it. it will be to help the democrats. >> i've sat on this show and i don't know how many times i said this the next election if there's a blue wave, the russians could metal -- not metal. they could carry out another attack either through registration station or direct messing with the ballots in
order to jeopardize the win or loss of the election. and that will be setting the grounds for civil war, really to be quite honest. donald trump is gaslighting us on this issue. he, i don't know where this vulnerability in him comes from. letter of intent said only robert mueller is going to be able to get to the bottom of whatever debt he has for the russians, but he is definitely afraid. definitely afraid of having it found out what actually happened the last time. this is a key component of the russian strategy. >> please explain it to us. what could it be. donald trump has been completely immune to sexual scandal. his base literally does not care about any of that. wouldn't hurt if they did have some sort of sexual compromise on him. what is it that -- i mean, if donald trump is afraid of the
russians, then why would he be in your view. >> first and foremost, the fact that donald is coated in heavy teflon says something very bad about the state of democracy in america and putin's underlying goal here is to disrupt and destroy democracy. you can read his own words about this in russian publications. donald knows perfectly well he is deeply indebted to russian interest. russian speaking interest for money. where did he -- nobody would loan him money, where did he come up with all this cash to buy places? what commitments has he made? what is the full extent of his vomit with the russian gangster felix sader who has been able to manipulate the federal government and not going to prison for running a $40 million stock scam. there's plenty they have to worry about from coming out. trying to help the democrats. right out of the soviet play
book. if nobody trusts anybody who wins, whoever is in power. >> literally had to find indictable cases. not they could have stopped what happened themselves. you had the intelligence community that was trying to attempt to do something about i. now we have a prove of what's going on mpltson. i want to play christopher ray. the. >> we haven't yet seen an effort to target specific election infrastructure this time, but certainly other efforts what i would call malign influence operations are very active. and we could be just a moment away from it going to the next level. >> and really quickly, the malign influence against one specific person, claire up for senate re-election. here's adam slif ranking member talking about a hacking attempt
against her. >> that's really ominous to consider that the same russian actors may have been involved in trying to hack a vulnerable democratic senators campaign right around the same time that president trump called for her ouster from the senate, but what is also distressing to me is the ranking number on the intelligence committee is to learn about these efforts by the russian hackers from comments by microsoft employees at the summit rather than be -- hearing about this from our intelligence community. it shows just how unprepared we are. >> so you know, i'm going to bring you in, but i want to come to you about this. you worked in the state department. i feel like the first time we were all learning about it in realtime. and we're all acting in the moment. the obama administration was agonizing because the response to it would have been a political response. mitch mitch mcconnell made it
clear. he would have come out and attacked. in in the way putin was. announced publicly what was going on in france. what could have been done and in this case, now that we have a pr preview of what they're doing, what should be done. >> part of it at the time is let's not undermine hillary clinton who was everybody at that point in political circles thought was going to win. they did not want to delegitimize her election either and wanted to stay out of it. in hindsight, we've seen and writings of former obama administration officials and president obama himself, there is agonizing over if they did an injustice to the american people. the president sits at the intersection of dmesic and international policy. right. cia is not allowed legally to interfere with the united states. fbi can't do anything overseas. the president is the one making the policy decisions of how you connect the two. after the election, president obama imposed sanctions on russians. kicked out russian agents.
shutdown known spy facilities immediately after the election. donald trump is now trying to take credit for those actions that happened in the obama administration. has been directed by congress to impose additional sanctions. has done none of that. instead he's decided to invite this adversary personally to the white house during the next election. by giving a former kgb agent access on u.s. soil. that is abdication of the responsibility the white house has. that is fundamentally what putin regime is relying on is the chaos of the lack of leadership. >> you're getting an amen from malcolm on that. seems to be opening the door. >> if the president won't act. in fact, i think he's also open to going to moscow himself. he's sort of planning for friendship with russia. the if the congress, trepublicas that control are more focused on
protecting the president than acting, then what can the candidates be doing. we know there were three people targeted. let's put up the list of democratic senators who are the most vulnerable. these are the ten democrats elected in states where donald trump won. claire, joe donnelley of indiana. north dakota, joe mansion of west virginia, bob casey in pennsylvania, which is a state trump is fixated on. montana, wisconsin, ohio, florida. would you advise any democratic who believes they have been the target of the same kind of fishing campaigns that were done to hillary clinton to come out with it. emmanuel macron style. >> yes, they should. the only thing the candidates can do at this point, donald trump not going to have their back at all. he doesn't have the country's back and doesn't have the democrat's back. he thinking russia is going to help democrats. the thing about that tweet as
well. when he tweeted that, he knew the threat had occurred. so there is no bottom to donald trump. there no truth either. never have we seen before a small man such a small man hold such a large office. and i'll throw in one more reason. i think that he's doing this because his ego is so large. his ego is so big. it's preventing him to stop the attack of russia because he believes that the moment he acknowledges this attack in his twisted thinking, then it will diminish his victory. so instead of protecting the country, he's of course thinking about himself, but as it comes to these candidates, the only thing they can do is work with law enforcement. work with the fbi, hire cyber experts to work with them on this because they're not going to have what we saw house republicans vote down funding to get -- for states to get more
money to protect themselves from election security. so they're not going to get any help. they have to do it themselves. it should be out there to the public. we can't trust donald trump. he's not going to tell us the truth. as american people who are going to go vote, we need to know what's going on out there. >> what do you make of sort of what seems to be at least from the outside looking in. the renaissance of the democrats to really lean in on this issue. they seem not really to want to talk about russian interfere. they want to run on local issues. important, the economy and health care. i will reiterate again the emmanuel ma cron was attacked in exactly the same way when he ran for the presidency of france. they went full board. this is what's happening. don't believe any of this garbage you're seeing. and hillary clinton come out and said, hello, pizza gate is part of conspiracy. i don't know. i guess a lot of viewers may be along with me wondering why democrats seem to be so reticent to say, yes this is happening. >> democrats are uning on
issues. the number one issue right now that is really resinating with voters is health care. while the russian interference is important to voters, it's 60%. not that they should run on it. other issues very important to folks. everyone, every folks who are running and competitive house you know, democratic house districts, they're going to run the different type of races that work for them, but, yes, i think that as we go on, we are talking about russia now. we've been talking about russia for the last week. because of the helsinki conference and meeting and summit. whatever it was. that we saw two weeks ago. it has been out there, but you know, it's going to be up to the folks running in the state and to claire 's credit. she's been talking about russia. that's one of the reasons she's in the cross hairs. she's been talking about russia since 2013. they've been coming off her since then. >> i wonder then if we're going to wake up on the morning after
the election and start doing another round of stories about elections that were stolen or that were attacked by a foreign adversary as we had all of this we know there were 21 states that were targeted by those same russian hackers who were indicted. we now have indictments of a group of gru-linked russians who attacked our election systems in key states like colorado, connecticut, illinois. we know this happened. are we going to wake up on the morning after the 2018 election and say, it happened again? >> i'm not sure. i think in terms of what the russians are pursuing, there are only a few congressional races that would make any significance for them or any gain. ultimately, we should remember the long-run goal of this subversion technique is for us to doubt our own democracy, our institutions and our elected leaders. to think they aren't legitimate. they maybe didn't get there on their own or something was shady. if we remember back to 2016,
election-rigged voter fraud was a major theme that was used. i'm sure they would like to reintroduce that again. a good way to do that is to create provocational hacking attempts, specifically on voter rolls just to so doubt so you can influence around it. we should also remember that hacking to power influence comes in the year before the elections. so, what you saw was senator mccaskill, those attacks were starting in about august of 2017. this matches up with the playbook we saw from the kremlin where they started hacking in the fourth quarter of 2015. and next year, whoever's running for president, they should also start looking, if they're going to use this playbook again, if russia makes a decision, they will do that and forecast it by doing hacking. that hacking will start about 15 months from now if they're going to use this technique again against the united states. so, we know what the technique looks like, but whenever we're trying to decide how we're going to combat it, it's taken 18 months for this administration to have one 30-minute meeting about how we're going to mount a defense against russian
influence. if the president's worried about the democrats winning in november because the russians are tipping it towards him, he is the president of the united states. he can do something about it if he wants to. i don't know why he has to get on twitter and cry about it. >> not only him, malcolm, but the republicans. one would think it's a bipartisan issue that we do not want foreign adversaries attacking our elections, but the republicans are -- mitch mcconnell came out and said, they better not mess with us. okay. last time he told president obama you better not say anything about it because i'll say you're being partisan for hillary clinton. in the indictment against those russian officials who participate in the attack against the elections, this is from the indictment, on or about august 15, 2016, the conspirators posing as guccifer 2.0. we do forget it wasn't just donald trump. are you concerned, malcolm, with
two years advanced warning we're still going to wake up on the morning after the election saying this happened again but it happened to candidates for senate and house? >> yeah, i'm concerned. clint's right. it may not happen at the tactical level of races which were really close and somebody had more influenced operations put out against them. i think if they're going to go after it, they'll go after the whole system. and when i mean the whole system, they could just massively run a program and try to get into voter databases, even if they're not successful. so, as clint called it provocation actions out there throughout the electorate, but on this time to maybe they do it against the republicans in order to stoke that unrest and create a situation where a win would be completely considered invalid by one-third of the united states. i want you to just think about it for a moment. that's the fundamental basis for a civil war. that, of course, would allow
trump to consolidate power if he wanted to. i don't know. it's a nightmare scenario. but what we should be doing is every person needs to understand, their individual vote is securable if they vote early, if they get out there and they mobilize other people to vote and we make it so there is no margin that this could have an effect. >> yeah, absolutely. very important to vote early. >> and the relationship between this and the michael cohen revelation is that if president trump knew michael cohen said he diplomat only know about the meeting with the russians, he authorized it, he wanted it to happen, which meant he wanted to work with the russians to steal the election. we don't have to wonder why president trump isn't being more proactive. it's not ineptness, it's not ignorance. if we believe what's coming out of the mueller probe, it's that president trump is actively working with the russians to subvert our democracy. >> and, nick, i think then we
run up against the question, what can you do about it? there's a finding even -- this is a huge projection because this isn't on the table yet. if mueller were to find crimes involving the president of the united states either before he were president or obstruction afterwards, after he was elected, what actually could be done about it? the republican house of representatives have made it pretty clear that they're not interested in doing anything to donald trump or in holding him accountable. so, what could, in theory, mueller do? >> i think -- >> even if he finds crimes? >> i think if he finds a crime, i think if they really find the evidence that looks like is there, that he basically committed treason, that he conspired with the russians to stage the release of those e-mails -- now, don't forget, going back to that june 9th meeting at trump towers relating to sanctions and lifting of sanctions on russia, that was the quid pro quo for the help in the election. so, you've got a bribe being conferred upon the president-elect, the statute
permits that in a certain period of time. it seems to me with that kind of evidence, and if it's strong, the only remedy we really have is for mueller to bring an indictment against donald trump. and if that's what the evidence is, that's where it should go. >> a way that that's accomplished is he's got the goods on don junior now. there's a clear perjury case to be made against him. so, he goes to the president and says, resign, agree not to run for re-election and we won't go after your boy. >> wow. this is -- this is a great panel. i wish we could do another hour, but we can't. we have to let these guys have a day. guys, thank you very much. paul butler, malcolm nance, clint watts, david k. johnson, nick ackerman. karene, we'll let you go. up next, donald trump turns the tea party into socialists. there's more coming after the break.
