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These illegal immigrants who find safe haven in these cities because weve allowed this to go on for so long and then we dont enforce the law and we create this problem. i dont think we should have a deportation force. >> people are undocumented immigrants. >> the government term is ail yen. >> i worked at i.n.s., back when it was i.n.s. during the clinton administration. this has been an issue that has been existing since the 1980s lets look at the history and the reality of it. its not a legal ...

Resigned. you dont have politicians pick and choose which laws theyre going toen force. this was the core issue of the trump campaign was build the wall. this isnt about families. theyre not even supposed to be here. they dont pay taxes. they clog the schools. >> they do pay taxes, sir. >> let him finish. >> it is absolutely and as far as de blasio, look at the conditions in new york city. theyre going to have to epiforce the law. you dont pick which laws youre going to enforce. you go back to t...

And they feel as though they want the united states to be welcoming and i understand that. >> i feel a but coming on. >> yes, theres but here. i worked in illegal immigration on capitol hill for seven year for a southern california congressman and i really got to see the devastating effects now. we need to talk about illegal immigration. and the devastating effects its had, particularly in california, you know you had the los angeles mayor, and reminds me of jamiel shaw, a case when i worked in ...

Handcuffed and cant do their job s because i have places lik los angeles and others who openly will not cooperate with federal law enforcement officers in order to enforce the law. the obama administration got rid of the 287 g program which basically helped to train -- >> because it wasnt working. >> thats not true it. local la enforcement officers to find out if someone is detained if theyre illegal or not. they got rid of that because the obama administration did not want people deported. >> i...

Election. >> johns trying to pretend that immigration and this issue of quote/unquote sanctuary cities is simple. i think completely -- >> it is simple. >> -- be tratrays issue this pe. >> let her respond. >> this is an issue that is so incredibly complicated, multilayered. theres reason why we have not been able to get to -- >> i can hear the violins from here. >> -- continue to hear violation reform, when you have bipartisan people who have been working on this for years and there are certain ...

All right. back with my panel. angela, i think you were making a point on the trust between communities and police? >> i was making a point about the difference between federal, state, and local law and i think that what i found often throughout this election cycle and now on the other side of it, is people dont understand how that works. there is a difference in obligation between what a state and local law enforcement officer is supposed to do versus what the feds do, and i think that that is ...