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let's eignite the fight over statues. you know everything. >> read the book. bobby ken by. that's it for our broadcast. brian williams and everyone here will be back. thank you from all much us. good night. tonight on "all in." >> this morning the president launched into a argument with chuck schumer. >> in the wake of an atrocity. >> why was he so quick to go the political route and point fingers at chuck schumer? >> president trump attacks democrats and the american justice system. >> what we have right now is a joke. and it's a laughing stock. >> tonight, how the trump response changes depending on the attacker. >> i don't want to go quicker and just make a statement for the sake of making a political statement. >> then, new reporting that a panicked president is blaming his son-in-law. >> come here, jared. >> new questions about what jeff sessions knew about russian collusion. >> i'm not aware that anyone else did. >> what the president knew about it?
>> nobody that i knew of. >> and what robert mueller will find in the president's taxes. >> i have no deals with russia. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. one month ago tonight, a white american man with more than 20 guns shot almost 600 people at a concert in las vegas, killing 58 of them and then himself. it was the worst mass shooting in modern american history and the single deadliest attack on american soil since 9/11. at the time, the white house scolded anyone suggesting maybe something could be done about guns in this country, the weapons he used to carry that out, accusing them of politicizing a tragedy and getting ahead of the facts. it just wasn't the time for that. needless to say, a month later the president still has yet to offer a single policy solution. today, though, just about 18 hours after a terrorist attack here in new york city in which an uzbek national in a pickup truck mowed down cyclists and pedestrians in a bike path
leaving eight dead, the president was blaming the u.s. senator from new york. he also tweeted about isis and his so-called extreme investigating program. he blamed the attack on the american immigration system and then the entire justice system of the united states of america. it's part of a long-standing pattern of amplifying and weaponizing acts of violence committed by muslims, while other kinds of violence, especially by white nonmuslims are held at arm's length. the president of the united states has access to the best information from law enforcement on their ongoing investigation, far beyond what's available to the public, but instead he's getting his updates from "fox & friends." parroting an unconfirmed report the green card holder entered under a program allegedly pushed by democrats. >> we are here, brian, precisely because of the neglect, political neglect of the last administration. senator chuck schumer importing -- helping import europe's problems. we don't want that. >> that was this morning.
minutes later, the president tweeted chuck schumer helping to import europe's problems, said colonel tony shaffer. we will stop this craziness. @foxandfriends. the president gets his news from fox news. the rest of us get it from law enforcement. the attacker had been planning the attack for weeks. he was charged in federal court today with giving material support to isis. also today, authorities released the identities of all eight victims who died in that attack who ranged in age from 23 to 48 years old. five were from argentina, one from belgium. the other two were locals from new york and new jersey. the argentinians were part of a group celebrating the 30th anniversary of their high school graduation, seen here enjoying the bike path in the moments before they were mowed down. at a cabinet meeting today after offering a brief tribute to those victims, the president pivoted to pushing his long-standing immigration goals.
>> we should note that the man responsible for that bombing in chelsea in lower manhattan last year was just convicted in federal court two weeks ago using the normal constitutional use of criminal procedure. he was prosecuted by the same office that just charged saipov for yesterday's attack. a year ago while the manhunt for the chelsea bomber was still under way, then candidate trump seized the moment to tweet about refugees. he had a similar reaction this past september calling out police in the midst of their investigation. another attack in london by a loser terrorist. these are sick and demented people in the sight of scotland yard. must be proactive. there was his unforgettable response to the pulse nightclub massacre, which was until las vegas, the deadliest mass shooting in modern u.s. history. appreciate the congrats for being right on radical islamic terrorism. i don't want congrats. i want toughness and vigilance. we must be smart. of course it was just five days after the 2015 attack at san bernardino that the man who is now president called to ban an
talk about gun policy. but here he can go off half cocked and talk about immigration policy when it probably has nothing to do with immigration. he just use the culture wars and any excuse he gets to rally his base. one of the things, if you were talking intelligently, you would ask him why he recommended greatly cutting down the counterterrorism budget, counterterrorism funds in his budget. now, the fact is that saipov immigrated to this country seven years ago. he was vetted by all accounts, there was nothing particularly dangerous about him. now he probably, in recent years, got radicalized by social media while he was here, as we've seen in other cases. immigration has nothing to do with that, but it's a good talking point for the president.
>> do you -- what do you want to say to the president if he were to call you after this? it took him a while to call the mayor, it took him a while to call the governor. has he reached out to you? >> no, he has not reached out to me and i don't expect him to. >> what would you say to him if he said congressman, i want to send my condolences, what would you tell him. >> i'd say thank you for your condolences and the best thing you can do is stop talking about irrelevancies. instead, restore the counterterrorism funds so the new york city police and the fbi can do their jobs more effectively. don't cut down the counterterrorism funds while you're talking about terror. i'd also say don't demagogue about the criminal justice system. the fact of the matter is he was, as you pointed out, the chelsea bomber is already convicted. a regular court in new york, a federal court will mete very harsh justice to someone who does this. >> i want to play for you,
because it's not just the president sort of considered guantanamo, there are other republicans considered anti-trump like john mccain and lindsey graham who are also calling for this person to not go through the normal constitutional and criminal procedures as he has been charged today. >> i don't -- i don't understand why some of our republican colleagues do not trust the american justice system. it has been a very good and effective system. it has tried people fairly and rapidly and given them the sentences they deserve. by contrast, khalid sheikh mohammed who was involved in the 9/11 attack is still awaiting trial by military commission in guantanamo. if you want a 20-year delay, send someone to guantanamo. if you want effective and swift justice, federal courts and state courts in new york can handle that very well. >> i should note that the guantanamo system is such a mess that today a judge ordered a marine general acting as a defense attorney in guantanamo to serve a 21-day sentence because things are blowing up
>> sebrina, you can tell the folks in there in the white house -- let me ask you this. as someone who is in the white house, is the difference between how he reacts to different events, different atrocities, apparent and palpable in that white house? >> oh, absolutely. and i think you have seen this time and again where any time the suspect is someone is a brown-skinned individual or has a muslim name, the president is quick to react and call for sweeping policies, whether it's his travel ban or more coded language referring to extreme investigate. if it's a white male born and raised in the u.s. who is the perpetrator of a mass shooting, it's too soon to politicize the event or to call for any sort of policy response. i think, look, what we know is that this is a president who is trying to meet a few key goals with respect to immigration.
and really it's to slash legal immigration as well as to try to limit immigration from muslim majority countries. so he thinks that this somehow reaffirms that objective, when in fact none of what he has proposed would have prevented this incident from taking place because uzbekistan was not on any of the travel ban iterations that he put forward. this is someone who came in through this lottery program seven years ago, and so he only recently may have been radicalized and that would not have come up when he was being considered for that program. >> we should also note what's called the diversity lottery is a vestige of a law signed by george w. bush which was proposed to be scrapped by the folks that tried to the gang of eight bill signed. if immigration reform had been signed, which was spearheaded by chuck schumer himself, it would not exist anymore. the thing -- you said something, rick, that struck with me. we've seen the politics of
terror work on behalf of republicans before, definitely worked for george w. bush. and part of it is because it allowed people that weren't in the political collision, they felt scared and that fear could be marshalled and used to expand the political coalition. what strikes me is the way he handles this isn't pitched to anyone who isn't already in the political coalition. >> right, no. this is a guy who cannot -- who cannot operate outside of the cheer section that exists for him. it's the comment section of various, you know, kook right websites that he looks to and it's the fox & friends, you know, they're feeding him a steady drip every morning of adoration and approval. and so, you know, he can't -- he can't bring himself to understand anyone outside of the coalition that supports him. and anyone outside in the vast majority of americans who look at an event like yesterday and recoil at how horrifying it is and want to come to solutions
and want to praise new yorkers for being resilient. look, i worked for rudy giuliani in new york, and so i understand the sort of reflex action by people in the city of new york. they look at things like this and they shake it off and push it in the background and get on with their lives, it's what they do. and donald trump taking this guy, as tragic and horrible as this is, and trying to get back and use this as a way to undo his multiple failings on this immigration ban, you know, it speaks very much to the fact that he doesn't have anything outside his base. there is no there, there beyond the folks that wake up in the morning and believe that fox news -- fox & friends is the word from the prophet on the mountain. >> and it's not just that, sabrina, what i found unnerving this morning, the president
seemed to be getting his information from fox news. it's not just that he is speaking to those people, it goes two ways. it really seems like he wants to know what happened in lower manhattan yesterday, he's clicking on fox & friends and that's the source of the information of the president of the united states. >> certainly it was fox & friends that was the source apparently of this information and even if you say that he's the president, he has access to classified material, he is then choosing, as we have seen before, to disseminate this on twitter, without much thought for the ramifications or the fact that u.s. authorities haven't actually weighed in. just one quick thing rick hit upon the fact that this is really about triggering pressure points within his base. and i think that even the fact that he would mention the prospect of sending this individual to guantanamo, that's rooted in him knowing that that is really something that in the eyes of the base projects this aura of toughness, when if you're just looking at it from a substantive standpoint, some of the conspirators for 9/11 haven't even received a start date for their trial. so you have federal courts that
by contrast have convicted and sentenced well over a dozen terrorists at the same time. so that is a key point also worth mentioning. >> sabrina and rick, thank you. >> thanks, chris. as the mueller investigation goes inside the west wing, trump is attacking jared kushner? plus, new questions about what jeff sessions really knew when he testified under oath. that's in two minutes.
attorney general jeff sessions. he was, of course, present at a march 2016 meeting with campaign aide george papadopoulos, who has since pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi about his contact with kremlin proxies. and that was the meeting when papadopoulos said he proposed arranging a meeting between trump and russian president vladimir putin. according to a former campaign aide who spoke to "the new york times," mr. sessions, as the campaign's top national security official, spoke vehemently against the idea asking others not to discuss it again, which may or may not be true, but it's hard to think that he forgot about that whole thing when he repeatedly denied any knowledge of any possible campaign communications with russia. >> senator franken, i'm not aware of any of those activities. i have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and i did not have communications with the russians. and i'm unable to comment on it.
