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rejects a deal that israel already accepted all right 5:00 a.m. here in washington, a live look at capitol hill early on this wednesday morning. >> good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us for the first time in american history, the child of a sitting president has been convicted of a crime. a jury in delaware finding hunter biden guilty on all three felony charges, two, for lying about his drug use on a federal background check. a third possessing for possessing a gun while addicted to or using illegal drugs. the verdict ended a very stressful week and a half for the biden family. the trial exposing painful details about the extent of hunter's drug use the president embracing his just convicted sun on a tarmac in wilmington shortly after the verdict was handed down, the president releasing the statement, quote, as i said last week, i am the president, but i am also a dad, jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. he added as i also said, last week, i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal reaction came in quickly from across capitol hill. here's a little bit from both sides of the aisle but mr. speaker, you've been saying two tier system of justice for some time. here's the president's son being convicted on three counts that undercut your clients. >> it doesn't every case is different and clearly the evidence was overwhelming here. i don't think just the case in the trump trial. >> i've not heard a single democrat anywhere in the country cry fraud cry fixed, cry, rigged a cry kangaroo court. you don't hear a single peek out of any democrats saying that why we believe in the rule of law all right, journey is down to discuss deaf kite political reporter for axios, stef. good morning to you. thank you so much for being here. good. >> how would you characterize what we're hearing in reaction to this conviction we've got a little taste. >> they're from each side. >> yeah, it's an interesting democrats have certainly been kind of sticking to the talking point that no one is above the law and they've been pretty muted in their response or certainly not rushing to the defense of hunter, right now, they're just saying we need to trust the justice system and on the other side, i think it's been interesting to see how republicans are responding to this because of course, we've heard from some that they are opposed to certain gun laws and they've been using that as one reason. to kind of push back on the hunter conviction here and we've also seen republicans say, yeah, maybe they found him guilty in this situation, but this isn't enough. we've heard from exam, for example, james comer are calling for more investigation into biden family members. so we're seeing them take this and demand more certainly not cheering this very loudly from republicans. >> yeah, i mean, the way republicans are, i mean, in some ways they're they're almost downplaying it. >> this was matt gaetz, who of course has been you know it doesn't exactly. >> shy away from saying inflammatory things. he writes this, the hunter biden gun conviction is kinda dumb to be honest, dbh and then marjorie taylor greene says that what we really should be focused on quote, unquote remains untouched and then she says hunter biden just became the deepstate sacrificial lamb to show that justices balanced, while the other biden crimes remain ignored. she's of course, talking about the sprawling impeachment investigation into the president via some of the business activities of his son that ultimately showed have so far failed to turn up anything extraordinarily incriminating. it does put them in a little bit of a difficult spot when they are saying what they're saying about former president trump's conviction. >> exactly i mean, the reality is this does undermine some of their arguments that they've been making for the past several years, that the justice department, that justice system is biased against conservatives and that trump is a victim of this. and now we have hunter biden, the son of the sitting president, a democrat and a very democratic state who is still being found guilty of federal charges. and so that doesn't quite neatly fit into this narrative that republicans have been spinning four. again since 2015, 2016. and so we're seeing them trying to get around on that. of course. and one of the ways they're trying to get around this is by saying, oh see, this was just to make people forget about how bad the case was against trump. they're pointing to this as no politically motivated, still even now, because again, they need to explain this away. how can if the justice system is so rigged, how can hunter biden still be found guilty in a democratic state so in terms of the president himself, i mean, clearly the statement that they put out focused on his role as a dad, you obviously was on camera when he embraced hunter there after this all came down, he did not go to the trial, but his wife, the first lady, jill biden, attended every single day. >> i mean, what do you hear from sources about how the stress of going through this has affected them as they are the president's campaign for reelection. >> yeah, i mean, there's no question that joe biden cares a lot about his family. it's a very close-knit family and there's no question that that hunters ongoing issues with addiction and then these criminal cases have impacted him. he is invested the fact that we did see him immediately helicopter to delaware to see hunter after this decision came through shows that he is invested in this. the fact that the first lady was there and you know, every every day at this trial, this is going to impact the family emotionally and it's going to impact joe biden as he is trying to run for reelection in a very closely contested race. whether we see this actually impact 2024 is still an open question. there's no polling that indicates that voters are necessarily going to change. there minds around this. but i do think the biggest impact this could have is on joe biden's focus and how he's willing to campaign and whether he's willing to set this aside and really focus on what needs to be done i mean, look like presidential campaign is a crucible and anything that distracts you has the potential to really kind of effect thanks from a very and he's got this trial coming up in september on tax issues. >> han fei, those which is of course very squarely in the political calendar, steph. thank you. i really appreciate you. start us off this morning. thank you. >> alright coming up next here, president biden heading out on another international trip today, plus the southern state with almost a month's worth of rain in a single day more is coming plus the matchup is set to one the most important senate races of the year. >> but bring you that the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes 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all right, welcome back, president biden, traveling to italy this morning ahead of the annual g7 summit that starts tomorrow, he'll be meeting with the leaders of france and germany both leaders reeling from heavy defeats in recent european parliamentary elections also, prime minister, british prime minister rishi sunak, he is in the grips of a political storm himself as they all face stiff domestic competition and similar challenges to staying in power i will earn your trust and i will prove to you that only a conservative government led by me will not put are harder and economic stability at risk. this is a situation that i cannot come to terms with the rise of nationalists, of demagogues is a danger for our nation. >> what do you think you need to accomplish are that debate stage i have to share ready says, remind people what he says and what i believe what he believed my journey me now cnn's max foster live from london. >> max, good morning to you as i watch this and think about kind of what's unfolding across europe. but also here in the us well, politico wrote it. this way. let's, let's read from it, quote, the three liters or dramatically changing the plot and facing their issues head-on. basically, they argue that the establishment politicians in this case are trying to hold up a global order that is fraying, particularly because of challenges, doesn't totally apply to rishi sunak on the right. but for the germans, the french, and of course, biden here at home with trump it is trying to take on this kind of rising nationalism. how do you look at all of this and what's the conversation like heading into the g7? >> yeah. well, i think rishi sunak is facing the same thing because whilst the left free labor party is expected to win the election, is the fact that the far right reform party is taken so many votes away from rishi sunak's conservative party. so while he is on the right and the other toura, center-left, they're all in the center and they're all facing a real threat from the right. the idea, i think bringing things forward, macron and sunak bringing on these elections much earlier than people expected. biden going into the debates many people expected, i think is this the theory that if you appeal to the rational side of people with serious policies, then you'll be able to argue that over a longer period of time before people actually go to the polls. but i think the right is very successfully. certainly here in europe, argue it's a bizarre one because they're basically arguing around cost of living, inflation. people can't afford things. so therefore, you need to hunker down stop immigration, stopped sending money to ukraine, stop paying for the environment, which is that idea of the cost of living crisis has always been an argument. the left you successfully in the past and it's in another right is using it. so many people are seeing it really as a failure of the left in many ways, but it's also a big chunk allen's for the center ground yeah. >> no, it's it's a really interesting way to look at it. i mean, i would also say, i mean, one of the things that is big picture different here and challenging is the security situation, right? i mean the there's an isolationist tendency to the trump situation here. >> in the the us that quite frankly, really affects how the us will interact with nato, european security. >> i mean, there are russian warships doing drills 30 miles off the coast of florida that the us military is monitoring right now. and of course there's discussion about how this fits into the recent us decision to allow us weapons to be used across the border with russia. all of that kind of looming over these leaders as they meet know absolutely this is probably says more about russia, doesn't it? >> this these ships than it does about the us. russia showing its global presence and it's coming through on everything, isn't it? whether right. but they've been trying to undermine they've been trying to kind of there's evidence that they've been trying to encourage and stoke some of this race wing political activity to try and split the west and reduce the security power across the board of the west now, yeah, it's all about creating divisions in the west so they can fill that vacuum with their own or authority in these ships are really a visualization all of that certainly in terms of isolationism, it does come into the right-wing debate here in europe as it does into america, because it's the, question about, do we support ukraine or do we not support ukraine? >> do we focus our own internal issues? so it all plays into the same thing. so certainly in terms of putin's and she's wider strategy to assert themselves and fill the vacuum on the global stage. the right-wing helps because it brings all the western allies into a more national frame of mind if you like, and less involved in international affairs are very interesting. all right, max foster for us my than london max are 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up to $750,000 for the three charges. >> but as a first-time offender, he is likely to receive a lesser sentence he also was facing another trial on the horizon, hunter biden's tax trial is set to start on september 5th, joining me now, criminal defense attorney andrew tarkovsky. andrew, good morning to you. thank you so much for being here. can you talk us through what is i likely sentence in this case for the gun charge alone, it is not likely that he will see jail time if you run the federal sentencing calculator, you can get somewhere between about six to ten months as the recommended sentence. >> but that's well within the area of when judges give some sort of more probationary type of sentence that doesn't have jail time. the problem for hunter is that this conviction, even if it doesn't see jail time on its own, that combined with the september tax trial, if he's convicted of that, would most certainly result in some degree of jail time likely in the neighborhood of a number of years. this conviction would be used as an aggravate are in that case as a factor that would increase the sentence under the guidelines really interesting, what what are the potential sentencing? what would he be looking at if he's convicted on these on these tax charges realistically, that put them at tenure. just give me a little bit more context on what what that could mean. >> this is an interesting tax case where he has paid his taxes since, but had gone on for a number of years, not only just not paying the taxes but also there's many kind of underlying issues with the way in which he was reporting the taxes, what he was saying he was paying the taxes on versus what he was actually spending his money on. so there are layers of those tax issues at hand. if he's convicted of everything, this is the case that could be generally in the single digits type of years of confinement, i would see a generally in the two to five range, but it's a very difficult number to give you a good idea of at this stage since we don't know what he's convicted of and the federal sentencing guidelines which were once effectively mandatory, are now discretionary. and so it's more of a guidepost. this type of case, tho i think would be in the low single-digits of years of confinement still interesting that there could be repercussions from this case even if there's no jail time here that we could really dramatically affect the outcome there. so can we talk for a second about how the jury made this decision because we are actually and i'm interested to know why you think we're hearing so much from the jurors? >> as it's come out of that we saw some of spoken on camera to other networks this was what one told up politico. they said the defense's decision to call biden's daughter, naomi, to the stand, didn't help his case. i thought it was a mistake. the juror told reporters on tuesday, i think it was probably a strategy they shouldn't have done no daughters should have to testify against her dad at what do you make of what the jurors have come out and said about how they reached this verdict. >> well, i think it reflects generally the idea that hunter biden was pretty dead to rights the evidence against him was so overwhelming that they had to get to this conviction, but we still see the jurors have sympathy for him. they see this. it sounds like as a relatively minor criminal offense, which it is in scope of federal law and federal criminal prosecutions that typically take place. but that's not necessarily for the jury to decide how serious is this offense. it's a question of what's the evidence actually show us and what's the law say? what the jury isn't essentially debating upon is the impact that's had to the family. the back to those around they seem to indicate this idea that they're hoping that he gets clean and sober go through his rehab. that's all this sort of sympathy that perhaps the defense kind of put forward hoping for a different outcome, whether that was an effort by the defense to actually have jury nullification. we now know that the jury themselves were immune to that. they saw this for what it was calling it a more minor offense. but nonetheless, coming back with the verdict that they say was justice fired by the evidence all right. >> andrew truck ascii for us this morning, andrew. thank you very much for that. >> thank you it's good politics now the matchup is set. >> nevada's incumbent senator democrat jacky rosen will face republican sam brown in the general election this fall. nevada shaping up to be one of the most important states this election cycle as democrats look to hang out on to their razor thin control