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Instead of all of these inferences and so forth. and you are right. this gives credence to the idea that there is a deep state element trying to undo a presidential election. this can all just -- all we have to do is do what now tom steyer has said. >> martha: yes. >> lets do it the old fashioned american way. >> martha: ken starr, always good to have you here, sir. we will need your help in the coming weeks as we go through. this we will see you soon. thank you very much for being here. >> than...