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was born in the soviet union. finally, heather, the antinuclear weapon's group that won the nobel peace prize this year and was given the prize yesterday had a groom morning that total destruction of humanity was one impulsive away, heather. heather: thank you very much, amy, appreciate it. >> now to fox news alert back here at home, police reveal connection in four three-way shooting. hunt intensifying for whomever is opening fire on drivers among interstate 94. the hail of gunfire started last thursday. that driver shot in the leg, drivers targeted in more shootings saturday and managed to escape injury. also while you were sleeping, most destructive wild fire raging southern california,
beach as house and senate work together to join their separate tax bills, hopefully it's what they are trying to do. spectacular golf course, great day of fun playing with president trump, this as representative mccarthy say that is the gop is making great progress in the fight for tax reform. >> every step, what's happened with the markets, how many times have we set a new record in the stock market which i will say based upon the move we did with regulation and tax -- >> historic tax reform bill on the president's desk by christmas. countdown is on. action-packed week 15. eagles logging, in the fc title with win over the rams but their star quarterback could be done for the season. that's not good news, carson leaving in the third quarter
with knee injury and undergo mri today and ejected seattle seahawks player tried climbing into the stands charging at opposing fans following loss to jackson jill jaguars and yelling as things were being thrown at him and sunday might football coming to the wire, pittsburgh steelers claiming and snowy scene in buffalo so much snow that -- look, you barely see the field but the bills beat the colts 13-7. that is actually awesome. looks fun. a woman who live streamed the brutal beating of disabled trump -- president trump supporter is off the hook, why she won't spend a single day behind bars? >> don't let it bother.
heather: this is so sad, middle school student breaking down about being bullied. viral video catching eye of a-list celebrities. president trump putting fake news on notice with real facts about the booming economy and guests to explain why consumers and businesses are more optimistic than ever even if the mainstream media ignores it.
what the mainstream media is not covering, chair of the program and finance of finance in king's college brian brendberg. this is actually good news. we can take a look at the numbers in terms of consumer confidence, highest in 17 years. and unemployment the lowest it's been? >> you look at consumers and businesses, confidence levels tat highest levels we have seen, in decade 17 years people feel optimistic of economic future and that's not getting a lot of coverage in news media. >> we had the number of jobs created just in november 28,000? >> strong number, strong number in manufacturing, things are trending well on a number of fronts here, people feel good as they look to the future, they feel wages are going to go up which they will, that's been lagging a little bit. they feel job openings and we look at how people are spending
their money which i think is a good indicater of how people feel, they feel very good, they have optimistic about how things are going. >> you know who feels that things are not being covered appropriately, look at what he said, things are going really well for our economy, subject the fake news spends as little time as possible discussing market hitting record high, unemployment 17-year low, the companies coming back to usa, really good news and much more to come. another tweet talking about getting closer and closer on the tax cut bill, you can read what he had to say there. >> the news media, pundits like to pay attention to poll numbers, i'm an economist. i think that's a better indicater of how they feel. heather: you're an economist, we will listen to you. >> the president is right, people are voting with their dollars and does deserve the credit for that. he has set a positive tone, we want jobs back here, economic
growth, people are feeling that and responding to it and you're seeing it in job numbers. heather: set tone before he even came to office, something that he campaigned on and that's what we see happening. >> right after the election to high levels, they thought they were going to relief on things they needed relief on. they wanted fewer regulations. heather: with the tax cut plan to come house and senate to come to an agreement, how do you think it would impact numbers? >> i think it'll promote strong numbers in the year ahead. they have to get this done, he's promised a lot and set the right tone but they have to deliver now, they have to keep deregulating, continue to cut tacks, that's going to be important to sustain this, we have a good start, first quarter, heather, a lot of game to play. he in congress need to make sure they finish the job they started. >> he can't do it himself, he
has to have cooperation. >> the president has to act, they have to be on the same page, focused and disciplined on the agenda, 2018 would be a yet pri good year. we have seen them fall down on health care, they can't do that with tacks. >> shape up to be a pretty good year but we have the people on twitter and social media, doomsday is coming, enjoy it while you can. >> the future is unknown. you can always claim the sky is about to fall, all the economic indicators are pointing to continued strength, the only thing i would like to see is wage gains, with tax cuts and more economic growth you'll start to see that as well. heather: brian, thank you so much. we always love the good positive news, appreciate it. time now 16 minutes after the top of the hour and president trump putting fake news on blast calling it a stain on our nation but according to mainstream media it's a good thing.
>> mistakes are precisely the people should trust the media. process of bringing truth the life. heather: okay, does fake news make you trust the fake news media more, we report, you decide. >> we have to go. heather: college students kicked out of so-called safe space coffee shop for wearing make america great again hats, one of the students who call the height of hypocrisy joins us live next. cannot live without it.
>> i don't want people like you supporting this club. [inaudible conversations] >> you are wearing hats that -- >> all of you have to go. >> fascism. heather: well, a group of conservative college students kicked out of their campus coffee shop for wearing make america great again hats, they violated the so-called safe space policy. you heard some of the conversation there. campus reform correspondent aron spring was one of those students and joining us live. thank you for coming in early this morning. >> my pleasure, thanks for having me. heather: we were discussing whether or not you can wear your hat here but apparently the coffee shop you can't, is that what you were told? >> well, yes, the people who were wearing make america great again hats were told to leave
because they were wearing a make america great again hat after bought coffee, they were kicked out, a few people try to attack me for my american flag hat. i'm from new york and i stand my ground. it's a student-run shop and on the university campus. pride itself in being a safe space and saying that all are welcome to coffee shop so long, of course, you the same views as those who run the coffee shop, so it seems. heather: when they mentioned safe space, there are specific groups that they talk about being safe to come there, right? >> well, not specifically but in terms of who is not welcome are, i guess, people who support donald trump and people who support the make make america great again movement as we were directly quotes assaying we violated the safe space, apparently it's not a safe space for those types of people.
heather: i understand that they have safer space rules, they have do not make assumptions due to someone's gender, experiences, no racism, no sexism, no home -- homophobia but you can't be conservative, right? >> a lot of people in there are very nice, some of them were open-minded and welcomed us but the people who ran it and the president specifically of that club did not tolerate us and as you saw they kicked us out, they called us nazis, they were not tolerant of our view simply because we were conservatives. heather: they did give us a statement, there's no university safe space policy nor won that excludes any members of foreign community from spaces on basis of political views, the university is still investigating the incident and students who may have violated code of conduct will be met with appropriate student conduct process, does that satisfy you?
>> to some extent, i appreciate that fordham did that but overall i think it's up to groups like campus reform and people such as myself to continue to fight because in reality conservatives on college campuses are treated as second-class students and we need to rise up and fight for our rights. we have every right to as american to express this. heather: isn't that part of the reasons students go to college, young people go to college to be open to different and bearing viewpoints to learn from each other, seems like that's not happening these days more and more. >> no, absolutely, i think you are right. seems like the loudest voices are the most radical specially the far left. many liberals are tolerant on campus but like i said, the loudest and the most radical are the ones who seem to be running things and the ones who are treating us as second-class citizens and seemed to be getting their way and frankly quite ridiculous. heather: thank you for coming
and bringing this to attention, let us know what's happens. >> thank you very much for having me. heather: one of the black teenagers torturing disabled man live on facebook, remember this, one of the folks will not spend even one day behind bars. >> fuck donald trump. heather: this is crazy, britney sentenced to just 200 hours of community service and four years probation avoiding a 33-year prison sentence, the judge saying that he doesn't believe jail time would benefit the 19-year-old, the horrifying attack happened in chicago stream lived on facebook sparking nationwide outage, three other suspects charges have yet to be sentenced. message of support after young man crying over being bullied and gone viral.
