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That the u.s. wasnt serious about saying no that we wont get planes. we believe that this will be considered -- >> you know -- sorry, we will be speaking to lieutenant carl we in a minute, but he said something the other day, things without were unthinkable two weeks ago, will be real today. things that are unthinkable now will be real in two weeks. so what kind of creative thinking can you suggest to the west, to nato, to the united states to say, look, if you dont want to get into a direct fig...