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Or is not different in kind. >> well, your honor, its certainly not different in kind. in fact, its much milder in degree than a variety of the constitutional rights weve discussed in the state court with potential downside risks from failing state court litigation. in new york times there was a -- quite a great deal of exposure potentially from that defamation action. individuals suffering potentially criminal sanctions for second amendment rights all the time. $10,000 liquidated damages provis...

>> what you saw. >> it was terrible. in particular, i didnt like the attitude of the people. they talked about it almost like were making widgets or gadgets and it was inappropriate. i didnt like what i saw. i didnt like the doctors or whoever was talking about it. they talked about it like were doing cars or something. >> you seem to be hesitant about the idea of totally saying lets shut down planned parenthood, lets defund it. >> womens health issues to me are very important. i cherish women. ...

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>> i dont know. i mean, i dont know, but its possible. i give to so many chuck, i give to so many organizations over the years hundreds of millions of dollars, so i dont know. i dont think so but its possible. >> it wouldnt have surprised -- >> look. planned parenthood has to stop with the abortions. a lot of people consider it an abortion clinic. the five tapes or the six tapes, i think they were outrageous. i think they were terrible, disgusting by any standpoint, and they have to stop. >> doe...