>> further, i have no knowledge of any such conversations by anyone connected to the trump campaign. >> you don't believe that surrogates from the trump campaign had communications with the russians? is that what you're saying? >> i did not and i'm not aware of anyone else that did. and i don't believe it happened. >> and you don't believe it now? >> i don't believe it happened. >> congressman eric swalwell is a member of the house intelligence committee. he joins me now. the attorney general said i'm not aware of anybody who did but he was in a meeting that we now know from a filing in court signed by the person in question as part of a plea that he said in that meeting that sessions was in, i think i can arrange for a meeting with vladimir putin and donald trump. what do you make of that? >> chris, good evening. and first, you know, our hearts are with you in new york and the victims there. what i make of that, chris, is that this is a theme that we have seen from donald trump, his son, jared kushner, attorney general sessions, and just about everyone at the highest level is that they have failed to
acknowledge meetings with russians, only when confronted by you or other folks in the press or congressional investigators with contradicting evidence do they finally come around or say that i fail to recall. also, i think what's also important from the papadopoulos stipulation of facts is this theme now of getting dirt on hillary clinton's e-mails. that also now has come up in so many different contexts. and so i think that, again, it looks like attorney general sessions was not forthcoming. >> this was the court document that i should just read to the people. when defendant papadopoulos introduced himself to the group he stated in sum and substance he had connections that could help arrange a meeting between then candidate trump and president putin. the other part of the court document, mr. trump listened with interest and asked questions. mr. trump didn't say yes and didn't say no said the former
aide who agreed to describe the meeting on condition of anonymity. i guess the question is do you think it's plausible that all this back and forth simply escaped the notice of the attorney general? >> i don't believe in coincidences any more when it comes to the trump team and russia, so no. no, i don't think it's plausible at all. >> do you think he was intentionally misleading the committee? >> i think he has failed a number of times to be truthful about his contacts with russia. and so, you know, i don't understand what explanation he would give here other than he didn't want to acknowledge that somebody had told he, the president and other senior advisers that they had a connection to vladimir putin. and so, again, chris, this is just a reoccuring theme here. whether they actually worked with the russians and, quote unquote, colluded or did their damndest to work with them, they wanted to work with them. >> let me stop you there. that's the question. in what ways what's interesting is i think the press an politicians and the white house
have arrived on this word collusion, colluding, which has no legal meaning, right? >> that's right. >> there's no part of the u.s. code -- >> conspiracy. >> right. but what do you think of what we know now from the charging document, how do you characterize the actions of the campaign? >> i characterize it this way. a bunch of people were told that there is money in a vault. so they got the ski masks, they got the vault blueprints, they talked about how they were going to get the money out of that vault and what we're trying to figure out is did they actually work and go take the money out of the vault? we know that an attempt at the very least was made. they wanted to get that money out of the vault. and the law, you know, an attempt can be just as incriminating as a complete act. but right now we just want to
complete our investigation so we can answer that question. but we know they were will and eager to work with the russians. >> congressman eric swalwell, thank you. >> my pleasure. frank figluzzi served under then fbi director robert mueller. what do you make of the actions by the special counsel on monday in terms of what you understand his strategy to be here? >> well, there's clearly a pathway that he's got planned out, and we're seeing it unfold right now. and one of the things that i think we're all realizing is that the mueller team is much farther along in this investigation and much closer to the oval office than many of us realized. and what we're learning even today is that people that i call the formers, former white house chief of staff, reince priebus, former white house spokesman, sean spicer, former interim national security advisor, keith
kellogg, all voluntarily working with or being interviewed by the mueller team. this is a sign that he's penetrated into the white house. these are the people who were savvy, in meetings, privy to knowledge, for example, reince priebus was white house chief of staff when trump decided to fire fbi director james comey. what does he know about that? what does he know about might be -- michael flynn and who knew what when? but let me tell you something, the appearance of hope hicks and the likelihood she's about to be interviewed when he returns from a foreign trip with the president should worry president trump perhaps more than anything else. why? all of the people we just named are formers. they don't have this lovefest with the president. they in fact have issues with the president. hope hicks has been with trump and the trump organization since
2014. she's a 29-year-old young lady. she's about to undergo the most stressful part of her life, being interviewed by the special counsel team. she sits in the most sensitive meetings, the most critical media interviews the president has. she knows more than we think she knows. >> you worked with counterintelligence and from that perspective, i'm trying to make sense of these approaches, because they're so strange, right? so you've got the approach at trump tower, and the manager for the rock star who's the son of an oligarch says, oh, the kremlin wants to help your dad get elected. here we've got papadopoulos saying i met this professor in london and he's talking to people in the kremlin. as someone who worked in counterintelligence, what do those look like to you? >> you see the fingerprints of the russian government here. papadopoulos meets with a professor, who just happens to be able to hook you up with russian government ministry of foreign affairs official. ministry of foreign affairs is
often a cover position for russian intel. he meets a woman who claims she's related to vladimir putin. we find out from the mueller team she's not. then we see manafort and gates representing ukrainian pro-russian presidential candidate. the party is pro russia. they are told to put their money for consulting in a cyprus bank. who uses the cyprus bank to launder money? the russian intelligence service. >> i want to ask you from your perspective, in a little more than ten years manafort, this is from some of the charging documents, has submitted ten united states passport applications on ten different occasions. he currently has three u.s. passports with different numbers. have you heard of anything like that before? >> that's a lot. now, look, there are people who travel incredibly, fill up the passport book, need new
passports, but this many is problematic. the guy travels a lot, but there's way too many passports going on here. and again, i think he got a primer on how the russians can influence a campaign when he represented the ukrainian candidate, and he saw what russia could do to manipulate a campaign and he liked it. >> that's an interesting idea. frank figliuzzi, appreciate it. the president of the united states is beginning to blame his own son-in-law for the predicament he finds himself in. that story coming up. building a website in under an hour is easy with gocentral...
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that paul manafort received this news today that he was being charged on these 12 counts? >> he responded the same way the rest of us in the white house have. that's without a lot of reaction because it doesn't have anything to do with us. >> the trump administration on monday was trying to project an air of calm as robert mueller's first three indictments came news. tonight the president calls "the new york times" personally to let them know just how chill he is. i'm actually not angry at anybody, mr. trump told "the times." but that's not what white house staffers are telling just about anyone who will listen. cnn has reported that donald trump is seething over the charges. "the washington post" wrote that trump fumd over russia indictments. quote, the walls are closing in and everyone is freaking out. in a gabe sherman piece today, former trump campaign aide sam nunberg went on the record. here's what manafort's indictment tells me. trump is at 33% in gallup. you can't go any lower, he's f'ed. he also said that the president may now be turning on the one
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his role in decisions, specifically the firings of mike flynn and james comey that led to robert mueller's appointment, according to a source briefed on the call. gabe sherman, special correspondent for "vanity fair" and msnbc contributor joins me now. the latest piece, steve bannon tells trump to bring in lawyers as he looks for ways to kneecap robert mueller. the president calls to say actually i'm not angry. a statement that is always almost self-refuting. >> of course. >> what does your reporting suggest, is that accurate that he's not angry? >> it reminds me when trump says believe me. every time he says believe me, you know it's the opposite, don't believe him. this clearly was a sign that the white house is spooked and is pushing back aggressively on my reporting and others in "the washington post" and "the daily beast" at some of the panic and turmoil people in the west wing are feeling in the wake of the indictments and the guilty plea of george papadopoulos.