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president obama, are you listening? we're thinking of having a chicago tea party in july. all you capitalists that want to show up to lake michigan, i'm going to start organizing it. >> remember that? welcome back to "am joy." that was cnbc analyst rick santelli shouting with indignation with president obama's proposal to bail out foreclosures. that five-minute rant brought santelli much more than internet fame. it was the spark that led to the creation of the tea party, a movement of disillusioned conservative, libertarian and popular americans railing against the stimulus plan to rescue the economy and demanding smaller government, lower taxes, slashed government spending and the reduction of the national debt. santelli's call for a new version of the boston tea party that kicked off the american revolution inspired nationwide protests just months into the new administration. featuring tea bags dangling from tri-corner hats and rather
conspicuous obama rage, even upside down flags, a tea party political distress signal. the tea party movement funded heavily by libertarian like the koch brothers, sending the likes of rand paul and 86 other republicans to the house. the tea party freshmen even formed their own house caucus. fast forward to this week when the republican president announced $12 billion, with a "b," in temporary relief to farmers who have been hurt by donald trump's trade tariffs as well as news the white house's midyear budget projections see federal deficits surpassing $1 trillion, with a "t" in 2019. so, where is the tea party? has anybody seen them? tea party? where's the outrage? sure, there have been some critics of the president, some criticism of the president among republican lawmakers over the tariffs and the bailout, but the tea party, they now appear to be
sipping the kofefi. joining me is phil russo, a former member of the orlando tea party. phil and i have known each other for a very long time, mostly interacting over e-mail and online because you were in the tea party. we had many, many debates about the tea party back in it the day where you would say it's not about race, it's about small government and economics. in your view, what happened to them? they are not available to talk about donald trump bailing out farmers and doing tariffs. >> first of all, thank you for having me, joy. it's always great to chat with you about these things. unfortunately, i think americans for prosperity and some other groups which, you know, i like those groups, but when they started getting involved and money started becoming an issue with the tea party groups and some of the groups got bigger than others and the populists
and libertarians you talked about in the opening started to drift away and all you were left with was people who were conservative or republic party activists anyway. the tea party became the activist wing of the republican party, unfortunately. >> but, you know, this is a debate that, like i said, we had back then and that i kind of want to have again, phil, because there was a sense among a lot of people who were observing those rallies where you'd see the witch doctor, president obama depicted as a witch doctor. a lot of really racist signage, that the tea party was saying it was about small government and that the funders of it, the people like the koch brothers cared about cutting their own taxes and not paying social services. but people who showed up just really hated barack obama. i wonder now that you see they are silent, the people they elected are now quietly going along with the idea of a huge farm bailout, that maybe the people who said the tea party was not real, that it was really
about a discomfort with the black president maybe were right? >> well, i think -- joy, i really think it was real at first. i think the first rallies, the first six months to a year of it was real. you have -- i spoke to people in orlando at the events that told me that they had never been to a political event before. they were registered independents. they were people who had never been involved before, but you played a clip of rick santelli's rant. that kind of motivated them and they were angry. those people that i spoke to, i don't think they were motivated by anything other than just anger that the idea the government is not listening to them and they felt powerless and wanted to get up and scream. now, unfortunately, you know, i think we all know there were, you know, some racist elements on the fringe of the tea party,
but i think that was a very small minority of the people that we saw certainly here in orlando. i can't speak for every city, but you did see that. but, like, that -- they were kind of our cross to bear, you know. i don't think just because there were a few racist people that showed up and held ignorant signs that that means the message about limiting the government so it's small enough to fit inside the constitution is necessarily a bad message just because, you know, a few lunatics subscribe to it as well. >> let me come to you on this, jennifer, because one of the things that is sort of fascinating about the sort of tea party/palin/trump. it's largely the same demographic base because the tea party was portrayed as this working class base but they were more affluent so they're kind of the same trump people. are you surprised as someone
yourself who has traversed the ideological plane. you're not conservative anymore. you're a conservative, not a republican. >> this is a joke because i still believe in free trade. i still believe you don't go around giving welfare to corporate farmers and they have completely abandoned this view. i think there's a lot more to what you say than, perhaps, the defenders of the tea party want to admit. i think what they were motivated by was anger. you can say it was racial anger, you can say it was anger simply about losing an election, but when donald trump came around and gave them permission to be angry about race, to be angry about immigrants, to be angry about elites, they said, yeah, that's what we're really angry about. so, i think it was this almost anti-elitism, which you definitely saw during the tea party, that has now been formulated, has been reduced, has been really set in stone as
a nativist, protectionist party. and it is the same people. and i think the rest of the republican party, the kochs and the rest of them, they're not all that pleased. you see the koch brothers now campaigning against restrictionism, you see them campaigning against the bailouts, campaigning against protectionism. because i think on an ideological level, some are very sincere. >> they don't want to pay taxes or social services. >> that's their philosophy. i think when you look at the individuals, we are talking about the same people. we're talking about nine college educated white working class people in rural america. those -- >> and affluent suburbanites. >> i think they, frankly, have been playing the game. let the yahoos put them into office and we'll get our taxes. >> bob corker, who still sounds like what republicans used to sound like, came out and proposed this farm aid policy. he says you have a terrible policy that sends farmers to
poor house and then you put them on welfare. i wish he knew a senator that he could talk to about that. >> i wish there was an independent body, like a co-equal branch of government that could do something. >> wouldn't that be amazing? >> yes. >> why aren't republicans like bob corker who had supposed to be small government conservatives, why does he say he wishes there was a revolt instead of leading a revolt? >> first of all, he's getting out. second of all, he sees where the party has gone. they are the trump party. this is a nativist, protectionist, big government kind of whack-a-doodle party which is about power and this cult of donald trump. the only people you hear speaking up are leaving congress. >> let me bring you in here because the author kind of interesting feature of tea party-era trumpism is they see
the same sets of data as catastrophe during obama and as brilliant and wonderful and fabulous when it's donald trump when the data doesn't change. you had donald trump come out and tout strong 4.1% growth in q2, second quarter of 2018. john harwood, great cnbc analyst for us here at cnbc points out that that would rank fifth if you measured it against the strong quarters of the obama presidency. it would rank fifth behind four different quarters of the obama presidency. you had people who said the economy was terrible on january 19, 2009 -- i mean, 2009 -- i'm sorry, this year, of 2019 -- what am i saying? 2017. >> there you go. >> of 2017. i was out late last night. who then on the day donald trump was inaugurated said the economy is great, trump fixed it. what is going on here with conservativism? >> joy, the opportunistic use of gdp data to say my party is great and the other party is terrible, that's been going on a long time.
i want to go back to the original point about the tea party was originally about the rick santelli rant and a genuine, organic outpouring of opposition to bailouts and the like. i think that's true. but very quickly we saw something very different happen. remember the same people who were saying, obamacare is the root to single payer health care. that wasn't in 2016 or 2017, that was in 2010, 2011. i remember going to a tea party rally in orlando where future presidential candidates for 2016 were coming through town. the republican candidates would get a polite respectful welcome except for marco rubio because he was with the gang of 8, he was heckled, there was incredible nger in that audience. it's true the tea party was this organic concern about big government and spending but what's changed since then is demographic change and support for big government if it
benefits members of the tea party, which are generally older white voters, but opposition to government if it helps other people. i think that's been problematic for the moral legitimacy of the philosophy of big government or small government or your activism thereof. >> he referenced the orlando tea party where republican candidates came out and marco rubio didn't get a very friendly hearing. you remember that era, the big knock on him was immigration. that element -- i feel like we're sort of rewriting the tea party as having started out one way and ended another when maybe it was always the same way. >> joy, i really don't -- i really don't think so. i think much of what we're seeing with trump and a lot of stuff that happened in 2012 is the exact opposite of what the tea party started out as, at least from my point of view. when i was getting involved and active and planning rallies, like those -- things like a farm
bailout, a $12 billion farm bailout was exactly the kind of thing we were fighting against. one of the core principles of the movement was free market capitalism. so, you know, all of this opposition to nafta now, i don't understand where it comes from. and even so far as building the wall that everybody seems to enamored of the idea of building a wall on the mexican border. we talk about free market capitalism and the free movement of goods and services across international boundaries. that includes the free movement of labor across international boundaries. almost everything we're talking about is so the opposite of what drew people like me into it. >> very quickly, is there a base for that version of conservativism beyond the three people that are on screen with me right now? because it doesn't seem the base of the republican party believes in any of that. >> well, i think there is a base for it, but, frankly, a lot of
people like us are now democrats. and i think what we need to contemplate is the possibility that we see realignment in the future where maybe the bernie sanders type split off in one direction, the democratic party becomes this kind of free market, free trade party, and the republican party shrinks to a white populist base. something like that could easily happen over the next ten years. >> i mean, it's -- you do see a lot of people who were associated with free market conservative thinking becoming either actual democrats or ind meants. >> and you see it in foreign policy as well. we haven't talked much about that. the republican party used to be the anti-russia party, in favor of human rights, opposed to dictators around the world. that's completely flipped and those very same people -- i'm not talking about the same demographic. i'm talking about the same people now defend donald trump. so, i think -- >> and defend russia. >> defend russia and defend other dictators around the world. so, i think there has been a complete abandonment, in part, because i think it's another discussion, but i think
conservativism ran into a dead end. people like avik roy and myself are trying to spruce it up, reform, bring in new ideas. diplomat happen. and suddenly the base and everybody else went nativist is populist. now you have this big gap. i suspect there's a lot more in common between people on the center right and center left and i think the party that appeals to them, whether it's a new party, whether it's the democratic party, can pick up a lot of ground. i think there's a lot of commonali commonality. >> you should get to know phil. phil's a good guy. appreciate you being here. jennifer ruben, avik roy, good to see you. still to come, we'll take a look ahead to the 2018 midterms. stay with us. ♪ dear foremothers, your society was led by a woman, who governed thousands... ...commanded armies... ...yielded to no one. when i found you in my dna, i learned where my strength comes from. my name is courtney mckinney, and this is my ancestrydna story.
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about the meeting. between his son, donald trump jr., his son-in-law, jared kushner, and paul manafort and kremlin linked lawyer natalie. jennifer ruben is back with me and joining me matthew miller, msnbc justice and security analyst, my yeah rocky moore. thank you for being here. jennifer, you wrote about this this week. what do you think the cohen news means? >> i think it confirms what we expected all along. it would have been inconceivable for donald trump not to have known his son, his son-in-law, campaign manager were all meeting on the floor above his office with a bunch of russians. i think this kind of fills in the blank. there will be other corroborating information when the special prosecutor gets those blocked calls that came from donald trump jr., probably to his father. it will fit a pattern. but i think this reminds us of something else.
we know a fraction of the facts out there. everyone thinks we're close to the end. i don't think we're very near the end. i think we're in the middle. there's a tremendous number of witnesses who have yet to talk to the special prosecutor. those people in turn are going to turn over other people. we saw a new character introduced when michael cohen introduced the name of the cfo of the trump organization. so we have a long way to go. i do think michael cohen is front and center. he's at the intersection of the women, the russians and the money. >> we'll come back to that, because it's true. it's all sort of lumping together. we do know, matt, you have robert mueller now examining donald trump's tweets. that he may become -- his tweets may become a witness in the case as well in this obstruction inquiry. several of the remarks that are being examined came as trump was also privately pressing jeff sessions, attorney general, and jim comey about the investigation and robert mueller is examining whether the actions
add up to attempts to obstruct to tamp down the inquiry. we now have the potential that donald trump's tweets about jeff sessions and jim comey become evidence against him. >> it's right. one thing people say about donald trump oftentimes is nothing matters. in fact, everything matters. and everything he says publicly matters just like he says privately matters. one thing we know about his tweets, they are in some way his most unfiltered, unvarnished thoughts. it's what he says in the white house by himself, before he's gone into the west wing, his most angry times where he says what he wants. not filtered through white house counsel, not filtered through his outside attorneys. it's what he means. i think what you'll see the special prosecutor do is piece them together with his private actions. they'll use the tweets to try to show his motive. why did he fire jim comey? why did he try to push jeff sessions out of the way? why did he try to push rod rosenstein out of the way?
