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Many people seem, well, were here, so we want to close the door behind us. what does that say about you as a person? >> says everything. and all of it is a fallacy. you know, theyll say, hey, my ancestors did it right. i cant tell you how many italian-americans say that to me. you were allowed in, there was no quota. there was no obstacles except figuring out a way to get here, probably mortgaging yourself to your eyeballs, begging everybody you want. make you stow away on a ship. you had to get...

And im okay with the political argument. figure out what you want the process to be. dont lie about it and dont do this to kids. >> you talked about how your family came here as immigrants from italy. so many americans families came that way. their ancestors. my came over by force. >> yeah. >> but still, its, you know, most people who are in this country, who come from immigrant backgrounds, they came over. they didnt have a lot of money. they came over seeking a better life. the families werent...