>> your reporting is that bannon is trying to urge him to bring in new lawyers and go harder at mueller. >> correct. >> what strikes me as so reckless about that, they're also under investigation for obstruction of justice. the fact that they're telling reporters or whoever is telling reporters we're going to go after mueller, that could itself be part of a case against the president of the united states for obstruction. >> right. still, steve bannon has no problem urging president donald trump to really go to the mattresses on this when it comes to mueller and his investigative team. as we reported at thedailybeast.com, bannon has been urging the president to bring in more, as he would say, ruthless lawyers to sort of layer above ty cobb and john dowd, two leaders of trump's outside legal team, who bannon thinks are remarkably incompetent. >> we should say that cobb appears to me to be someone right now that is standing between the impulses of the president to attack mueller and, you know, his actual behavior.
he always is saying we're cooperating, we're confident that we'll be found innocent. is that the case? is he kind of the fulcrum for the white house's response? >> sort of. but it's also a matter of the fact that the president and the white house do not actually have a choice at this point to cooperate. even bannon himself has not been urging the president to order the sacking of robert mueller because they're aware of the political firestorm and the potential political suicide that would ensue if they did that. having said that, bannon is one of the president's closest advisers, even though steve bannon himself does not work within trump's west wing anymore, and he is essentially being a devil on trump's shoulder on this. >> yeah, that sounds like -- familiar. what do you think about this
kushner -- any time i see anyone kneecapping kushner, ivanka or back in the day people kneecapping bannon, i was trying to read the tea leaves of which faction of the west wing was going after who. what do we make of this idea that he's turned against kushner? >> the most important thing to remember about donald trump, never his fault. he never will take any responsibility for any decision. so in the wake of pushing out steve bannon, in the wake of pushing out reince priebus, sean spicer and all of the other advisers who were part of that original west wing team, the only one there who was part of that core group now is jared kushner. and so donald trump looks out as my reporting indicates and says how did i get into this mess? what he sees is that jared kushner was by his side at every critical moment that led to the appointment of the special prosecutor. so donald trump has been telling people, as i understand it in this phone call i reported on with steve bannon that he said, listen, jared kushner is part of the reason i'm in this mess because he encouraged me, he was part of the decision to fire jim comey. he was part of the decision to fire mike flynn.
these were the trigger points that led us to the special counsel. >> i want to read a quote for you from gabe's reporting and tell me if that squares from things you hear from people in the white house. jared is the worst political advisor in the white house in modern history. i'm only saying publicly what everyone says behind the scenes at fox media and in the senate and the congress. do you hear that? >> within the white house, jared kushner has a number of people both within and without the white house who are in trump's inner political circle who greatly resent him. having said that, the president is lashing out at his son-in-law and senior advisor, jared kushner, but he is also lashing out at a lot of people within his inner circle. this is not exclusive. >> that's true. >> to mr. kushner. related to what you were saying earlier where the president laughably told "the new york times," oh, i actually think this is fun, i'm not actually mad, that is patently false. anyone with any understanding of this president can tell you
that. and when the president gets madder and the more russia is in the news cycle, he hate tweets more and yells at the tv a lot more. and nowadays, there's a lot of yelling at the tv and a lot of live tweeting of fox news. >> as i said before, actually i'm not mad is not a statement that's ever been true. gabe sherman, asawain, thanks. still to come, why the president may be personally inclined to grant paul manafort a pardon and what it has to do with trump's still, still unreleased taxes ahead. tonight's thing 1, thing 2, next.
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for you. like last year when the british government asked the internet to help name a new research vessel and now there's a research submarine named boaty mcboat face. today nbc news reported that house speaker paul ryan asked president trump to help name the republican tax plan, because of his knack for branding. trump has been insistent the bill be called the cut cut cut act. again, that's the cut cut cut act. spelled with cs. and while paul ryan and kevin brady have pushed back on the name, trump has held firm, which means they may actually get stuck with the equivalent of taxy mctax face. >> what does the president want the bill to be called? there are reports that he wants it to be called the cut cut cut act, is that accurate? >> if it's called the cut cut bill, great. monday's indictment when you're clocking out.
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alemged to have. some reported in bits and pieces. records from cyprus showed that manafort had been in debt to pro russian interests before joining the trump campaign in march. less than a month after that he tried to immediately leverage his new position writing how do we use to get whole, ovd operation, oleg deripaska. these raise questions whether his financial dealings left him open to influence or straight-up collusion by foreign interests. very same questions apply to the man whose campaign he was running, current president of the united states, donald trump. even manafort himself couldn't give a coherent answer on this subject last year.
>> to be clear mr. trump has no financial relationships with any russian oligarchs. >> that's what he did, that's what i said, that's obviously what our position is. >> okay. we know almost nothing about donald trump's finances, to whom he owes money, when those bills might come due, what interests might he be serving. there's one document that could lay those fears to rest, tax returns which he presumably filed two weeks ago. unlike past presidents he's not made it public. at this crucial juncture seems to me americans do a right to know and u.s. congress could force him to produce that document right now. one senator who he's lawmakers should do just that joins me next. we now a lot more about the financial entanglements paul manafort is believed to have
portfolio came from russian money. tax reform bill we're talking about may favor the -- trump family has always supported. would connect a lot of dots and in a lot of ways like the paul manafort situation. when you get the details, for example i think the details about paul manafort are going to be so serious he's not going to be able to sweep them under those very expensive rugs he bought. >> let me ask you this, does congress have the power to make the president give you his tax returns? >> there's a complicated process, really involves the chair, orrin hatch and myself, ranking democrat, agreeing to set in motion a process to obtain the tax return, have the finance committee look it over if get them to go along, yes would be a policy for making them public. i say respectfully, not been able to get republican support. >> it's a concrete action they can take if concerned where this is headed.
also about the president's power to pardon federal crimes is well nigh absolute, if he were to do it and many think that's manafort's angle here, what could congress or people do? >> i feel this pardon issue is not unlike firing bob mueller. if you're even looking at that, thinking about the pardon process at this point, i think you're going to be triggering a constitutional crisis, i think would be a big mistake. many republicans in the senate have said that they would be for bob mueller. i've been telling them, speak out right now, it's going to be important to protect bob mueller's right to do a professional job. >> we have heard talk about mueller, republicans on the record saying he shouldn't do that. and you think firing paul manafort -- sorry pardoning paul
manafort is on the same plane as that. >> particularly at outset, if you're doing either talking about firing bob mueller, pardoning people, it just, based on my conversations with senators, i think would trigger a constitutional crisis. >> you've had hearings over the last two days with platform companies, google, facebook and twitter among others, about the ways in which russian actors appeared to use their platforms, possibly in dubiously legal ways. what is your one big take-away from the hearings about the platforms and how they're equipped. >> seems to me the companies better move quickly to restore trust. have not done enough to police their platforms from bad actors. i wrote a law that gives them tremendous legal power to do a
better job pleegs the platforms. reason this is important, supreme court has said yes it's possible have some restrictions on politics and political speech but almost everything else is covered by the first amendment, rallies and marches and protests. that means these companies have to step up to police them from bad actors. >> are you concerned about the midterms? >> my concern is they have to play catch-up and do it in a hurry. midterms coming up. whole host of questions. i've asked people who make the voter machines to tell us what they're doing for cybersecurity. but midterms are almost around the corner and these companies ought to recognize right now a lot of people are questioning their integrity. >> thanks for your time. that's all for this evening.
StatementJokeResponseAttackerSakeLaughing-stockPresidentJared-kushnerReportingQuestionsSon-in-lawCollusionwest palm beach airport, following the president's first physical exam as president. according to his doctor at walter reed, the exam went, quote, exceptionally well and further details on tuesday. before leaving washington for this martin luther king holiday weekend, trump signed a proclamation expanding site, with questions from the president about remarks about haiti, el salvador the day before. and throughout the day, republican lawmakers in florida, including senator marco rubio and congressman carlos ro bechlt. llo strongly distanced themselves from the remarks, all in a state, florida, a home to many immigrants and their families, including 300,000 haitian-americans, most in south florida, some of whom protested the president's comments. and republican governor rick scott also reacted to trump's
for so long. do you get the sense that he's sort of distracting from his own policy agenda with the comments he made this week about other countries, whether true or not, with tweets he puts out about everybody from author michael wolff to news anchors? >> there are definitely republicans in this town who would very much agree with the premise of that question. they see it as constant controversies that do distract, that they have to sort of answer for things on a constant basis because the president has stoked up controversy again. that is a problem for people who are more used to a much more focused, much more deliberative approach from a president. gillian: so, distracting from his own policy agenda, some might go as so far as shooting himself in the foot. take a listen to the sound bite from speaker paul ryan in wisconsin. >> you're trying to broker a deal, right. >> yeah, so-- how do you do that with this?