it's because he wants the investigation to go away. >> there's always this question of donald trump's one-way loyalty and to whom it extends when he returns it. you have michael cohen who is now out there on his own. it's very clear he's been cut off by trump world and they are now at loggerheads with each other. jeff sessions who complains all the time. fired jim comey after comey asking for a proffer of loyalty. the question then becomes whether that loyalty extends to his son. donald trump jr., per the associated press, scores of e-mails to natalie as a well-connected attorney who was a ghost writer of top russian lawyers. don junior is now very much caught up in this, implicated by cohen. should we expect an uncharacteristic loyalty to the son, that donald trump may be willing to go out on a limb to
save junior? >> there are questionings if ivanka is still his favorite child? that's still out there. in terms of jodon junior, he ses to be at the center of a number of investigations when it comes to russia. he's been involved in the nra mueller prong of the investigation. we know that he's -- his name has come up with the maria discussion. we know that that meeting at the trump tower, you know, he was right in the middle of it. we also know that he actually put out a statement dictated by his father. we know that he's in the center of this. now, will donald trump's loyalty actually be shared with his son? i think that question remains. it will be fascinating to see. i think the pressure is being brought to bear by, perhaps, ivanka and others in the family might make him feel a certain passion he might not necessarily feel for cohen or other people. >> speaking of cohen, the daily beast describes cohen and trump as dead to each other as the white house prepares to bury michael cohen, who they depict
as a weakling and a traitor. i don't know that going after michael cohen, who's the keeper of your secrets for over a decade, is the smartest strategy. >> we're not necessarily looking at smart strategy coming out of the white house. >> you mean hiring rudy giuliani wasn't a -- >> and all the lawyers around him have quickly run away, even those in the white house, who were supposed to have recuse themselves. very difficult for people in trump orbit to get outside legal counsel because they don't want anything to do with the mueller investigation. everyone on the legal side sees where this is going. it's going to take some time to get there. ongoing, lots to uncover. the fact we've had 18 indictments so far is record speed for any investigation, particularly one that's being run like a racketeering mob case. and in a racketeering mob case, you go for the people near the don. right now they have peeled off the concilliary and going after family members and turning the screws, when is this person
going to crack. >> michael cohen has been involved in everything from reported payoffs of women who say they had affairs with donald trump. he was involved in allegedly being in prague, which he says he was not. mcclatchy had a piece about how he could get into prague another way. michael cohen seems to be involved in everything in trump world. cutting him off, as a layperson, doesn't seem smart. >> we also forget because there are so many facts, we forget the bad facts from a month ago or two months ago. he was involved during the campaign on the moscow/trump tower escapade with felix sadr. >> and involved in the ukraine peace deal? >> yeah. it's hard to think of something donald trump was doing that michael cohen was not involved in. and i think they've made a decision, if you can think of it as a rationale decision, which is he knows so much, we just
have to ruin the guy. we have to make him seem like a complete liar. that's short-sighted thinking because they're going to be corroborating witnesses for what michael cohen is saying. >> and he tapes people. >> right. you won't tape -- he has 100 tapes, we learned. there are other people in these meetings. these people have left a trail of evidence a mile wide. i think their inclination we'll just ruin him comes from their political philosophy, we're just ruin the people attacking us. it doesn't work in the legal realm because there are facts that matter and evidence that matters and there's a whole realm of documentary evidence that will support them. so, yeah, it's student but understand why they do that. they always operate this way. >> it's also -- they're not winning in the court of public opinion anymore either. they expected that that would maybe supercede and prevail, get them through the next election but we're seeing his polling numbers drop among the people who helped him get elected.
there's a very small narrowing, hard base that will be there. millions of more people who are motivated and energized by the shadiness, if nothing else. and then the pocket issues that aren't being discussed. at the end of the day, who is motivated to go and vote? >> on the ruining front -- there's polling that shows he's got a hard and fast base but it's smaller and smaller and smaller. at the same sometime, elected republicans are joining in this idea that you can brings down the reputation of a christopher steele, of a bob robert mueller and rosenstein. there was talk of impeaching him. mark meadows of north carolina has backed off that after leadership intervened. that idea is on the table, of trying to take down rod rosenstein. >> sometimes the obstruction of justice is right out in the open. you see donald trump doing it. he tries to do it on twitter. that's what house republicans have been trying to do. they are looking for any way
they can to shut down the investigation. if they can't shut down the investigation, they want to discredit it because they realized this isn't as likely with respect to donald trump to end up in front of a jury, as long as he's president. i think that had mueller and rosenstein will respect the long-standing doj president. if it ends up of criminality on behalf of donald trump, it will wind up in the house and senate impeachment proceedings and that's a political case where the opinion of the american people matter. his base may be smaller but strong. they're talking to this narrow audience saying, you can't believe these people. it doesn't matter if they have to burn the justice department down to convince people and have affects on law enforcement's ability to do its job not just in this one, but in terrorism cases because people won't trust the fbi, they won't want to cooperate the fbi, they don't care about any of those consequences because they want to protect the president at any cost. >> it's extraordinary to see the republican party turn on the major law enforcement agency like the fbi in the way they
have. i want to talk a little about the democrats as well. maybe they don't have the bully pulpit, they don't have the mega phone, they don't have the majority. donald trump won't be impeached as long as they're in power but republicans have been reticent to put on the table if they were in power, if found guilty of crimes by mueller, he would be impeached. democrats don't seem to want to go there. >> they seem to be sensitive to this credit teak they don't have a positive agenda for the country. they've been spending a lot of time and spinning wheels trying to come up with slogans and things to talk about their issue agenda. >> what is -- it was better deal, better ingredients, i think, is one? >> it went away really quick. >> for the people. >> for the people. i think is the latest one. unfortunately -- yes, unfortunately, you know, health care still matters. economics still matter. what they're doing to food stamps and everything else still matters. at the same time, the integrity of our democracy is increasingly
at the center, i think, of the nation's attention. and to not -- and to not focus on this in a real way in terms of how it's undercutting our electoral system, how it's undercutting our democracy, how it's undercutting our states in terms of the integrity of the vote in our states is a really, i think, important and egregious oversight. i'm of the breed of democrats who believe that we should put it up front and center because nobody will have, i think, a better argument to make than democrats in the fall about why we actually need to have a working branch of congress that actually serves as a real check on the presidency as opposed to what we have now, which are republican congressmen which are cl colluding with the republican president who has certainly some very questionable, you know, intentions. >> it would be ironic to see the democratic party to be the party that has to come out and defend the fbi, right? it was traditionally republicans would try to own that whole law enforcement space. it is now just open for anyone
who cares to step into it. >> there's only one party left that's a rule of law party. it's crazy. rule of law has been a settled position where both parties settled the rule of law. that's not true anymore. i think with respect to what democrats -- they have to run on being a check on an executive branch that's out of control. i -- i'm one of the people that thinks it would be a mistake to run into impeachment. this investigation is not over. let's see the facts bob mueller comes with. >> the rational democratic party up against -- i don't know what you call it. thank you all very much. up next, the potential 2020 democratic contender comes out swinging. (vo) i was born during the winter of '77. i first met james in 5th grade. we got married after college.
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where did they come from? remember that, where did they come from? now they know but they're not going to the democrats who are going so far left that nobody can believe it. >> well, recent polls show voters actually may be rallying around the democrats. particularly in midwestern states. a hopeful sign for dems that the so-called blue wave could actually happen this november. joining me is tiffany ross, jason johnson, politics editor at the root. i have -- i'm going right in the middle. you're at a disadvantage, one man on the panel. we have to talk about stacy abrams, now that we know who her opponent is going to be, i probably get this question, is she going to win? >> i'm going to get in trouble. >> keep it real. >> it is possible, it is mathematically possible for stacy abrams to win in georgia. is it likely? we don't know. look, kemp has made it his personal quest over the last five years to do everything he
can to suppress the vote in that state. he sued the new georgia projects, allowed voter data to magically disappear, he's gotten rid of early voting. he changed the landscape to make it as difficult -- you talk about the blue wave. they're going up against a mountain in that particular state. and it's a red state. but if there was a candidate stacy abrams could beat, it's kemp. because his nasty, despicable behavior and the very thing he's doing to make georgia more red are what offend people. i think it's going to be a lot more competitive than i thought six months ago. >> you're smiling. >> because jason and i talked about this. >> are you talking about -- bring them out. bring them out. >> i actually think abrams can dw definitely win. she talked about her biggest problem is she needs to convince people that victory is possible. kemp sued her. he's had people arrested,
interrogated. >> he was the attorney general. >> secretary of state and attorney general. >> sorry. >> i do think she has an uphill battle but i think she has been bold enough to run an authentic campaign as authentic as herself. there are plenty of people in georgia looking for a candidate like her. if people get it in their head that victory is possible and come out and vote, she can certainly win. i would say winning is probable. >> i think it's such an exciting -- this is one of the most exciting matches also to watch because you want to know, obviously, kemp is going to be playing so dirty. he'll pull the race card, the gender card. it seems like that's been working for the republicans because it's a consistent message that goes along with, you know, what donald trump is also spewing. but i feel like if anybody -- if anybody can take kemp down, it's going to be stacey abrams. >> georgia has more african-americans by percentage than alabama. if alabama is a winnable state by a democrat, i think it's -- mathematically it should be a
winnable state. it's the white whale of the democratic party. another state where there's heavy voter suppression which was sued over that voter suppression behavior but also demographically should be win by democrats is texas. let's play a little awe new ad. here is this ad. >> the only way for me to be able to deliver for the people of texas is to show up in every single community and every county. to drive to all 254 counties. >> we've been in houston, we've been in dallas, we've been in austin, we've been in georgetown. w again here in amarillo. >> real human beings making this happen. >> regardless of background or geography, i serve only you. that's the beauty of this campaign right now. no pacs, just people. >> i'll start with you, the polling is showing cruz at 41%,
o'rourke at 36% that's in june. ted cruz certainly wants to debate beto five times. that's a sign he's worried. >> i agree. ted cruz is worried and i think he he should be. beto's climb is a little more than abrams. texas is a different animal. greg abbott enjoys huge support from the people. he's faced a few lawsuits himself. he has a latino wife who comes out and campaigns when necessary. ted cruz is latino himself. a lot of people think people of color in one block but there's a lot of conservative latinos in texas who want strong borders and fall for these identity politics. if you look at the contrast between ted cruz's ad and beto's ad -- ted cruz's ad tapped into that dog whistle and feeds on
the xenophobe yeze xenophobe ye. >> it surprises me that works. in a state that is so dependent for its economic growth on mexico. if you go down -- if you go closest to the border, the relationship is fluid and positive. it surprises me this is a state where those dog whistles work rather than repel voters. >> i completely agree with you. i don't understand how it works. it's like a denial. also with everything going on with the child detentions and the forced family separations. i mean, now it's becoming -- i still don't understand how this can remain an issue of race. it has to be a human rights issue. i'm surprised you can play those dog whistles and people fall for it. >> i want to make sure we get wisconsin in because you have another interesting race, tony evers polling at 54%, scott walker at 51%. he was re-elected and people were surprised but he did get back in. what has changed? >> scott's in trouble because the president is unpopular. that's the biggest thing. i've always said this.
donald trump can -- he can -- he remains popular but it's a millstone around the neck of other republicans in this country. he has no coat tails. that's been dragging scott walker down. all of these tariffs -- canada has been specifically targeting wisconsin and pennsylvania in their tariffs. they are hitting wisconsin where it hurts. scott walker has been trying to judge you have it and a lot of voters in that state are unhappy. third time's a charm. scott walker gets knocked out. earlier this week i literally had a conversation with one of ted cruz's pollsters. we're not going to debate. their internal polls must indicate they're in danger. >> they moved the house as a tilt toward the democrats, 17 ratings have been changed in favor of the democrats. it's supposed to be a bad year for them, at least on the senate side. ten senators up in states trump won. what does the picture look like for 2018, can they flip the house or the senate? >> i definitely think the house is at play.
i think the senate is going to be a little more challenging. i think it's -- i just don't know any, you know, well-funded democrats out there who are, you know, putting republicans in danger, to be quite honest. but the house, i definitely think is going to be a huge part. i just want to piggyback quickly on what jason said about wisconsin, about the location. i think wisconsin, part of it is locations, location, location, but i think in the race it's also education, education, education. and you've had a lot of public educators come out and campaign and be on the front lines in that race because he completely attacked the public education system there when he decimated their collective bargaining rights. he was strategic because he excluded the police and firefighters, state trooper unions because they vote for conservati conservative. >> we're going to keep going. we're going to keep the panel around. i have to talk about florida. the latest on michael cohen's new claims that his former boss knew about that trump tower meeting before it happened. first, more "am joy" after the break. ♪
jason, to stephen stacey abrams second. we were talking about georgia democrats it's so hard to win. >> part of it is about suppression and you've got atlanta and most of the state, savannah. you didn't have high voter registration in atlanta. people cared about the mayor. this year, they've got hundreds of thousand of people involved and motivated with kent being this aggressive guy who runs around saying i'm going to get rid of mexicans in the state and putting guns into 16 year olds, it's going to be difficult but if there's a candidate in a year, this will be that year. >> and i feel like alabama changed the game. the idea that black women are supermotivated right now because they smell victory. they've done it. >> it's so interesting, i look that the. to save the country, it's got a countdown. and a lot of interesting things
that black women aren't entitled or obligated to save us. they saved themselves. they didn't want that child molester banned from malls, whatnot, to be in their local government. >> when you're banned from hot topics, i generally think that's going to be it. >> let's talk about florida. i'm perplexed by florida as well. you have three, really four, jeff green also running for the democratic governor. and the african-american candidate. gwen graham the daughter of bob graham. the former mayor of miami beach all in contention. it's a topsy-turvy race. it now appears that graham and levine on the top there. >> and a happy mayor a lum night of florida university just this week a federal judge ruled prohibiting early voting sites on campuses and universities are discriminatory. i thought this would be great,
because andrew graduated there. and i thought this might shift with the colleges and young voters down there. we'll see what happens. i'm is not ready. i'm holding out hope. >> is florida another georgia? a territory that's winnable in theory, demographically but not necessarily for democrats for some weird reason? >> the other thing that's happening, while you have a functional democratic party in florida, they're not as functional -- they don't have the kind of structure on the ground for a state that remains as competitive in some of the local races as they do. and that's part of the issue. i found it whether you're looking at georgia, alabama or ohio. there's a lot of states where the democratic party in recent years are saying, man, we can't really pull this off. and they don't have the kind of money or focus behind the candidate. >> yeah. >> maybe this will change once the primary is over, gilliam or whoever, i don't see the structure down there to make a
statewide push. >> the year of the woman, gwen graham, can she pull it out? >> i hope so. dem, we cannot afford to lose. >> levine tried to tell them. jason johnson, anushay hossein, tiffany cross, thank you very much. you can check out my interview with shirley sherrod. you do not want to miss it. you'll hear what she has to say about trump's farm fallout and the gooding gg governeorgia gov. more "am joy" after the break. best price . giddyup! kayak. search one and done.