of the senate. when everyone votes in november, brown is a purple heart recipient and viewed as a rising star among republicans. >> and so it is tonight we continue to deliver health care to dream is not dead it was now, dad and the marriage of nine-member giovani jacky rosen begins to end tonight as we celebrate tonight, we're not celebrating my campaign for senate we celebrate our campaign for nevada joining me now, do you see correspondent for the nevada independent, gabby birnbaum. >> gabby. good morning to you so this race, of course, at critical because the senate is literally on a knife edge, right? so every single race matters talk a little bit about me. first of all, he's clearly adopted this dark rhetoric that the trump campaign has about the state of america. this is not the optimistic city on a hill type of message that you would have heard from a ronald reagan era republican. >> but this does i do think there are some republicans here in washington who think that this was a good outcome. >> how did this play out? >> yeah. i mean, republicans, like he said, this is the senate, hangs on literally any one of these seats for democratic incumbents that could flip and republicans would have control the senate. so they've had this nevada matchups they're called for years in 2022 was the closest senate race in the country. and so as sam brown, this is who the nrsc, i'm the national republican senatorial committee. this is who jaylen florida. they're publican governor of nevada. this is the guy they wanted and they got their guy last night by like 44 points in the primary. so it was never really a doubt but yeah. i mean, like you mentioned this, he talks a lot about we don't have an american dream anymore. it's an american nightmare. it reminds me a lot of the american carnage sort of trump first inaugural speech. and i think it shows that question for brown and for all of these challenges this will be how do you appeal to the base that's very pro-trump in states like nevada, where trump hasn't one and pulling this cycle shows maybe this is the year that he does it. but how do you sort of know that this is how you win a primary. this is how you appeal to people while also knowing in nevada it's the non-partisan voters, the independence who you really need to get to that 50% threshold. we've seen in, in some states that democratic senate, and this is actually backwards from what you sometimes see in other election cycles. but the democratic senate candidates seem to be running ahead of president biden. is that the case in nevada yes. so i mean, you've seen polls were biden's down by double-digits and rose up like plus one i've seen polls where trump is up five and rosen's also up five. that'd be a level of ticket-splitting and i looked into this and the data does have a pretty significant history of ticket-splitting, but it wasn't a different time when that was just way more for comment. in o for bush won by three points and harry reid, one by 35 points or something. that's very raid specific situation would have been a little yeah. itself, but i think as politics has become more nationalized, as nevada sort of local political culture of boosting incumbents in the senate no matter what, as a small state as that's sort of given way to this national political discourse that's so hyper-partisan. i would be surprised if the split ends up being that big in my mind. who's a trump rozi and voter? it's hard to think of who this person might be. but yes, certainly rozi, like other candidates, is running ahead of biden ben. and so i think it'll be a question for brown now of how do i get these voters who think they're going to vote for trump are considering trump, but might be skeptical of me. how do i speak to them so let's i'm talking across. >> nevada was not the only state that help primers last night. we also had one in south carolina and the primary that was being most closely watched was nancy mace, who of course, voted to oust former house speaker kevin mccarthy. and mccarthy had made it a project to try to get the second name on that screen over the finish line, catherine templeton challenged nancy mace in this it's a charleston area, south carolina district so mace came out on top here. how much of an embarrassment is that for mccarthy? >> i mean, look, i think it's curious to see what mccarthy we'll do next, right. those rumors that if trump wins, he could be chief of staff or something. i think it just shows that once you're out of congress, you're out of congress, right? here lewin's is somewhat limited in what you can do. he's been trying to behind the scenes enact some sort of revenge on the people who took him down. mace, i think particular really got under his skin because his office had tried to help her with her legislative priorities. there was a good long piece of slate. this week all about sort of her interesting political demeanor. but yeah, confused a lot of people for sure. but i guess, i guess voters and south carolina's first district still felt good about it. so yeah, i do think for mccarthy, like i said, once you're out, you're out with congress yeah. >> i before i let you go, i want to touch on what we could see play out in the house today. there is some reporting that we have here at cnn that there are a handful of house republicans who are privately voiced concerns about a plan to hold merrick garland in contempt of congress. but they did announce last night they're going to go forward with this vote today. what do you expect on the floor? >> i think that'll be interesting. i mean, the fact that there's all these reports, the reports that they might have pulled it, the fact that there budding the vote on the floor, i mean, this is not a republican whip team that's been uber successful in exactly where the votes are. so i don't think anyone will be surprised if it were to fail typically, i think but the moderates have been upset about something they usually do, keep it off the floor. they're pretty open with leadership about their concerns. they're not right. the freedom caucus, i'm not trying to wreak havoc on the floor. so the fact that they are bringing is a floor or i mean, we'll see i think this is the closer we get to the election, the more and more people are not going to want to take tough votes, particularly on such hyper-partisan things like rice this is a tough thing for some of the more moderate, moderate republicans in the house. all right, gabby, thank you very much for your time appreciate it. i come up next year, talks to end the war in gaza in serious doubt this morning after a response from hamas plus the man is facing a must wins situation in dallas tonight, which report reviews game three coming up violent burst would liev schreiber sunday at night on cnn you know what's brilliant think about it. >> boring is the unsung catalyst for bolt. what straps bold do a rocket hurdles and into space, or boring makes vacations happen, early retirements possible, and startups start off because it's smart, dependable, and steady all words you want from your bank for nearly 160 years, pnc bank has been brilliantly boring. >> so you can be happily fulfilled, which is pretty boring if you think about it. >> wow there are giant so mug they are 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proposal. talks are expected to continue through qatari and egyptian mediators in coordination with the us to see if an agreement can be reached. here was blinken yesterday before hamas is response everyone has said yes except for hamas and if hamas doesn't say yes, then this is clearly plea on them all right. >> told me not to discuss the un global affairs analyst kim dozer. kim, good morning to you. thank you so much for being here. >> are reporting. is that hamas did submit a response proposing amendments to the israeli proposal, adjustments to the or adding a timeline for a permanent ceasefire. and with thrall from gaza, this there seems to be an awful lot of fog around where each side stands on this proposal at all. can you kind of try to help us understand clearly where are the israelis on this? are they a definitive yes. and what this means from hamas that we saw yesterday today there's one key part of this peace deal that the ceasefire deal that each side keeps trying to change hamas wants to include some sort of permanent ceasefire in the deal what they have, what they've been offered right now is phases six weeks was submit exchange, and a temporary ceasefire that then becomes permanent after some negotiations midway through they don't want that the israelis meanwhile benjamin netanyahu government he cannot say yes to a deal that has a permanent ceasefire in it because that will instantly dissolve his government. the hard-right members of his coalition have threatened to pull out if he signs up any deal that has a permanent ceasefire in it. so that's why you've got a lot of stuff decided on the edges. but this one key point hamas wants to be able to survive and keep fighting and netanyahu's political survival is based on making sure hamas can't do that. therein lies the crux of the matter so what is the way out of that? but it's very hard to see it way out of that. >> that's why the original deal as the white house had shared with the world, has these phases where you get a bunch of the hostages back, you get prisoner exchanges. so that was sweetening it for the palestinian side that they get some of their hardline prisoners out and then you use that momentum of that progress to get through the second stage of the deal. so that perhaps netanyahu could then go back to his hardline coalition and go back to israel haley public and say see, i got all so many of the hostages out. now, it's time to have an off-ramp for this, but you got to agree to the first part to get to that second kim, let's talk about the sort of broader tensions in the region because we have seen slit, escalating back-and-forth between israel and lebanon. the washington post says it's a war that's unfolding in slow motion. and rockets are being launched from lebanon toward israel. how concerned should we be at this point? but this is going to tip into something more significant all along, it seems that the overall strategy of iran, which is supporting hezbollah and supporting hamas, has been to turn the tension up when israel is already on the back foot, just to keep exhausting its army the israeli army has having to go back to certain parts of gaza that it had said it had cleared already, and all of a sudden up in the north, there's an uptick in fighting. >> it's stretching and exhausting the army and pointing out to israel that if you want to keep going on these two fronts, it's going to cost you more in manpower and eventually in tax dollars because they don't have enough of a standing army to keep up this fight at this point. and that has put pressure on the israeli people to think about, do we? want to be doing this forever? and what that would cost? >> yeah. i mean, and what does that mean politically for netanyahu? i mean, is he coming under pressure from people? i mean, obviously israel israel as conscription mandatory service in their country. that's got to put some pressure on him. know, there's local israel issue specifically regarding that secular israelis are upset that for the most part, very religious israelis are allowed to opt out of military service. >> and there's been a fight to make more of them find, to find some way to draft more of them. into the ongoing fight. and that has been working its way through the israeli knesset but the hard-right members of netanyahu's coalition have said, if you force, are religious people to fight we will pull out. so again, netanyahu's caught between the secular folks. so he needs to win the next election and the coalition members he needs to stay in government cheerful. kim toes, you're for us this morning. thank you. i really appreciate your time. >> all right. so now for sports, do or die in dallas for the maths tonight the nba finals, andy scholes has this morning's police report and good morning. good morning. case. it's only game three, but the mass they have to win excuse me, they have to win tonight because notes, even me hey, history while struggling, i've ever 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threat. but moscow has been signaling displeasure that washington recently green light getting ukrainian attacks on russian territory with us supplied-weapons speaking ahead of the cube and naval visit, vladimir putin warned of a possible russian response. >> easley, and you put it today in the west lai weapons to the zone of combat operations and call for the use of these weapons against our territory. then why do we not have the right to do the same? to mirror these actions? i'm not ready to say that we'll do it tomorrow, but we of course, should think about it elsewhere moscow has been stepping up tactical nuclear drills to staging exercises with neighboring belarus near the ukrainian border. >> russian tactical nukes delivered from either ground or air can level entire cities or the kremlin insists it has no plans at this stage to use the matthew chance cnn moscow. >> thanks so much for joining us. the situation room begins now happening. >> now, breaking news, hunter biden's historic guilty verdict on three felony gun charges, becoming the first child hello, to the sitting us president to face conviction. we're getting new reaction from the defense team, the special counsel, the first family, and the trump campaign plus new tails, new details are emerging from donald trump's probation interview that could weigh on judge juan merchan, sentencing decision. what trump told me officials about a firearm. he didn't turn over to police after his indictment. and what that means potentially now that he's a convicted felon also tonight secret audio recordings to taken by liberal activist are raising new questions about the neutrality of the us supreme court. justice samuel alito's comment it's about religion, are raising eyebrows. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm willing or a year in the situation room the skis, cnn breaking news the breaking news tonight, that president biden in delaware right now after a jury convicted his son, hunter biden on federal gun charges, are chief legal affairs correspondent paula reid has the latest developments of the conclusion of this historic trip president joe biden, son hunter, left federal court in wilmington, delaware today, a convicted felon, a jury of six men and six women, took less than three hours to find him guilty on three counts related to a 2018 gun purchase a few jurors spoke to cnn after court adjourned. one question, whether the case should have been brought in the first place, saying it seemed like a waste of taxpayer dollars, but another juror told cnn that this was a legitimate pursuit. i mean, do you think that this was a legitimate use of taxpayer resources to bring this case? >> yes. >> i do believe it, despite feeling badly for hunter and his battles with addiction, the 12 jurors agreed that they had no choice but to convict all 12 jurors. did agree that yes, he know and laying bought a gun when he was an attic or he was addicted to drugs and the jurors interviewed by cnn said politics played no role in their decision. those are inviting never really even came in to play for me. his name was only brought up one store in the trial and that's when i that's when it kind of sunk and a little bit, but you kind of put that out of your mind. >> president biden released a statement after his son's verdict saying, in part i am the president, but i am also a dad jill, and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today and i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal hunter also issued a statement after court thanking his wife and supporters saying i am more grateful today for the love and support i experienced this last week from melissa, my family, my friends, and my community, than i am disappointed by the outcome. special counsel, david weiss made a rare statement defending the case ultimately, this case was not just about addiction, a disease that haunts families across the united states, including hunter biden's this case was about the illegal choices defendant made while in the throes of addiction this conviction comes to the possibility of a decades in prison, hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. >> but that is the upper range of sentencing possibilities. it's widely expected here that hunter biden would face something far less. one