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Thats a little bit different from, you know, having something thats actually binding is a little bit different from having a way to express yourself in saying we want to have some conversation about the framework and the details as they get filled in. i think thats where you see some democrats who want to be part of the debate and the sort of reactionary language that you sometimes see on the right that i think is going to alienate a lot of these democrats. >> but john doesnt that -- if those de...