>> so we just have to get it done. gillian: talking about the president's comments this week on fisa, during the leadup to the vote on the hill, and then also, you know, on the comments he allegedly made during this meeting with lawmakers, using a vulgar term. so, it seems like, even speaker ryan is saying we're forging ahead, we're trying not to let the president, you know, get in our way. it's a little unusual. >> oh, it's massively unusual, particularly since congress has an absolutely full plate of things it needs to get to. there's a very intense congression congressional agenda. people need to get things done fast. time that you spend on other topics to accomplish those goals. gillian: and you create unnecessary obstacles when you speak out on issues that aren't necessarily appropriate for the
president to be commenting on. i want to pull up for you what john mccain had to say earlier this week. he said, people have come to this country from everywhere. and people from everywhere have made everyone great. our immigration policies should reflect that truth and our elected officials, including our president, should respect it. those are some fairly scathing words from a senior lawmaker who has been working on not just immigration, but national security issues for decades. what do you make of that? >> i think that it is part of a firstly genuine objection to what the president is supposed to have said, but i also think it's a point that many republicans believe the republican party has to be welcoming to an ever more diverse america. and i think that they feel comments like the ones attributed to president trump cut against that in a very serious way. they see it speaking to his base, yes, but his base is a minority of the country. and so, they don't think that that is a winning strategy over
the medium or long-term. and i think that they have sincere objections to it as well. gillian: we've got to not just worry about the base. the president doesn't have to worry only about his base facing in 2018, part of his role and responsibility is to help usher republicans across that goal line. so certainly not helping there, right. >> absolutely not. one of the interesting things i think in the past couple of days, we're seeing lawmakers from competitive districts really being to the fore criticizing the president. someone like congressman korbela, and pretty scathing. and i think we're seeing those republicans trying to create some distance between themselves and the president on this kind of talk. gillian: well, hopefully they will get to the other side of this. republicans will be able to put it behind them and move forward. niall stannage, thanks for joining us. mike: and statistics in the house nearly $300,000 have been
spent quieting harassment and discrimination claims against house members since 2003. >> hi there, mike. the nearly $300,000 comes straight from taxpayers and was used to settle 13 claims against members. house. that average is out to almost a settle a year. here is a look. 27,000 was paid out between 2003 in '07. then, a big jump between '08 and 2012 with 174,000. then 91,000 from 2013 to last year. we don't know who got the payouts because staffers had to sign a nondisclosure agreement. to start mediation. we know one of the offending congressmen was from texas. his former communications director received 84,000 after she accused him of making inappropriate sexual comments. he announced he's not running for reelection and said he'll pay the money back. earlier, he's waiting to see
thank you very much. gillian: president trump now pointing the finger at democrats for what he's calling a missed opportunity on daca and immigration. this after a week of meetings on the issue without any clear results. our own molly heninberg is following the latest on this story. >> hi, gillian. there's no bill until there's a bill and right now there's no bill at least publicly that can get 60 votes in the senate and get the president's signature. legislators had hoped to include immigration reform and wrap it up in a bill to keep the government funded, but that spending bill has to be done by next friday and it doesn't appear at this point that there's enough agreement to include immigration in that legislation. on daca, which stands for the deferred action for childhood arrivals, which protects some 800,000 illegal minors from deportation, and then the dream act gives them a pathway to legal status. some democrats want just to focus on that for now. the top house democrat nancy pelosi is asking for a daca and
dream only piece of legislation now. and in a statement yesterday, she said, quote, in october, the president wrongly decided to terminate daca. since that time. the president has constantly said he supports daca. what is clear is it that we must insist on a clean dream act, which is supported overwhelmingly by the american people, has bipartisan support in congress and must be enacted in january. but that doesn't sit well with republicans who wants border security or those who want to end chain migration. or those who don't want legal status for young, illegal immigrants. >> some of these people that are negotiating from the other side, aren't there in good faith. i think that they're there trying to make their political point, and they don't really want daca, they want the dream act. that's what they want. they're calling it daca, but they want a path to citizenship, a path to amnesty and that's part of the problem. >> congressman big says he does
not believe that the daca issue would prevent legislators from coming to an agreement to keep them open and funded by next friday. >> thanks for that reporting, molly. >> mike. >> let's bring in michigan congressman dan killdee. do you want a clean daca bill? >> yes, and i think it's sometimes in a partisan divide where one doesn't exist quite as much as people say it does. republicans in the house, i know, and democrats would like to get a daca deal done, and would vote for it, if it was on the floor. ways a little disappointed to say that the president says this is a missed opportunity. we have sessions on tuesday, wednesday, thursday. we could bring daca codification, a bill to the floor and i suspect it would have more than 300 votes in the house of representatives and would sale through the senate.
funding over this daca issue. why don't we negotiate in good faith on the issue, roll up your sleeves and let's work this out, but let's not hold the funding of our military hostage over this issue, that's irresponsible and they need to stop it. mike: congressman, your reaction to her comments and are we headed for a government shutdown? >> i don't think so. we'll see the. the republicans control the house, the senate and have the white house. the idea that it's the democrats' fault who have no power to put anything on the floor that we haven't taken action on these issues, that's playing politics and look, congressman i know has a track record and she's got her point of view, but saying that it's politics is basically playing politics. why don't we just do what congress is supposed to do when members of congress agree, democrats, and republicans on an issue, let's vote on it. to say that's playing politics to me i think is disingenuous. that's governing.
mike: wouldn't it wise to separate a controversial issue like immigration and government funding and a budget, it seems all are difficult enough individually for this congress to do. your thoughts, sir? >> well, i mean, we can separate it. we can put the daca bill on the floor on tuesday. and get it done. and basecle i -- basically set that aside and don't have to conflate these issues. there's a moment when the budget bills come up. democrats-- the republicans don't have the vote to keep the government open. when democrats are asked to rescue the republicans from themselves by providing enough votes to keep the government open 'cause they don't have them themselves, we have to have some of our priorities included in the action that congress takes and not be put in a position where all the things that democrats care about never get decided, never get a vote on the floor. mike: right. >> but the republicans who can't govern without us are unwilling to acknowledge that. that's just not right.
mike: you know, your republican colleagues want more border security so where is the solution on this immigration issue? is it in the bipartisan by camerale talks that speaker rhein has been talking about? do you think those bipartisan house are the key? >> this is obviously an issue where we need a comprehensive approach. we need border security, no question about it. we need to fix this broken immigration system and there are areas of agreement. i was really disappointed that the president didn't hold to his word when he had the bipartisan meeting just a few days ago, and then was presented a bipartisan solution to this problem after saying that he would accept whatever these folks put together and sign it, and he said no. so, i don't know who's whispering in his ear, but that was disappointing. we can solve these problems and we have to do it in a comprehensive way. democrats have to acknowledge that border security is an important subject, but we also have to have fixing to these
other problems and not create a pejorative out of family migration. i mean, this issue of chain migration is one that i think is getting a bit misunderstood. family immigration is a part of the history of this country. my own hometown-- >> thanks for your time. dan kildee from the great state of michigan. see you soon, sir. >> thank you very much. mike: we'll have more coverage. chris wallace as an exclusive interview with california attorney general, and what's next. and president trump's immigration comments and steve bannon's ouster from breitbart tomorrow at 11 a.m. eastern. gillian: it came from outer space. what the spacex cargo vehicle just brought down from -- to earth from the international
space station. a tough message from kim jong-un to the white house, as the south korea olympics slated for next month. and watching the thermostats plunge, more problems on the roads and airports. and adam is monitoring from the fox extreme weather center. i know when we see you we're getting bad news, go for it. >> unfortunately, we're looking into a system going into the northeast, on the back side cold air is funneling in. i'll have details after the break. i take pictures of sunrises,
freezing rain causing major slowdowns on roads, and meanwhile, the folks in buffalo, new york, were dealing with melting snow and flooding problems because of warmer temperatures. meteorologist adam is at the extreme weather center with all of today's forecasts. take it away. >> yeah, kind of a wild day yesterday. a real rollercoaster giving me a bit of a cold. and we're tracking a system off the northeast. one you're talking about. it's running off the east coast and the back side of this system we're looking at a major change in temperatures falling down into the teens in many cases. add in the wind chill and you'll notice a huge difference falling back down into the negative across a huge portion of the country. and it's still too early, winter is not over yet. it was 60 in new york city yesterday. unfortunately, that isn't going to be sticking around. now, as we go farther into the forecast, this is from saturday into sunday. these are daytime highs across
the country. and not horribly bad, but pay attention to what happens on monday. suddenly, another round of arctic air is going to be settling into the center of the country. you're looking at temperatures falling back into the negative. and that goes even deeper into the country. so we're talking about another huge arctic blast that's going to be pushing in, getting into the middle of next week. it's not just coming with the cold temperatures, it's going to be coming with eventually a system that's going to be working through. and here is your future radar, this is sunday into monday. right there, is where that system is, unfortunately, it's going to be coming with ice, it's going to be coming with snow, as much as i would love it to warm up, unfortunately, that's just not going to be the case. this is something we're dealing with, another big round just around the corner, guys. >> well, adam, you stay there. hang tight. no need to come here to our nation's capital. >> thank you. mike: i got home last night 60-something degrees and got up
this morning, 30-something degrees. all of us have a little frog in our throat. gillian: thanks, adam. you're the best. mike: authorities say the same russian hackers who targeted the dnc are back. who they're probing for information now. the clock is ticking for lawmakers to reach a deal on daca and immigration. how their lack of progress is resonating with voters.
the immigration debate in washington? >> unfortunately sigh sidelined with this ridiculous controversy as they're calling it. it's a sad day when this president who clearly trusts, i'm not sure why, but he still trusts the principle parties in the room to speak candidly. he's coming from an environment, used to the oars rowing in the same boat and he's not used to those to sand bag him. whether he said these things and it's clear about seizing power and not achieving goals. mike: we're less than a week from a possible government shutdown. what do folks outside of the beltway think about that? >> i think it's clear if we're going to hold up military spending or call this a government shutdown, if you want broadly, if we're really holding it up to secure the border, i don't know that that's the plank the democrats want to walk.
i get that -- i've yet to hear anybody why border security the is something we're against. >> if the president used rough language in a private meeting with lawmakers, does your audience care? >> no, for heaven's sake. you know, i said last night on twitter, mike, i was-- ever since 18 years old since you've been voting in this country the american left has been telling people stay out of our bedrooms, butt out. sop stop with the social issues frpt the second in private he supposedly allegedly says one curse word and suddenly the left takes to the billy graham crusades, where did that come from. mike: what about the comment made by house leader nancy pelosi, talking about people with an immigration deal.
