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Operator: Good afternoon, and welcome to Arthur J. Gallagher & Companies Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. Participants have been placed on a listen-only mode.

Other than you? look, im all for immigration reform. im also for civility. to have civility requires negotiation. you can do the wall, the dreamers, but you need compromise to do it. francisco is right that to the extent that there is no -- nothing going on in congress, but really your point is exactly right, pete. if i.c.e -- >> cisco, you got to give people a break. >> well get back to you. let doug speak. >> i.c.e. becomes the proxy for immigration. a, the democrats hurt themselves. b, theres...