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>> brian, i know you want to get some more tv time. thats not what this is about. >> i want you to answer the question, sarah. honestly, answer the question, its a serious question. these people have nothing. they come to the border with nothing, and you -- youre a parent. youre a parent of young children. dont you have any empathy for what they go through? >> jill, go ahead. >> i understood your point, but why did you bring up kids? you dont want to make it personal. go on. >> she did it. shes ...

Down a cds report, which she didnt put down. she didnt deny she was leave bug she deflected. she opened that door, and the point of it is when she comes out and says that she is a parent and she cares and shes caring, she opens the door for that question. youre right. its not a question that would come otherwise. but in this particular white house, i really want to know where the moral center is for the government that we elected to run this country. >> okay. >> and, don, to be honest with you, ...

Maliki at this point that could prevent him from becoming what you are making the argument that hes becoming, which is sort of a low-grade strong man. >> no, there isnt. one of the things thats a big concern is there is no interior minister. there is no defense minister controlling the army. there is no national security officer. maliki right now is all of those things. so the kind of jobs that might create someone who would have the public standing to run against him, hes running it all. >> you...