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Veterans, he outlined the steps they made to bring that down to 24% over the past three years. that gives indication of some problem that he was able to help fix. certainly secretary shinseki has a plan that hes begun to lay out for trying to turn this around. the question is going to be whether the president wants to stick with him during this time and replace it later or replace him right now. >> we may find out soon. theyre meeting at 10:15 eastern time, just under an hour from now. i want to...