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outlets that don't toe the democratic party line that has existed for about 15 minutes. the left also used to worry about the unchecked power about the most powerful sectors of our government, the cia, fbi and a whole constellated constellation. he worried they might violate civil liberties at will and they might spy on americans. they might hide all of that beneath a black cloak of the world classified. now those agencies have used their powers to spy on trump associates and lick damaging information about the administration to the press. suddenly, the left considers them these unaccountable members of the deep state heroes. how about this one come up for decades the left accuse the risk of not paying their fair share of taxes. okay, last year's tax reform bill rolled back the state and local taxes that rich people can deduct. now that the wealthy formed with the core of the democratic party's constituency, liberals are outraged by this. new york and new jersey are suing the trump administration to get the rich they are tax deductions back. george w. bush embroiled america
in the middle eastern war. now he gave a speech about trump and is fully rehabilitated. the left controls major news outlets and they should but after the washington trump a tech demo trump, a "usa today" columnist said those critiques were "attacks on the first amendment." president trump tweeted threats that kim jong un, so his sister was praised at the winter olympics for stealing the spotlight from vice president pence. she must be great, the president hates her brother. president trump wants better relationships with russia so naturally all the geniuses in washington tell us we have to prepare for war in both countries. to anyone who remembers the democrats of the 1960s, the 90s or even three years ago, it's all very confusing, that party is dead. it's been replaced by a new one whose entire platform could be, say no to trump. this isn't politics anymore, it's the world's dumbest religion. tammy bruce is our radio host and she joins us tonight.
how easy is the left to control, if the president says he oppose opposes? 99% of them would be for it. >> this is in a way kind of strange and funny. we have accused of the left of having trump derangement syndrome, as a mocking example of the fact that they simply need to grow up. this is something that is just this inability of people to acknowledge and deal with a real-life adult event that they have lost an election. now there is an effort to normalize being so damaged, if you will come up by an external event that you have some u.s. psychiatrist says they now have more patience with trump anxiety disorder. of course none of that is really true or genuine. it is about people needing to grow up and deal with reality properly. but in the process as you note, liberals are giving the president an enormous amount of
control. their lives and every moment of how they react to him is based on what he says and what he does. they have seeded complete control to him. if they step back for a moment and just realize that they have some influence where they could work in a dynamic to get their policies, their narratives, their preferences past, maybe they would have some success. and that encourages this refusal to deal with reality and place on effectively and is almost an abusive dynamic. it comes down to individual americans deciding that they are going to be children at this point. >> tucker: it's a literally reactionary and they are reacting purely to him. i'm not sure i really even understand that. trump is interesting i guess, he's a politician. they find him the most fascinating person that ever
lived. what about him drives them so bonkers? especially us being neck especie the things he has done has improved everyone's lives. isis is static, ms-13 is being dealt with and everyone has more money in their pocket. the job economy is at historic lows, and there is no one who hasn't benefited from this except of course isis and ms-13. they had this idea, they were told certain things by their leadership of how it's going to be. everyone thought it was going to be a certain way and they were promised certain things come donald trump represents the fact that the future may be isn't controlled by them. they were encouraged by democratic leadership to see this in a personal way, exclusively in a personal way and the most extreme fashion, appealing to the french. i can tell you and maybe they
were not as divided as we say we are. the majority of the democrats also agrees with the benefit that at this president is bringing us. democrats are walking away from the party and there is a shift in what's happening and democrat leadership was not prepared for this. they feel that harassment of people who don't think like them is the easiest and best thing to do. >> tucker: so they are failing, so they are hysterical. it's an amazing moment. >> richard goodstein is a lawyer and advised hillary clinton's campaign. richard, i never thought i would see a moment where democrats are angry because a republican has raised taxes on the rich. i never thought that would happen. if there is one sort of core idea in the democratic party, it is that the rich don't pay enough. the tax bill makes them pay more in certain places on the east coast and new york and new jersey. and they are suing him for it.
how does that work exactly? >> i think the core economic value of social and economic justice. i think the feeling that most of these tax cuts went to corporations and, most people, the wages are flat. >> is not a minor keeper of te democratic party and that only affects rich people. they are angry that that the rich are getting soaked. >> the truth is, what the tax bill did was go after blue state's wealthy people.
that's what i did and invariably it hit states like new york and new jersey. >> the fact remains that the democrats are arguing. but it is suggest that whatever trump is for, they are against. >> i think that's actually a distortion. had they been in charge of congress would have been legislation that would have indeed lower tax rates for middle-class and most wage earners and increased or kept current the rates for wealthy people >> i'm not criticizing you for that, i get it. but you are not acknowledging how weird this moment is. >> go up and down wall street, and ask whether they are paying
higher or lower taxes. most of them got a huge tax benefit. >> they are all democratic voters. did you ever think you would see a moment where the democratic party defended the dignity of hard-core pornography? where rudy giuliani computer character of stormy daniels who had with strangers on camera, or the left side, there's nothing wrong with that, how did we get to that point? do you have a huge constituency of pornography workers? >> i never thought we would see president or air force one denies something when he's asked about stormy daniels or karen mcdougall and his lawyer admitted he was lying. i never thought we would see that. >> it didn't speak to the principle of the entire party. is there a big constituency of things that pornographic actors do not get the respect that they are due? what about ms-13? is there a big ms-13 constituency? it's like we have to shore up the base of the ms-13 voters.
>> there is no constituency for tearing babies from others. except for somebody in the white house and people who work for him. >> tucker: carrying babies from others. okay. >> that's what's happening. >> is happening to american citizens every single day. every american with children, half of all federal prisoners are separated from the kids but nobody cares because they are just americans. where's the outrage for that, any idea? >> of these people were getting traumatized in central america. and they will -- >> what about utica, what about youngstown? nobody cares and, they didn't make a choice by violating their immigration law, that was mandatory, i guess. >> i think we are talking about
two different things. >> we are, i'm talking about americans and you are talking about foreigners who break our laws. >> richard, great to see you, thank you very much. president trump promised to build a wall on the border and carried the republicans party to victory two years ago on that promise. elections are supposed to have consequences and this election didn't have consequences. though republicans are still refusing to pay for the wall. why is that? lou dobbs may have an answer, next from new york. in 5th grade. we got married after college. and had twin boys. but then one night, a truck didn't stop. but thanks to our forester,
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senate are made up of simply acolytes of the expediency, and of course corporate america and the u.s. multinationals and the koch brothers, wall street. business roundtable and the chamber of commerce. by the time you get through there is no room for the american people, just 300 million of us. there is no more room for the middle class, working men and women and for the families. that's why president trump president trump got elected. the american people sent the inordinate power and corruption of the establishment and that is why this anti-established president was elected. >> tucker: it's proving a point. a lot of people voted for him because they thought this isn't a democracy, it's an oligarchy. stop lying to me. then they thought, what is the thing that voters voted for russian mark they are not trying and they are doing it rather's
notably as well. this missive, superior and by the way, don't even pretend that you belong in the same room as me. and paul ryan, he's talking about a better way agenda to compete when in fact what they are both saying is they are going to do exactly what charles cote says. we are going to the open borders and bring across as many illegal immigrants as possible. the working class be, working men and women be, america be. they are going against trump in this country and our most precious values and all that has made us great. and that is our middle class. >> tucker: so apart from the fact that the democratic party has actually gone off the deep end and is dangerous, leaving that aside why would anyone vote for republicans right now? >> right now there's only one reason, his name is donald don. trump.
there is no other explanation and these schools are leading the house and the senate. they don't have to talk about the regulation, and just over a year and a half an office. it's remarkable. it's been one second they get crushed, let say they lose the house. >> and they likely will if they leave particularly ryan in place. the american people, they will know the reason. but there's a party not worthy of their support and not worthy of their trust. there is a precedent and that will be the great divide. we are watching oligarchs like the koch brothers carrying out class warfare. think of this, the koch brothers who have been synonymous with the republican party are
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how does this help american citizens in philadelphia? >> to talk about a democracy, the people of philadelphia elected the mirror. people who were either born here or are u.s. citizens supported the mayor and still support the mayor's decision to abolish i.c.e., so the ability to cut that tie between i.c.e. so these are the wishes of philadelphia. >> tucker: so by that you are saying that any elected official, because he was elected by definition, all of his decisions have the support of the people. so by that measure, donald trump and his position on illegal immigration is the will of the people at the of the united states. so how dare you question that. >> he was -- he won by technicality, and -- >> tucker: okay. let me explain our system to you because i know you are here illegally. as an american i will tell you that he won under the rules that
we have that were set out in our founding documents. you may not like them but those are the rules. so he is our democratically elected president and your point now is that once you are elected no one can complain about what you do because as you put it, democracy. >> you have the right to complain and i think everyone has the right to -- >> tucker: you made a silly point and i destroyed it. let's get to the real meat of this debate which is, how does it help the citizens. how does that help allowing them criminals to go unpunished or escape federal law enforcement. how does that benefit philadelphians? >> there are two systems. the preliminary arraignment reporting system that we just kowtow to, that prevents i.c.e. from going into the system with day-to-day interactions. so if they go to a party with a bunch of teenagers, and they call police and the rest of teenagers, i.c.e. doesn't get need to get involved in that. if someone gets arrested for violent crime, they still go
through the fbi and department of homeland security fingerprints. so violent criminals will still go through a system and ice still has that information. people will still be protected. i.c.e. does not target the teenagers. >> that was a federal law by the way voted for the system that you lauded when you first sat down, our democracy. people voted for those laws and now you are saying it's immoral to enforce them. so i guess i'm the one who believes in democracy, not you. but by your standards the state of new york has an assault weapons ban. lots of towns are against that. should the sheriff say i'm not going to refer the violators of the weapons ban to the state, would that be okay with you? >> we already have some counties in the upstate or across the country that are pushing for gun laws. >> no, we don't. >> people say in terms of the
policies that they agree with. beco what they don't do is encourage the violation of law because that is not democracy, that's anarchy. you know as well as i come up if there was a town named new york, he would be outraged and i wouldn't like it either because i believe in the law. so why is this different? because one is fashionable and helps the democratic party and the other is not. >> when it comes to the resist movement, we seen this across the country. whether it's republican or democrat, liberal or conservative, everyone has the right. so we are not debating -- >> you are not debating -- >> its constitutional rights and that's what we are debating at this moment. >> not so insane, i'm not even sure i can -- very quickly, they are now calls on the left to make health care universal.