>> if you are made fun of, you don't let it bother. they suck i guess, hard. heartbreaking, tennessee middle schooler say that is students call him ugly, they pour milk on him because he looks a little different. celebrities are reaching out. add me to your long list of friends keaton and dana white offering to bring him to vegas and bringing him to ufc headquarters, if keaton accepts the offer, i would honored to host family if they need some place to stay. the #i'm with keaton is trending. heather: a lot of us with you, keaton. democrats trying to hold the federal government hostage to
protect dreamers but president trump says no way. >> they are demanding amnesty as a condition for funding the government putting our national security at risk, we cannot allow it. heather: democrats really take it this far or are republicans once again playing politics, our panel up next to debate it.
>> he wrote, very little discussion of all the purposely false and defamatory stories put out this week by the fake news media, they are out of control, correct reporting means nothing to them, major lies written and forced to be withdrawn after they are exposed, a stain on america. all right, here is the timeline, first abc news correcting a brian ross report that accuses donald trump of donald trump making contact with russian officials and then cn, in that said donald trump and donald, jr. had received e-mail allowing them access to hacked documents from wikileaks before such documents were publicly available and finally, washington post reporter dave issued an apology to president trump for tweeting a photo of an empty arena prior to a trump rally in florida that had been taken hours before the event started. nevertheless some argue that
misreporting actually bolsters trust in the media, take a listen. >> mistakes are precisely the reason why they should trust the media. precisely occur in their effort, overzealous effort to be fair to the president. >> prompted donald trump, jr. to tweet out the following, so this week is precisely why people should trust the media, question mark, question mark, question mark. have you lost your mind, mainstream media happy getting narrative out there and forgetting about the truth, only did so with people large enough platforms to call them out, sadly, most don't have that. heather, the fake news conversation not going away. >> all right, todd joining us live, we will continue that conversation i'm sure. thank you. >> thank you. heather: we want to know from everyone at home, what do you think, does misreporting bolster trust in the media or does it hart it?
weigh in on facebook, send us e-mail to "fox & friends first".com. president trump taking a stance on far left to push immigration agenda. >> democrats in congress not only oppose efforts to stop illegal immigration and crack down on sanctuary cities, now they are demanding amnesty as a condition for funding the government, holding troop funding hostage and putting our national security at risk. we cannot allow it. >> so are democrats putting party ahead of the american people, here to debate former chief of staff to senator mike lee boyd and former candidates for chair of the dnc and fox news contributor, thank you both for joining us very early this morning. >> good morning. >> good morning, heather. >> is the democratic party stone walling when it comes to immigration?
>> absolutely not, heather, i think when you look at the, you know, original inception of the dream act decades ago and all of the conversations we've had about comprehensive immigration reform for anyone to say that there's a stalling, there's a real need for us to move forward and to stop using especially these dreamers as a political football as we have seen from this administration and as we have seen from previous administrations. i think these young people who no no other country by the united states of america who many of them have served in our military are wanting to contribute more than they already do to their communities, they need an answer. heather: nobody disagrees with that, right, boyd, even president trump gave them six moptsz to work something out in terms of daca and here we are.
>> leadership problem from both left and the right. one thing we know for sure, e-mail boxes is going to be flooded from emails from the left and the right with this issue. the problem is we are not having the real discussion, we are allowing the voices on both ends of this debate and it's one of those that, i think, should be done on the floor of the senate not connected to a spending bill, not connected to a continuing resolution but let's debate it on the merits because as you said, jamil would agree, this is something that we can get together on, these are people who have a lot of uncertainty that are getting political football back and forth as we go along and i think it's time to have a real conversation about immigration and how we really move the whole thing forward, not just the dreamers but broader things as well. heather: 800,000 young undocumented immigrants who have taken advantage of the daca program which is the deferred deportation program that barack obama created back in 2012, do
you agree there in terms of opening up the debate, having a public debate and taking this away from the spending bill? >> i think that on one hand we would hope that this would be able to have a discussion and decision outside of the spending bill but, heather, we have to be realistic here, this is politics and right now you've got republicans that control every single branch of the government and when you have the leader of the republican party really being the one who is standing in the way of getting a dream act passed -- heather: how is he standing in the way when he gave them six months to come to some sort of agreement? >> he didn't need to pull the program away under -- pulled the foundation and any sort of sense of stability out from under their feet. there certainly could have been a better legislative way of dealing with this and democrats have to, you know, use the only leverage that they may have on
this issue, that's how politics works, i hope that we can have both sides come together on this and we have to keep in mind this is not a fringe issue, this is something that john mccain was a champion on, one of the original champions and dozens of republican who is agree with this legislation. heather: including president trump who just wants something worked out in terms of allowing them to stay, but perhaps not a direct path to amnesty, that's where i believe there's discrepancy in terms of what people should think should happen. >> again, we have to quit tieing it to all the other things. every time we preat artificial cliff, we create massive bills that nobody reads and we can do better. we have to expect more from our politicians than what we are getting right now.
we have to expect more an not less. heather: expect more. that's a good way to end this. appreciate it it this morning. >> thanks, heather. 20 minutes until the top of the hour, white house hitting back at palestinian leader as protests rage after u.s. recognizes jerusalem as the capital of israel. we are there live up next. >> i hope to represent the people of the united states, not the president r. >> and olympic skier made headlines finish bashing the president, now could trip to games be in jeopardy altogether? last-minute shipping deadlines for making sure they make it by christmas, that's up next
futures of the digital currency surging more than 20% during market debut on the chicago board options exchange. well, the trading was so hot it had to be halted twice and then it crashed the market website. bitcoin's value started at $15,000 at days in, it was more than 17,000. and don't expect anything pricey under the tree this year, apparently instead you might actually get something like this. >> one-year membership of the club. >> clark, that's the gift that keeps on giving the whole year. heather: jelly club. new poll report that is many americans are pinching pennies and only 53% will buy a gift costing $50 or more and let's say that maybe they think they won't get a raise at work. and fox business alert for you, companies working overtime helping you and santa getting
gifts by christmas. if you're still shopping, you want to pay close attention to important deadlines, tracee carrasco from sister network fox business is here with everything we need to know to get all of our packages to where they need to be. tracee: that's right, workers at the u.s. postal service will be busy doubling as santa's elves over the next two weeks, if you want to make sure packages and holiday cards get to loved ones in time, we have a list of shipping deadlines and you want to make sure you check it twice. this thursday the 14th, deadline for retail ground shipping, saturday the 11th for military priority express, next tuesday the 19th, first-class mail and greeting card, next wednesday the 20th, priority mail and if you really want to push it, the 22nd is the last day for priority mail express. now the week of the 18th through
the 24th is expected to be the busiest mailing shipping and delivery week, the postal service is delivering packages on sundays in most major cities and anticipates delivering 6 million in this december. christmas falls on monday this year which you may need to budget more time for packages to arrive and don't forget to check deadlines for ups and fedex because they'll like lie be different, heather. heather: just as busy. tracee, thank you so much, appreciate it. heather: time now 15 minutes until the top of the hour and president trump following through with yet another campaign promise. >> i told you that we would be saying merry christmas again, right? [cheers and applause] heather: new poll shows that america wants to put christ back in christmas, our next guest pastor claims why the country is focusing on faith once again.
