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Would generate revenue it would help us to become energy independent. we see pipelines that have approval requests in that blue state governors and this president are sitting on. and what we need to could is take this opportunity to drive down the cost not just short-term but long term as well. its not just about economic security but physical security. >> steve: congressman mast, new question out to you. new poll out says 77% of americans support banning russian oil even if it means higher pric...

Sector intimidating employees out of organizing? public sector employees tend to organize much more frequently than private sector employees. why is that the case? >> thats to me or the governor? >> you, senator. >> well, in part because of the huge industrial job loss has been overwhelmingly good-paying union jobs that have been outsourced to china, gone to mexico, whatever. there have been very sophisticated and expensive anti-union am pains aimed at organizers when we try to organize. i think...

Mexico, whatever. there have been very sophisticated and expensive anti-union am pains aimed at organizers when we try to organize. i think almost all surveys show that many, many, many more people who arent in unions would like to join if they get an opportunity to. but the laws dont always work that way in their favor. and we would have a stronger middle class, a more affluent society, more people would have pensions, more people would have health care. i dont want to take it away from public ...

List, theres a lot of us new governors who got elected to do something big. >> youre the first domino. >> yep. this is our moment. >> this is our moment. you know, i was thinking of the movie "goonies" where the kids were going after one-eyed willy saying this is our moment. this is our moment? what is he talking about, governor? this is their chance to nail the unions. it sounds like, you know an ast no, maamic opportunity to nail the other guy and has nothing to do with the budget. >> chris, i...

Koch, the big conservative money guy. lets listen to that conversation. this is probably better tharn any press conference because he doesnt know hes being listened to by us. lets listen. >> i talk to kasich every day. you know, johns got to stand firm in ohio. i think we do the same thing with rick scott in florida. i think snyder, if he got a little more support probably could do that in michigan. i mean, you start going down the list, theres a lot of us new governors who got elected to do som...