this country is tens of trillions in debt. should we extend those benefits to illegal aliens, and if so, why? >> it goes with the concept of the citizenship. nation we have matured. >> don't hit me with the race. >> as a citizen of our country you don't get to lecture me. >> i believe that we should open the franchise, the right to vote to everyone. because the unique -- >> including you? you are here illegally. >> is a unique experiment, american democracy is all about that. >> tucker: i don't know what chutzpah is in spanish but for you sitting here illegally -- you do have a green card. >> that's for a different segment. >> so you are telling me that the essence of our country is
not our constitution that is letting illegals vote? >> it's about us truly embracing that everyone can be an american. >> so no matter where you are from you have a right to come here and vote in our elections and get free stuff. we built this awesome county and everyone around the world gets to take what they want because why? >> christopher columbus, did they have citizenship? >> he didn't build the country by the way. american state and that's a fundamental right. >> i'm american. >> know you are mexican. >> i mexican-american. great to see you. >> thank you so much for having me again. >> tucker: we have finally the pfizer application by the carter page. also greg gutfeld is here, exposing new york mayor bill
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getting that application released in the first place. tom, first of all, thank you for what you have done with these foia requests. they are complicated and expensive and i'm glad that you filed it because it gives us a picture of what the spying was about. but it doesn't give us the whole picture. what do you think was redacted and why? >> i think more corruption has been redacted to come up more dishonesty with the fisa court or things that obama administration and frankly some of the trump administration don't want us to see in terms of outrageous political targeting of the trump campaign, and then even president trump. because remember these fisa warrants were used during the obama administration and signed as recently as june of 2017 by rod rosenstein. and he presumably used it for the mueller investigation. so there are a lot of people who want to see this full
information. president has intervened directly and declassified this material. they say there's nothing classified here, they are just protecting their own. and at the president's declassification earlier this year frankly led to the release of this material through the foia process. he should take the next step and release the next set of information, only 30 pages or so, and got the full truth out to the american people. that's within his power to do, he overrode the deep state earlier this year and we got this amazing material about the dnc and clinton dossier and overrode their concerns again. >> just remind us, as protecting the reputation of your agency or hiding your own corruption, or those valid reasons to redact information in a document? >> frankly it ought to require the disclosure. the justice department and the fbi's need to stop the cover-up and it using these exemptions, these reductions to protect
public disclosure of government corruption is an appropriate use of those materials or those privileges and why the president needs to step in. these guys can't be trusted to evaluate the material fairly and that's why president trump should act. >> tucker: they ought to be fired innately for that. it's totally indefensible. most americans are horrified by what's happening in california and many are leaving the states. but bill de blasio says he sees it as a model for new york. greg gutfeld joins us next to explain what's happening ♪ bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens ♪ ♪ brown paper packages tied up with strings ♪ ♪ these are a few of my favorite things ♪ ♪ ♪
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many years the golden state. greg gutfeld and i are both from there but no human waste and drug needles are piling up in the streets and people are fleeing faster than they can rent writer trucks. it's not a model to imitate unless you are at the mayor of bill de blasio. he is looking to open new needle exchange sites because the city isn't dirty enough. and how's that for depressing? greg gutfeld host "the greg gutfeld show" saturday at 10:00 a.m. and of course every day cohost "the five." >> street feet was the name of our band by the way, punk polecat. this is how progressive thanks, new york looks at los angeles and thinks, pulled my herbal tea, i can do worse. so, he was already chosen not to arrest people over with so there you technically are the golden state. that's disgusting but also
amusing and deeply true. but also so predictable. so it de blasio takes over and gets like 15% of the voters and nobody votes. you look at him and you think, i hope he's not going to do what liberals did to the 70s and in six years he already has. >> the reason is, they have a rich guilty liberals. if you have a lot of guilt rich and guilty liberals they will allow for any kind of bad decision or stupid decision because they can afford it. the other people can't but they can. that's what you have this incredible wealth inequality. you have -- that's what i love about l.a., hollywood creates these dystopian fantasies like the handmaid's tale and how evil this is, but they don't have to. all they have to do is look out the window. >> by the way, i just noticed you have a gumdrop. >> i am getting this on ebay.
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and proud and willing to eat anything. so if the man were to routinely order a soy based product? >> women should be okay with that but the women in the study but believe the man should eat meat probably because they've been conditioned to relieve in the hundreds of our society and could provide for them. they believe that the men have to supply the meat. >> could it be the opposite, that women have been programmed, but carnivores are probably better. >> i am just guessing here.
i have swerved off the beaten path of science. >> the study showed that the men eat the meat because they are the better providers because of the hunting societies. and it went back to the hunting society. >> it's so sad because the vegan and vegetarians -- >> tucker: so you are after the man who orders tofu, and then you are after the man who orders the new york strip. how does that rate? >> the man would appreciate if the man has a great personality. >> so what about a bone in filet. a man and his meat are impressive, for sure. but i don't think that matters, it's a personality that counts. >> tucker: you are sticking valiantly to the talking points.
>> it's not a talking point. >> i refuse to believe that. this is really the cadillac, this is the bentley of steaks. a man orders that at dinner and he doesn't go up at all in your estimation? >> i don't find it anymore attractive. order status, part of us thinks, i like this guy. >> are you speaking traditional roles western mark >> i'm saying, what does your heart tell you? do you say that's toxic masculinity or is that the man for me? >> well, i would find it just as masculine.
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wide-ranging conversation the two of them had. let me play a tape here from senator lindsey graham, senior senator from south carolina, responding to all of this. >> when it comes to michael cohen, you should be very suspicious of anything he says. he's on the hot seat. mr. cohen, if you've got something new to say, you need to come to congress and say it under oath. >> everyone is a lawyer. i should say, lindsey graham is actually a lawyer. so he has some justification there weighing in, i guess, on what happens on the hot seat. sara, give me your perspective on this. we have seen teases here from michael cohen, lanny davis releasing that tape, memobly on tuesday night. we listened to it in real-time as it was played out on cable news. we've heard it subsequently. what's your sense here of what michael cohen's thinking, his frame of mind here as we approach a new week? >> well, it's true that cohen is in the hot seat, right? he's facing federal charges connected with his business dealings in new york. so he may have reasons to want to make nice with prosecutors, want to offer prosecutors something tantalizing. that doesn't necessarily mean that what he has to offer isn't
mateo salvini, extreme right wing interior minister there, who wants essentially to carry out ethnic cleansing and all kinds of abhorrent policies in italy. and to the extent that conte is talking for him, they will find they have something in common. >> sara, there is a new mpr/pbs poll to the degree americans think there will be interference in the election. 57% of those surveyed think so. give us the major take-aways from that mpr poll as we look to the mid terms 100 days away from today. >> i think that just shows that the public, to a large extent, is believing the conclusions of the u.s. intelligence community, right? that russia interfered in 2016 and continues to want to do so. and as we talked about earlier, vladimir putin said himself, he wanted trump to win the election. and you don't have to just take putin's word for it. that is the conclusion of the u.s. intelligence community, as well.
and so i think this poll suggests that voters -- a majority of voters believe that. the question is, how does it affect, you know, at the local level, at the, you know -- each race is different, right? and much of trump's space still seems to believe him on so much of what he says. but i think, at least on this issue, the findings of the intelligence community are getting through, and voters seem to accept them. >> jeff, last question to you. looking at the president's twitter feed today, he raised the specter of a government shutdown, a threat he's made before. that if lawmakers won't give him the funding that he wants to fortify the u.s./mexico border more than it is, he would be willing to shut down the federal government. how is that reverberating through washington, bearing in mind, of course, that representatives have returned home to their districts, in the beginnings of the august recess? >> it's a great point, david. and look, this tweet -- this shutdown threat comes days after the president hosted house speaker paul ryan and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell
here at the white house. they talked about this issue of government funding. and i'm told by two senior republican leadership sources those two men, ryan and mcconnell, walked away thinking they and the president were all on the same page. they would defer all this talk about funding the wall until after the mid terms. why? because no lawmaker, especially those up for re-election, wants to have a debate about immigration leading up to the midterm election. but you can see here how the president, and we know this to be true, the animating issue for his base is all about immigration. and if you look at the tweet, the last line here i think gives it away, that this is a message the president wants to send. he says, we have to move to a system of immigration based on merit. we need great people coming into our country. this is a zero sum nativist view expressed by the president and his allies, that what is good for immigrants is bad for america, david. >> geoff, thank you very much for that. geoff bennett, sara mccann, my
thanks to you. 100 days away from the mid terms, a good sense of what president trump wants to focus on when he hits the campaign trail. he says he'll be on the trail, stumping for republicans, six or seven days a week, as november approaches. and he wants to focus on the economy. he is proud of one piece of data in particular, growth up 4.1% in the second quarter. the president commenting today, quote, the biggest and best results coming out of the good gdp report was that the quarterly trade deficit has been redu reduced by $52 billion and the historically low unemployment numbers, especially for african-americans, hispanics, asians and women. summarizing the speech she gave on friday, and fewer than 280 characters. senior analyst for cnbc. ron, i want to start with that speech on friday, the degree to which it was a preview of what's to come. you look at the data, you know about long-term data. he was being oddly and wrongly predictive as he talked about it in that speech. that we're going to see more of the same, based on what? >> well, based on the notion
that for some reason, these exports will continue to grow with the furious pace we saw in the second quarter. really, we saw $50 billion pop in this exports, because many agricultural producers and others are trying to get that product overseas before retaliatory tariffs. >> let's speak here. they were worried that prices were going to go up so there was a push to get that stuff -- >> on the receiving end, they were worried they would have retaliatory tariffs delivered against u.s. producers. so soybean experts and other things popped in the second quarter. actually, added a full personal point to gdp. without that, the economy would have grown 3.04%. the president also said that this is a historic turn-around. historic turn-arounds in our economy have occurred in 2009, 1981, 1946. when we've come out of huge recessionary periods. and, again, in the middle of the 1930s for a brief period of time. this is an extension of an ongoing recovery that began in july of 2009, and is accelerating a bit. under president obama, we had five quarters where growth
exceeded 4%. so this is really not historic in that regard. >> jeff bennett was quoting that tweet from the president. i've worked in washington, i've worked in new york. something i always struggled with when i was in washington, why new york didn't seem to care more about things like government shutdowns, particularly at the end of the obama administration. there was this sense, whenever i would talk to business people here in new york, that they'll get their act together. they're going to sort this out. it's not as big a burden as we make it out to be. when you read something as cavalier as what we saw from president trump, how do you feel about the potential economic and political ramifications of raising the specter of having another shutdown? >> shutdowns are damaging to the financial credibility of the finances. we have already seen the russians dump all of their treasury holdings in the united states. when you start talking about shutdowns, not paying your bills, that could shake the faith of those who lend us money. having said that, this is also a manufactured immigration crisis. we do not have one in the united states. in fact, we have a labor shortage in the u.s., so every time the president starts talking about some sort of
crisis around immigration, 1 million mexicans left the united states from 2009 until today, net. we have some obvious issues when it comes to immigration, when it comes to the refugee problems. but from an economic perspective, we actually need more workers. our birth rate has fallen to a 70-year low. we don't have enough unemployed people to fill the number of outstanding jobs that we have in this country. and we talk about the agricultural community in central valley, california. when you talk about home builders complaining they can't find construction workers, we are short workers, not short jobs. the president in that regard has it backwards. and threatening a shut jodown o a wall we don't need and one could argue about that all day long, is also strange. no congressman as we heard earlier really wants to get in the middle of that fight right before the mid terms. >> i want to go back in the archives. we have a piece of tape from october of 2016. this was the third presidential debate, took place in las vegas. the president was talking about growth, then candidate was talking about economic growth. let's take a listen to what he had to say.
