january 6th and the mar-a-lago cases. just days after the former president announced a run for reelection. joining me now, former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor joyce vance. he s a co-house of hashtag sisters in law podcast. and a professor of the alabama law school. max dowd, founder of country over party. chief strategist of the 2004 bush presidential campaign. it is good seeing you both. joyce, i want to start with you. what will the special counsel need for the timing of a potential trump indictment? so, i think a lot of people are flashing back to the mueller investigation. wondering how this compares to that. mueller really set the standard for setting a fast pace as a special counsel. instead of dragging on for years, he was very disciplined about the work he did. you may not like the outcome. fortunately, the special counsel won t operate under those a same legal constraints. he doesn t have to worry about the doj policy that prohibits indictment of a special
until we as a society confronted these leaders who only want to hold power and are unwilling to hold anyone to any sort of ethical or legal standard, this is going to keep getting worse. that s why i m happy about this special counsel. maybe finally donald trump will be held accountable for something in his life. this is why there is so much forever around this, the possibility there will be legal accountability. the governor of georgia just spoke to the grand jury investigating trump. an ex adviser mike flynn is going to be next. what happens, joyce, if trump were to be charged at the state level first? well, we know, we say the word unprecedented a lot of these days. having a prosecutor in a georgia county try to stand and for the justice department and hold the former president accountable will be difficult and challenging for her to have
we want to live. and that has made really, really hard when all you do is pump misinformation and violent rhetoric about us into the atmosphere. reducing us to some ideology or shadowy isms, stripping us of our humanity. ultimately emboldening people who would carry out acts of violence against us. as you know, you and i have had the conversation went to many times, there are two conversations that happen in tandem following an act of violence like. this there s a conversation about accountability that happens both at the macro and micro level, there is a conversation about healing. we ve talked in some detail about accountability. the question of healing, i mean, what does it take for our community to come together. you heard a lot of language coming out of colorado springs about love in the face of hate. this is a community that has a lot of rebuilding ahead of them. absolutely, the healing is the hardest part. i will say, love in the face of hate is the message. and that has lon
experience meant and felt like in this moment for this community. take a listen. it s not an easy day. it s a lot to wake up to as a transgender person. it is a hard city to live in. waking up to something this in your face is a reminder of the hate that we live within the city every day. the love that we need to fight with. we can fight hate with hate. returning to bring love here today. you heard it there. this was supposed to be a day of honoring and remembering trans people who are impacted by violence. we saw more violence unfolding against this community in the lgbtq plus community. a place that many people say it was sacred. making it all the more painful. horrific, and s priscilla thompson in colorado springs.
threatened by hatred, by discrimination, by bigotry, ultimately, violence every single time we are out the door, safe spaces like a cue and pulse are the places we carve out for one another. they are refugees. paul s was one of the first places i ever held hands with some of that looking over my shoulder first. possible in the first places i ever wore a pair of super skinny jeans without being afraid of what someone would call me. paul s and club q and spaces like that are designed to give people refuge, to give them safety, to allow people to be exactly who they are. to affirm, them to celebrate them, they are a place where lgbtq people can exhale and when a lot of them is invaded light, that it feels like all of them are invaded. that s why paul s has resonated with lgbtq people across the world over the last six and a half years. it s like club q will not be soon forgotten in our community. president biden released the statement reading, quote, well no motive in this attack is yet