of the jurors that we spoke with today said he doesn't believe that hunter biden should go to jail at all but the decision ultimately rests with the judge and we'll find out what she decides. we're back here likely in october for sentencing. there is no date set at this point, but is expected that it will happen before election day. >> wolf ball arena, delaware for us. thank you very much. i want to go to the white house right now. that's where cnn's kayla tausche is standing by. taylor what more can you tell us about how president biden is handling this conviction? >> well, well, if we can say that president biden is handling this emotionally and with his family i'm late in-person, although the biden family has in the past sought privacy during events related to hunter's legal battles. but today, choosing a very republic show of support at the delaware air national guard, where you saw president biden hugging hunter, hugging his wife, melissa biden, and giving a kiss on the head to bone let's his toddler son to hunter and waleses toddler son, beau before hunter greeted the secret service members and many white house staff members before getting into his his own car. and leaving that scene. but this of course comes as president biden is seeking to wear two hats, one of both dad and president. and in that role president earlier in the day, he delivered remarks at a gun safety event everytown for gun safety is gun sense university where he was talking about all of the new the protections put in place by a bipartisan gun law that he and members of congress and promoted back in 2022 following the uvalde school shooting. and he was expected to announce a high volume of doj prosecution's on new gun crimes under that law, totaling more than 500. that statistic appeared in a doj press release but it did not appear in the president's remarks, the white house, when asked about why not they chose instead to point to the overarching message that president biden delivered. there. now as for what happens next, president biden has already been asked about the powers of clemency that he possesses as president and whether he would seek a pardon for his son he has said had no here's how that response came in will you accept the jury's outcome, their verdict no matter what it is? yes. >> and have you ruled pulled out a pardon for your son? >> yes. >> you have he was not asked about a potential commutation of a potential sentence, but the sentencing is currently expected to take place in the weeks before the election. >> wealth. >> kayla tausche at the white house for us, kayla, thank you. i want to dig deeper right now with our legal and political experts of course, khardori or former federal prosecutor, i'll start with you. what do you make of this fascinate the fascinating information we've learned at least so far from jurors about how they reached this guilty verdict. >> well, it may think it's a testament to their honesty that the president's status as our commander-in-chief apparently did not weigh into there deliberations in any serious way. i do share the view of one of the jurors who described this as a potential waste of taxpayer money but nevertheless, that juror voted to convict hunter biden, understanding evidently that it's not that person's decision to decide whether or not the case should have been brought, but it was brought the judge the evidence and reach the conclusion that i think was largely unavoidable. >> jamal, let me get your thoughts and your mouth. simmons is with us. hunter biden, of course, is not a candidate. he's just the president's son. >> so what do you think the actual political impact of this conviction could be? i don't think there's going to be that great, but political impact, most people are not going to be swayed by this because most people have had some experience with their lives as the tragedy of addiction and gone down the road of what happens if people in their families who are addicted. so on one hand, you've got the president signs and who is an addict? two substances on the other hand, you've got a former president who has been convicted of 34 counts of hiding hush money payments to as pornstar mistress to keep her from going public during the midst of a presidential campaign. they're not the same thing. i think most voters know that alyssa farah griffin is also with us. alyssa, i want you in our viewers to listen to the house speaker mike johnson's reaction earlier today to this verdict. listen to this mr. speaker, you've been saying two-tiered system of justice for some time. here's the president sayyed being convicted on three counts as that undercut your client it doesn't every case is different and clearly the evidence is overwhelming here. i don't think that's the case and the trump trials and all the charges that have and brought against couldn't have been obviously brought for political purposes. a hunter biden is a separate instance does this verdict elicit take the steam out of the republicans baseless claims about the weaponization of the us justice department of course, while it absolutely undercut said just taking a step back, we're in uncharted territory here were the same department of justice that indicted donald trump in the mar-a-lago documents case. and in the january 6 case, also just convicted the sitting president, son of a crime through a jury this is anything underscores that our justice system works without fear or favor despite the imperfections of it, it is something that works to be objective and i think it dramatically undermines this claim that it's a weaponized system. if you're an undecided voter, who'd wasn't really sure what to make of the trump conviction. you her on the one side, on the right, that this was a weapon and on the left that no. a jury of his peers found him guilty. you're seeing this and i think you're saying, oh, wait, the system does seem to work regardless of who's who the name of the person that is on trial on kirsha, you were in the courtroom. my for much of this trial, hunters, sentencing, as we know, will likely take place in the fall before the election how much time, if any, is he realistically, realistically looking at? and does he have a chance on appeal? >> look, i would think he would be looking realistically at potentially months in prison if the prosecutors decide to seek a prison term and the judge is seriously considering it that would be consistent with sort of a first-time offender in this space. i'm sure he will be arguing for a probation and he would have a good claim to probation given his history in and the uniqueness of this prosecution. but i think at the sort of the extreme he would looking at months, not not multiple years in terms of its appeal prospects. look, i do think he has a colorable appeal here based on his argument that the second amendment basically renders this prosecution unconstitutional and a prohibition it's not generally speaking, then as applied to him, unconstitutional. i have no idea how that issue will be resolved, but the supreme court has issued some very pro-gun rulings in this area. and if you were to follow the logic of the bruin decision to a t, there is a pretty good argument here that the laws under which biden was convicted are also unconstitutional as applied to him under the second amendment two, very interesting jamal or the timing of the verdict and eight, created a rather bizarre optics situation with the president biden delivering a previously scheduled speech, speech about gun safety. what just hours after his son was convicted on felony gun charges? the white house also later canceled the daily press briefing. is this a bad look for the administration? what do you think it's a bad day for the administration, but more importantly, it's a bad day for the president and for his son, but it's a bad day in a personal way, not really one about the administration and its policies. >> the president's policies aren't guns had been clear for a long time. he passed the assault weapons ban. but i just wanna go back to something we were at a minute ago with alyssa can you imagine a world where obama prosecutor, when after don junior, ivanka trump, while barak, while while donald trump was president he allowed that prosecutor to go after them, indict them, see them commit, can see them convicted, and then said he would not he would not pardon them. i can't imagine that world we all know. that's probably not the case. donald trump would i think we just lost, we just lost. that has a commitment to the rule of law that we just have never seen before. >> guard jamal standby, alyssa, the trump campaign statement reads in part, and i'm quoting now, we read it this trial has been nothing more than a distraction from the real crimes of the biden crime family. is this verdict something the trump campaign can seize on politically? what do you think? >> so i actually see this totally different than jamal does. i actually think this could be a boon for biden. it's certainly doesn't help trump. and i think this sort of this statement afterwards spoke to the fact that if anything, it proves this point that the system is not weaponized, that donald trump's own conviction was legitimate 52% of americans approve of the conviction as many is 16% approve of the trump conviction so when you start dealing in those realities, electorally, knowing donald trump's name is on the ballot, not hunter biden's. i think they're realizing that this might undercut his biggest vulnerability, which is the fact that he is the first convicted felon to be running for president then all right. >> good. point to all of you. thank you very, very much. just ahead. >> we're getting new developments that are coming in right now. >> donald trump's life as a convicted felon, including an effort defined in season outstanding firearm register to the former president. we have details on what we're learning that's coming up plus secret records go public amendment we're of the us supreme court and his wife coming under scrutiny right now for new comments. stay with us. you're in the situation room this election season, stay with cnn with more reporters on the ground. and the best political team in the business follow the voters, follow the results, follow the facts follow. cnn how could anyone possibly know that every single one of these pistachios is guaranteed to be wonderful by reading, right here. wonderful pistachios are the pistachios that are wonderful. but the word wonderful on them organic soil from 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to address that. now what that means technically is that since his conviction on felony charges in new york state on may 30, donald trump has been a felon in possession of a firearm now you don't have to have that firearm on you. it just has to be somewhere where you have what they call constructive possession, where you have access to it, whether it's locked away or not. but that would be a serious violation of not just a us federal law but also florida state law for a convicted felon now, let's set that aside for a minute authority say this is a complicated defendant he lives a complicated existence. he doesn't carry weapons, he's guarded by secret service but this is a detail that they want to resolve and make sure that that gun is accounted for all right. >> good reporting. thanks very much, john, for that report. let's discuss this and get some analysis from former federal prosecutor, at least adamson and cnn senior law enforcement analyst, charles ramsey alise, could trump's admission that he still holding onto this gun impact potentially his sentencing. it's coming up. what july 11, how soon does he have to turn this gun? >> well, that's a good question. well, if i think technically he should have already turned this gun in as was just reported donald trump was convicted of a felony. and so at this time, he would be considered a felon in possession of the firearm. now, new york has a very clear road map to how defendant needs to surrender their firearms post-conviction, it's a little bit different when we're talking about federally or other jurisdictions, when the conviction happened elsewhere however the by the letter of the law, once he is convicted, he can no longer be in possession. so it is odd to me at todd blanche would have sat there as he made this admission and not thought of this before the interview, we need more information when he says it's in florida, is it it is house. did he surrender it? where is it but assuming argue window, it's in mar-a-lago. that's a potential problem now, directly to your question as to whether or not it will impact sentencing. again, it's the facts and circumstances is the former president holding onto the firearm and just refusing to relinquish it. i think that would be a data point. the judge were merchan will take into consideration. but is this really just a case of figuring out how to surrender it or is he in the process of transferring ownership? all of those details will matter. come sentencing de chief ramsey, as you know, in new york officials said this information will be passed along to florida police to quote, and i'm quoting now, take whatever steps are necessary if trump doesn't voluntarily return his gun what authorities do you believe have to step in well, you know, i think not at this has come to light that they'll work toward getting that gun. >> he's not supposed to be in possession of the gun. he is a convicted felon. but this is a situation where, you know, he's really living in two different places. i mean, he spends a lot of time in new york also in florida. the one gun is in florida now he had two others that he surrendered last year shortly after he was indicted so he's already given up two of the guns. this is the one that's outstanding i really find it hard to believe that they would not make every effort to try to turn that in as soon as possible, or leases trump potentially at risk of being criminally charged for illegally possessing a firearm yeah. >> so i don't think he is now, again technically, could they charged him perhaps if the circumstances are correct, if it is in mar-a-lago, if it is within his constructive possession, then yes. it's a very serious charge. they could charge him federally i just looked into it prior prior to speaking with you, it carries a term of a potential ten years in prison of slightly old statistic, but from 2021, the united states sentencing commission said 96.9% of defendants charged with that crime. were, were sentenced to prison. so very, very serious, risky, which is why i don't know why todd blanche would have not made sure that the gun was surrendered to authorities prior to the psi, but very unlikely because he's still in between the conviction and sentencing. and there isn't a clear legal requirement of when and how he surrenders the gun in florida. >> chief ramsey, your the former police chief here in washington, dc. former police commissioner in philadelphia, is trump getting more leeway, right now or is it standard for convicted felons to take time? to return their guns well, is that standard for convicted felons to take time to turn in a gun i'm not aware of that occurring with any degree of frequency, but i do think that they will make some allowances to give him an opportunity to turn to gun in i'd be surprised if that doesn't happen now, he is guarded as john miller said, by secret service 24 hours a day, seven days a week, he has a nice guy. >> he's got, but earth of his life, he'll have that kind of protection. and so there's a lot going on. this is unprecedented. we've never had a homer president convicted of anything and so now this is just one of those things. it's very serious. i'm not trying to make light of it, but i would doubt very seriously if this is going to be something that's going to go beyond a day or two before that gun is located, turned in chief ramsey. thanks very much. at least adamson. thanks to you as well. just ahead, the us supreme court back in the spotlight today. here, what two justices are heard saying in secret recordings. i'm controversial topics the most anticipated moment of dyslexia and the stakes couldn't be higher. >> the president and the former president, one stage two very different visions for america's future that cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27th, nine life, i'd cnn and streaming on max reading that and yeah, that's not good happen huge things happen happens be there with three, learn more at rnc.com 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earth would liev schreiber, sunday