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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20210913 06:08:00

and was at work. a family friend stopped by to see bob at home. in front of him, well he called 9-1-1. 9-1-1, where is your emergency? coaker creek. martha and got home, then called for her friend, debbie. she is screaming, she is saying, bob s dead. i m saying, bob s dead? coming up, what happened to bob clancy. i called i cried for ten hours, i can believe a law such a great man. shocking. the two of us just cried our eyes out. next thing you know, sheriff comes down and i m like, one in the world is going down on? she said, i don t know. when dateline continues. when dateline continues and pilling. new woolite has evercare, a first of its kind formula

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20210913 06:07:00

they made time for friends as well, like debbie hartman. we met in church. bob and martha and just became very dear friends. and in martha and, debbie found her soulmate. she was what i would refer to as the quintessential southern lady. she was like assisted to me. we had the same type of upbringing, the same type of morals, we had fun together. we enjoyed sharing recipes together. she had two boys, i had two girls. we will talk about our children. we would just were very, very close. over the years they shared cookouts, road trips, church events, just like two peas from the same pod. you could just see, said debbie, how much bob and martha and loved each other. never once did i hear them argue or have a sour word against one another, never. just very loving. like the perfect couple. and then, may 2006, martha

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20210913 06:34:00

said they are taking a cruise. debbie and her husband had gotten an incredible deal on the weeklong caribbean. cruz and she said, do you think chuck and i can go along on that cruise? and it was like someone had just dropped a bomb on my head. chuck and i? i said if there are still spaces available, i am sure she would be able to accommodate you. it turned out, there was still space. and martha and and chalk shared a cabin. so we are on this cruise ship and every bit of it they are dressed matching. now, at mealtimes, when the waiter took orders, chuck spoke for martha ann. chuck would speak up and say, the lady will have. and then he would order for. her when guests around the table rolled their eyes, said debbie, martha ann stiff. and she said my mother

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20210913 07:12:00

as. well as chuck fumbled his way inside, nate and his agents were waiting. busted. i interviewed charles. we pulled him into an office. and then martha ann was being questioned by another va agent and social security administration. martha ann and chuck kaczmarczyk had been found out. chuck was no decorated hero. he was never in combat. no silver stars. no purple hearts. those ribbons, all fake. and martha, had never walked the hallways of the pentagon as a marine colonel, was less present at a 9/11 attack, or flew on air force two. they confessed to perpetuating a complex and massive fraud for claims. how do you and your agents ever

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20210913 06:18:00

after another. in one episode, they rushed bob to the va hospital more than three hours away passed out of the in the car. out of it. i understand they had to stop the car to do cpr on him. bob was stabilized, after he was deemed well enough, sent home. two days later, on the monday in may, martha and got up early and went to work as usual. she had arranged for chuck to check in on bob that afternoon. it was he who found bob, call 9-1-1. w arrived later to find police cars and ambulances and a frantic martha and. so, the two of us just sat there and hugged each other and, bold, and just cried our eyes out. it was horrible. bob is dead. in the next thing you know, the sheriff comes out with chuck,

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