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And control structure in pakistan and in afghanistan of people who have made no hesitation to say they are wanting to plot activity against the united states. theres a policy judgment to be made about how much you want to risk the loss of life of civilians or noncombatants. how careful you ought to be. those are decisions about the lawfulness, not the use of, military force. >> david gergens been right at the center of those operational decisions in the oval office with multiple presidents when ...

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