>> five white guys i call them. you hope a hamburger stand next or what? >> so the five guys joke seemed to fall flat in the room. your thoughts, chris? >> that's just-- that's the perfect example, mike of what we're talking about. if you want to talk about race, you know, trump says, s-hole countries and that's a racist term suddenly and she specifically says five white guys. she invokes race. if ever there was racism on display in an off the cuff remark, it's miss pelosi, not the president. mike: and the assumption here, chris, is that late next week congress will punt again, meaning a short measure. how do that play outside the beltway. >> that's grist for the mill. i think most of us expect that's probably what will happen. folks that listen to this show and i speak for myself, what nobody wants is to colina daca
bill business. where ever you are on daca, i don't know any conservatives or republicans that would suggest only daca, no wall, no border security, no dealing with chain migration. that would be a terrible mistake. so, i'd rather wait and prolong it then rush to do something that we'll never go back and fix again. mike: a few seconds left. do you have a prediction in 2018, a lot of anxiety with a lot of republicans at 2018. your thoughts, chris? >> historically, if you want to look at history. we can't seem to these guys as a predictor, maybe republicans lose the house, perhaps. i think that republicans could pick up the senate. i know they won't lose the senate. i bank on them keeping control. senate, but they may gain republicans in the senate. mike: after this, chris is headed to atlantic city to place some bets. >> go eagles! . mike: chris, thanks. >> thanks, mike. gillian: the u.s. senate in the
cross-hairs of the same russian computer criminal hackers that caused problems for the dnc last year during the general election. chief political correspondent catherine herridge talks about it. >> and at the height of 2016 election, with wikileaks and the same hackers are now targeting the u.s. senate. according to new research, hackers are going after lawmakers network of context, as well as compromising information for blackmail. these cyber hackers, speak russian, and going to trap visitors with malware. >> and they set up fake accounts and fancy bear hackers used the strategy during the french presidential election to steal
e-mails in an efforts to influence the outcome. the u.s. intelligence community believes the hackers are closely aligned with president vladimir putin and they documented the decades long effort to undermine democracy. >> the administration is not doing enough to punish russia in the 2016 elections and prepare us for the 2018 election. >> the fancy bear hackers went quiet. but with no solutions on penalizing moscow, the hackers got busy. >> they predict that rogue political complaints are not likely to go away with the olympics and major operations in 2018. in washington. catherine herridge, fox news. gillian: be sure to keep it right here with us at america's news headquarters. at the top of the next hour, 1
p.m., discussing the latest developments in the russia probe with florida congressman ron desantis. mike: searching for missing crew members on an iranian oil tanker are facing fiery conditions. why it's still in flames after colliding with another ship. president trump now says he thinks he has had a good relationship with north korea's kim jong-un, but the u.s. isn't letting up its stance against the hermit kingdom ahead of the olympics. what to expect as we get closer to the opening ceremonies.
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ship's last box. and 29 missing at this hour and the exact cause of that crash is unknown. ♪ >> south korean president moon says the trump administration's tough stance on kim jong-un drove north korea to reopen diplomatic lines, but the trump administration is not softening their stance on the hermit kingdom ahead of the olympics. vice-president mike pence is leading the u.s. delegation in south korea. for this, i want to bring in jack keane, strategy analyst, general, the administration was sort of playing coy when it comes to the u.s. relationship with kim jong-un. the president-- i wants folks at home to take a look. the president said he probably has a very good relationship about kim jong-un. he said that you people, media he was talking to at the time, are surprised and went on to say
when asked when he spoke to kim jong-un. i'm not saying i have or i haven't, i don't want to comment. what do you make of that. >> it's hard to characterize the president's relationship from a distance, but i'm not aware of contact, but that's clearly up to him. he surely does talk to world leaders on a regular basis. gillian: why not just say no? >> looking at it from the outside, i think this is probably the most challenging and difficult relationship that he's got with everybody in the world. clearly, we're on a path here where a military option is on table. there are some negotiations that have taken place, it's talking and chewing at each other, but we've got to have a healthy dose of skepticism here because the north koreans have always used negotiations to advance their technology program and they've used it in the past to obtain goodwill which is obviously going on here, and also, when it's with the south koreans to try to drive a wedge between
ourselves ap the south koreans. so we've got to look at realistically. could something better come of it? we hope so, but that's the way we've got to look at it. gillian: that's the bilateral relationship side. from the military side do you feel there were mixed messages, also. president trump agreed to not go forward with the joint military exercises with south korea until after the olympics. at the same time the department of defense flying b-2 bombers over the region. >> i think we should be doing more on the military side to strengthen the policy change that we made dealing with north korea and that is that the military option is back on the table. that was general mattis, now secretary mattis that made that statement on the first visit to the far east shortly after the inauguration back in january of last year. but here is some things i know the chinese and the north koreans are looking at to determine, is our policy real? why are we still sending
families to south korea with their military spouses? this should now be what we call in the military an unaccompanied tour. like iraq and afghanistan is. we should also be preparing to bring the families that are there home, making the policy changes that are going to be able to accommodate a move with such a sizable population, we should be making plans to bring the american population at home. gillian: who makes that decision, general? is it state department? is it dod? >> in dealing with the military families dod, and the other thing, gillian, if we're going to go to war, there's a possibility we are, director pompeo of the cia said we're months away from the showdown. if that's the case, as we were in iraq and afghanistan, we're an ocean away, which means we have to prepare, theater level logistics, we have to put in place ammunition and we actually have to start moving some forces
that are going to be able to accommodate the reality of that. i also believe while some people would look at that and say those are provocative act, you're going to force north korea to action. i would say rubbish to that. and the provocative act is nuclearizing icbm's and pointing them at america. and those are proven measures that any military force would have to do if they have a credible policy of wanting this to use a military option. and i'm not suggesting all-out war, but a military option, a very limited military option which obviously could escalate to war. gillian: how worried are you about, forget who is more provocative than who, rights? but how worried are you about a move from the trump administration that they necessarily-- they don't necessarily believe is a direct threat, but ends up being a miscalculation that pushes us offense the edge, sort
of unintentionally into war? are you worried about that or not really? >> you have to calculate that and with every option that you put in front of the president, you have to layout what the risks are associated with those options and we have capable people, you know, who know how to do that and certainly, kim jong-un, once he makes the decision to react to some $what he believes is a provocation by the united states and starts a shooting war on a peninsula, that's the end of his regime. that's-- and he knows that, and all the people around him know that. we would crush that regime in a matter of days and he knows it. gillian: the worry is that we, the united states worries then about the south koreans to a degree that kim jong-un probably doesn't, right. >> he doesn't worry about the south koreans. he's just using the south koreans as a vehicle to put some pressure on the united states by driving a wedge between us and the south koreans. gillian: well, some scary stuff, general keane. thanks for your expertise today.
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destinatio destinations. mike: a state of confusion in the state of kansas. the current governor is awaiting a senate confirmation for a position as an ambassador. but while the lt. governor waits to take his place voters are having who is really in charge? alicia acunas is in topeka with the story. >> as congress republican governor sam brownback took the podium for the state of the state address. one question swirled over the office. >> does the state of kansas have two governors? >> no, kansas has one governor brownback and he makes the decisions. >> and colorakoh collier is waie wings as he's expecting a quick confirmation, brownback began handing over duties to colyer. that was six months ago.
>> i teach about politics, one they think i teach you don't count on the u.s. senate to do anything until it's done, especially confirmation. >> the senate ended without a vote on brownback or dozens of other trump nominations and now there is confusion in kansas. >> lt. governor jeff colyer was making appointments and events and governor brownback was doing a tree lighting event or-- the question is who is in charge. >> it's like abbott and coste o costello, who is on first. >> and for appointees didn't make confirmations, thank you, potus, i'll continue as governor. s for the positions requiring it, only 241 nominations have been confirmed by the full u.s. senate. while he waits on washington, brownback appears to be retaking
the reins in kansas. the question remains for how long. >> could he be gone in february, june, later than that? who knows. >> a spokeswoman tells fox news, the renominations could be considered in a timely fashion and they will not require another hearing, but they will need another committee vote before once again heading to the full senate. in topeka kansas, alicia acunas, fox news. gillian: much more ahead in the next hour. president trump says democrats are to blame forestalled immigration reform. why, he says, bipartisan meetings are not working. and from the front lines to the top brass, we'll give you a sneak preview of a brand new series that looks at how the military makes the most important decisions of the day. stick with us.
