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Going to call for changes. >> jesalyn, you were in the video, you met edward snowden in moscow and have been involved with other whistle blowers. do you think theres a distinction in how we think about this activity, domestic surveillance and international? what is the whistleblower rationale for letting a foreign government know that the u.s. is spying on them? >> because the u.s. is violating, nsa is violating not only domestic laws like the patriot act, but also foreign domestic laws like the...

Device, i think he would take um bridge of that. i think these leaks are obviously these disclosures are incredibly important. were having not only a domestic conversation, but a worldwide conversation in the european parliament just -- >> right. yeah, theres going to be some international action and one of the complaints from the french is that we are spying on french citizens and this seems a crucial distinction. its different if we are listening in on the armed forces or intelligence apparatu...

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