be diminishing come -- compared to what took place, demonstrators took to the streets denouncing president trump's recognition of jerusalem as israel's capital, outside of u.s. embassy in lebanon, tear gas to prevent from entering, protestors gathered outside the u.s. embassy there. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu meeting, the u.s. is trying to bring a new peace proposal to the table and reaffirm his support for president trump. >> i think what president trump has done is put facts squarely on the table, peace is based on reality, peace is based on recognitioning -- recognizing reality. >> mike pence is expected to visit the region.
it's unfortunate that palestinian authority is walk get away again from an opportunity to discuss the future of the region but the administration remaining undeterred in its efforts to help achieve peace and our peace team remains hard at work putting together a plan. the u.s. vice president, heather, plans to meet with the egyptian president as well as attend session of israeli parliament. back to you in new york. heather: david lee miller live for us this morning, thank you, david, appreciate it. well, president trump in the meantime calling for more religious values during the christmas season and now more americans apparently are agreeing. take a look at this new poll, 68% of americans feel christmas should be more about jesus with just 18% wanting more santa, so are we seeing a shift in this? here now to weigh in is the
pastor of infinity bible church in the bronx, thank you so much for joining us. >> so glad to be on. heather: what do you think about that? >> hey, jesus is a hero again, like he's always been. you could see with the culture right now morality is on the rise, we are taking on the issues of women, different things like that that you see and there's no better character for morality than gentlemen sis christ so i think a lot of people are looking at that and saying, man, we need to bring jesus back and this is a great time to do it. heather: what do you attribute the rising numbers to? >> i think, you know, it's a couple of issues, i think that over the years we have watched jesus be persecuted in schools, we don't want you to mention him, we don't want you to say anything about him, don't say merry christmas, happy holiday, i think they just push too far where right now you could see jesus on the rise, he's on the rise in films, he's on the rise
in people's lives, everywhere ago everybody has nativity scene on their lawn. that's a beautiful thing for our nation. heather: does that go hand in hand with morality? >> i think it totally does. i mean, we are looking at so many people that we thought were really, really great men that are unfortunately being pulled down for a lack of morality so it's a good focus to say, now, who is a fan that lived a credible dynamic life, served others, poured our life for others, cared for women and did all the other things that we desired, nobody better than jesus. heather: that's great, i can't even follow that up. next topic, well said. salvation army is being criticized. holy doughnut tieing with salvation army and criticized
because salvation army discriminates against the left - lgbt community? >> this happened in portland that has the naked race, 10,000 people running naked down the street. this is interesting place for cry for something like this. one of the things that i can say, salvation army is a church, people forget that has an arm to serve the nation, but one of the things -- i used to work for salvation army years ago, when they go, they never ask somebody what do you believe, do do you believe the way i do, no, they say you need help, we are here to serve you, i worked at a group home where i watched the salvation army serve people from every different backgrounds, lgbt, whether you are on drugs, whatever they, they welcomed you in, they loved you, so i don't know, holy doughnut wants to serve people around the world and serve the poor, salvation army could be a great partner for that.
heather: salvation army did issue a statement and say they do not in fact, discriminate. we will see what happens with that. >> you too. christmas green. you're doing it. heather: come back, appreciate it. time now six minutes until the top of the hour and president trump putting fake news on blast call it a stain on our nation, according to cnn it's a good thing. >> mistakes are precisely the people should trust the media. process of bringing truth to light. heather: does fake news make you trust more? stay with us.
protests, at least 16 players kneeling, sitting or raising a fist during national anthem on sunday. and the impact is now pretty evident as the prices plummet to unimaginable lows. tickets for buffalo bills game is as low as $2, my carolina panthers, $7, tickets for even the stadium's worst seats could cost you over 100. finally president trump railing against what he calls the fake news media following a series of reporting errors, the cnn pundits argue that misreporting actually bolsters trust in the media. your comments, of course, pouring in on this one, i never trusted them in the first place for years, all they have reported are cover-ups and lies, swrudy on facebook posting most of the media lie, i take their stories with a gain of salt and then ron on facebook writes t
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through the revolving door down here, there's a word that became -- a word i never heard of until this presidency when people were sort of struggling with how to describe this government of -- sort of fringe characters, people with resumes that did not usually enter into government service. and that word is chacistocracy. it points in this presidency, it's been an apt way to describe it. to paraphrase donald trump, they're not sending their best. and i think the evidence that you -- it's not a partisan point, you laid out the evidence there of an administration that is just filled with people who have either crossed ethical
lines or challenged norms that we have all upheld for decades in this country. and all being led by the president at the top who sets that tone. >> let's talk more about the swamp here, rudy giuliani says they have responded to mueller's latest proposal regarding an interview. these allegations should be over by september 1st, are they in a position to be calling the shots like that? >> no. nor would they even know what they're saying. we've had a series of those kinds of statements from giuliani, was going to be a couple weeks. we've had a series of the statements from trump starting back in june. i'm 100% ready to testify. and instead what we've received is this kind of tango between the two groups where giuliani and trump at least feign some kind of desire and willingness to sit down and answer some questions in some form.
not acting in anyway the way a witness or not to mention a suspect in a criminal probe would act. >> you don't believe them? you don't think he's going to sit down? you think they're feigning interest? >> i do think they're feigning, it's been that way for a long time. in part, though, i think it because i think it's not in trump's interest to sit down. not because it's a perjury trap, one of the two word trump slogans he throws about like drain the swamp or fake news, it's really hard to know what he means. but because he knows mueller seeks real answers to important questions. and mueller will have information that trump doesn't have. and it will put him in a precarious position if he has any vulnerability. >> the time has come then, i think this is an important question. the time has come now to subpoena the president? >> in a word, yes. i mean, i would never want to second guess robert mueller,
he's got impeccable judgment along with everything else, there has been some reason he's been staying his hand, but surely if the reason to stay his hand is that they'll be able to work out a deal. it's pretty clear that won't happen. it will have some delay to subpoena him. there will be a legal battle, but that's going to happen whenever he does it. you know, i think not only do we need it for the probe, but we need it for the country. we need to know what's happened, we need to know where trump -- what trump asserts, and we may never find out without his being forced in some way to give answers. >> let's bring you in now, laura. the president's team wants to limit what the special council can ask and saying that they would consider questions related to obstruction as long as they aren't perjury traps. if lose telling the truth, why does he need to worry about perjury? >> arrogance. you want to be arrogant enough
to dictate the terms of someone who holds a greater bargaining position than you do. i'm showing the court of public opinion, and maybe the court of law that i am being reasonable. i am negotiating in good faith here to try to voluntarily sit down and avert even a compulsion of a subpoena discussion in the court of law, it's mueller who is tieing my hands who is making it impossible for me to do what i know the american people and my leadership dictates that i do. but they're playing this game of good cop and bad cop, knowing that both are all in on the feigned exercise here. and when he tries to dictate the terms of the obstruction conversation, it alerts you to two things, don. number one, there is a real nearsightedness by the president of the united states legal team that says, this entire collusion probe is simply about whether the president of the united states has engaged in wrongful conduct at the tail end of the campaign. and also it shows you that his
fixation on the notion of obstruction is one that his own behavior continues to fuel. the only reason that aspect of the investigation has been prolonged is because he continues to tweet and engages in acts that make people say, i think a red flag has been lifted here about your own conduct. perhaps if he stopped talking about the issues, he would be able to have a more timely efficient close of the probe -- >> and what would we talk about? >> there's still plenty to talk about, because the president has an irresistible urge to do so. >> i was being snarky. >> those all fuel robert mueller's thirst to say, what is it you don't want me to see, that's the only thing i want to look at. >> i want to play this, this is -- what rudy giuliani said to trump's other lawyer. on jay seculo's radio show. >> we have now given him an answer you he should take a few
days to consider it. he has all the information he needs. the interview will provide everything that he has. >> it seems like that they are trying to delay or stop an interview at all costs. despite the president saying they want to get over it. >> everything that giuliani and seculo's public lawyers, everything they say has to be viewed through the prism of what giuliani has said previously. and that is one. mueller cannot indict the president. he alleges that mueller has told them that. this will only play out. the only possible consequences for trump would be in congress in an impeachment setting. this is not -- to them, it's not a normal criminal case a normal
criminal defense attorney would not be out there playing these kinds of games, these -- giuliani knows his clients. he believes this, if it's true, mueller's never said this publicly. that he cannot be indicted. so that is a huge ace that they hold, knowing that mueller can never indict the president. knowing that the only forum is going to be congress and impeachment. so they can turn this into a completely political battle. >> did it escape any of you that the president's attorney has a radio show? >> and he invited his other private attorney to be on. you discussed the conversations you probably had with your client it's not that you can't ever indict a president period it's a sitting president. the idea you could cause there to be an indictment is key here. i think robert muler is keenly aware of that particular aspect of it.
