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>> if this child now, if its born, will suffer from horrendous financial -- medical condition, which the texas state has no interest in taking care of, because texas is a low tax state, low service state. all they care about is forcing women to deliver babies that they dont want, but they have no interest in taking care of those children once they are born. thats a relevant factor. >> thats because theyre also a low legislative iq state. >> he always goes so far. >> mark, theres a hearing on fri...

Ambiguous as to whether or not this is what the hospital should do in this case. we have to think about this philosophically. when you grow -- when youre growing a fetus, whenever you consider it to become a baby, in a dead body, it is a very strange thing for anyone to be -- >> one at a time. >> i think the facts do matter here, and the fetus does matter, because lets think of the facts were different. lets think if this was a fetus that was normal, where the father wanted to see it born, where...

>> its not unclear. im not taking a side on this, but if you read the actual wording in the law, it says taking away life support that would then cause the death of the patient. shes already dead. >> isnt the baby the patient, as well? >> so youre saying the fetus is the patient? >> its very possible. thats why the law is murky. and you shouldnt be taking mark gerag geragos side here. >> im not. >> if this child now, if its born, will suffer from horrendous financial -- medical condition, which ...

Here, and the fetus does matter, because lets think of the facts were different. lets think if this was a fetus that was normal, where the father wanted to see it born, where the family wanted to see it born and was close to being viable, would we be in agreement of keeping that baby alive? >> of course we would be. >> this occurred at 14 weeks. >> i get the sense that the spirit of the statute was that -- >> let me give you the alternative -- >> this is a horrible case. >> at 14 weeks, had she ...