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between the president and the vice president, is that correct? >> yes. >> when i entered the office the second time he was on the telephone with who i later out to found out to be the vice president. >> could you hear the vice president or only hear the presidents end? >> only hear the presidents end. at some point it started off as a calmer tone and became heated. >> the conversation was pretty heated. >> did you hear any part of the phone call even just the end that the president was...

Eastman pleaded the fifth more than 100 times in his deposition. is that a tell to you? thats for you ben. >> yeah it is a tell that he took the fifth so many times. donald trump, infamously said himself that only the mob takes the fifth amendment. it is a tell. i think john eastman, especially after the fact, realized how much trouble he was in for propounding these theories. >> we just in the last conversation we talked about this, many people in trumps circle told him time and time again that...