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the argument that mike pence was making was the best one legally. so i think what we re really looking for is when could we see mike pence in front of a grand jury and sarah cnn s learning that former trump national security officials from the department of homeland security , chad wolf and ken cuccinelli have testified to a federal grand jury about trump s efforts and desire to seize voting machines. after the 2020 election. they said that they told the president and his team that he had no authority to do so. this really speaks to how special counsel jack smith is zeroing in. on the various ways . trump tried to overturn his election loss. that s right. i mean, this is excellent reporting from my colleagues at cohen sort of looking at how the special counsel is digging into a bunch of these schemes the trump team considered to try to overturn the 2020 election. of course, we know that one of these sort of crazy ideas under consideration was seizing the voting machines, and

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