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I should not even be going to communion, right? so the catholic church has to decide are we going to publicly they were now excommunicated? if thats going to be helpful for the soul of that person, lets go for it. if its going to be -- does that make sense? >> tucker: yes, and its certainly not my fight. let me just ask, give give it to me quickly, whats the case that you would make, a lot of people have kind of internalize the libertarian argument, its your body, you can do what you want, its a...

Communion. the catholic church has to decide, are we going to publicly say, you are now ex-communicated. if thats going to be a helpful for the soul of that person, lets go for it. does that make sense? >> tucker: whats the case that you would make? lot of people have internettized the libertarian argument and its your body and you can do what you want. i understand the argument. whats your response to that? >> well, im glad you brought that up. your previous guest said, this has to do with the ...

America public. >> dont blame all for some. fair point. when you say many sides, many sides, when you have white supremacists down there complaining about a confederate icon coming down, it does not speak to equivalency. it does not speak to a complex dynamic that needs to be measured. thats not what this was. i have to believe, ron, if i were asking you about it -- god forbid this happened in your district. i dont think you would have come out and said many sides. theres a lot of blame to go ar...

Happened with obama -- i hear it on the show all the time. theres plenty to. >> no equivalence is appropriate. >> you say we dont know whats going on. i get being measured. thats not what happened here. he had over a day. we knew what happened. we knew someone was dead and we knew who they had in custody and who the groups were. there was no reason to offer anything vague as a way of being measured. that doesnt make sense logically. >> chris, the most important thing you mentioned there was the ...

Refugees from the former soviet union? hes attacking a woman whose family fled the soviet union saying that vladimir putin may have some human rights issues. >> not only is it ugly, its dumb. it doesnt make sense logically. her family fled the soviet union so her bias would be -- >> so shes going to join us on the heels of her heated interview. first, jeffrey goldberg joins the table. "morning joe" comes right back.