>> we're bringing it from 1% up to 4%, and i actually think we can go higher than 4%. i think you can go to 5 or 6%. >> does anything that you see in the data indicate that we're headed for 5 or 6%? and more broadly, he's proud of this figure. he's proud of the 4.1 read. >> and he gets to take credit for it, absolutely. >> it could be revised down. it could be revised up. do people know what this number means? the president cares a lot about it. how much should we care about that one measure of how the economy is doing? >> it's a good measure insofar as it shows the output of the united states. the total value of the economy. this was one quarter's 4% growth annualized. as i said, in the obama years, we saw five times in which the quarterly growth rate exceeded 4%. he's talking about annual rates of growth. we have not seen extended periods of 4% growth. number one that export growth we got will likely evaporate in the third, bringing gdp towards trend. and the president also on friday
said we might see 8 or 9% economic growth. >> why not? >> 50% faster than china is growing right now. simple economic equation, david, which i'm sure you're familiar with. labor force growth, plus productivity growth equals gdp growth. we're lagging in both right now so to really get to 5 or 6%, we would need, in addition to the stimulus we've already seen, more stimulus, maybe less interest rate hikes -- fewer interest rate hikes from the federal reserve. a real big burst in productivity and a surge in the size of the labor force to get anywhere near those numbers. so most economists expect, we might trend towards 3%. but 4, 5, 6% on a longer-term basis, not a single forecast out there that looks like that. >> ron, great to see you. thank you for joining me here in new york. as the president's former personal lawyer ponders whether to cooperate with investigators, the former campaign chairman is about to stand trial in virginia. up next, what to expect from paul manafort's trial, which starts on tuesday. (vo) why are subaru outback
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court is in session on tuesday. paul manafort faces financial fraud charges in a u.s. district court, and the judge has made clear prosecutors from special counsel robert mueller's team were supposed to keep a narrow focus on the defendant's financial dealings. joining me now is josh leaderman, nbc national political reporter, danny cevallos, legal analyst. what can we expect when we're gaveled in on tuesday? >> david, this is really the first jury trial we are going to see, since this whole special counsel investigation started. so there have been all kinds of court filings and grand jury proceedings, but we haven't actually had a trial. and in this trial, we are not expecting to hear a whole lot about the issues of potential collusion between trump's campaign and russia. the big kahuna that everyone is interested in. this trial will be focused on
the issues related to paul manafort, former campaign chairman for the president, and his work in ukraine, from about 2006 until just a few years ago. and whether he used tax and bank means that were illegal to try to bring some of those proceeds back from ukraine. >> danny, i'm going to read from the "new york times" here, writing about the trial that is set to begin. prosecutors have said they do not intend to delve into questions about collusion between russia and the trump campaign in this case, which focuses on how mr. manafort handled the money he earned working as a consultant in ukraine. you heard josh talking about that, as well. how difficult is that to do? you've got these two trials happening discreetly. how hard is it to keep them separate? >> it's very interesting, because paul manafort tried to have that case thrown out on exactly those grounds. in essence, that the special counsel had exceeded his authority under the document which mandated his -- gave him his mandate to proceed with the prosecution investigation of anything arising from the russia investigation. and i would say the judge barely allowed the case to proceed and
expressed skepticism. because, in fact, tax perjury and the other charges that manafort faces have virtually nothing to do with the russia collusion, as we, the public understand. but because they arise from the -- they are a prosecution that arises from the investigation, then they are allowed to proceed. >> josh, presiding over this is judge ts ellis, iii. he's the one expressing some skepticism at the government's case early on. tell us about him and how we can expect this to proceed. i'll remember here with all of you that the president tweeted about him after that first decision was made, expressed some sympathy with some of the points the judge was making. >> that's right. and as danny was mentioning, there had been some skepticism from the judge about allowing some of this to move in this way. but the way we need to -- remember, this is -- there's twul two separate prosecutions going on of paul manafort. and this judge will only be overseeing one of them.
the other one taking place in the district of columbia, which we're not even expecting to start the proceedings there until after this trial in virginia wraps up. that one will look at other financial crimes that could have been involved. so manafort is going to be under quite a lot of scrutiny, all of this now finally starting to come out in the open in a way that the public can see much more than when this was the pretrial proceedings. >> we have this list of 35 witnesses, i keep hearing this referred to as a documents case. how unorthodox is it to get that list, when you look at that list, what does it tell you about the way the government is going to make its case? >> you have to understand something about this prosecution. everything about it evidences that the government just wants a win. it wants to be 1-0. and because of that, it's charging crimes that are easier for the government to prove. it's not charging tax evasion crimes. it's charging tax perjury. that's an easier crime for the government to make out. they don't need to show an intent to evade. they don't even need to show
that a tax is owed and due. all they need to show is that manafort made a false statement, and knew that his tax return was false when he signed it. of course, he's charged with money laundering and other crimes. but that shows me, along with the witness list and the evidence list and the list of exhibits, that the government is going to be very methodical, they're going to keep their eyes on the ball, and really make out their light burden on the tax perjury charges to get a win with its opening selvo, its first trial in this entire investigation. >> danny, great to speak with you. my thanks to josh leaderman, as well. president trump threatening to shut down the government over immigration reform, even as hundreds of migrant children remain separated from their families. when will those children be reunited? we're going to take a closer look at that issue later this hour.
financing. >> thank you very much. >> mr. president, are you worried about what michael cohen is going to say to prosecutors? are you worried about what is on the other tapes, mr. president? >> mr. president, is michael cohen telling the truth? is michael cohen telling the truth? >> just stick with us. don't believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news. >> my colleagues, including one jeff bennett, will likely continue to ask that question. we heard kristen welker yelling out as the president spoke on the south lawn. geoff bennett, to look at the week ahead for president trump, we were talking with chris dickey about this visit by the italian prime minister this week. that's how the week starts. what can we look for in that meeting, geoff, when they sit down tomorrow at the white house? >> it's really interesting, because president trump and the italian prime minister on the surface don't seem to have much in common. the italian prime minister is kind of a soft-spoken law professor. but what's interesting is that, you know, italy is really grappling with these anti establishment forces that want to close the door to immigrants
and draw closer to russia. so you see a parallel there. this bilateral meeting they're going to have will be followed by a joint press conference, we expect. so this could be the first time in at least, what, maybe three or four days or longer than that that the president might actually say on the record, apart from what he said on twitter, what he wants to say about michael cohen, if anything. that's, of course, if he calls on news organizations that are separate from the sort of friendly media outlets he sometimes elects to go to in these sort of situations. >> geoff, this weekend the president sat down with sean hannity on his radio show and talked about his strategy, his plans for campaigning, and we're going to see the president in campaigning mode this week, first on tuesday. i gather the president is headed down to florida. where is he going and what can we expect there. >> he told hannity he'll be on the trail six to seven times a week, putting a lot of miles on air force one, if that's the case. so he goes to tampa and later in the week he goes to wilkes-barre, pennsylvania. but what's interesting about tampa is that his chosen
gubernatorial candidate, a guy named ron desantis, he was down about four points back in december. now with the president really coming out in support of him, he's up 12 points as opposed to his republican challenger. so you can really see here how the republican party has really been cast as the party of donald trump. at least in florida. so the point here, though, is that the president is going to be on the trail, really trying to activate his base for the benefit of the republican party overall. because, again, he really wants to keep control of both chambers of congress. >> you mentioned that on thursday he's going to be in pennsylvania, in wilkes-barre. this has been referred to as biden country, steel country usa. the president has been hammering that point home as he talks about trade and the decisions he's made on tariffs. what does that visit say to you about his strategy about that economic message we began to see in finer focus on friday when he spoke on the south lawn of the white house? >> well, you know, and this backs up what people close to the president have told me, too. he believes the tariffs issue as
it relates to steel is a winner. whereas the tariffs issue as it relates to soybeans and the issues affecting trump states in the midwest, the big ag country, that it's not really a winner in that way. so, you know, when he goes to pennsylvania, expect to hear him make the argument you heard him make on the south lawn. that america, he says, is winning again. he has really reawakened the animal spirits of the u.s. economy. that's what we expect to hear from the president both in florida and pennsylvania. >> the week ahead with my colleague, geoff bennett, thank you very much. up next, follow the money, one of donald trump's oldest confidante's, the organization's cfo, subpoenaed by federal investigators. who is alan wisel berg, and what information could he offer about the president? rican red cross, and our nation's veterans. we knew helping our communities was important then. and we know it's even more important today. so we're stepping up to volunteer more
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>> so what are we going to do? >> yes. and it's all the stuff. all the stuff. because here you never know where that company -- you never know -- >> maybe he gets hit by a truck. >> correct. so i'm all over that. and that's both allen about it. when it comes time for the financing, which will be -- >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay -- >> with cash? >> no. no, no, no, no. >> the reporter who has been on this story involving payoffs and the president is michael rothfeld with the "wall street journal." allen weisselberg, the company handed oh every to trump's children and to him. what role does he play in the trump universe? >> he's basically the keeper of the books. he's someone who obviously is very trusted, if he is one of three people, including donald trump's sons, that, you know, were given control of the company. he worked with fred trump, donald's father, years ago, and basically has done donald's tax returns. so, you know, anyone who is
going to know about donald trump and money, it's allen weisselberg. >> you mentioned he's been subpoenaed here to testify before this grand jury. what do we know of their interest in him? obviously, from what you describe, he could possess a lot of information about any number of these stories that we're charting here, day in and day out. what do we know, though, specifically about their interest in him? >> wie don't know what they woud like to ask him or already asked him. it's possible he's already gone in and spoken to them. but you certainly could see them wanting to ask him about stormy daniels, because we know allen weisselberg arranged for reimbursement to michael cohen last year of $35,000 a month retainer. that was partially reimbursement for $130,000 he made to stormy damages, he's come up on the tape talking about you just bought rights to the playboy story. so what did donald trump know about those matters. did you discuss with him reimbursement to michael cohen. those kinds of things they would certainly want to know.
>> a ven diagram doesn't quite describe it, having one circle on top of another and looking at how they oversecretart. where is -- is he somebody who sits squarely in the traditional business part of this operation, this universe or somebody with a foot in each of the these other worlds? >> the latter. basically, the trump organization is a company but also a very informal structure, because it's like a family company. so allen weisselberg has authority to manage donald trump's personal money. he works with the kids and he also worked with a foundation, which was recently charged by the new york attorney general's office. his name came up with that in terms of questions over whether weisselberg helped disburse payments that were really campaign related for the foundation. and he's denied that. so he's essentially involved in everything. and so that's what makes him such a pivotal figure. >> he was referenced this that
tape we just listened to, michael cohen, invoking his name. when you look at the trump confidantes or advisers, how does he fit in? the president memobly in that interview with maggi haberman, about what the red line might be, crossing it to go into the family's finances. this is a guy, dare i say, probably more intimately than michael cohen, could know what those finances look like. and i think as you have reported, he did president trump's tax returns for many years. >> absolutely. i mean, what i suspect is that -- i mean, he's clearly very loyal. he's someone that donald trump trusts intimately. and the people who -- i mean, michael cohen being a recent contradiction to that. >> castoff. >> yes. generally, they stay loyal. and so i don't think we would say weisselberg would not tell the truth. but i think that what we would expect is that he would very much toe the line to what donald trump's story is. and his story is that michael cohen was a renegade.
he did kind of all of this stuff on his own. we have been told weisselberg didn't know what the reimbursements were for, because cohen was trusted to make payments for the trump family on various matters so he just arranged for that stuff with a minimal amount of documentation. so i don't know -- if i were trump, i wouldn't be so worried about weisselberg turning on him, generally. >> great to see you. thank you very much. michael rothfeld of the "wall street journal" joining me here in new york. over 600 migrant children are still in limbo, separated from their parents under president trump's zero tolerance policy, days after a court imposed deadline the u.s. government tore apart. the president tweeting today, he would shut down the government if lawmakers don't acede to his demands for more money to fortify the u.s./mexico border. on tuesday, pbs is going to air a new "front line" documentary about the administration's zero tolerance policy called "separated: children at the border." martin smith made the
documentary and joins me. let's start with the history, something you reveal in this piece there was a conversation happening publicly about whether this administration would implement this policy. and all the while it was being beta tested, to use a term -- they were trying it out here. it was being implemented before we even knew that it was. >> yeah, right after the election in march, then the department of homeland security chief goes on television and says that he's considering this policy of separating children from their families, as a deterrent to keep people from coming across. then a month later, he walked that back at a senate hearing. but then in the summer of 2017, over a year -- a year ago, they start rolling out a sort of a pilot program to do just that. and then by the fall of 2017, they're doing it. as a matter of practice. and it's not until may of 2018 that it's made explicit by the
attorney general, sessions, on a border visit to san diego. so it's been going on for some time. it gets a little bit of attention in the press. but it's really not until these last few months that it really garnered a lot of attention, and outrage from around the united states and around the world. >> martin, this is a comprehensive project. you go down to the border, you go to el salvador, you go to california, as well. and you sit down with the head of i.c.e. that's tom homans, and a pivotal moment in this story was the release of an audiotape by pro publica, a journalism website of a child crying. you sit down with i.c.e., and this is what happened. let's take a look at how that unfolds. >> when you heard the tape, the pro publica published of the children wailing, what was your reaction? >> i didn't hear the tape. >> oh, come on. >> i did not hear the tape. i did not hear the tape. >> i can't believe that. >> i've heard many children cry in my 34 years. i don't need to hear children cry. >> can i play it for you? >> yeah.
