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Clearly an important vote on this, i think, and the author of the case that kind of opened the door for marriage rights, the lawrence case, and if one had to make a judgment about where he stood today, one would seem to -- one would conclude he was leaning towards knocking down doma. >> mass i mo, my grandmother, italian grandmother, will probably say something mad at me for butchering your name. i apologize for that. >> no problem. >> jonathan, thanks so much for being on the show today. what...

On the decision of justice anthony kennedy. hes always impossible to read. the next day, giving quote, scarily a sign that hes close to a decision. mass i mo joins us now. great to see you. >> thank for having me. >> lets talk about justice kennedy. much was made about his behavior during the oral arguments, but in hindsight, i wonder, as we said, he seems like a cipher, which is to say you never really know. the opinions expressed at conference dont often change, but kennedy changes more than...