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It just seemed a it will petulant. >> what about friends in hot places? and im thinking about, say, egypt. >> yeah. >> we cant go ahead and penalize them. that relationship is, has been, and should be, kind of vital to us. >> absolutely. its -- the money that we give to, lets say egypt, jordan, afghanistan, i mean, these are places that we have a tremendous responsibility. we cant pull away. i mean, that -- that would be -- also be not in our interest in any way. and by the way, it alien nates a...

>> yeah. >> we cant go ahead and penalize them. that relationship is, has been, and should be, kind of vital to us. >> absolutely. its -- the money that we give to, lets say egypt, jordan, afghanistan, i mean, these are places that we have a tremendous responsibility. we cant pull away. i mean, that -- that would be -- also be not in our interest in any way. by the way, it also alienates all the sunni nations that we have relationships with that supposedly donald trump wants to make the ultimate...

>> its this kind of tony soprano-ish approach to the u.n. that the money we give is the kind of extortion money and we can get people to do what we want them to do. i mean, its just a misunderstanding of the international system. it makes me sad, and obviously, makes other people sad, is that, were the architect of that system. we put that system in place with the u.n. here after world war ii, it prevented a world war, i mean, were not giving money because we want them to vote with us, were givi...

Egypt. >> yeah. >> we cant go ahead and penalize them. that relationship is, has been, and should be, kind of vital to us. >> absolutely. its -- the money that we give to, lets say egypt, jordan, afghanistan, i mean, these are places that we have a tremendous responsibility. we cant pull away. i mean, that -- that would be -- also be not in our interest in any way. and by the way, it alien nates all the sunni nations that we have relationships with that supposedly donald trump wants to make the ...

>> -- to ask you foreign policy questions, of course. if you look around the world right now, hostilities are ratcheting up in a number of different theaters. iran, syria is a mess. theres practically a popup al qaeda shop in mali now. im wondering how different, maybe its not very different at all, how different the world is now than the one you left in 2001 as secretary of defense? >> well, its become more complicated to be sure. the world is more turbulent than it has been. i think also with ...

This administration on business leaders to help out with some of these countries, egypt and tunisia in particular to help them with economic programs and job programs, et cetera. you have think tanks, of course, those talking heads that we talk to. but they often know quite a lot. then you have nongovernmental organizations. they are important, too, because many of them deal with the type -- we call it civil society, helping people learn how to vote, to hold elections properly and all of that, r...