[ crying ] >> that's a young girl who asked to call her aunt. she wants to call her aunt, she has the number memorized. [ crying ] >> what happens next, martin, and what does it say about the tension you sort of see coming across in your conversations, yes with folks from the trump administration, folks who backed this policy, but also folks in the obama administration who were reckoning with an influx of young migrants just a couple years ago. >> that's right. well, i mean, he listens to that tape, and i sincerely now believe that he had not bothered to listen to it. i mean, i'm sure he was aware of it, it was in the headlines for days. but he looked shaken when he came back up from listening to that tape. but, you know, he's a law man, and he thinks of this in very black and white terms, and that is if there's a law that says you can't enter the united states, except at designated ports of entry, anybody entering anywhere else and applying for
asylum, which they have a right to do under u.s. and international law, any of those people, as far as he's concerned, need to be arrested, detained, separated from their children. he's a law man. he thinks in terms of black and white. and that's really the approach of the administration. to see this as an -- you know, a choice between open borders, which they accuse all democrats of supporting, which is an exaggeration, and this zero tolerance policy. in fact, there's a lot of other options in between that could create a humane process for granting people asylum. i mean, the government's own statistics show that the majority of these people coming across are fleeing violence in central america and have a right -- a legitimate right, a credible fear, as they say, of violence. ask therefore a right to asylum. >> one of the extraordinary services in this piece, i think,
martin, if i may be so bold as to suggest, we have heard from those who have come here to seek asylum. there have been a number of events where the president will speak alongside those who have children or relatives killed by immigrants. you hear from a lot of people in your piece who have made that journey, and it is a difficult journey to the united states. and they have come for dramatic and sobering reasons. a lot of them fear for their lives, and we use the phrase push factors, something we hear from folks who shape policy in washington, d.c. what did you learn about those push factors in putting this piece together, about what drives people to make journeys of many hundreds, if not thousands of miles through great difficulty to get here to the united states? >> yeah, i mean, i went down to salvador. i met with a man who had come up here with his 6-year-old daughter. he had been in a soccer match, a fight broke out over some kind of dirty play. that's normal enough. but what's not normal is that in a place like that, that ends up
with a death threat, because the guy he got in an argument with was the brother of a gang leader from the 18th street gang. and threatened him and his daughter. and he decided to make this very difficult journey. and, you know, you make that point. it's very valid. these people not only are fleeing violence, but they have to run a gauntlet. those from salvador cross guatemala into mexico. and once in mexico, it's -- there are many of them that don't make it. they're either deported by the mexican police, back to their home country, or some of them die on the way. there's a lot of human traffickers that are affiliated with drug cartels. it's a very dangerous journey. you have to really want and be driven to take that risk. >> i commend this documentary to everybody. airs this coming tuesday on pbs. the latest "front line" documentary. martin smith, thank you for the time.
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then candidate donald trump back in 2016. now fast forward to today, and the president is comparing the five-time super bowl champion to his son-in-law in a joke. the "new york times" reports president trump has joked several times, he could have had tom brady as a son-in-law, but instead the president said, according to five people who heard the zinger from the president, i got jared kushner. jared kushner and his wife, the president's daughter, are facing growing scrutiny. president trump's son-in-law has fallen out of favor with the president. the president telling aides, recently again, according to "the times", jared hasn't been so good for me. we have the host of entertainment weekly, and covered first family dynamics in the past. joins me now with her unique perspective on this. let's start with the joke. which is in many ways the headline for this piece. what do you make of it, topping this piece about the dynamic they've had with the president and his administration? >> donald trump has this weird,
obsessive bromance with tom brady. they have known each other since 2002 when tom brady was a judge at one of his pageants and remained friends ever since. they have golfed together, talked on the phone regularly. tom has said in interviews that the president has called him to wish him luck on a game or give him a pep talk during games. so they have a closeness that has existed for the better part of more than a decade. but it's clear if he had his choice, tom brady would be his son-in-law and not jared kushner. it also seems to suggest that tom brady and ivanka may have dated, with i is very interesting. because the idea that we know this much about ivanka's love life is truly problematic. i mean, earlier this year, quincy jones said in an article with "new york" magazine -- >> this is crazy, yeah. >> -- that he dated ivanka trump and tommy hilfiger set them up. so we idea that we know she dated quincy jones and tom brady is bizarre to me. given that we don't know
anything about what jared and ivanka do on a day-to-day basis in the white house. >> let's talk a bit about that. the president -- donald trump becomes the president and a lot of folks, i think it's fair to say, had some faith these two would be a moderating influence. i don't know on what that was based, perhaps the friends they kept here in new york. whatever. we haven't seen that play out. >> we haven't -- >> we don't really get the sense they have the ear of the president in a way they're able to convince him to do things he's hellbent on doing. >> no, that was conventional wisdom at the time. they haven't done anything to moderate his behavior or temper his behavior. in fact, they seem to have emboldened president trump, not in any way deemed -- have been effective in any way tempering his behavior. but i want to take issue with the fact that an article like this even exists, david. the fact that we're normalizing the fact that trump is running his office, running the presidency, like it's a mom and pop joint. this is not the family pizza parlor. this is not the family hardware store. this is america. making your daughter and
son-in-law the two most powerful people in your cabinet, that's the stuff of third-world dictatorships, not the stuff of first-world democracies. that is hugely problematic, and we should be up in arms about this. they should not be celebrated on the front page of the "new york times." >> i'm going to stroke my impish beard here and engage in media criticism. >> stroke that beard of yours. >> there is a line in this piece about how these two are notoriously media-shy. >> correct. >> and what you have here is an article that is many hundreds of words long. this is a big splash in the "new york times." >> at least 2,000 words. >> they didn't participate, but they suggested to these two reporters, maggi haberman, to katie rogers, they talked to, steven mnuchin. what does it say to you about their approach to their image, what they're hoping to get out of this, not to be too crass about it, what their sights are set on or what the future is? >> i think if you read this piece closely, it's setting them up to be public figures again. the piece points out they have retreated in recent months, because they have been under severe scrutiny.
but the piece fails to address the fact that jared and ivanka made $82 million last year, at least. $19 million from business ventures and $80 million in real estate alone. this piece does not mention that at all. they say, quote, they have been valuable and effective partners. what have they done? what projects have they worked on with steve mnuchin? we have absolutely no idea. the fact they have made this much money in 2017 alone, and we still don't know their relationship -- their day-to-day with the president and what exactly happens in the white house, what their job qualifications are. we have no idea what they're doing there. and we're just positioning this as if it's normal. it's not normal. it's the definition of abnormal. >> we'll leave it there. lola, thank you very much. >> stroking my impish chin. >> it's making a thing. >> it's making a thing. >> and we'll be right back.
how they will be making moves against the right wing representation there. good day. we're going to start with new reaction from omarosa about the explosive claims making where the president uses the n word. here is what he told my colleague in an exclusive interview on "meet the press." >> after i closed book, i had an opportunity to go out in los angeles and sit down with the person who actually has a copy of the tape. i heard his voice as clear as you i are sitting here. >> you have heard the tape? >> i have heard the tape. >> since publication of this book? >> yes. >> when he talks this way, it confirm he's truly a racist. >> omarosa talking about timing
then you can go on without any type of difficulty in the future relative to your reputation. it's very, very important, i think, you understand there's some serious legal issues that have been violated. as you're open to some legal action that we hope, i think, we can control right? so with that, if you would stay here with these general me, they'll lay this out. >> can i ask you a couple of questions? is the president aware of this? >> this is a nonnegotiable discussion. >> the reporting is that discussion happened in the situation room. here is what omarosa told chuck todd when he pressed her about making that recording. >> i protected myself fwhathis white house where everybody lies. the president lies.
sarah hauckabee lies. you'll see 17 knives in your books. >> if i didn't have this recording, people would still think that i was trying to set off alarms. yes, i had to protect myself and i have no regret about it. >> new reaction to the white house by the white house of allegations of the president's racial slurs. kelly, what can you tell us? >> reporter: the president has referred to his one time reality show cast mate and a person he helped make him a star. the now the president is referring to her as a low life in the reaction to the book. also the recording that you just played excerpts of and her device, sean spicer believes that recording of the clehief o staff and others is a national
notion she heard this type of the president using the n word made during the production of the apprentice. that interview challenged her about this and she said it's many my book. have you not read my book. today with chuck todd she said she heard the tape after the book had gone to her publisher. she makes a distinction here and this is a contradiction within a merit of days about a central theme in her book. was there audio evidence that the president used this slur and had she actually heard it. in the book she writes she was told about it from her sources associated with the apprentice production time years ago ashnd now she is saying she heard the tape. it's a credibility test for a number of people in this drama. richard. >> so well put there for us.
thanks for kicking us off again. thank you. credibility. what's your take away. as you know, omarosa really coming after the president saying he's mentally declined, her words. as well as saying he's racist among many things. >> i think, first of all, we don't need omarosa's book to decide whether he's racist. he's been in off for a couple of years and had a long campaign. he's said a lot of things that offended a lot of people. he called neo nazis fine people. i think the question brings up is about trump's credibility. there's nobody besides ivanka trump who has worked closely
with him. she had a top position. she was in the situation room. if she's a low life, if she's crazy, if she's unhinged why was she given such a high up position in the administration? >> how damaging is this for the white house and what do you expect to hear in the coming hours and days, if at all? >> we're already hearing from the white house. that's an indication that there's damage or at least concern about damage. the president is racing out to talk about it. so is one of his top spokeswomen. i think they are taking it seriously and they should. not because of the specific charges but something that goes deeper. this president came into office and put people into positions who should never have been in those positions. people who he had known through his business, his real tv background but whose
qualifications to fill top roles in government is dubious at best. it's blowing up on him now. we should be taking a serious look at john kelly here. the fact of the matter is that john kelly should be managing situations like this much better. if, in fact, people were sneaking tape recording devices into the situation room or other places in the white house and taping him when he's firing them, that's something -- that calls into question kelly's management of the white house at this point. >> laura bill ebuild on what jo saying. this has not been seen before. in the situation room, you have the chief of staff, a recording made and it appears that general kelly did not know that it was happening at that time. the legal ramifications, the security ramifications that might be discussed here. >> it's unbelievable that a woman was able to record her own
fire ing in the situation room. how did that happen? that's an incredible breach of security. i think this white house is bizarre. there's been nothing like it before. i know people from previous white houses have said we never had to sign non-disclosure agreements. what is that about? i think it's a huge red flag if you have a white house that is trying to silence employees. employees are getting fired left and right. they are foreign agents. they were lying. they come out and write horrible books about the president. whether the books are true or not. i think a lot of people who voted president trump into office knew he didn't have a ton of policy experience or knowledge but thought he was an excellent businessman and that he would have really good wisdom in terms of hiring people and who to surround himself with. that's what he's proven to be the absolute worst at. i wonder whether his supporter can continue to stand by him and root for him knowing what they hired him for, he hasn't been able to do. >> john, laura was really
inpointing that. what are the mechanisms the look at how this happened? >> i am sure they are rushing to figure out how this happened. this is a massive embarrassment. kelly is the guy who was brought in who was supposed to get things under control. he's@guy who was at homeland security. who has a long and distinguished military career. if there was anyone who should have been on top of situation like this, it's him. he wasn't. the fact of the matter is that if you except half of what omarosa says that the president isn't that good at what he's doing, he's bumbling, whatever. then you say who is there to kind of keep things functioning? it ought to be john kelly. now we have john kelly in middle
of a mess. with all due respect, no matter what your partisanship, ideology, this white house is not functioning well. what omarosa's book and these interviews reveal is that dysfunction. we ought to be focused mostly on that. what else she says about him, that will be debated a great deal in coming days and weeks. tapes and what tapes were heard and which were not. at the core of it is the revelation of dysfunction. >> thank you both. have a good sunday. today is the one year mark of the charlottesville rally that left one person dead. in one hour a white supremacist rally will be leheld in counter the timers as well. you were saying last hour the
energy was growing. there were many from different parties and different places. >> reporter: that's right. you mentioned this is the anniversary. one year ago today the mark in charlottes which i wiville that the murder of heather heyer. she is top of mind. you have communist calling for violent overthrow of the government. we have folks calling for the jet stream of trump-presence to go. you see the green flags of the antifa movement. here is another sign saying america was never great. a lot of this is sure to fuel people on the right who look down or disapprove of what they will see here. these folks are united.
they are united against the march. the unite right march which they regard as a white supremacist march. they want to avoid the confrontations last year. they think it's a loser for them. >> the counter protesters as well as the protesters today, tha thank you so much. jeff bennett is in foggy bottom where white supreissu supremacie marching. we expect these unite the right white nationalists protesters to arrive. their plan is to march from here over to the white house which is in the shadow of the white house. that's about a mile away. when they get off the train,
they will be greeted by a hundred or so chalk messages left by counter protesters. there's a message that says love, not hate. there's another quote over here from malcolm x. you see a message that says be nice. the world is cruel enough. they expect up to 400 demonstrators. compare that 400 number to the 2,000 counter protesters who are all around washington including where we saw. the primary goal is to keep the counter protesters and the protesters separate to prevent the violent, deadly melee we saw last year in charlottesville. >> we expect later onto see the prote protesters emerge. next, ocan she even do that?