>> stick around, everyone, we'll get you in on the other side, harry. despite demanding an end to this russia investigation. dragging out negotiations with mueller through the november midterms could boost republican candidates at the polls. we'll talk about that next. ♪ ♪ ♪ raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens ♪ ♪ bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens ♪ ♪ brown paper packages tied up with strings ♪ ♪ these are a few of my favorite things ♪ ♪ ♪
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twist in defense of the president, it could be done by labor day. the president's attorney seems to be supporting a new strategy tonight. lit's talk about rudy, shall we? i promise you the first response -- rudy giuliani is telling cnn it could benefit if if mueller's investigation are. >> even if the president gives an interview, mueller won't know anything more than he already knows. he's asserting literally there's no more to know, there's no what did you say you told jim comey? or when did you find out about the russia meeting? or why did you get so angry at jeff sessions and what did you say? these are the critical core questions for judging his state of mind. and giuliani seeks to put them
off the table. i do think if it drags on. the probe hangs over him and it obviously creates a kind of cloud. on the other hand if the report comes out and it's damning, then that will be the kind of record that is taken in to the midterms. it could be that he'll already have begun to pivot, i think time probably favors mueller over trump at this point. >> i think the strategy, though, ryan is that giuliani thinks it's going to energize the gop voters, people are getting tired of it, or it will betray trump as a put upon figure that should -- everyone is out to get him. is he right. >> they're turning mueller into this person who's unfairly out to target trump. the whole witch hunt rhetoric and all that. and i don't know if he's right
about that, it probably depends on the race and the demographics of the district you're talking about, some republicans don't want to talk about this issue at all, others have leaned into it more and talked about it, if you look at that ohio race last night, the special election, neither candidate was really hot on the russia issue, they talked about tax cuts and medicare and bread and butter issues. i do think -- my own view is, it would be good for the country if this report -- if mueller's going to write a report that's going to become public. wouldn't that be great if we had that before election day. and the country would know all the facts and there wouldn't be this issue hanging over trump. we would actually -- voters could go to the polls understanding that the make-up of how important the make-up of congress was going to be. if they thought the mueller probe was bs, they could keep the republicans around, if they thought it was serious and only a new democratic congress could
rectify the situation. i have to ask you. do you think mueller's considering the impact of all this might have on the midterms in november? >> i think he's required to consider the impact of every major prosecution on elections. the doj policy is that you're not supposed to engage in a prosecution that could impact an election. which assumes the person you may be targeting would be on the ballot. that's not the case here for president trump. he's not on the ballot, not a member of his campaign team. so it would be assuming that the doj policy is that one should not prosecute or pursue prosecution of anyone, even if the people who are targets or subjects would have no bearing on the actual ballot initiative. it's a big assumption he would make. >> you think it's a red herring? >> i think it's a very big red herring. the reason giuliani is pointing to september is because of early voting. there are states around the
nation that have early voting beginning in september. which ironically is one of the things that many of the voter fraud commission did not enjoy about having the early access to the polgs, and now they are aware, keenly aware that the early elections will have some impact on mueller's consideration of how long to continue this probe. >> do you really think, ryan, witch hunt whatever happens out of the mueller investigation. do you think that's going to -- that won't really change anything when it comes to the base? the target audience here, i think in the court of public opinion. i guess maybe to keep the space energized would be interest and it would be people that you could possibly peel off from the democratic party, right? >> i mean i guess i still believe, maybe i'm naive, if mueller finds evidence of a crime, that republicans, that there is a chance that republicans would change their
views about the investigation. remember, in watergate, i mean, people defended -- republicans defended nixon after a lot of very incriminating evidence had built up. even after john dean's testimony, right? his own white house council came out against him and said he as a crook. we don't believe dean. nobody -- things didn't turn until you had the smoking gun tape. and so -- i'm not saying that mueller has that. i still -- i do believe there is some red line at some point that could be triggered in the investigation. and we won't know that until mueller reveals all he knows. >> until we get to that red line. harry, giuliani and trump's legal team they keep using this phrase, perjury trap. we talked a little bit about this before. they do it because they're trying to raise questions about mueller's tactics, right? >> that's part of it, i think it is a kind of slogan that revs the base up.
i agree with the point that ryan just made, that we're really talking about trying to have an impact on the sort of margin of people who can actually be persuaded to think twice about it, they bandy it around. and god knows what they think it means, it's certainly nobody proposes here to treat him different from other witnesses who come in and give the facts about what they knew and what happened. and when they knew it. a perjury trap if it means anything is a sort of setup just to play gotcha with a factual question. these are the deep questions that are front and center in this criminal investigation. they have been for over a year. and mueller's been stymied in trying to get to them by trump. if you think for just a second of the kinds of questions trump will be asked, i think you have to dismiss the idea that it could ever be a perjury trap. >> they're really rolling the dice when it comes to the
subpoena thing. if he is subpoena, he doesn't have the opportunity -- i have to get to the break. his attorneys won't be in there with limb, right? >> they could make a compromise. and they have in the past, certainly he can't try to set the rules as he's doing now. >> thank you all. appreciate your time. when we come back, the new york congressman accused of insider trading who could face up to 150 years in prison if he's convicted. chris collins not only denying the charngs, but insisting he's going to run for office again. crabfest is back at red lobster,
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they could avoid losing hundreds of thousands of dollars. >> good evening, it's so good to have you on. i want to read. let me give you the time line here before we talk about it. keep in mind this is all happening on white house grounds. collins gets an e-mail from the ceo of the company saying the drug failed clinical trials. six minutes later, collins tries to call his son cameron, making contact after four attempts. cameron contacts his future mother-in-law, who tells her broker to dump the stock. the next morning cameron dumps over 16,000 shares of the company. so when you see it all laid out like that, does it seems like collins and his attorneys have an uphill climb here? what do you see when you look at that time line? >> well, it's clear don that
these allegations are very serious, and that chris collins is going to have a tough time, and his family, going-forward, now, we have to operate under the presumption of innocence. doj is -- they've indicted him, that will trigger the house ethics committee to act. they will empanel an investigation subcommittee. the department of justice will call the subcommittee and say, please defer the matter to us. the committeep likely honor that request. right now chris collins is going to be in for a really rough road here, there's no question about it, he's been stripped of his seat on the energy and commerce committee as i understand it, so he's going to have to -- he's going to have to fight this out in court. his bigger problem is that the doj problem, the criminal charges and the ethics issue. if he were to plead guilty or if he were to be convicted. then it would be expected he
would resign. if not, the ethics committee would take that up as a matter of an expulsion. we had a situation here in philadelphia, chaka fattah. he's in prison now on misdeeds. many have speculated about my relationship. here are the simple facts, my connections with the company are well known. i believe i acted properly and within the law, at all times with regard to my affiliation with anate. throughout my tenure in congress, very followed all rules and all ethical guidelines, when it comes to my personal investments, including those with innate. >> he denies wrongdoing, says he's going to run for re-election. if he deflies it, and he's not guilty, fine, but he's not going to -- he's going to run for re-election, do you think that's a mistake in. >> well, i wouldn't.
