president given the other crime challenges in new york. talk to us about how mike pence and a half gates these many trump investigations while keeping a potential 2024 run in mind. i think he s in it a politically perilous position anyway. he s been in that because republican base voters do not trust mike pence. they do not think he was full throated in support of donald trump. they do not think he s aligned with where they are which is why in every poll after poll after poll he s at 6% or 7% among republican primary voters. i want to take up just where something miss loria ended on this which is mike pence if he looked at his political career and would say, okay, let me put that aside, which is i in my view has been put aside by the voters. put that aside and do what is right. i think too often in this debate and this day-to-day thing about donald trump what we get into is
legislature from having to talk about their official duties with the executive branch. he was the president of the senate that day. and so he was on january 6. so he said he can t speak about that. it s an open question whether he ll be able to speak about the preparations for his role. it was a whole other category of stuff wrote about in the book. he said shortly after the election, look, if you lose these legal appeals, you should concede and run again in 2024. and the president s response is, well, that s a long way off. and all that kind of testimony could speak to motive which is probably crucial in this case. whether the former president knew that he had lost the election when he was taking these actions to prevent the transfer of power. yeah. i want to hone in on that for a moment. there is something else that you
trump has been pushing back about this. he went on truth social after kevin mccarthy made a statement and said he disagreed with what kevin mccarthy said. it is speaking out of term with the larger maga movement. i think that is why ended up getting this meeting. nicky is the mother of ashley babbot and she s been a force to be reckoned with the republican caucus. i run into her frequently around the courthouse. way she was also arrested on the two year anniversary of her daughter s death after she disobeyed an order to get out of the street. she pursued that charge against her. it is one of those media grabbing moments. then you had a lot of media coverage around her arrest even though the video plainly showed