at night on cnn the secret recordings taken by a liberal activist are raising new questions about the impartiality of the us supreme court as it grapples with declining trust from the american public. >> those tapes obtained by rolling stone magazine captured us supreme court justices are weighing in on political matters cnn's jessica schneider has more tonight, no comment from the supreme court after two of its most senior justices and one of their spouses are heard on secret recordings discussing sensitive topics people in this country we're leaving embedded, keep fighting to return our country to a place the bodley names. i agree with you justice samuel alito speaking to lauren windsor during a dinner last week, hosted by the supreme court historical society windsor, a liberal activist posing as a devout catholic when talking with the justice, where he also addresses the current the polarization of the country that we can go the polar if i it is a matter of like winning. >> i think you're probably right now one side or the other, one side or the other i don't know i mean, there can be a way of working our way of living together, please it's different because there are differences fundamental things that really can't it's not like what the difference. this society condemned the secret recordings, saying attendees are advised not to discuss anything from the event windsor defended her actions today in an interview with cnn there's nothing illegal in dc about recording people so long as one person is a party to that conversation to people who want to pearl-clutchers about this yeah. >> please tell me how we're going to get answers when the supreme court has been shrouded in secrecy and really just refusing any degree of accountability whatsoever cnn has not independently obtained or heard the recordings in full, but they come after recent an ethics concerns involving the court, including controversial flags flown at homes of justice alito, flags at the justice said, were put up by his wife martha-ann alito, also heard on the audio where she addressed the flag controversy head-on you know what i want i want sacred heart of jesus glad because i had to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. exactly. >> and he's like please don't put up a flag. i said i won't do it because i'm deferring to you. but when you are free of this nonsense, i'm putting it up and i'm going to send them a message every day, maybe every week. i'll be changing the flags. >> windsor also secretly recorded chief justice john roberts, who rebuffed her when she made a case for a more christian society we live in a christian nation and they are supreme court. so be guided know that we live in a christian nation. i know a lot of jewish and muslim hello, friends who would say maybe not. and it's not our job to do that job, the decide cases, especially and so far no comment on these secret recordings from the supreme court or from the job justices are from justice alito's wife. >> now the supreme court historical society, they hosted this dinner where the recordings were made. this is a yearly event and it's held inside in the court building. were members of the society are allowed to buy tickets for themselves. and one guest. and then of course, the gathering provides members this rare access to the justices as we saw in these secret recordings, wolf, it'll be interesting to see if any of their rules change after this secret recording. >> yes, it will. let's see if that happens. jessica schneider. thank you very much. i want to discuss this with our cnn legal analyst, steve vladeck. he's a professor at the university texas school of law. steve, do you see these comments from justice alito specifically as inappropriate? and is it reasonable to question his impartiality wolfe, i think what i'm struck by in those recordings is the contrast between justice alito who, you know, for better, for worse, took the bait and who had no problem expressing views on subjects that you probably shouldn't have versus what we heard from chief justice roberts, which is basically what they teach in judge school, ought to be the answer when judges are asked to weigh in on contemporary political debates so i think justice alito is remarks are probably right up, if not over the line, wolf, the problem is putting them in context where this is not a one-off, where we're seeing so many examples of justice alito saying things like this in public suggested that he has very strong political views now he's having a hard time checking those at the door. >> well, if i think it's the aggregation of all of these public statements by justice alito. that's really the source of the cause for concern. >> because you know steve, this is the second controversy involving a martha-ann alito ginni thomas, also has faced questions about her political activities. so how does that impact perceptions of the us supreme court? >> yeah. i mean, i think there's no question that it has some bearing on public perception of the court. i mean, we really ought not to be judged by the actions of our spouses that certainly my wife's position about me but i do think it's worth stressing that the real question here is not can justice x participate in case why? the real question is, are the justices behaving in a way that is enhanced in public faith in the integrity of the court as an institution or not. and so for as much as justice alito has tried to suggest that the entire flag controversy are basically his wife's fault. i think his responses have not suggested that he is especially concerned about the message that the flag sent. his responses at the supreme court historical society suggest that he's not particularly concerned about being publicly associated with deeply, intensely divisive political comments and so wolfe, i think again, the question is whether if you look at this as a whole, there's reason to worry, not about individual justices in individual cases, but about whether there are justices on the supreme court who really do cede part of their job as picking a side and who are caring about when winning versus what we heard from chief justice this is robert, which is their job is to basically toe the line politically and decide the cases before them. >> we don't expect the justices to be saints, but we do expect them to at least appear publicly as if they are completely uninvestigated. >> and i think that's the concern that all of this behavior by justice alito by justice thomas, by their spouses is really brings us back to steve vladeck. thanks for your legal analysis. appreciate it very much. coming up newly on earth messages from the leader of hamas reportedly showing my, he thinks deaths of palestinians will help the terror groups war with israel will have a live report from the region just ahead june 19th, cnn celebrate juneteenth with special performances by john legend how do you 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are now expected as an effort to set piece into motion. i don't think anyone other than the hamas leadership in gaza actually are the ones who can make make decisions that's what we're waiting. secretory state antony blinken, who's traveling in the region, said that israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu reaffirmed his commitment to the current deal on the table that was detailed in speech 11 days ago by president biden the pressure now increasingly on one man alone who started this war and could end it. yahya sinwar, the military leader of hamas. >> sinwar helped mastermind the horrific october 7 attacks and is suspected be hiding out in the tunnels under gaza exactly where is unknown our frehse reports out today from the wall street journal details messages between sinwar and hamas officials participating in the ceasefire talks in doha. >> the exchanges show that the terrorist leader thinks he may have the upper hand in the current negotiations. quote, we have the israelis, right where we want them. sinwar allegedly said in recent messages, these stunning messages which cnn cannot independently verify, reveal his frame of mind as this war drags into its ninth month with the palestinian death toll climbing sinwar row quote, these are necessary sacrifices, and this is why us officials believe sinwar has had little incentive to broker a deal, not only with israel refuse to stop fighting, but the pressure we'll continue to mount on israel daily, which sinwar believes is to his benefit the israeli military responded to these messages saying, quote, hamas leaders don't care about gazans. how many times did they have to say it for themselves before the world believes them? and as blinken continues to push for a deal that could eventually end the war, he took game let's sinwar, are they looking after one guy who may be for now safe varied i don't know ten stories underground somewhere in gaza. >> while the people but he purports to represent continue to suffer in a 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approach come with some risks i think guesses growling attorney general garland is a patriot i mean, he was a judge. >> he's devoted his life to public service. he started out at the justice department. he's standing up for the civil servants. most of the people at the justice department are not political appointees. and he's saying, let's administer the rule of law fairly. don't attack them on another issue of hunter biden's felony gun conviction today, you sit on the house oversight committee shortly after the verdict, your committee chairman james comer, said, and i'm quoting him now until the department of justice investigates, everyone involved in the bidens corrupt influence, peddling schemes. >> it will be clear department carpenter officials continue to cover for the big guy, joe biden. how do you respond to the committee chairman it said that he's politicizing this look, the verdict is very sad. >> under biden faced addiction, he overcame addiction and the president has said that he respects the process, but this had nothing to do. with what comer is investigation was about that covered no wrongdoing. and i think most americans will say, we know someone who suffered addiction. we understand that and it's just a sad situation. >> you think hunter biden's conviction, congressman, will have any political impact on the president no. >> other than showing the american people that a, he follows the rule of law. you haven't heard him criticized the judge. you haven't heard him criticize the jury and be his loving father, and that he really cares respects then myers, a son who's overcome addiction, went through incredible grief at the loss of his brother and he's a decent father. >> let me quickly turned while i have you congressmen to the israel-hamas war the us back ceasefire plan appears to be in turmoil right now, is mediators are parsing through hamas is response and push for prime minister netanyahu to publicly sign-on what we're leverage does the us have to get each side closer to accepting a deal? >> well, the united states i think has laid out a very reasonable pragmatic position on a permanent ceasefire, one that i wholeheartedly support. i hope hamas, accepts it even if sin, sinwar is an accepting and maybe the other hamas leadership will accept it. it's going to save pelosi allies and i hope netanyahu accepts it because it is the only way to get the hostages out. and it's the only way to start to bring peace in that region and have new governance and palestine with the saudis, uae, jordan, and egypt. the president has been right and putting this fall forward and i hope secretary blinken will prevail on both hamas and israel we shall see congressman ro khanna. >> thank you so much for joining us and we'll be right back. >> alder james is cold, calculating, cynical, and needs the money not only was the cia compromise, he also was compromised, secrets and spies. >> a nuclear games sunday at ten on cnn. >> you give, and you give. now you 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travis kelce, and the attention of the former president of the united states in november interview for an upcoming book, excerpts of which are published in variety. donald trump was asked his thoughts about pop superstar taylor swift trump gushed saying quote, i think she's beautiful, very beautiful. i find her very beautiful trump then digressed saying, i think she's liberal. she probably doesn't like trump, but then he went back to talking about swift's appearance, quote, i think she's very beautiful, actually unusually beautiful. >> these are very donald trump quo, you know, he obviously he doesn't know much about taylor swift. so it's easy for him just to turn and look at her looks and comment on what she looks like one democratic strategist says, this could be a case of trump trying to get on the good side of the wildly popular singer. i think that he doesn't want to accept this 50s. i think we all know what happens when that when we awake a giant of the swifties, this comes as many in the political sphere are wondering, will swift endorsed joe biden as she did in 2024 years, analysts say swift was reluctant to get into polish her dad was really scared for her to step into the political arena because we know that comes with a lot of backlash no matter which sayyed your on in 2018, swift finally jumped in endorsing to democratic congressional candidates in tennessee, where she owns property hoping that i know is right. and you hey guys i need to be on the right side of history in a netflix documentary about her swift is captured in an argument with her father about getting involved in politics. she was critical of republican marsha blackburn, who ended up winning that senate race in tennessee she votes against against fair pay for women. she votes against the re-authorization of the violence against women act, which is just basically protecting us for domestic abuse. using stocking stocking, political analysts say both trump and biden need to cultivate the taylor swift voting demographic. >> this is one of the more popular entertainers musicians, and the world right now and it comes at a time where both candidates are also fighting for that younger vote for the younger generation some trump's supporters may already be skeptical of taylor swift and her politics in january pro-trump broadcasters and politicians put out conspiracy theories implying that the nfl had rig games and favor of the kansas city chiefs to promote swift and travis kelce and give them a platform to endorse president biden, none of which, of course, was even remotely close to being true wealth. how instrumental has taylor swift been in getting out the vote? >> this is why the biden and trump campaigns both want her on their side, wolf last year in september, she put out a message on instagram asking young people to register to vote according to tracking agencies. as a result of that in just one day, about 35,000 people registered to vote. that's how much sway she has 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shell. powering progress. defensive democracy. president biden is about an hour from landing in philadelphia tonight after playing -- paying a march to fallen world war i heroes at a cemetery in france. congressman jerry conley of the house foreign affairs committee joins me to discuss the study in contrast with implications for global stability. inside the biden campaign with the re-election effort in full swing in the first presidential debate a few weeks away, adrian elrod, campaign senior adviser and spokesperson is here to talk about the biden-harris game plan ahead. former congressman joe walsh, former congressman donna edwards and andrew of punch bowl news will weigh in on everything from donald trump's interview tomorrow to notable comments on the and other sunday shows and you know we are going to discuss this disparaging comment from rudy giuliani about fulton county d.a. fani willis. >> i have two prosecutors. >> i am jonathan capehart. this is the sunday show. president biden is flying back from france at this hour after a five-day trip highlighting america's fight for freedom and democracy abroad . biden began his visit with a d speech at the site of the day honoring the soldiers who stormed the beaches of normandy, and defeated fascism. earlier today, the president stopped by the world war i cemetery outside paris where he praised the nato alliance that has secured peace for the past eight decades. >> mr. president, what do you hope americans take away? >> the knowledge that the best way to avoid these kinds of battles in the