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About hacking into someone e-mail or file, thats not something united states does would do. it is basically foreign interference of the kind. >> totally agree. >> in order to keep our country safe, it is true russia thinking the same way. information gathering, that is different than trying to distort what the outcome of the democratic outcome is. >> let me switch to sudan. president bra shire is lifting some sanctions. you talk about eating leaves and bugs because of what he doing. can you tell...

Them revealed source in different place -- >> pj, let interrupt you. if you are harming the american national interest and are you disclosing information you know you should not, how is that sort of not may not treason in terms she wasnt charged with it how is that not a serious offense? >> it is serious offense. in 35-year sentence was a serious punishment. we have to distinguish between a civilian court of justice where you put people to maintain public safety and military court which is prima...

Forget it. >> its in your heart. we went behind the scenes to the sunni government and said this is what we need in order to have changes in our relationship. counter terrorism, stop support support armed groups in south sudan and cooperate with us which you have spoken about powerfully. six months later, came back and met terms we raid out. we used sanctions -- brand upon them. they continue to have four related sanctions because of the genocide carried out by bashir there. their access will be...