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>> plus growing criticism of robert mueller's russia investigation and calls for better transparency, we will talk to republican congressman desantis that sits on foreign affairs and judiciary committee. >> we get unprecedented look at our military's fight against isis courtesy of brand new geographic special. >> we want to fight and we want to take care of business here. i know personally i don't want our nation, in fact, any of our allied nations to have to deal with this enemy. so we have to go get after them here today and take care of business. >> and president trump kicks off the long weekend in mar-a-lago with an early morning tweet storm suggesting that lawmakers are far from reaching a deal on daca and accusing democrats of stalling those negotiations. for more on all of this, let's go live to phil keaton in west palm beach. what can you tell us? >> president trump should be wrapping up his morning golf
game at nearby trump international golf club where he arrived this morning in the big long motorcade around 9:30 this morning. as usual scenario in palm beach, he begins the morning bright and early tweeting this morning he was praising the economy and digging at democrats including this one about ongoing daca negotiations, what to do with the estimated 700,000 dreamers in the country. quote, the democrats are all talk, no action, they are doing nothing to fix daca, great opportunity missed, too bad. of course, it was the oval office meeting thursday about daca and immigration which led to the all consuming controversy about what members of both parties confirmed the president said about haiti, el salvador and african nations. leading to these questions after trump's proclamation expanding the martin luther king, jr. historic site friday.
>> mr. president, are you racist? >> florida senator rubio and curbello strongly distanced themselves from the president's remarks including 3,000 haitian americans some who protested the comments yesterday while commemorating eighth anniversary of the country's devastating earthquake. on david lederman netflix show, guest, none other than former president obama. >> one of the things that michelle figured out in some ways faster than i did was, you know, part of your ability to lead the country doesn't have to do with legislation, it doesn't have to do with regulations, it has to do with shaping attitude, shaping culture, increasing awareness.
>> as soon as the president is finished at the golf club, he is expected to then motorcade back to his winter white house at mar-a-lago on palm beach, only about 8 or 10-minute drive and the president has no public events scheduled not only today tomorrow or monday and it is monday afternoon we expect that the president and first lady melania and son baron will be boarding on air force one and returning to the nation's capital. jillian. >> phil, i had to take a double take at david letterman, i barely recognized him. >> i need to grow one. [laughter] >> stay cool at mar-a-lago, thanks, phil. >> president trump has tied daca and immigration to the budget debate and with just days before lawmakers are faced with another potential government shutdown, the clock is ticking for a solution. latest developments.
hi, molly. >> it's no simple task. democrats are saying, let's just focus on young illegal minors first and then get to the rest. but republicans say, not so fast. they want border security too and say they've been promised funding for a border wall before and then the funding didn't come through. >> i'm so mistrustful i think that we keep our promise first and then not give up our leverage until -- until we built that wall. >> but democrats say why wait, they believe they have enough bipartisan support to extend what's called da to -- daca to protect from deportation and also pass the dream act that gives them path to legal status. >> it would takes 4 minutes and we might as well get it done in signal to the american people when we have bigger issues like budget issues, infrastructure bill, like real problems in health care that we ought to address, that congress actually can come together and overcome
what looks like differences. >> legislators had hope today include immigration reform to the bill to keep funding of the federal government but that spending bill has to be done by next friday and it doesn't appear at this point that there's enough agreement to include immigration in that legislation. mike. >> live in washington, molly, thanks a lot. >> more on the battle over budget and immigration, i want to bring in scott wong, senior reporter at the hill. thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> take a look at facts on immigration. this is the immigrant population in the united states by country of birth in 2016. it's the latest numbers we've got, total immigration from africa at 2.14 million, el salvador as you can see there is 1.3 million, haiti, just over half a million at 668,000 and norway at 22,000. so allegedly these are the types of figures that the president
was react to go earlier this week in the meeting with lawmakers where he used expletive reportedly. the numbers don't look very high to me. >> well, a number of republicans pointed out that, you know, we all have immigrant backgrounds in our ancestry and so that was the point i believe that lindsey graham made to the president in pushing back to some of the remarks, one of the most personal, i think, responses to the president's controversial comments came from mia love, the first haitian american republican lawmaker to serve in the united states congress, her parents were born in haiti and came to the united states looking for a better future for their family and so i think, you know, some of the backlash that we have seen in response to president trump's is not only coming from the left but republicans as well.
>> if you break down the numbers a little bit, i was just struck -- whether the reporting about the expletive is right or wrong, the numbers like, for example, african immigration today in the united states total is 2 million people, but that's almost 60 countries, i thought it would be a lot higher, i was remarking that, you know, this is not -- this is not an all-time high of immigration as we are being made to believe. i want to ask you also about the president wanting to get rid of the diversity lottery system for visas. he believes this will help put an end to what the administration calls chain migration. he says that what he wants is merit-based immigration, as you know, that essentially means people meet certain qualifications before they are able to come into the country. can you tell us about those qualifications, what they are? >> i don't have any specifics on the qualifications themselves but president trump did -- when lindsey graham and dick durbin brought this plan, bipartisan
plan, you know, essentially it would shift, it would do away with the diversity lottery which is a random lottery program and it would shift some of those 50,000 slots over to the tps program which is the countries like haiti, el salvador. temporary protective status, and the president said, well, let's not deal with those countries, why can't we make this all about merit and, remember, these were comments that he made two days earlier in the televised meeting in the white house who said who would disagree with bringing in people based on -- on a merit system and so this is something that the president has insisted on. he has suggested this to congress. so far, democrats have not signed on board. they are pushing back against the merit-base system and they want other assurances for daca at this point.
so -- >> the administration as far as i can tell has not really clearly defined what those merits are. they've alluded to the idea that people should speak english prior to coming into the united states, that's one qualification, another qualification is that they should be prepared to in some way contribute to the national economy, am i missing anything? >> i don't think we have seen specifics so far. i think what the president is talking about are professionals like doctors, for example, doctors from other countries coming to the united states, graduate students who want to further their education and take advantage of the good colleges in the united states. those are examples of the types of people that president trump is saying let's make this all about merit, let's take the best and brightest from around the world and let them come to the country rather than ran do --
random lottery drawing. >> how do those qualifications compare to refugee population? the united states agreeing to take people who are fleeing prosecution, war, terror around the world, are we going to keep refugees in separate categories or they'll get bundled into the immigrant populations, the merit-based folks? >> i think that's what's being discussed. if you do away completely with the lottery system, the plan, the bipartisan plan that lindsey graham and dick durbin put forward would have shifted 50,000 slots over to countries that are dealing with either manmade disasters, civil war, strife or natural disasters like we saw in el salvador and in haiti. these are -- there's a lot of questions that still have not been resolved. the president's comments, controversial remarks have only sort of inflamed the situation. i think democrats and
republicans have been driven into the respective corners. that's not a great place to be with four legislative days before a government shutdown. >> yeah, as you point out, a lot of loose ends, a lot of major questions here that will affect all americans that need to be hammered out on the hill, in the white house in the next four days, thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you. >> mike. >> third high profile republican has thrown her name into arizona seat, martha mcsally officially announced candidacy friday. former air force colonel and first female fighter pilot took a world war ii fighter plane to campaign tieing her service record into how she'll work in the senate. >> i'm running my race and we want to make sure that people in arizona know options and i'm working with the president. you look at my voting record, even though i'm in split district, i have to most reliable record
with the president and i continue to vote with him. i was at the white house this week and i've been invited other times to talk about health care, tax reform, infrastructure and now immigration and i'm honored about that. >> mcsally faces competition for the republican nomination, former arizona sheriff joe arpaio and former senator, state senator kelly ward. that should be a heck of the race for the republican nomination. >> you know, i have to say, a woman fighter pilot throwing her hat in the ring, not a day too soon, this is the kind of thing that americans all across the country have been calling for. >> jeff flake is retiring so they are throwing their hat in there. >> yeah, feeling good about that. brand-new details emerging on the las vegas mass shooter from last year and just how meticulous he was in covering up his trail leading up to that deadly massacre? plus a major milestone for firefighters in the state of
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>> embattled former trump administration chief strategists steve bannon expect today speak with the house intelligence committee this week, but to members of congress say they want more transparency on what exactly that committee has discovered so far. congressman ron desantis joins me now from the great state of florida. congressman, good to see you. >> good to see you. >> you sent a letter to house speaker paul ryan this week, what do you want the speaker to do, sir? >> well, we have the ability in our house rules to declassify, classify documents that are in the possession of committee and we had major breakthrough with doj and fbi finally agreed to provide the information regarding the trump dossier, the fisa surveillance, all those questions that we've had for months and i think all the members of congress will eventually be read into that and even people not on the intelligence committee will be
able to review it and i think that's good, but to me that's inadequate. i think the american people need to know how this information was used, did you have one administration spying on the campaign of an opposing party and i have report that is the dossier was, in fact, use today get fisa surveillance on a trump associate and one of the questions i have is, did the fbi when they got the dossier, did they know that that was a democratic-party funded document and still went ahead and used it, that's bad. but if they didn't know the genesis of it, the origin of it and still used it, that's also bad. so i think there's a lot of questions that need to be answered and the best way to do it is cut through the smoke and des classify and make it public. >> we have a public of january 9th letter here, have you gotten any response from speaker and his team so far? >> so i talked to the speaker last week about getting in all the members of congress read into this. he was very open to that. i think the speaker has done a good job on this.