future is to stay strong with our allies. do not break. do not break. >> 80 years of relative peace, especially in europe, is a historical admiration. we have been able to maintain this piece because of institutions like nato, created with and sustained by leadership in the united states and presidents from both parties. we cannot take this peace and world order for granted. biden's remarks were also a clear rebuke to donald trump and the selfishness he is shown on the world stage. in 2018, trump infamously refused to enter the cemetery where biden spoke today. the atlantic reportedend quote, trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain and because he did not believe it important to honor american war dead. trump said, why should i go to that cemetery? it's filled with losers. former white house chief of staff john kelly, a retired four-star marine general, also confirmed that conversation to cnn, but trump denies it ever happened, calling the story quote, made up, at a rally in las vegas today. he also complimented hungarian strongman victor or bond and shared his own dark vision of the world order. >> the world is going to look up to us with respect. they're not going to be laughing at us. they right now are laughing at us. your closer right now to world war iii than you've ever been in this is no longer army tanks going back and forth. these are nuclear weapons the likes of which, and the power of which has never ever been seen before. >> trumps fear mongering about nuclear war comes less than 24 hours before he will be sitting down with a probation officer in new york. nbc news has the reporting that trump will be interviewed tomorrow as part of the presentencing requirements for his criminal conviction. as biden prepares for g-7 summit in italy this week, trump will be focused on securing his own freedom because as dana milbank writes in the washington post today, trump is serving the highest cause he knows, himself. joining me now is democratic congressman jerry connolly of virginia, member of the house foreign affairs committee and senior member of the house oversight committee. as always, thank you very much for coming to the sunday show. let's start with breaking news out of israel for a key rival of israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, opposition leader benny gantz, just resigned from israel's war cabinet. what could this mean for cease- fire negotiations? >> i hope it puts more pressure on netanyahu to agree to his own government's proposal for a cease-fire agreement that president biden has been championing. i think the loss of gantz really fractures unity in israel at a time when it desperately needs it but i do think and hope it puts political pressure on netanyahu to end the fighting and the killing, and come to an agreement so hostages can be released and civilians can try to restore their lives. >> hundreds of palestinians were killed in the raid that rescued was four israeli hostages yesterday. , and that impact negotiations? >> the initial response in israel is celebration at the release of four hostages who have been there for eight months . that is to be celebrated, but the loss of life incurred in doing that is something that i think is horrifying, and i would hope the israeli military and the israeli government take a moment of reflection about the high cost of their operations generally in gaza. >> one more question on israel before we turn to domestic issues. there is also talk of opening up another front in the north to deal with hezbollah in lebanon. would that be a wise thing for israel to do? >> i am not a military adviser but i think israel has its hands full right now with the operations in gaza and the occupation of the west bank to open up really a third front on the lebanese border with hezbollah, i think, would really tax the israeli military in ways that go back to rivaling the war of 1973, and i hope it can be avoided. >> let's turn our attention stateside. mckay [ inaudible ] reports about how terrified europe is of a second trump presidency reading quote, one word came up again and again when i asked european officials about the stakes of the election. existential. but here's what senator tom cotton had to say about ending the current war on european soil in ukraine. >> the way to have peace in europe and for that matter, peace and stability around the world is to remove joe biden from the white house on election day this year and return donald trump. that is how we will get back to peace and stability. >> congressman, why shouldn't europeans be afraid with comments like that? >> they should be and they are. i've been very involved in the legislative arm of nato for the last decade plus, and i can tell you i have never seen the europeans as anxious about american politics as they are right now. everything is at stake and as you indicated, nato, ironically, house work. it's kept the peace for most of 80 years. it is the one thing putin respects. he will not cross the nato border because of article five it says an attack on one his attack on all of us and we mean it. he has respected that. he has respected nothing else in this war but that so to call into question the viability on the utility and the efficacy of nato when it is working and we have a war going on is really reckless, and i don't think any european is going to turn to tom cotton for advice as we go forward. >> we should point out that article five is been invoked only once in nato's history, and that was to protect the united states after the terrorist attacks of 9/11. meanwhile, far right parties have made significant gains in elections today so much so that french president macron announced today that he would dissolve the nation's parliament and call for snap elections and this is significant because his current term does not end until 2027. are the far right forces gaining record support in europe as much a threat as a trump 2.0 in washington? >> i think there is a lot of variety among what is generically called the right in europe. the right in italy is very different than the right in germany and austria and on and on. obviously it is alarming to see this kind of far right parties make gains in european elections. european elections sometimes are a second vote for europeans, so they might not vote for the people who govern their own country but it is kind of a free vote, a way of expressing dissatisfaction with the status quo. obviously it reflects deep concern about the immigration issue in europe and we have to take note of that and respect that as a potent issue going forward. >> potent issue in europe, but does that also mean americans should look at what is happening in europe, american officials look at what is happening in europe and taking? >> yes. we can't afford to ignore what's happening in europe. that does not necessarily mean exactly that will happen here but it does not mean nothing. it is resonating with voters and we've got to take cognizance of that. >> jerry connolly, member of the house foreign affairs committee and senior member of the house oversight committee, thanks for coming to the sunday show. joining me now, barbara walter, professor of relations at the university of california, san diego, she is the author of how civil wars started how to stop them. thank you very much for coming back to the sunday show. so, is it me or does it feel to you that trumps rhetoric of revenge and vengeance has kicked into a whole new gear, and how significant is it that his high-ranking followers are openly calling for the prosecution of trumps so-called enemies? >> well, the evidence is very clear. if you go back and listen to tapes and watch videos of trump in 2016, he is a very different person today and what he is saying is different than in 2016. he is much more aggressive. he is using much more negative, hate-filled, threatening language. it is like he is a bully on steroids today whereas he was not in 2016, and one of the things we also know from lots of research is that rhetoric matters, especially violent rhetoric, that if you have leaders who begin to normalize the idea that violence is legitimate, that their supporters believe it and some of them actually follow through with it, so it's not agnostic. it's not a game. this is not something that has no repercussions. if you have somebody like trump , who so many people idolize and his so many people believe is their hero and who is going to save them and he's telling them that the only way to save america is through violence, the only way that they won't be in danger is if they take back their country, they are going to believe him. >> the washington post has a front-page story about the former trump director who wrote in a 2022 essay quote, we are living in a post-constitutional time. according to the time, that quote has helped craft proposals for donald trump to deploy the military to quash civil unrest, sees more control over the justice department and assert the power to withhold congressional appropriations and that is just on trump's first day back in office. barbara, why should americans be very concerned about this? >> again, history tells us a lot. it used to be that the way autocrats came to power in democracies was through military coups. they got the military to help them, but that is not the case in the 21st century. today, the most likely way an autocrat can take control of democracy is through essentially legal means. they play the democratic game. they get elected. they build a base. they tell people that they are going to save them from all these bad things that could happen to them. they convince them that democracy maybe isn't the best system. it's not efficient, not effective, not serving them, then they slowly withdraw the guardrails of democracy in one of the reasons why trump is so in awe of victor orban, the leader of hungary, is that he is really the very first 21st- century leader to do this, and he did it masterfully. it is almost as if he wrote the book on it, and trump has met with him a number of times, and i suspect that one of the things they are talking about is how we can do this in the united states, and we know that organizations like the heritage foundation have crafted very lengthy manuals for how the republican party can do this in 2024 if trump wins. >> right, and it's called project 25 out of the heritage foundation. barbara, thank you very much for coming to the sunday show. coming up, the view from inside president biden's re- election campaign. adrian elrod, senior adviser and spokesperson for the biden- harris campaign joins me in studio to talk about their strategy on contentious issues like border security, the economy and the war in gaza. plus, how drag performers are helping lead the charge on attacks against the lgbtq+ community. you are watching the sunday show on msnbc. you are watching show on msnbc. if you're living with hiv, imagine being good to go without daily hiv pills. good to go unscripted. good to go on a whim. with cabenuva, there's no pausing for daily hiv pills. for adults who are undetectable, cabenuva is the only complete, long-acting hiv treatment you can get every other month. it's two injections from a healthcare provider. just 6 times a year. don't receive cabenuva if you're allergic to its ingredients, or if you're taking certain medicines, which may interact with cabenuva. serious side effects include allergic reactions, post-injection reactions, liver problems, and depression. if you have a rash and other allergic reaction symptoms, stop cabenuva and get medical help right away. tell your doctor if you have liver or kidney problems, mental health concerns and if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, or considering pregnancy. some of the most common side effects include injection-site reactions, fever, and tiredness. with cabenuva, you're good to go. ask your doctor about switching. i told myself i was ok with my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis symptoms. with my psoriatic arthritis symptoms. but just ok isn't ok. and i was done settling. if you still have symptoms after a tnf blocker like humira or enbrel, rinvoq is different and may help. rinvoq is a once-daily pill that can rapidly relieve joint pain, stiffness, and swelling in ra and psa. relieve fatigue... and stop further joint damage. and in psa, can leave skin clear or almost clear. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin; heart attack, stroke, and gi tears occurred. people 50 and older with a heart disease risk factor have an increased risk of death. serious allergic reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. done settling? 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>> yes, i think so. part of what we wanted to emphasize in that ad is under president biden, you have the freedom to live under democracy. you have the freedom to make your own economic decisions. before trump put three pro-life supreme court justices on the court we women have the freedom to make our own reproductive health decisions. that freedom was taken away solely because of donald trump's a part of what that is doing is connecting the dots. we currently have the freedom to live under a democracy but if donald trump steps back into the white house, democracy will be at risk and when you saw president biden, who had an incredible week overseas honoring our following -- fallen and the 80th anniversary of d-day, how american allies in america fought to protect democracy across the world is a smart risk now than it ever was. now weaving all of these things together, talking about the freedoms we have in the president biden and the freedoms we won't have if trump wins the election, that is core to this campaign, and you will continue to hear that message throughout the next five months. while the president was in france yesterday, thousands of palestinian protesters rallied outside the white house urging the president to halt military aid to israel. how are these protests waiting on the campaign? >> first of all president biden, unlike former president trump, supports freedom of speech and expression. these protesters are exercising their right. that being said, we understand it the challenge. president biden is certainly fighting for every vote. he's not taking anything for granted but this is the freedom people have. they have the right to protest. they have the right to speak their mind. is not going to take anything for granted and it's important to keep in mind during these challenging times on the foreign policy front, on the global front, can you imagine having donald trump back in the white house trying to manage all this? president biden is a seasoned foreign-policy pro-who served as the chair on the senate foreign relations committee for a long time. he has these relationships with world leaders that go deep so we are going to be reinforcing the fact that is an important attribute the president has. at the same time we are working hard for every single vote. >> one thing that is going to make getting every vote a little problematic is the president's new executive action on the border which temporarily halts asylum requests once the average number of daily encounters tops 2500 at points of entry and it is drawing criticism from all quarters on both sides of the aisle. are you afraid of alienating progressive voters who argue that this policy is too harsh? >> no, we are not because here is the bottom line. republicans in congress did not act because their supreme leader donald trump said you can't. we will not pass the most historic bipartisan bill that has come forward in congress for 10 years because they did not want joe biden to have a win. they did not want him to have a political wins a president biden has to use every lover he can in the white house to do something about the border. americans know, democrats and republicans understand that there is a crisis of the border and asked to get solved but if congress is not going to act, if republicans in congress are going to block products -- progress on this than president biden is going to use every level at his disposal to try to make some change so this was an important executive action last week. it is something that has to take place and it is unfortunate that congress won't act. hopefully they will. there is still time to come to the table. that's where we are. >> okay, great economic news for the country, particularly the president. unemployment remains below 4%, but what guidance importers -- biden supporters are complaining about is that they are not hearing some of these things. >> reporter: you're not the first person who told me that the president is not necessarily communicating his accomplishments. why do you think he's not doing that? >> he needs to do better at basically putting it in people's faces. i accomplished this. i did this and the benefits you have now or because of me and my administration. that needs to be clear because i don't think many people do know what he has actually gotten done. >> so the question is this. is it that you're not communicating, or you are not breaking through when you do communicate, and if it is the latter, how are you going to breakthrough? >> she just did a really great job. i don't have to tell you this. it is really hard to breakthrough in the cycle. that's why we are using surrogates and taking our message to the voters. we have an aggressive digital strategy working with surrogates to get that message out but at the same time, everything president biden has accomplished, record gdp growth, record unemployment, the 15 million jobs he's created under his presidency, we understand americans are still hurting. prices are still too high which is why he is really making the case that in a second term is going to continue to work hard to lower prices and drug cost unlike donald trump, who has no economic plan. >> the first presidential debate is in three weeks, june 27th. i'm not convinced trump is going to show up. are you already planning for that possibility? >> we are showing up. i can't speak for what he's going to do but president biden is showing up and looking forward to this conversation. he has a lot of things to talk to donald trump about and is looking forward to having a major platform to tell the american people. >> thank you very much for coming to the sunday show. coming up, donald trump's first official rally since his criminal conviction just one day before his first meeting with a new york probation officer. my panel is studio will weigh in on that and more, next on the sunday show. the sunday sho. and while we're still miles from the lake, i'm gonna launch this boat right here. see ya. 