the united states the harold of hope. yet you said in 63 and 64 there were signs of decay on the horizon. what were the woarning signs? >> this was before the municipal corruption. this went back to the 50s with the district leaving detroit and the difficulties of urban renew. >> nobody can see it then. >> well, wade state university sociologist saw it and they had a half million people every decade from then on. >> so talk about that time. talk about 1963. >> it was magical. there had been a little bit of a dip before that.