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And we hadnt been able to get that meeting. and then the security hold came up, with no explanation. and i would be surprised if any of the ukrainians we discussed earli earlier solicited people for when they received no explanation for why that hold was in place, they would have draw that conclusion. >> because the investigations were still being pursued and the hold was remaining without explanation? >> correct. >> this, to you, was the only logical conclusion you could reach? >> correct. >> s...

Congratulatory letter from the president, saying he would meet him in may. we had not been able to get that meeting. then thege security hold came u. with no explanation. and i -- i would be surprised if any of the ukrainians -- we discussed earlier, sophisticated people, when they receive no explanation for why that hold was in place, they wouldnt have drawn that oconclusion. >> because theaw investigations were still being pursued and the hold was still remaining without explanation? >> utcorr...