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>> for sure. you see many of these potential running mates for donald trump going on tv, rushing to defend him and his various cases and advancing some of the same arguments. i agree that she is probably a top contender. on capitol hill the conversation usually centers around people like senator tim scott or jd vance. some conversations involve senator marco rubio, as well. there is the question of him having florida residency and former president trump having florida residency in this arcane role for the top of the ticket in the vice presidential nominee cannot be from the same state technically so how do you address that issue constitutionally but he is in the conversation. elise stefanik is out there doing this because she wants to be trump's vice presidential nominee. she is someone who came up in the republican party is someone viewed as a moderate, someone who will change the face of the party. she started this organization, winning for women, a republican women's group supporting candidates across the country that were more moderate, more centrist talking about issues that are more appealing to suburban women voters, for example, that republicans have lost out on in the last few elections and you see the transformation in real-time here. >> yes, huge transformation. you invoke the name of another person auditioning for terms vpn that is senator tim scott. listen to what he claims would happen if donald trump wins re- election. >> protecting law and justice is job one for president trump. he will not target his political opponents. he were fire merrick garland and restore confidence in the department of justice. >> for real, he will not target his political opponents? this week all he said was oh you know, i might have to get revenge. come on. >> every time he speaks i don't recognize who he is but to end this point, i don't know who the vp pick is going to be but it will be somebody who is going to have to lie about the election and say that donald trump is a victim right now who will weaponize the justice department. that's the job requirement. >> tim scott is just like all these republican vp wannabes, and they are going down to the very bottom to defend donald trump to say that he is saying things that he doesn't say. donald trump himself has said how he's going to weaponize the department of justice. we are not making that up. those are his own words so i think these republicans are trying to clean up donald trump's act but it is really not working. >> i want to squeeze in one more potential vp nominee. this is congressman byron donalds at the town hall event. this is a change my mind, not element seven, element six. watch this. >> during jim crow, more black people were not just conservative but more black people voted conservatively. >> the congressman went on with reverend sharpton yesterday and they got into, you know, shouting match with byron donalds saying i didn't say that i'm not going to sit here and have you lie. we just saw that. why -- can you -- >> byron donalds post a video of himself saying that during jim crow over 4000 fathers, brothers, mothers, sisters were lynched. during jim crow, people's rights were taken away from them. during jim crow, black families were terrorized across the south. byron donalds, i don't know what vision -- what version of america he is living but it is not a version many of our parents and grandparents would recognize. >> i want to give a shout out to my colleagues who did a masterful job interviewing him and pointing out all those things. my sound off panel is going to stay with us. don't go anywhere. we are going to discuss rudy giuliani's crazy comment about fani willis. with bounce pet, you can cuddle and brush that hair off. bounce, it's the sheet. 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>> all right. you already know what i'm going to ask. >> none of this applies to trump. absolutely no remorse. he is not following the rules. my great fear is, though, he's going to be sentenced to prison and become even a bigger martyr than he is now. >> i spent a lot of time in criminal court reading pre- sentence reports. it's hard to imagine that trump is going to do anything that really mitigates in front of the judge for sentencing and i think a probation officer is going to have to conclude that this is a man who will not abide by the rules of probation that are set for him. >> well i mean, he doesn't have to go to jail. can't they put him under house arrest? >> there are a lot of options but it still means he will be, on some level, on probation and the question is, is he going to comply with those rules and the answer is no. >> and he wanted and he will scream he's a victim. >> let's keep in mind, rules on travel and things, you have to get permission to leave but also, he can associate with anyone who has a criminal record. his entourage is lousy with convicted criminals. >>'s entourage, his campaign operation, hard to imagine he would be able to agree to even that simple rule. >> okay. no time to keep going. former congressman joe walsh, don edwards, thank you very much for coming to the sunday show. when we come back, how performers are fighting back against the taxon drag entertainment. drag entertainment. hollywood white . new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it's a great product. it's going to help a lot of patients. my mental health was better. but uncontrollable movements called td, tardive dyskinesia, started disrupting my day. td felt embarrassing. i felt like disconnecting. i asked my doctor about treating my td, and learned about ingrezza. ♪ ingrezza ♪ ingrezza is clinically proven for reducing td. most people saw results in just two weeks. people taking ingrezza can stay on most mental health meds. only number-one prescribed ingrezza has simple dosing for td: always one pill, once daily. ingrezza can cause depression, suicidal thoughts, or actions in patients with huntington's disease. pay close attention to and call your doctor if you become depressed, have sudden changes in mood, behaviors, feelings, or have thoughts of suicide. don't take ingrezza if you're allergic to its ingredients. ingrezza may cause serious side effects, including angioedema, potential heart rhythm problems, and abnormal movements. report fevers, stiff muscles, or problems thinking as these may be life threatening. sleepiness is the most common side effect. take control by asking your doctor about ingrezza. ♪ ingrezza ♪ we really don't want people to think of feeding food like ours is spoiling their dogs. good, real food is simple. it looks like food, it smells like food, it's what dogs are supposed to be eating. no living being should ever eat processed food for every single meal of their life. it's amazing to me how many people write in about their dogs changing for the better. the farmer's dog is just our way to help people take care of them. ♪ shingles. some describe it as an intense burning sensation. or an unbearable itch. this painful blistering rash could also disrupt your work and time with family. shingles could also lead to long—term, debilitating nerve pain that can last for months or even years. if you're over 50, the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside of you. 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class="nosel"> artwork and his name. he seemed content. during one of his mental health evaluations, he told doctors, this is the happiest i've been in my life. i'm happy as a clam, to be honest. i really am. be honest. i really am. jr. who four decades after shooting an american president appeared at peace with his past. that's all for this edition of "dateline." # thank you for watching. . good morning. and welcome to the saturday edition of morning joe weekend. it was a busy week, so let's get to the conversations you might have missed. >> you can't gag a nominee. can you imagine you are running for office and not allowed to talk. when that ndhappens, we are no longer's democracy. and we are not ppgoing to let that happen. and i know a lot of republicans want retribution and want to do that we are rigoing to see what happens. >> donald trump is ratcheting up threats to prosecute his rivals if reelected following his conviction on 34 felony counts in his criminal hush money trial. and in a new piece for "the new york times," it's taking a closer eslook at what that coul mean. explaining it like this, the justice department is part of the executive branch. and he will be its boss. he will be able to tell its officials to investigate and prosecute his rivals and mr. trump who has made no secret of his desire to purge the federal bureaucracy of those found insufficiently loyal to achis agenda will be able to fire those who refuse. what's more, the times also highlights how republican leaders in and out of government, are publicly pushing to prosecute democrats as legal retribution for trump's felony conviction. specifically, steve bannon, the former chief's strategist evto trump who fowas convicted in a federal prosecution for failing to comply with a congressional subpoena. and in the january 6th investigation. he told the times in a text message that now is the time for obscure republican prosecutors around the country to make a name for themselves by prosecuting democrats. stating, "there are dozens of ambitious back bencher state attorneys general and district attorneys who need to seize the day and own this moment in history. the cohost of the weekend simone sanders townsent and an host of the podcast on brand with donny deutch and state attorney for palm beach county, florida, dave. dave, can you expound upon how this time around if trump did win another term in the presidency, that actually those threats wouldn't be something that republicans or people who choose to vote for him despite thinking that's wrong, perhaps going oh, you know, he is not serious, how actually this time around it can be serious. >> it's dangerous if donald trump gets a lackey as attorney general they have immense powers as federal prosecutor a and less ability to influence local prosecutors. one of the best things about being a local district attorney is that the governor, the attorney general and the president isthey are not your bosses. the people of our communities are our bosses, and that's why when maga blames joe biden for pulling the strings in the new york case. they are lying or have fundamental misunderstanding of the chris fuma'am justice syste i can assure you no might house or president e called me to go after anyone especially donald trump. and if the white house was involved at the local level ed they would be calling me e because i am the state attorney with mar-a-lago in my jurisdiction. what this shows is team trump is projecting yet again when they claim that prosecutors are weaponized against former president. they are now trying to do what they are falsely accusing political opponents. it's cynical and dangerous and shows how the rule of law means nothing to the people. >> let's take other side and what democrats are tdoing and should be emdoing in the wake o the verdict. have seen polls suggest slight move towards president biden. a point or two. "new york potimes" had a survey they went back and recanvassed voters they spoke to and now the verdict modest but 2 points towards biden in race that's clothes but what should democrats being doing in terms of addressing the rules of law but how should they be taking on the verdict? is it something that should be front and center inor a piece o the puzzle. >> i said last week. it's a branding issue. whenever they refer to them they should start with convicted felon like he used to call lying ted. that's his name convicted felon donald trump. keep it present because as you talked about earlier, the a parade moves on. and this is something the parade shouldn't move on. the other thing i couldn't help watching this 'tmorning from normandy and biden speech, as biden referred to tyranny around the world and a w dictatorship and lack of freedom around the world, i was not confused. i was thinking was he talking about trump or putin which was the bigger threat he was talking about. and everybody should just watch and look at faces of those hundred-year-old men, the greatest generation who gave their lives not -- they gave their lives but partners gave their lives and they put their lives on the line. what they did that for so we, today, could have a free vote. it's as simple as that. they gave it for freedom. what's on the line in the ballot, and i am not overlie dramatic is free elections going forward. donald trump tellsous what he is going to do and will we have free elects if donald trump is elected and that's on the line and that's also with democrats we have to continue to do is no more complicated than that. it's freedom versus the end of democracy. that's it. that's not hyperbole. >> and simone, in order to dedo that and in order to defeat donald trump, think we have to pick up a certain percentage of trump voters. so. >> well. >> my question go ahead. >> well, tii would say, not tru voters because trump voters are voting for trump. there are very few people who brand themselves as trump voters who would consider casting a ballot for joe biden. and so i actually think in y order to win, joe biden has to recreate parts of his coalition from 2020, and that coalition included republicans and obviously an until of voters and democrat being base voters. and i have to tell you all i talked to our colleague michael steele one of oumy cohost on th weekend about this often. and michael hesteele is you hav to create a structure because republicans and they cannot fathom e voting for joe biden. he think what the issue is democratic voters, because the tent is so big, especially black and latino voters, young people, right, women voting democrat for a long time, they have not had a problem going into a voting booth checking the box or pushing a button for a person that doesn't align with them on everything because they are clear about why they are voting and the person will give me everything and is not with me on all the things. but i got to go into the ballot box for x, y and z. lee pub cans voters have not had to do that for a lopping time. to ask republican voters never had to hold the nose and cast a ballot for someone they don't think alines with them 100%. and in this election, when we talk about democracy, and i