i mean, he's going to be spending a whole lot of time and effort just trying to defend himself and clear his name. again, he's entitled to the presumption of innocence, he's done nothing wrong. he's going to have to make that case in court. he may or may not prevail. i'd rather not have to deal with a political campaign simultaneously while i'm fighting this battle for my life legally speaking. >> that's a lot on his plate. he did say he's not going to speak about there publicly. the only time he would do it is in a court of law or with his attorneys, as far as the public, in front of the media, he's not going to talk about this investigation. you were on the house ethics committee back in october of 2017, when it was announced that collins was being investigated for insider trading allegations. that investigation is on going, how far along had that investigation come before you stepped down from congress? >> i was no longer on the committee in october of 2017. i had been term limited out, i
finished my term january 1st of 2017, i was not involved with that investigation. what you're referring to, there was -- the office of congress ap ethics took up this matter and they were reviewing it prior to that indictment. all they can do is make a recommendation to the house ethics committee. it can either further investigate the matter or dismiss the matter, that's all it can do. and the office of congressional edge ithics that is not underta this review, does not have the ability to sanction. there are four sanctions that the house can impose on a member. expulsion, and there have been five or six expulsions in the history of the house. three or four were during the civil war for treason. a member can be censured, reprimanded or a letter of approval. that is all the house can do.
ethical matters are not criminal matters, we're dealing with violations of house rules here. an ethical matter can become a criminal matter if not handled properly. chris collins biggest issue is with the department of justice and this criminal investigation. that's what's going to really make or break him at the end of the day. >> thank you, don. great to you with you. >> i think about all the controversy that has surrounded the va over the last few years or so. over the last few years, when we come back, there's an absolutely shocking report that shows the president's friends and members of his private club are making major policy and personnel decisions for the va. the reporter who broke this story joins me next to explain how the mar-a-lago crowd is running the department of veteran affairs. l. 1, cover 2, define 3, enhance buildable, blendable formulas.
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president trump's efforts to improve the department of veterans athey'res under new strutny tonight. a stunning new report which has been confirmed tonight by cnn, reveals that an unelected informal council of president trump's friends is exerting influence over the va. they're identified as ike perlmutter, the chairman of marvel entertainment. none of them has served in the u.s. military or government. they are all members of the president's mar-a-lago club. i want to bring in isaac, who broke this story. it's so good to have you on. this is fascinating and a great piece of reporting. >> thank you. >> your reporting reveals the three wealthy bhen use trump's club as their home base and they've come to be known to va officials as the mar-a-lago crowd. here's what you write, they spoke with the officials daily, the documents show reviewing all
manner of policy and personnel decisions. everyone has to go down and kiss the ring, the normer administration official said. stunning, walk us through that. >> well, it's a very unusual situation for the past year and a half. there are these three guys in mar-a-lago. an entertainment executive as a shadow leadership for the department of veteran's affairs. they don't have any official role in government, they've been doing this without any accountability or transparency. very few people outside the va had any idea this was going on. >> who gave them the authority to do this? >> the president. you think back to the transition, there was a period
where trump was asking a bunch of his rich friends to get involved. there was a time where carl icon was going to do deregulation, and rudy giuliani was going to do cyber security. perlmutter said, i'll help you fix the va, so then perlmutter got sherman and moscowitz involved. unlike these other guys who sort of tide away, this one has not only continued but deepened to the point that they managed to stack the leadership of the agency with people who were loyal to them because anyone who didn't get along with them got pushed out or pushed over. >> what expertise do any of these men have, in veteran's issues or running of the va. >> that is the exact question that va officials have been asking themselves for the past years. what business do these guys have
telling us what to do with veterans policy. and the answer is they have the president's ear. that's what matters. >> if the bureaucracy resists the trio's wishes, perlmutter has a powerful ally, the president of the united states. what's the extent of their relationship. >> they talk on the phone regularly, and they'll have dinner when trump is down in mar-a-lago, and whenever something veterans related comes to trump's attention the first one he's going to call is perlmutter. everyone knows that, so no one wants to pick that fight. they know they're going to lose. >> va officials who clashed with the mar-a-lago crowd, they were pushed out. that includes a former va secretary david shulkin.
he left the agency in march because he had ethics problems. they grew frustrated with shulkin after disagreeing with various issues, fill us in on what happened. >> over time at the beginning they had sort of an uneasy relationship with shulkin. they met him before he was confirmed. from the beginning they said, we don't have to meet every month, but we're going to talk regularly, and shulkin you could tem from these e-mails i obtained, could you tell he didn't really love the idea of these guys telling them how to do his job. and over time they grew frustrated with him as well, they thought he should be listening to them and he wasn't. what ended up happening was, there were other political appointees at the va who had a political disagreement with shulkin, they teamed up with the mar-a-lago crowd, and that ended up contributing to his downfall. >> i want to get your response
to this. we offered voluntary advice, seeking nothing in return. we were always willing to share our thoughts, we did not implement any type of policy, possess any authority over agency -- they're downplaying their influence saying they were just trying to help. >> right. and they're saying that, well, we were providing advice and that was always optional. can you see from the e mails that are quoted in the article, that's not how it was received by the va officials when the mar-a-lago crowd said they wanted something done a certain way. everyone understood it had to be that way or else their jobs were in jeopardy because they were representing themselves as speaking on behalf of the white house. or representing the president's agenda. >> i want you to stick around for this next segment, when we come back, the former head of the government ethics office
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worst-case scenario of a smoke-filled room full of rich guys making decisions and pulling strings like puppet masters. and the worst part is, if it wasn't for isaac's work here, e we wouldn't even know about it. and this is precisely the thing that there are lows to prevent. there's a federal advisory committee act that requires you to follow very strict spread year procedures for transparency when you're seeking information from outside groups and the antithesis of following that law is having a smoke-filled room with some cabal of rich guys sitting around a resort in florida making decisions that going to affect veterans and essentially running a 370,000-person agency. the other thing is by counting on these private individuals to do this, you're essentially running the government through people who are not subject to the government ethics laws. >> yeah. >> there was actually some olc,
office of legal counsel, government justice, if you're wielding government power you can be deemed governmental and subjected to those laws. now, i haven't seen anyone actually prosecuted under that but, boy, i would love to see that with these guys. >> well, isaac, let me ask you, do you get any indication after owl your reporting that the three men are standing down or pulling back? >> no. we'll have to see how they respond to this article and now that the house democrats on the veterans' committee are starting an investigation and one of the members is callinging if a hearing on this. we'll see how that goes and we have to see, there's -- it's ce true in the time since shulkin was fired, their involvement has increased. has not decreased. >> so, i heard you say, you know, that you would like to see a certain law, rule, tested, walter, but in the past,
presidents have relied on unofficial kitchen cabinets, but you've never seen anything in outside advisers so specifically involved in one agency? >> no. this administration keeps delivering firsts that we could just never have manned. imagined. it's one thing for the president to wall up somebody say know, ask them, gee, what go you think of this situation i'm dealing with? it's another thing for these people to be able to show up, require the v.a. employees to come down and meet with them and essentially kiss the ring as isaac put it in his story or take their phone calls or e-mails and be giving themselins instructions. that's a shadow government because they're making decisions that affect things. the other thing to keep in mind is they're essentially -- i can't imagine if any of these three gentlemen called up trump
tomorrow, said, i'm quitting the club but would like to keep running the v. sava. that he'd l be relying on them. here's a bunch of guys who paid the president for the right to push around the v.a. a 370,000-person agency. >> that is a very good point. walter, thank you. isaac, thank you as well. i appreciate it. >> thank you. when we come back, senator rand paul is in russia today where he personally delivered to the russian government a letter from president trump to vladimir putin. but he and the white house have different explanations as to what's in the letter. it's the ford summer sales event and now is the best time to buy. you ready for this, junior? yeah, i think i can handle it. no pressure... ...that's just my favorite boat. boom. (laughs) make summer go right with ford, america's best-selling brand. and get our best deal of the summer: zero percent financing for sixty months on f-150.
