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talk. >> in the modern world, both locally and nationally and interna internationally, that's become the norm. there's a lot of that rhetoric that goes out, and that rhetoric is for their own constituency. and we hope that's all it is, it's posturing, and when they sit down with all of their people, that they can actually communicate and if there's anything in this summit that can be accomplished easily, it's the freeing of our son and paul whelan. >> former secretary of state mike pompeo did an interview where he talked about, where he defended, i should say, u.s. policy toward russia during the trump administration. i want you to listen to what he said. >> there was no administration that was tougher on russia. we worked diligently to support ukraine with defensive weapon systems. we built out the united states military. we need to move forward and continue to defend the united states against the threats vladimir putin may pose, whether it's cyber or kinetic or any of
LotWorldRhetoricNormPosturingTalkInternaConstituencyPeopleSonAl-lSummitto preserve and defend american interest and stop russian maligned activity around the world. you'll recall, when you hear president biden talk about taking us back, back is the russians taking crimea on the watch of president obama, a fifth of ukraine. that's not a back that the united states can afford to allow to happen. we need to move forward and we need to continue to defend the united states against the threats that vladimir putin may pose, whether it's cyber or kinetic or any of the other information efforts that vladimir putin will try to hoist upon america if president biden is weak. chris: well, let me ask about a specific issue and i think right now it's at the top of the agenda and that is ransomware, these attacks on vital u.s. infrastructure coming from gangs out of russia. i asked secretary blinken about that. he said with the support of all the allies that the u.s. is prepared to take action, he wouldn't say what it was, but to take action if russia is going to continue to harbor these gangs. what action should p president biden be willing to take?
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