heard-- hearing joe biden this morning every day i am proud to be an american. but today maybe especially proud because especially the joe biden is our president. because when he stood out there and he said that it is the blood of the young and the brave that will defend and he laid -- made the case very clear, that's not a speech donald trump could have given. it's not something donald trump believes. but it is going to take a coalition of people, again, as times wrote in america, presidents have to earn the mandate and idearn it from the voters. and the question on the table is can joe biden earn the mandate. and think he can but they have to recreate the coalition. >> simone, what he said was the price of unchecked tyranny is the blood of our young. and will we stand up to that tyranny. the answer is yes. and i felt the same thing you did. i did feel the very same way. >> george's 2020 election interference case will not go to trial before presidential election this november. yesterday, a georgia court of appeals officially stayed the case until at least october. that ntmonth the court will hea a challenge of judge scott decision's to allow district attorney fani willis to remain. it applies to former president trump and multiple codefendants including rudy giuliani and former white house chief of staff mark meadows. it seems in two of the really key cases, jonathan, the delays keep coming. >> yeah, the trump playbook for more than a year now is all the charges and various jurisdictions was to delay, delay, delay to try to push them past the election. that didn't work in new york. and atwe know that and got a verdict last week. but seems to be working about everywhere else. georgia case definitively not happening until after the election. mar-a-lago classified documents case, judge cannon seems to be running interference at times for the trump campaign and that's been delayed. so dave, that leaves one. and that's the federal january 6th case. he which right now, big peas of it lie before the supreme court waiting a-a ruling whether or not presidents have full immunity. it's been described to me as a couple options here. one option is they say no of course not and if that's the case there is still a slim chance that jack smith could get the trial done in maybe august and therefore, we would have that before the election. but, if they do anything else including kick it back to the circuit court it will be beyond ma. give us your analysis what you think could, but will happen. >> the only case that could go before the election is that d.c. election interference case. judge cannon slow walking the case and cathe case in fulton county and fani willis had self- inflicted wounds and d.c. a judge who wants it to go and prosecution who wants it to go, but the supreme court is holding it up. now, there are a lot of options. the people are court could ou throw it back to the judge and say fact-finding. p that would make much harder . to have the trial before the election. but she would have a public fact-finding hearing which then the public would learn about all the dirty details around donald trump's involvement with january 6th. that's something. but in the end, think the problem is that the people need to know whether donald trump is guilty of the crimes and everyone was agasped about on january 6th. and department of justes which normally doesn't push cases shortly before the election has announced they will go to trial in this case wwithin 06 days o the election if the supreme court gives it the green light. >> we have lots more to get to this hour. morning joe weekend continues after a short break. joe weeken after a short break. ke a migrai. with 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ago on d-day, and talk about the losses that ukraine is incurring right now from the same type of aggression. the president did say that the support for ukraine would continue, that we will be this for ukraine. how does that -- how does that parallel with some of the what we have seen in washington that delayed the much needed aid ukraine needed to push back against russian aggression? >> well, you know, that aide should have gotten there a long time ago but i am glad it is there i and making a difference. every i day we are pushing it to the front lines making sure ukrainians have it and can use it. but there's a powerful parallel between what we are commemorating today and what we are doing. back then it was not just the united states. here in normandy, 12 countries came together. 160,000 men coming to the beach, coming to start the final fight that ultimately 11 months later led to victory in world war ii. ukraine, more than 50 countries standing up, standing together, and making sure that ukraine has what it needs to defend itself and push back aggression. and that's the power of our alliances and that's the biggest difference maker in the world. our adversaries and competitors, they don't have the same alliances they coerced countries and pay them off, here, we have country after country that volunteers to stand together stand together in defense of principles that we share and need tee fending. we see that in ukraine and saw it 80 years ago here in normandy. >> mr. secretary, good morning. of course, the war in ukraine is the backdrop to where you are today in normandy. i wanted to get your reaction. donald trump, the presumptive republican nominee said a few times including last night on social media that he is saying that putin will release wall street journal report evan gershkovich who is being held prisoner on espionage and suggested putin will do so after the election were trump to win. can you give us a sense what he is talking about. is there a back channel conversation between trump and putin offer is this sort of dangerous rhetoric? >> i don't know what he is talking about. i can't speculate on it. all i can tell you is, we are working every day to make sure americans who are being detained arbitrarily whether in russia or anywhere else, come home. and we managed to bring more americans home who are being arbitrarily detained than any administration. and i carry a list with me every day of the americans who remain detained by one power or another, and we are working every day to make sure that not another day goes by before they are brought home to their families. i am not sure what he is referencing, but i can tell you we are working at it every day. >> mr. secretary, as you sat there this morning on sacred ground, you witnessed a group of veterans aged 98 to 103, struggling to stand in order to receive the legion of merit from the president of the united states and the president of france. given the burden that the president is carrying and you are carrying, in gaza, in the kyiv i was wondering as you watch the ceremonies and looked at the faces of these aged veterans, what were you thinking about? >> mike, it's -- it was such an incredibly powerful moment to look at men to try to imagine what it was like for them. 80 years ago. and he thought back because my dad, then, 80 years ago, had just left college in the middle of his school year, to signp for the air force to prepare to go into world war ii. and some where else on this continent, my stepfather was incarcerated in concentration camp. a death camp. and the men who came here to normandy 80 years ago, and turned the tide on the war because 11 months later world war ii was over, some of them went onto liberate the camps. and liberate my step dad and he was liberated by an american tank with that 5 pointed white star on it rushing up to a gi in the tank who opened the hatch and african american gi and he said then the only words he knew in the english language, god bless america. that's what i was thinking about today. god bless america. god bless the men who were before us who saved the world. >> mr. secretary, the president talked about nato how it is growing, how much stronger it will become against these dark forces. we have had a time in the united states where the commander in chief at the time, did not respect nato, i will say it kindly undermined it. can you share what's most important about the conviction and commitment of this international alliance. >> mika, it's really as i said, our comparative advantage we bring other countries together in common purpose so it's not just america alone. it's all of us taking on and upholding the cause of freedom. in ukraine more than 50 countries. not just the united states. and for everything we are putting into it, collectively our partners, our allies, are putting in more. and that's what's making the difference. so, to deny ourselves those alie ands -- alliances would be to short 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white house again? >> well, think that the point that biden and his team makes is foreign policy is very, very important. it's as important as any issue and the difference between biden and trump on foreign policy is as big a difference as has existed on foreign policy in 100 years maybe ever. biden believes in alliances. trump and his team are very skeptical don't like alliances. it matters generally for the future of the world and for americans prosperity and security which way the country chooses to go. >> tell us more if you will about the president's vision for a second term in terms of the foreign policy particularly on the matters of ukraine and what we are seeing in israel and gaza. >> so, you know, big issue in the background is china managing china's rise. what biden talks about in the interview is a kind of alliance based approach to managing that. they point to he and his team point to ukraine as an example of the way that it values based alliance can maximize amplify american power and influence. he is expanneded nato, and he brought in some asian powers into the effort in ukraine in ways people haven't done before. and in the middle east it's been a more prague mat being approach after initially isolating insaudi arabia the administration pivoted and embraced them to pull them back from china. and obviously,s's wrestled mightily with the alliance with israel and with netanyahu. all that gets to how you manage china, which is the first country in 100 years that has the potential to challenge the u.s. both militarily and economically, and you know, that really competition is going to shape, you know, the future for the u.s. over the coming century. >> so tell us a little more about that and also the role india might play. we have prime minister and his party today we are learning going to be reelected, but a small margin than anticipated. how does president biden attempt to say he will attempt to manage the forces? >> so, again, it's good example of what the biden approach is versus the trump approach. trump took a bilateral one-on- one transactional by his kit and it's aes' own account achieved a lot in his own right. biden is more internationalist. so within india in addition to the straight one-on-one stuff, they focus on what's called the quad which is japan, australia, india and the u.s. and trying to build that up into a kind of a more formal sustainable force. but he's -- the list if you go back and look at stuff they rolled out, at the bilats between trump -- between biden and modi, they have a long list of things they have tried to put uneatable to bring india closer to the u.s. because you are right, that's a key strategic player in managing china. >> and of covers, the president expected to underline the importance of american alliance during speeches to commemorate the 80th anniversary of d-day this week in france. times cover story featuring president joe biden goes on sale next friday june 14th. title if he wins. 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app. read, watch and listen to breaking news and analysis any time, anywhere. go beyond the what to understand the why. download the new msnbc app now. nearly two years after the supreme court overturned roe versus wade, a new book is shedding light on conservatives strategy that finally led to the dobbs decision. the book is titled the fall of roe, rise of a new america exploring how the most fervent anti-abortion activist persuaded the court to end nearly 50 years of precedence. the book's coauthors national religion correspondent for the "new york times" and national political correspondent for the "new york times." good morning to you both congratulations. today's pub day. >> today is pub day. >> congratulations. >> today is pub day. >> your baby is out into the world. >> it is. >> it's here. >> cooply, deeply reported 350 interviews and you really get into the history of the issue. so, it's a lot to get through. but, i guess the -- i will start at the end which is how the dam broke after this half century effort to overturn roe versus wade. doubled trump getting in the white house, obviously put the three justices on the supreme court. but at the end, what happened to push it over the finish line. >> our book is the first narrative of how roe fell and we looked at final decade what have we call the roe hear and they were able to move the levers in power and big and small working at statehouses pushing through legislation. and you point out donald trump is elected and they get -- they jump on that train. it is a bullet train for them. and they get really lucky and get three seats on the supreme court. and they are dealing with an abortion rights movement that is really ileequipped and unprepared to take on the threat in a country that has a pervasive sense of denial the right part of american life for two generations could suddenly disappear. >> so, donald trump obviously evangelicals were skeptical of him in 2015 and 2016 a talked about being pro choice. many time in public previous to that, and then maybe ultimately they realized they could perhaps shape him because he wants to be elected. >> one of the interesting things we found is it was not just evangelicals that catholics played an important role in the anti-abortion movement's growth origins. evangelicals were late coming to that in history. and leaders of the anti- abortion movement actually really were rooted in their conservative christian values. values about family, womenhood, and, of course, abortion. and what our story shows it was shows values that were behind the movement. certainly as lisa said there's all the levers of power they pulled. but at its core this is happening over a period when america's becoming increasingly secular. and there's so much cultural change especially when it comes to marriage, family and sex. and these are the things the anti-abortion movement ultimately is hoping to change. it is not just about overturning roe. it's about a much bigger half century plan to really rollback the sexual revolution. >> joe, you watched this so closely from the point of view of faith but also through politics over the course of your life. >> yeah. >> and your career. culminating once donald trump is in the white house with 50 years precedence overturned. >> right in right 50 years of precedence overturn and elizabeth you are right, catholics have been pro life for quite sometime as i always joke on the show. evangelicals my church southern baptists were pro choice from the time of jesus birth until the eagles broke up. and i -- just so when you say a new america, i think it's interesting it was a new republican party and redefinition by political activists in 1979, 1980, what it meant to be in the evangelical and what it meant to be a christian. and you had people like paul you richard and jerry falwell this is how we beat a southern baptist democrat. i am curious how did their political mass nations in 1979 and 1980 not only change american politician, but based on your reporting, how did it change how evangelicals looked at their own faith. in bringing in this political controversy that many now put at the center of their faith. >> well, look, if you think about politics influencing religion or religion influence politics, and the story that we have been really seeing you have been talking about on the show for so long, is in the trump era especially in the last decade, we are really seeing the merging of those two things. and politics influencing religion. and you know, you can think back to the very long game the anti-abortion movement, conservative christians think in generations about change not just a political cycle. but, also, the people that you mentioned, that's a couple generations ago. and there was actually this most recent generation that actually got overturning roe over the finish line was really