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swamp of washington, we're going to have fun doing it, we're all doing it together. >> when it comes to washington, d.c., it is time to drain the swamp. >> not only has that swamp not been drained, this administration is building all over it i know that chris collins is a congressman and a trump supporter, he's not a member of this administration, trump told us he was going to build his administration out of the very best people. it hasn't exactly turned out that way. let's start now with trump's first national security adviser. that's michael flynn. who was fired by the way, and then he pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi about his contacts with russians before trump's inauguration. his contacts with russians before the inauguration.
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potential clients as a consultant. due to his proximity to the most powerful man in the world about that aside from cohen's regular day job before the president densecy where he opened up llc's and pretended to hide payments on behalf of the president. and, of course, trump's former campaign chairman mr. paul manafort is as we speak on trial in virginia. on multiple tax and bank fraud charges. mart of robert mueller's on going investigation. the star witness against him another trump campaign official who western the on to serve inside the white house. that's rick gates. what was that line again? >> we're going to make america great again. we're going to use our best people. >> i'm going to get the best people. we're going to deliver, we're going to get the best people in the world.
we don't want people that are b level, c level, d level. we have to get our absolute best. >> we're going to use our smartest and our best. we're not using political hacks any more. it's a sophisticated chess match, but i have the best people lined up. you need people that are truly, truly capable. we have to get the best people. >> best people to drain the swamp. cnn legal analyst lauren coats. and harry lip man a former u.s. attorney. good evening, everyone. let's talk about draining the swamp, and getting the best people. what happened to the best people and draining the swamp. >> i mean, the swamp as you pointed out did not get drained. the creatures just rotated through the revolving door down here, there's a word that became -- a word i never heard of until this presidency when people were sort of struggling with how to describe this government of -- sort of fringe characters, people with resumes that did not usually enter into
government service. and that word is chacistocracy. it points in this presidency, it's been an apt way to describe it. to paraphrase donald trump, they're not sending their best. and i think the evidence that you -- it's not a partisan point, you laid out the evidence there of an administration that is just filled with people who have either crossed ethical lines or challenged norms that we have all upheld for decades in this country. and all being led by the president at the top who sets that tone. >> let's talk more about the swamp here, rudy giuliani says they have responded to mueller's latest proposal regarding an interview. these allegations should be over by september 1st, are they in a position to be calling the shots like that? >> no. nor would they even know what they're saying. we've had a series of those kinds of statements from giuliani, was going to be a couple weeks. we've had a series of the statements from trump starting
back in june. i'm 100% ready to testify. and instead what we've received is this kind of tango between the two groups where giuliani and trump at least feign some kind of desire and willingness to sit down and answer some questions in some form. not acting in anyway the way a witness or not to mention a suspect in a criminal probe would act. >> you don't believe them? you don't think he's going to sit down? we've had a series of the statements from trump starting back in june. i'm 100% ready to testify. and instead what we've received is this kind of tango between the two groups where giuliani and trump at least feign some kind of desire and willingness to sit down and answer some questions in some form. not acting in anyway the way a
witness or not to mention a suspect in a criminal probe would act. >> you don't believe them? you don't think he's going to sit down? you think they're feigning interest? >> i do think they're feigning, it's been that way for a long time. in part, though, i think it because i think it's not in trump's interest to sit down. not because it's a perjury trap, one of the two word trump slogans he throws about like drain the swamp or fake news, it's really hard to know what he means. but because he knows mueller seeks real answers to important questions. and mueller will have information that trump doesn't have. and it will put him in a precarious position if he has any vulnerability. >> the time has come then, i think this is an important question. the time has come now to subpoena the president? >> in a word, yes. i mean, i would never want to second guess robert mueller, he's got impeccable judgment along with everything else, there has been some reason he's been staying his hand, but
surely if the reason to stay his hand is that they'll be able to work out a deal. it's pretty clear that won't happen. it will have some delay to subpoena him. there will be a legal battle, but that's going to happen whenever he does it. you know, i think not only do we need it for the probe, but we need it for the country. we need to know what's happened, we need to know where trump -- what trump asserts, and we may never find out without his being forced in some way to give answers. >> let's bring you in now, laura. the president's team wants to limit what the special council can ask and saying that they would consider questions related to obstruction as long as they aren't perjury traps. if lose telling the truth, why does he need to worry about perjury? >> arrogance. you want to be arrogant enough to dictate the terms of someone who holds a greater bargaining
and also it shows you that his fixation on the notion of obstruction is one that his own behavior continues to fuel. the only reason that aspect of the investigation has been prolonged is because he continues to tweet and engages in acts that make people say, i think a red flag has been lifted here about your own conduct. perhaps if he stopped talking about the issues, he would be able to have a more timely efficient close of the probe -- >> and what would we talk about? >> there's still plenty to talk about, because the president has an irresistible urge to do so. >> i was being snarky. >> those all fuel robert mueller's thirst to say, what is it you don't want me to see, that's the only thing i want to look at. >> i want to play this, this is -- what rudy giuliani said to trump's other lawyer. on jay seculo's radio show. >> we have now given him an answer you he should take a few days to consider it. he has all the information he needs. the interview will provide everything that he has. >> it seems like that they are trying to delay or stop an interview at all costs. despite the president saying
completely political battle. >> did it escape any of you that the president's attorney has a radio show? >> and he invited his other private attorney to be on. you discussed the conversations you probably had with your client it's not that you can't ever indict a president period it's a sitting president. the idea you could cause there to be an indictment is key here. i think robert muler is keenly aware of that particular aspect of it. >> stick around, everyone, we'll get you in on the other side, harry. despite demanding an end to this russia investigation. dragging out negotiations with mueller through the november midterms could boost republican candidates at the polls. we'll talk about that next. rudy giuliani offering a new twist in defense of the president, it could be done by labor day. the president's attorney seems to be supporting a new strategy tonight. lit's talk about rudy, shall we? i promise you the first response -- rudy giuliani is
