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About him yet, hadnt become familiar with him and maybe that will change over time. but you have to put that in the context of where these early caucuses and primaries are. >> okay. well you -- >> that said, you know, yes, the, you know, there is a bit of a media thumb on the scale. >> okay. so you say that there -- i want to jump in here. you say that we cant expect hillary clinton to win every primary caucus. but if bernie sanders wins the first and the second, those arent just two contests, h...