he has backed devin nunes, he told rosenstein you have to produce the stuff. i think the speaker will be open to this and i talked to chairman nunes and he's definitely trying to move forward with invoke declassification order from his committee which is great. >> there are great patriotic professional with n the fbi but what are your concerns about the role of some at the fbi as it relates to the house intelligence committee investigation? well, you're right, we have phenomenal fbi agents serving all over the country and all over the world, my fear with all of this is the bad actions of a few people like peter strzok who said we can't take risk of trump presidency and lisa page, that their political actions and the way they conducted themselves will make the bureau look bad. i still have confidence in the fbi at large but i think there's been a problem with the leadership going back to the hillary e-mail investigation and then through this trump
so-called russia collusion investigation that is going to need to be addressed. we have seen it be addressed so far to a certain extent. comey has been fired. mccabe is on the way out, peter strzok in administrative position, so let's just get all the facts, let's hold people accountable and let's move forward. we need a strong fbi and i'm 100% in favor of a strong law enforcement. >> this is not the first rodeo, do you expect the documents will be declassified, congressman? >> i think there's a very good chance that they will be, yes, because the public interest is in intense in this and you declassify in a way that if there is some type of source and method you can protect that but still get the information out to the people. >> there were high-profile issues at the irs several years ago, should anyone be surprised that some at the fbi may have played politics? >> well, i think that's a good point, l oh, -- lerner was not
not appointed by the obama administration. the outer veneer they may not be, they can often act in partisan ways, lerner did that to the hill and peter strzok and lisa page text messages, they had bias against donald j. trump, they did not want him to be president and we wanted to make sure there was an insurance policy to prevent it. >> congressman, are you getting all the answers you want on the steel dossier and the information at this stage? >> well, we haven't gotten them all yet but i think the fact that this information will be provided to the congress is a huge step forward, it's a big victory for us. we are going to get all the answers one way or another, i wish we would have gotten them sooner but over the next probably two months between this and then the ig report with the hillary e-mail investigation, i
think you're going to see a lot of scrutiny on how the obama doj handled these cases in 2016. >> congressman ron desantis of the great state of florida, i look forward to seeing you on the hill, sir. >> thank you. >> thanks for your time. gillian: after heated election virginia now has its now governor, democrat ralph northum who defeated ed gillespie was sworn in today at noon in richmond, he addressed a crowd of about 4,000 spectators who braved very cold weather to watch. northum called for unity amongst all virginians. >> it can be hard to find a way in a time that there's so much shouting, when nasty shallow tweets take the place of honest debate, if you felt that way, i want you listen to me right now, we are bigger than this. so help me god. [cheers and applause]
>> northum, 73rd governor in the state's history. >> after holding bipartisan meetings on immigration and daca earlier in the week, president trump is now slamming democrats over what he's called a missed opportunity. the president took to twitter this morning saying, democrats are, quote, all talk and no action. for more on the immigration debate let's bring in fair and balance panel brad blakeman, former deputy assistant to president george w. bush and al, member of clinton finance team, former member of the clinton finance team, easy for me to say. gentlemen, thanks for your time. >> great to be here. >> brad, let's start with you, your thoughts on president lashing out on democrats in twitter? >> i think he's dudley right. democrats did not come in the bipartisan meeting with any intention in dealing in good faith. how do we know that, dick durbin outraged over what the president may have said at the meeting. and when he left the white house, he didn't go to sticks,
in front of the press corp and show his outrage, this was calculated that they will policy, want government shutdown, they don't want a deal on immigration, they think they with get away with blaming the trump administration, the president went to deal in good faith, he said it during the meeting we saw a week ago, he said it it was a bipartisan commit yes we saw a few days ago and democrats have taken attack that he couldn't be dealt with, they choose to attack him. >> that's the best spin i have ever heard. the president engaged engaged il vitriol. when ronald reagan left she talked about shining city in the hill, he talked about a place that had doors that were open in anyone in world. and dick durbin and all democrats did come in good faith
and the president should be commended for that meeting and that was a bipartisan, great discussion, he unraveled the whole thing with what he said. >> my guess is plenty of presidents from both parties have used colorful language at times behind closed doors, brad, are you surprised the president did it in bipartisan meeting which it was the other night? >> no, there are some words and, of course, the president he said denies the word alleged, let me tell you something, in negotiation, specially with legislators things are going to be said that are never intended to public con summing. it's the heat of the moment. there's also context to what was said. what happened before the harsh word that the president used. he agreed he used harsh words and didn't agree he used those words. and the democrats, i guess they never listened to lbj tapes where he used not only foul language but racial language against black americans, so when
dick durbin said language has never been used in the oval office, then he should be listening to the lbj tapes and lbj, what was he able to do, he passed civil rights legislation and the president wanted to deal in good faith, the democrats, they renigged on that. >> look, no one is denying that he said it other than one man, the president who has a history of saying things that are a little untrue. what we have here is a situation, it's so sad because this is a look right into his dark soul, these are chilling and disparaging comments. you do so to emerge from tough situation. we should want people with fortitude and wherewithal to come here. >> we are heading into, perhaps, potential government shutdown in less than a week, he needs to
get democrats that vote for some things, to get some things across the finish line, what about the timing and what about the week ahead. >> i still think we are going to get through. i don't believe they'll be a shut down. >> i hope you're correct. i hope that there isn't a shutdown. we shouldn't be politicizing the -- the economy and the health of the american workers and that's federal workers and private workers that will be affected by government shutdown. we shouldn't be doing that. we shouldn't be holding people hostage and i do believe daca, if democrats want to work in good faith there's still opportunity to do it. he's probably the most transactional president. >> what about the democrats who try today link daca to some of the funding talks, feeling they have leverage because democratic votes will be needed to get things across finish line, how does that play out, does this get separated, we tried on daca, let's do it in march, where are
we going there? >> there's still not much time but i'm hopeful that they'll be bipartisan deal that includes border security and daca protections. a bunch of senators came with proposal that included that, there's a chance. again, the comments make it tougher because that riles up the base for good reason. >> nobody would have ever known about those comments had the democrats not rushed out in a coordinated effort. >> fascinating discussion, gentlemen, thanks for your time. >> good to be with you. gillian: it's often hard for civilians to understand exactly what the members of our military are up against when fighting isis and other extremist groups overseas, when we come back after the break, we will take a close look at new documentary that has unprecedented access to the men and women fighting extremism across the globe. >> if they're out there and they're driving in their
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not the only airport seeing headaches, bryan llenas joins with the latest. >> hey, mike, chaos in americas airports, one air traffic controller, what he called a, quote, horror show, jfk airport at new york city. dozens and dozens of planes sat on the tarmac for hours filled with passengers, thousands of bags were delayed or never made it to destinations, people slept at the airport for a couple days and then a water main broke flooding the international terminal. so weeks before that, the world's busiest airport hartsfield in atlanta lost power canceling flights and recent airport fiascoes are underscored infrastructure concerns at our nation's airports, so the american society of civil engineers recently gave our nation's airports a d grade, airport congestion is on the rise, asce is expected that 24
of the top 30 major airports in this country may soon experience thanksgiving peak traffic volume at least one day every week. you look at the graphic, last month the nation's airports released reports saying they require $100 billion in infrastructure needs between now and 2021 because of this congestion. that price tag has gone up 32% in just two years. airports want congress to eliminate caps on passenger facility charges, they want the faa to allow them to charge more than the max 4.50 per passenger so they can invest money in infrastructure. meanwhile there are efforts to modernize air traffic control systems, the president wants to privatize stripping responsibility from the federal aviation administration and given the responsibility to independent nongovernmental administration. they believe will speed up
nationwide and faa is handling the next gen program, updating 1950's era radar systems to satellite radar technology which would lead to less delays and more efficient performance and hope to be done by 2025. currently there's congressional group called the problem solver's caucus, they are trying to draft the trillion dollar infrastructure deal, we will see what happens. >> bryan llenas on travel drama and elsewhere, bryan, many thanks. >> of course. gillian: now from the halls of the pentagon to front lines in afghanistan, iraq and south america, new documentary gives you, viewers a front row seat to battle against extremism. >> the number one priority for us is to protect the homeland and the american people from an attack and also to protect allies from attack against
violent extremists. the most important things is to surround yourself with good people and take advantage of the talent that we have in the u.s. military. gillian: filmed over the course of 18 months, the series with never before seen images from the front line of war. scott is the executive producer of chain of command, the series, premiers monday and he joins me now live, scott, this is just incredible project and excited to have you with us to tell us a little bit more about it. i want to ask you first a question about timing, essentially why now, you know, the wars in iraq and afghanistan have been raging for 16 plus areas, what made you and then the pentagon decide that this -- this story needed to be told today? >> it's a very important story that we are telling. ithas been years in discussion between national geographic and