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i promise you the first response -- rudy giuliani is telling cnn it could benefit if if mueller's investigation are. >> even if the president gives an interview, mueller won't know anything more than he already knows. he's asserting literally there's no more to know, there's no what did you say you told jim comey? or when did you find out about the russia meeting? or why did you get so angry at jeff sessions and what did you say? these are the critical core questions for judging his state of mind. and giuliani seeks to put them off the table. i do think if it drags on. the probe hangs over him and it obviously creates a kind of cloud. on the other hand if the report comes out and it's damning, then that will be the kind of record that is taken in to the midterms. it could be that he'll already have begun to pivot, i think time probably favors mueller over trump at this point. >> i think the strategy, though, ryan is that giuliani thinks
it's going to energize the gop voters, people are getting tired of it, or it will betray trump as a put upon figure that should -- everyone is out to get him. is he right. >> they're turning mueller into this person who's unfairly out to target trump. the whole witch hunt rhetoric and all that. and i don't know if he's right about that, it probably depends on the race and the demographics
of the district you're talking about, some republicans don't want to talk about this issue at all, others have leaned into it more and talked about it, if you look at that ohio race last night, the special election, neither candidate was really hot on the russia issue, they talked about tax cuts and medicare and bread and butter issues. i do think -- my own view is, it would be good for the country if this report -- if mueller's going to write a report that's going to become public. wouldn't that be great if we had that before election day. and the country would know all the facts and there wouldn't be this issue hanging over trump. we would actually -- voters could go to the polls understanding that the make-up of how important the make-up of congress was going to be. if they thought the mueller probe was bs, they could keep the republicans around, if they thought it was serious and only a new democratic congress could rectify the situation. i have to ask you. do you think mueller's
considering the impact of all this might have on the midterms in november? >> i think he's required to consider the impact of every major prosecution on elections. the doj policy is that you're not supposed to engage in a prosecution that could impact an election. which assumes the person you may be targeting would be on the ballot. that's not the case here for president trump. he's not on the ballot, not a member of his campaign team. so it would be assuming that the doj policy is that one should not prosecute or pursue prosecution of anyone, even if the people who are targets or subjects would have no bearing on the actual ballot initiative. it's a big assumption he would make. >> you think it's a red herring? >> i think it's a very big red herring. the reason giuliani is pointing to september is because of early voting. there are states around the nation that have early voting beginning in september.
which ironically is one of the things that many of the voter fraud commission did not enjoy about having the early access to the polgs, and now they are aware, keenly aware that the early elections will have some impact on mueller's consideration of how long to continue this probe. >> do you really think, ryan, witch hunt whatever happens out of the mueller investigation. do you think that's going to -- that won't really change anything when it comes to the base? the target audience here, i think in the court of public opinion. i guess maybe to keep the space energized would be interest and it would be people that you could possibly peel off from the democratic party, right? >> i mean i guess i still believe, maybe i'm naive, if mueller finds evidence of a crime, that republicans, that there is a chance that republicans would change their views about the investigation. remember, in watergate, i mean, people defended -- republicans defended nixon after a lot of
very incriminating evidence had built up. even after john dean's testimony, right? his own white house council came out against him and said he as a crook. we don't believe dean. nobody -- things didn't turn until you had the smoking gun tape. and so -- i'm not saying that mueller has that. i still -- i do believe there is some red line at some point that could be triggered in the investigation. and we won't know that until mueller reveals all he knows. >> until we get to that red line. harry, giuliani and trump's legal team they keep using this phrase, perjury trap. we talked a little bit about this before. they do it because they're trying to raise questions about mueller's tactics, right? >> that's part of it, i think it is a kind of slogan that revs the base up. i agree with the point that ryan just made, that we're really talking about trying to have an impact on the sort of margin of
people who can actually be persuaded to think twice about it, they bandy it around. and god knows what they think it means, it's certainly nobody proposes here to treat him different from other witnesses who come in and give the facts about what they knew and what happened. and when they knew it. a perjury trap if it means anything is a sort of setup just to play gotcha with a factual question. these are the deep questions that are front and center in this criminal investigation. they have been for over a year. and mueller's been stymied in trying to get to them by trump. if you think for just a second of the kinds of questions trump will be asked, i think you have to dismiss the idea that it could ever be a perjury trap. >> they're really rolling the dice when it comes to the subpoena thing. if he is subpoena, he doesn't have the opportunity -- i have to get to the break. his attorneys won't be in there with limb, right? >> they could make a compromise. and they have in the past,
certainly he can't try to set the rules as he's doing now. >> thank you all. appreciate your time. when we come back, the new york congressman accused of insider trading who could face up to 150 years in prison if he's convicted. chris collins not only denying the charngs, but insisting he's going to run for office again. crabfest is back at red lobster, with our largest variety of crab all year! like new crabfest combo. your one chance to have new jumbo snow crab with tender dungeness crab. or try crab lover's dream. but hurry in. 'cause crabfest will be gone in a snap. i knew at that exact moment ... i'm beating this. my main focus was to find a team of doctors. it's not just picking a surgeon, it's picking the care team and feeling secure in where you are. visit cancercenter.com/breast your society was dearled by a woman, who governed thousands... commanded armies...
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father-in-law pleading not guilty to fraud. collins is accused of receiving early word of a failed drug trial while attending the 2017 congressional picnic at the white house. warning friends and family so they could avoid losing hundreds of thousands of dollars. >> good evening, it's so good to have you on. i want to read. let me give you the time line here before we talk about it. keep in mind this is all happening on white house grounds. collins gets an e-mail from the ceo of the company saying the drug failed clinical trials. six minutes later, collins tries
to call his son cameron, making contact after four attempts. cameron contacts his future mother-in-law, who tells her broker to dump the stock. the next morning cameron dumps over 16,000 shares of the company. so when you see it all laid out like that, does it seems like collins and his attorneys have an uphill climb here? what do you see when you look at that time line? >> well, it's clear don that these allegations are very serious, and that chris collins is going to have a tough time, and his family, going-forward, now, we have to operate under the presumption of innocence. doj is -- they've indicted him, that will trigger the house ethics committee to act. they will empanel an investigation subcommittee. the department of justice will call the subcommittee and say, please defer the matter to us.