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time. of course, that's entirely appropriate in a government employment situation. if you're someone who works for the president you are terminalable at will. if the president is no happy with your services you can be let go. >> joyce, he mentions serious legal issues. hard to know what he's talking about. what's your reaction to that? >> this is the most unusual part of this conversation. you're right. we don't know the details so i wouldn't want to get too far ahead of ourselves. if there's legal issues with someone in government then they need to be referred to the appropriate inspector general or to the justice department for prosecution. if there are criminal legal issues. if violation of security protocols. if there's simply human resources related policy violations then maybe it's just appropriate to let the person
go. typically most people understand when the time has come and they are asked to leave, it's time for them to go. >> is john kelly the one to make these decisions in terms of who should be handling these serious legal issues? >> this is a difficult question to answer. it depends on the nature of the issues but certainly kelly would know based on his career that if there was criminal type issues that they had to be referred. there's an obligation to refer those to an appropriate investigative body. they are up to him as chief of staff to determine an outcome for. >> folks would be asking why did she record that consideration. nbc chuck todd asked that question. this is what she said. >> chuck, if i did not have this recording people would still believe the false, incredible story that i was running around the white house.
the false story that was told by a reporter and repeated by this network and other reporters that i tried to charge the residents at the white house. it's a lie. if i didn't have this recording, people would still think i was trying to set off alarms. yes, i had to protect myself and i have no regret about it. >> joyce, you know there's two sides. one is she face legal jeopardy here and was her defense of doing that good enough? >> this is the most reducktive vision of a white house and presidency that one can imagine. it's demeaning to the office. the people inside the white house were in such a state they felt like had to to tape and counter tape themselves. i can't imagine it. the reality is there's security issues, national security consideration going on in the situation room and this area. this is not a place for personal
drama. this is a place where there's consequences to folks taking personal taping, personal listening devices into secured facilities where i never walked into a meeting in the situation room but just running into meetings in fbi or doj that occurred in secure facilities. you routinely drop your phone into a drop box outside of the room before you went in to prevent the possibility among other things that a hostile power could listen in on conversations that needed to remain private. she promised national security. obviously, this white house has a lot of issues but this compromised to best practices in this area is the serious one this needs to get a good hard look right now. >> very quickly, who is responsible here, fbi, secret service, doj? if there is some legal question here for omarosa. >> it just depends on what the precise issues. she almost certainly needs a
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roger stone's schedule. why the you think this is something that right now, at least, mueller has interest in? >> i think there's two reasons they are looking into roger. one is legitimate and hit's highly legitimate. that's to get to the bottom of what roger knew in terms of the e-mails. left a lot of crumbs out p publicly. i don't think he conspired against america. i think he conspired with himself. he left a lot of us with exposure. he sent an e-mail to me claiming he had dinner with julian assan assange. is this the role, at least what we're hearing from kristen davis that he was the keeper of the schedule of roger stone? >> i think that goes into the second they were looking into him. i was questioned by a very fine lawyer. i have to problem with him being on mueller's team. one of the first questions he asked me what who do you know
that roger has worked for for the entire time you've known him. what i've said is i think roger, the same way mueller looks at manafort as a critical piece, michael cohen as a critical peop piece. he's going to put a sexy charge on the top and final on the back of it. >> what's the financial? >> i don't know. >> andrew miller you said -- >> andrew did a lot of invoices. if i was paid by roger, i would send an invoice to andrew. he's basically an adoptive son to roger. roger placed him in products. >> he was the cfo or the accountant. >> he's a very young man and he's good at these organized, things like that.
>> defying subpoenas. you did at one point -- >> he has separate. >> you did agree to comply. what's your take of this strategy? >> this is a total distinction between what i did. i may have gone the course if i thought about it. he's gone to federal court about whether or not the special counsel office defies the aappointment very quickly. basically robert mueller had all this power, why didn't he face a confirmation? he reports to rosenstein, that's a nonsensical to me. >> meet the press and omarosa, also producing the conversation with general kelly. >> i think general kelly should have handled that termination much better than he did. i think the threat of legal
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sonch so many of them have huge bills. >> that's the voice of the mother of the heather heyer. heather was killed one year ago in charlottesville. she's at the makeshift memorial for her daughter. the grave sight of heather heyer remains confidential for now. she was there hugging other supporters of her and her family. joining me now from charlottesville, you're listening to what i was saying there about susan being there. it's obviously a tough day for her. andrea, it's a tough day for many people there if charlottesville. what is it like? what has changed in the last year? >> well, charlottesville is quite different many the last year. i think one of the most
important things is that we have been able to clearly understand that charlottesville is not place where there's a platform for facism, nazism. that's the idea of white supremacy needs to be called out. the more conversations that we all have and over the course of the last year the heritage center has been the sight of many of those conversations, that the community needs to be educated about what exactly does it mean to talk supremacy and how dud oes it ex in our contemporary lives. whether it's a conversation about housing or severe policing of african-american people. whether it's a conversation about the criminalizing of activists who over the course of the year through one court case or another have been placed in
the position where fighting white supremacy has been determined to be a crime. i think those are some of the really important changes in charlottesville. >> the issue about race and what the president has said so far, i want to share with you some of the president's comments about that very topic of over the past year. >> i think there's blame. i think there's blame on both sides. you look at both sides, i think there's blame on both sides. i have no doubt about it. you don't have any doubt about it either. >> only the nazis -- >> if you reported it accurately, you would say. >> then saturday morning you may have seen this tweet. this is what the president said. the riots in charlottesville a year ago resulted in senseless death and division. we must come together as a nation. i condemn all types of racism and acts of violence. peace to all americans. how do you put those two times
in the ark of recent history? >> i would even go further back through his campaign where he was calling for people to be removed from auditory yuiums wh he need to return to a time of before. one would ask what was he referring to? the time when white people were physically violent towards black people. i think his desire to set himself up as a champion for african-americans is, i don't want to go as far as say laughable but it's suspect. one of the most shocking things that occurred last year was his statement about the -- there were bad people on both sides. there's no equation there where there's any kind of equality between two sides in that way. if you think about the history of america and the ways in which violence has been used and the
kind of racial terrorism that's predominated the history of america, charlottesville, what happened last year was just another example of that. >> spike lee folk with reverend al sharpton today and elijah cummings was a talking about it. >> he's not said anything about the one year anniversary. he's not said anything about heather heyer who lost her life. it's another example of who this guy is. it's not even for debate anymore. we know who this guy is. >> when people go around asking is somebody a racist, you know what happens? once i say that and if i were to say that, that would be the headline. nobody would ever get the message. the message i want to get through is this president has consistly tried to distract us
from the things that we've been fighting for. distract us from the great country that we are. distract us from being the moral authority of this world. >> 15 seconds here, andrea. how would you explain what was just said to those who come to your center? >> what i would say is i who wholeheartedly agree with it. when we are refusing to name truth and when we refuse to claim truth and when we are willing to bend truth to our own sort of political and social needs then it becomes really difficult for people without evidence to understand what the full course and the full ark of american history is. t to a president who refuses to acknowledge the violence and for him to come out this weekend and say thing, he had nothing to say
in berkeley. he had nothing to say in what happened at portland. we can't expect much from him from his tweets this morning or when they were given to find credibility in his assertions. >> andrea douglas, thank you. i hope you have a very peaceful day in charlottesville. >> thank you. appreciate it. tonight, msnbc shares the story of a former white supremacist who has dedicated his life to reforming others now. we invite you to breaking hate at 9:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. for you next, how hindsight has helped omarosa see the light about the president. rudy giuliani talks about the end date to have the russia pro probe. he claims robert mueller said it. about people. people who rely on us every day to deliver their dreams
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he's truly a racist. >> all right. omarosa manigault newman, former assistant to president trump saying she heard the president saying the "n" word after the about publication of her book. part of the exclusive from "meet the press" today with chuck todd. let's bring in the former director of the state democratic party. republican strategist lauren celt, and joel payne, former senate leadership aide. joel, your reaction to what we have seen today. we have a lot of headlines and data coming out of omarosa manigault newman. >> this makes my blood boil and basel can identify with this. i'm a former senate staffer, senate leadership staffer. there's a high hill for folks like us to climb. there's a lot to prove. so to have someone like omarosa on tv degrading and minimizing the experience of african-americans in government and telling that story and
having that be the narrative that's out there when you have people -- people on your airwaves all the time by the way, like heather mcghee, angela rye, people who have fought and scraped for credibility, to have omarosa be the face of that is infuriating to me. >> basil? >> i agree with that. i have been in politics for 20 years. the subterfuge in taping my bosses, that wouldn't have occurred to me. i wouldn't work in this business again and be taken seriously. it does bother me number one, that she would do this and use it as an attempt to get back in the good graces of those who have been in the fight for a long time. suppose we hear that the president used the "n" word it's not a surprise to me or other people out there. will she be an ally in fighting for justice, will she bring republicans for example in
congress or elsewhere to try to push back against the policies that come from this president who's used this language to define us? i don't know that that's going to happen. but you know if it sells books i guess that what she's in this for. >> it appears that "the apprentice" is no longer "the apprentice." >> right. i appreciate basil and joel's perspectives on this. thank you for that, guys. i'm a former senate staffer and a former campaign staffer and it's never occurred to me either to record any of my conversations with my bosses. ic what you're seeing is -- i think what you're seeing is a reality star behaving like a reality star. let's not forget she has been on "celebrity big brother" following her tenure in the white house. this entire campaign, her book rollout or whatever, she's doing what she can to be famous. i don't think anyone should take
it seriously. she's doing what she can to sell books and that's really it. >> i guess not recording in confidential spaces in the white house is so 2017. >> i guess so. honestly, i think we should not be talking about omarosa. because this is exactly what she wants in order to sell books. and if the question at hand is what -- how the president addresses race, then i think we already had all of the answers to that based on his actions, based on his words. based on the policies that his administration has put into play. so, you know, like basel said earlier, we don't need a tape or a book to shine any new light on what the administration is doing. that's what we should be focusing on is the damage that's been caused rather than omarosa and her, you know, kind of her self-serving needs right now. >> so we have about a minute left. very quickly, joel, what should happen next? >> what should happen is what
she said. omarosa needs this oxygen to sell her book. i'm not buying or reading this book. after this conversation i frankly don't plan on having many more about it. let's talk about something that happens like the 500 plus children orphaned by this government or the white nationalists emboldened by the president. >> 15 seconds. >> i agree. i focus specifically on what's happening in washington today and in charlottesville. we have got to bring people back together and not be divisive. >> lauren? >> i agree with the rest of the panel. time to move on from this and really discuss the issues that matter. >> and to you, you have 30 seconds because lauren is so fast. >> all right. i would say finally, you know what we need to do is we need to address the root of the problem and we need to find out why it is that people are choosing to judge each other. to persecute each other. to dehumanize others and the manipulative tactics that are used to have people blame it on
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