national geographic studios and with the department of defense. you know, as you had mentioned earlier, we started feeling about -- about a year and a half ago and we started very slowly and when you do this type of show, it's -- it's all built on trust because we are allowed into privileged worlds that have never been, you know, they never had cameras allowed before and we wanted to do it through the eyes of men and women who are most involved in the fight against extremism. >> you talk about footage, things that have never been allowed, access that has never been given before, one of those as i understand it, we have never gotten to see live footage from inside an f-22 before, is that right, and we see that in the series? >> that's correct, combat mission, that's exactly right and so these are the worlds in
which -- which through discussion and through, you know, obviously these are sensitive worlds and these environments that we are in are extremely fluid at times but a chain of command is really a collection of soldier stories. it is about the men and women who serve. it's told through their eyes, you get a greater depth of the larger stories, the larger story, you get a greater depth of their mission but you understand their sacrifice, you understand the commitment and, you know, as we go into these worlds, what we describe you're in the room and the way we define a room you could be in the drone room just on the outskirts of mosul or in the cockpit or you can be with a father and a mother who are saying good-bye to, you know, their three kids under 5 as they
are about to deploy to afghanistan. now, there have been many, many documentaries on the great men and women who serve in these environments -- gillian: but i don't think, scott, not one that we know of where you really get inside the minds of service members and their families and get to see life sort of through their eyes from their perspective. i wanted to ask you particularly about one thing that really struck me when i was reading about the project, the strategic plans that are hatched by top military brass at the pentagon have the sort of real, very real effects for service members and affected trajectory of entire lives, service members on the ground and one of the things you really wanted to do here was sort of connect the dots so that folks understood that, do you feel like you got any answers? >> you know, it was -- it's playing out over, you know, a
section of time where we started, for example, with the battle of mosul. we were there at the beginning, right when they kicked off and we were there towards the end and that plays out in the first four episodes. so through the men and women on both u.s. side and also with the iraqi forces, you understand their mission, you understand the complexity of that environment. you see, like you said, in the drone rooms in several occasions and you understand how difficult it is and you get greater depth of the fight for mosul. gillian: i'm sorry to interrupt you, we have to leave it there, we are out of time, everybody stay tune, look for the series premiering on monday on net geo, scott, thank you for bringing the story to us. >> thank you. gillian: mike. mike: back to fox news alert
now, more details on the frightening moment for citizens in hawaii when a ballistic missile alert was sent to citizens by mistake. democratic congresswoman tried to reassure hawaii residents on twitter and reiterated that the alert is a false alarm. people in hawaii received this warning just after 8:00 o'clock in the morning stating that a ballistic missile was inbound but authorities have said alert was sent out by mistake. for more let's bring in lucas thompson, pentagon producer, lucas, i know you talked to folks at pacific command, what are they saying? >> mike, they are saying this was a false alarm, a message being pushed out by hawaii's emergency management system, there's no word right now on why this message was sent out, it was simply somebody hitting the wrong key or was this a possible hack of the system which has been a strong concern for a lot of people involved.
you know, the biggest problem is, who wants to wake up in the island of hawaii to this kind of message when you have a pga tournament, country club, millions of people living their lives on saturday morning wake up and the first thing they see on phone checking text messages is take cover, seek shelter a ballistic missile is inbound. it has been put in place recently because of north korea testing successfully intercontinental missiles last year. >> of course, folks in hawaii have been on edge with the north korean regime and have been practicing what what happens if there's an emergency situation. we have video we can show folks at home exactly what they've been doing in hawaii to prepare. [sirens] >> and that was the sound people have not heard since world war ii. mike: excellent, point, lucas,
imagine waking up to that on saturday morning in picturesque hawaii and thinking there's incoming missile from investigator korean regime and must be alarming and people might be quite rattled. we don't know the cause. >> right now there's no cause in why the message was sent out inadvertently. mike: quite alarming situation, thank god it was a false alarm. lucas thompson, thank you for reporting. >> credits for congresswoman telling everybody not to panic. mike: no doubt about it. thank you, lucas. gillian: kudos for the congresswoman for getting that info and getting out to constituents. i can't imagine bone-chilling out on saturday, living your life with your family and you hear, you know, the sounds of those alarms are very, very
eerie. mike: absolutely. reminds nuclear alerts of when you were growing pup. gillian: of course. and you have no sense of what the danger really is, you know, the folks on the ground hearing this for the first time didn't know that it was potentially a missile or something else. you imagine that, you know, doom and gloom is a few seconds out. it must be terrible. mike: it took a while to find out whether this was legit or this was a false alarm, she sent the tweet out and hopefully a lot of folks in hawaii got the information promptly and were able to calm down pretty quickly. but just stunning when you consider the world we live in these days, the north koreans doing all kinds of test in the fear that perhaps it's not going to be a test or false alarm. >> we are hearing that there was 35 minutes, mike, between the alarm and then the all-clear, the mistake being declared. so that's an awful long time for
folks on the ground to be left wondering and maybe panicking about what has happened. 35 minutes. mike: yeah. gillian: unbelievable. mike: you can imagine the panic at 8:00 o'clock in the morning, what, we are under attack, we have to run, load up the family, where do we go? is it nuclear? gillian: we should probably stop complaining about the weather on the east coast. mike: exactly right. thankfully false alarm in hawaii and thankfully that congress woman tulsi gabbard grot the information and alerted constituents and were able to calm down 35 minutes after the initial alert went out. all kinds of investigation now to try to figure out whether somebody pressed the button, whether there was a hacking, exactly what led to this, but a tough way to start your day in hawaii, imagine folks on vacation or people who live there who are living under the threat of north korea, hearing those sirens first thing this
morning. gillian: you know, that will be the million dollar question now going forward is the investigation into what exactly went wrong. i don't know if we still have lucas with us but maybe we can ask him, lucas, do you have a sense of what the procedure is of taking this forward, how they can rectify the situation or prevent it from happening in the future? >> although it's not a u.s. military system, hawaii's emergency management system, this is a lot like amber alert set up and better or for worse, now in technology can reach out people very quickly. within minutes, millions of people on the island of hawaiis had message saying the missile was inbound. in terms of investigation, they're going to have to go back in the logs and find out, interview all the people and something on the keyboard or is it more sinister and that is all
the systems are prone to hacks, outside actors, somebody trying to have a little bit of fun, great cost and we now to find out in hawaii how bad people were impacted, anybody drive off the road, anybody, you know, freak out at home and you also have pga golf tournament, people living their lives and also big events that go in hawaii around the clock. mike: in post 9/11 world you don't take things for granted, anything less than quite deadly serious and you can only imagine the panic people felt in hawaii. thankfully it was a false alarm, all kinds of information now to figure out how to prevent this from happening in the future. you don't want to cry golf from constituents and leave house, run, and then god forbid there's an attack of some sort, emergency at some point, you don't want people to say, it's
another false alarm. gillian: everybody because false sense when it comes to these kinds of alert that really do at the end of the day end up saving lives, protecting people, lucas made a really interesting chilling point that i hadn't thought of which is, perhaps this wasn't a mistake, perhaps this was some kind of motivated attack against the united states by an infiltrator, we don't know, this is just speculation, of course, at this hour but if this was not an accident, who is the perpetrator and how can they be stopped and how can this be -- how can we prevent this from happening again, it's very scary. mike: if you are just joining us, folks in hawaii woke up to alert on their phones telling them there was an emergency, perhaps an incoming missile, 35 minutes later, democratic congressman tulsi gabbard got the information that it was
false alarm and there's no incoming missile and there's no incoming missile and so the question is at this point, the breaking news trying to figure out why this happened, who is responsible, was it a mistake, was it a hacking, these days we don't feel like our personal information is secure and so it's a foreign actor or what caused this. >> lucas, i want to ask you while we still got you on the line here, we are hearing from u.s. pacific command, from the spokesperson, they are confirming that it was a false alarm, do you know -- do you have anything else on that, can you tell us what you're hearing from your sources? >> gillian, the u.s. pacific command is based in hawaii and they track all of north korea's ballistic launches and when they put out the statement, people with rest assure not only are actors, these are the guys and
women that you track this type of missile launches, they could make that judgment. gillian: while we have you, i want to get viewers the benefit of tapping into your expertise, can you tell us a word about pacific commands mission and what they do more broadly? >> the u.s. pacific command is the largest combatant command in the world leading the u.s. military, the pentagon has divided the world into different sections, the pacific, u.s. pacific command based in hawaii in pearl harbor runs all u.s. military operations, army, navy, air force, marines, in the entie pacific region, southern pacific, all the way to hawaii and parts of the pacific. so you're talking about hundreds of warships based in hawaii, you're talking about ships based -- gillian: lucas, we have to
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