the committeep likely honor that request. right now chris collins is going to be in for a really rough road here, there's no question about it, he's been stripped of his seat on the energy and commerce committee as i understand it, so he's going to have to -- he's going to have to fight this out in court. his bigger problem is that the doj problem, the criminal charges and the ethics issue. if he were to plead guilty or if he were to be convicted. then it would be expected he would resign. if not, the ethics committee would take that up as a matter of an expulsion. we had a situation here in philadelphia, chaka fattah. he's in prison now on misdeeds. many have speculated about my relationship. here are the simple facts, my connections with the company are well known. i believe i acted properly and within the law, at all times with regard to my affiliation with anate. throughout my tenure in congress, very followed all rules and all ethical
guidelines, when it comes to my personal investments, including those with innate. >> he denies wrongdoing, says he's going to run for re-election. if he deflies it, and he's not guilty, fine, but he's not going to -- he's going to run for re-election, do you think that's a mistake in. >> well, i wouldn't. i mean, he's going to be spending a whole lot of time and effort just trying to defend himself and clear his name. again, he's entitled to the presumption of innocence, he's done nothing wrong. he's going to have to make that case in court. he may or may not prevail. i'd rather not have to deal with a political campaign simultaneously while i'm fighting this battle for my life legally speaking. >> that's a lot on his plate. he did say he's not going to speak about there publicly. the only time he would do it is in a court of law or with his attorneys, as far as the public,
in front of the media, he's not going to talk about this investigation. you were on the house ethics committee back in october of 2017, when it was announced that collins was being investigated for insider trading allegations. that investigation is on going, how far along had that investigation come before you stepped down from congress? >> i was no longer on the committee in october of 2017. i had been term limited out, i finished my term january 1st of 2017, i was not involved with that investigation. what you're referring to, there was -- the office of congress ap ethics took up this matter and they were reviewing it prior to that indictment. all they can do is make a recommendation to the house ethics committee. it can either further investigate the matter or dismiss the matter, that's all it can do. and the office of congressional
ethics that is not undertaking this review, does not have the ability to sanction. there are four sanctions that the house can impose on a member. expulsion, and there have been five or six expulsions in the history of the house. three or four were during the civil war for treason. a member can be censured, reprimanded or a letter of approval. that is all the house can do. ethical matters are not criminal matters, we're dealing with violations of house rules here. an ethical matter can become a criminal matter if not handled properly. chris collins biggest issue is with the department of justice and this criminal investigation. that's what's going to really make or break him at the end of the day. >> thank you, don. great to you with you. >> i think about all the controversy that has surrounded the va over the last few years or so. over the last few years, when we come back, there's an absolutely shocking report that shows the
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broke this story. it's so good to have you on. this is fascinating and a great piece of reporting. >> thank you. >> your reporting reveals the three wealthy bhen use trump's club as their home base and they've come to be known to va officials as the mar-a-lago crowd. here's what you write, they spoke with the officials daily, the documents show reviewing all manner of policy and personnel decisions. everyone has to go down and kiss the ring, the normer administration official said. stunning, walk us through that. >> well, it's a very unusual situation for the past year and a half. there are these three guys in mar-a-lago. an entertainment executive as a shadow leadership for the department of veteran's affairs. they don't have any official role in government, they've been
doing this without any accountability or transparency. very few people outside the va had any idea this was going on. >> who gave them the authority to do this? >> the president. you think back to the transition, there was a period where trump was asking a bunch of his rich friends to get involved. there was a time where carl icon was going to do deregulation, and rudy giuliani was going to do cyber security. perlmutter said, i'll help you fix the va, so then perlmutter got sherman and moscowitz involved. unlike these other guys who sort of tide away, this one has not only continued but deepened to the point that they managed to stack the leadership of the agency with people who were loyal to them because anyone who didn't get along with them got pushed out or pushed over. >> what expertise do any of these men have, in veteran's issues or running of the va.
>> that is the exact question that va officials have been asking themselves for the past years. what business do these guys have telling us what to do with veterans policy. and the answer is they have the president's ear. that's what matters. >> if the bureaucracy resists the trio's wishes, perlmutter has a powerful ally, the president of the united states. what's the extent of their relationship. >> they talk on the phone regularly, and they'll have dinner when trump is down in mar-a-lago, and whenever something veterans related comes to trump's attention the first one he's going to call is perlmutter. everyone knows that, so no one wants to pick that fight. they know they're going to lose. >> va officials who clashed with
the mar-a-lago crowd, they were pushed out. that includes a former va secretary david shulkin. he left the agency in march because he had ethics problems. they grew frustrated with shulkin after disagreeing with various issues, fill us in on what happened. >> over time at the beginning they had sort of an uneasy relationship with shulkin. they met him before he was confirmed. from the beginning they said, we don't have to meet every month, but we're going to talk regularly, and shulkin you could tem from these e-mails i obtained, could you tell he didn't really love the idea of these guys telling them how to do his job. and over time they grew
frustrated with him as well, they thought he should be listening to them and he wasn't. what ended up happening was, there were other political appointees at the va who had a political disagreement with shulkin, they teamed up with the mar-a-lago crowd, and that ended up contributing to his downfall. >> i want to get your response to this. we offered voluntary advice, seeking nothing in return. we were always willing to share our thoughts, we did not implement any type of policy, possess any authority over agency -- they're downplaying their influence saying they were just trying to help. >> right. and they're saying that, well, we were providing advice and that was always optional. can you see from the e mails that are quoted in the article, that's not how it was received by the va officials when the mar-a-lago crowd said they
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the office of government ethics who resigned his position in president trump's first year. walter, good to see you. welcome to the program. you called this a sinister shadow government. explain that. >> well, this is literally the worst-case scenario of a smoke-filled room full of rich guys making decisions and pulling strings like puppet masters. and the worst part is, if it wasn't for isaac's work here, we wouldn't even know about it. and this is precisely the thing that there are laws to prevent. there's a federal advisory committee act that requires you to follow very strict procedures for transparency when you're seeking information from outside groups and the antithesis of following that law is having a smoke-filled room with some cabal of rich guys sitting around a resort in florida making decisions that are going to affect veterans and essentially running a 370,000-person agency.
the other thing is by counting on these private individuals to do this, you're essentially running the government through people who are not subject to the government ethics laws. >> yeah. >> there was actually some olc, office of legal counsel, government justice, if you're wielding government power you can be deemed governmental and subjected to those laws. now, i haven't seen anyone actually prosecuted under that but, boy, i would love to see that with these guys. >> well, isaac, let me ask you, do you get any indication after owl your reporting that the three men are standing down or pulling back? >> no. we'll have to see how they respond to this article and now that the house democrats on the veterans' committee are starting an investigation and one of the members is calling for a hearing on this. we'll see how that goes and we
there's a new secretary in his first week of the job. have to see -- it's certainly true in the time since shulkin was fired, their involvement has increased. has not decreased. >> so, i heard you say, you know, that you would like to see a certain law, rule, tested, walter, but in the past, presidents have relied on unofficial kitchen cabinets, but you've never seen anything in outside advisers so specifically involved in one agency? >> no. this administration keeps delivering firsts that we could just never have imagined. it's one thing for the president to wall up somebody say know, ask them, gee, what go you think of this situation i'm dealing with? it's another thing for these people to be able to show up, require the v.a. employees to come down and meet with them and essentially kiss the ring as isaac put it in his story or take their phone calls or e-mails and be giving themselves instructions. that's a shadow government because they're making decisions that affect things.
the other thing to keep in mind is they're essentially -- i purchasing influence with their membership at mar-a-lago. the $200,000 membership fee. can't imagine if any of these three gentlemen called up trump tomorrow, said, i'm quitting the club but would like to keep running the v.a. that he'd still be relying on them. and they'd wield the same influence over the leadership. here's a bunch of guys who paid the president for the right to push around the v.a. a 370,000-person agency. >> that is a very good point. walter, thank you. isaac, thank you as well. i appreciate it. >> thank you. when we come back, senator rand paul is in russia today where he personally delivered to the russian government a letter from president trump to vladimir putin. but he and the white house have different explanations as to what's in the letter. when i received the diagnoses,
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this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. 11:00 p.m. on the east coast live with all the new develops. president trump's lawyer rudy giuliani says trump's legal team responded to special counsel robert mueller. the latest effort in the ongoing negotiations over a possible interview with the president. but they want to put limits on the questions, and they want the negotiations to be over by september 1st. and senator rand paul in russia with a letter from president trump for president putin that the white house and senator paul are saying two different things about what the letter contains. so i want to bring in now congressman denny heck, a washington democrat who's a member of the intelligence committee. congressman, thank you so much for joining us. let's talk russia first. first i want to ask you about these conditions that trump's lawyers are trying to put on any interview with the special counsel. they don't want questions that they consider to be a perjury
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