the united states the harold of hope. yet you said in 63 and 64 there were signs of decay on the horizon. what were the woarning signs? this was before the municipal corruption. this went back to the 50s with the district leaving detroit and the difficulties of urban renew. nobody can see it then. well, wade state university sociologist saw it and they had a half million people every decade from then on. so talk about that time. talk about 1963. it was magical. there had been a little bit of a dip before that.