led by conservative christian women. and they have a vision of what it means to be a woman in america. how motherhood fits into that. that really changed the game in the end. and it is not just the story of kind of the '80s religious right but a modern religious right that's not just issues about abortion but issues all kinds of cultural issues. in this whole realm about rolling back the sexual revolution. >> and some ways, they have radicalized along with the republican party it's a new generation of socially conservative activists and have gone, i think donald trump republican party expanded horizons of what is possible and that's part of what we see playing out in the politics now particularly on this issue. >> well, and let's also state what every survey shows. a the love people calm they will selves evan evangelicals. tim keller said he stopped using the term because it had been so politicized. i am curious, lisa, in your reporting, i think the cliff hanger here as dobbs was being decided after the leak was whether john roberts was going to be able to get kavanaugh or barrett to come with him and just go with the mississippi 15 week ban. i am curious what did your reporting find? how close did the chief justice get to getting one of those two to take a more incremental approach? >> well, he didn't get all that close. he tried and certainly tried hard but in the end, this is not what happened. and you know, one of the most interesting things i think we found is we uncovered some new sort of internal documents that showed where this movement wants to go in the future. and how you know elizabeth was talking about how this is a movement that is really intent on changing the structure or reverting in some ways the structure of american families and what we saw was they are looking at other things going forward and that was hinted at in the decision by thomas. but, certainly, the internal documents we got a handle on we are talking about transrights and talking about parental rights and religion and public squares and things like schools or town meetings, and same sex 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way we would any other. that is our justice system working. >> the process was itself a monumental achievement. my wife stephanie is directing tonight. tonight's my night, though. okay. stephanie call 911 and and a gigantic fireman appeared. i thought, i get it now. i could get used to this. >> mommy's home. i came around the corner and our son said, it's just her. >> does everything have to be a joke with you? >> kind of, yeah. >> that is a look at the new standup special tig notaro hello, again in the special tig a mother of two speaks about the more humbling parts of parenthood as you heard there. and as well as health challenges that come with aging and even unexpected encounter she had with a firefighter inside her bedroom. the maniy and grammy nominated comedian joins us now. she is also the codirector of the movie, am i okay which premiers tomorrow on max. we will talk about that in a minute. tig so good to see you. >> you too. >> can we hear about the firefighter encounter on do you not want to give away too much about the special. it raised questions in your mind. >> it was a little confusing. i am married to a woman, and she had to call the -- she had to call 911, and a fireman came and hauled me out of the house in the middle of the night. and his just big strong arms holding me and carrying me really, i truly was in his arms thinking, oh my god, i get it now. i was so confused. and he also had a big mustache, and. >> that will get you. >> i didn't know i was into mustaches. i was so confused. because i was, you know, fighting for my life, but also like, am i in the wrong life or you know, i didn't know what was going on. but -- yeah. >> you got it. you got it a little bit. you got two kids as you talk about in the special. your wife also as you said stephanie, directed this. >> yes. >> what is the dynamic there in terms of work partnerships? she is directing you in a special how to you get along. >> we get along well. we met working together. we met as actors on a film and created shows, and written tv and film and we have done everything together. so, it just kind of felt more -- my wife has a different look than the fireman. but, my taste is all over the place. but, so, yeah, i feel like we have similar sensibilities with slight differences of course. but i think those differences elevate our vision and everything that we do. >> i mentioned the kids. there's a hilarious moment in the special recounts a moment she arrives home to less than enthusiastic children. >> one day, i came home by myself and when i walked in, the alarm said, side door open. and our son started yelling, mommy is home. mommy is home. and that's what they call stephanie. and then i came around the corner, and our son fin looked back at me and looked at his brother and said, it's just her. as if to say don't even bother even slightly turning your head. the let down is so monumental. learn from my mistake. >> some of us who have two kids at home i can relate. >> we all can. >> not being the chosen parent. tell us how you decided to draw from your home life, kids in particular, into your act? >> i mean, it just i feel like it's that extra sense as a comedian where i think this is definitely something i am going to take on stage. and then, you know, now that i am married with a family, i -- it's not just me anymore. so, i have had moments where steffi has been like, i feel like that's just for us. >> right. >> and which is fine because there's a million other opportunities. i say i live in a house with a writing staff. because there's always something that i can grab and use. >> no doubt we all have multiple children and i think we related to the moment i think i am the number three person in the house and there's four of us hold on a second. think when people see you on stage and watched your special, they think she just has it together all the time. she just walks out on the stage and just does it. and you talked a little bit about how the chaotic events leading unto the special, and i am sure leading up to what you do on the stage, talk to us a little bit about that. because people don't always see that side of comedians and others who perform publicly. >> when you say. >> i think you talked about traveling through europe and losing are suitcase and. >> yeah, yeah oh my gosh. >> and the things that go into what you do on stage. you don't just pop out there. >> i normally do, i am a freak of nature in that way where i can just show up at show time. walk in and the back stage door and walk on stage. but, when i was touring europe before this special, i did -- i lost my suitcase for almost three weeks. and it was just on tour without me. seeing all the sights that i was hoping to. and i also somebody walked in front of me at the airport, with their huge luggage, and tripped me and i was launched fractured my wrist, and ended up on crutches for the rest of my tour. and i just got off crutches three days before that special. i didn't think i was going to be able to tape it. >> did you see that person in the airport. >> i mean. truly. >> hurt too. we talked about your professional collaboration with stephanie. you codirected the movie am i okay starring dakota johnson. tell us about that. >> it is a movie that was written by our friend lauren ponerantz who is outrageous such a great writer. and it's a later in life coming out story. dakota plays i think a 32-year- old. it's not like a grandmother is coming out. but she should if she wants to. but, yeah, it's just a story about friendship but also coming out, and basically you should be who you are at any age and do what you want to do, and it's really such a beautiful performance by dakota. i really think and know we just screened it the other night, the audience went nuts for it. it is so funny. it is so touching, and there's some silly parts in it, too. but, yeah, it's, i think it's really good. don't go anywhere. we have a second hour of morning joe 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since convicted of 34 felonies last week. in phoenix, arizona, a state trump is not visited since 2022. the former president focused on more of the past and the future, complaining about the perceived injustices come he says, that have been inflicted on him over the years. >> i just went through a rigged trial in new york. >> nobody's ever seen because dinner was rigged. >> the election was rigged the last time. i will tell you that. >> i did much better than i did in 2016. millions more votes but a lot of bad things happen. he used covid to cheat. >> impeachment hoax number one. everything is a hoax. >> meanwhile everything is a hoax the former president spoke to dr. phil about wanting to take the stand at his trial and how sometimes revenge can be justified. >> i have a lot of lawyers that are friends. i had probably 25 goes over the course of a couple months say whatever you do don't testify because you will say something just a little bit off and you will be indicted for lying or perjury. these are evil people. these are sick, evil people. >> i think you have so much to do, you don't have time to get even. you only have time to get right? >> well revenge it does take time. i will say that. and sometimes revenge can be justified. i have to be honest. sometimes it can? >> revenge does take time. revenge can be justified. susan glasser, this gets at what you're writing about in the new yorker. this idea that donald trump, everything, everything is about him and you show up at a rally and all you hear about are the injustices committed against him in the world and how he's a martyr and a victim and everything else. you never hear him talking about how he will make people's lives better, which is what presidential campaigns used to be about. >> that's right. if you go back and look, this is a significant escalation and radicalization of trump around himself in a way that is quite different from his 2016 or even his 2020 campaigns. the other part of the agenda has diminished and the all about trump part of the agenda has taken over fully. and to the point about contrast with president biden. barry struck that at a moment when biden makes a clear focus on his efforts to combat what's happening in the world, you have trump repeatedly saying in recent days that he essentially doesn't care that much about russia and china. they are not such a big problem pick the biggest problem is the enemy within. this is emerging as a real theme for trump's campaign and he proposes to do something about it. you saw that amazing clip with dr. phil. even sympathetic interviewers these days try to get trump to say it's not about revenge and he won't buy it because it is about revenge. again and again and again trump is telling us very clearly. i guess my question is, are people really listening to what he is saying? is different than what he said before. >> the biden campaign says people will start listening and to this point they have largely tuned out trump. the trial has come and gone and he will be out there with more high profile settings and name with the debate and it can't be stressed enough how much the biden campaign is betting on that debate to change the trajectory of the race believing americans were here trump talk about things like revenge and how it's justified and be repelled by it. my question to you is is the bet right? do we think the biden campaign -- this is been aesthetic race to this point and we've seen a little moment here and there including after the verdict for the most part we can say it's close but trump has had narrow but consistent leads in most of the battleground states. do we think this argument here, this dangerous argument on revenge will change their minds? >> two great things happen as a result of the trial. one was the guilty verdict and this has put trump on a path that this is all he could talk about never hear the words inflation from his mouth. you don't hear the words immigration or crime or any of the talking points he would usually use. he is consumed with this now and even now we are a week or eight days of the trial and this is all he could talk about. this is not what voters want to hear. i don't think any voter will say -- i've yet to see the numbers in the polls. i see things about immigration in the polls and democracy but i don't see revenge as an issue any voter has said is a key issue. the more donald talks about that, the better it is for biden. >> jean robinson, the story -- i don't know. it's a snapshot of our time and where we are right now that bends your mind. i'll read it to you. two officers who defended the capitol on january 6 were booed by pennsylvania republicans this week pick this happened as former capitol police officer harry dunn and former sergeant aquilino gonell, two officers that help to protect the capitol on january 6 and prevent the overturning of the 2020 election visited the pennsylvania state house as part of a cross-country tour to discuss the threat they say donald trump poses to the country. we are told some republican members not only booed them but turned their backs on the officers and even walked out. this comes as they have been on the campaign trail in key battleground states in an effort to get president biden re-elected. this is the upside down world we are living in right now where police officers, think back the blue and support the police and all that stuff, who stood in the doorway defending democracy and turned back a group of people who were led to the capitol by ally committed violence in the capitol, try to overturn our system of democracy, those officers are now being booed by republicans. >> it is unbelievable. one of those officers was injured, a real injury to his foot defending the capitol. the other was showered with racist abuse and, of course, physically threatened and endangered defending the capitol , defending our members of congress. trying to do their duty in the citadel of our democracy and they get booed. look, one of our two major political parties has completely lost its mind and that's largely because of donald trump. and it is not just the senators and the representatives who are out there with incendiary and inflammatory rhetoric, but at the local level it's the rot, the craziness is even deeper and, in a sense, a more worrisome because if you look -- state republican parties, there are fanatical, sort of, unhinged people who are becoming not just a significant faction and those parties but in control of republican parties in our major states. this is a political emergency that we are going to be dealing with, i think, for a while because even if donald trump is defeated this november, all this , sort of, insanity in the republican party across the country doesn't immediately go away. this will be with us. >> this is a small group of republican lawmakers in pennsylvania, sure, but it's representative of something else, is it not? the crime committed by these two police officers, in the eyes of the people blowing them , are that they are crossing donald trump and they are speaking the truth about donald trump and the truth about what they saw with their own eyes on january 6. >> you know, in the last 24 hours if need a contrast i don't think you could find anything more stony than if you follow the news on the one hand biden at normandy giving a speech and seeing the faces of those heroes, 98, 99, 100-year- old man from the greatest generation and you feel that greatness. and then you listen to donald trump doing an interview yesterday and hearing him talk about what's wrong with this country and the hate and the venom and the self obsession and the vengeance and the revenge. and then you hear local republican lawmakers booing january 6 policeman and turning the back to them. one party is about darkness and grievance and negativity and self-loathing. and the other party is and will be throughout this campaign about positivity and i think 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entry. the shutdown will go into effect immediately as department of homeland security officials say encounters have reached 4000 migrants daily. the border will only reopen once the number of false to 1500 migrants pick joining us now is homeland security secretary alejandra mallorca's. thank you for being on the show. obviously this has had a mixed reaction come even from democrats, but explain how this works. what happens as this executive order goes into effect? what happens to the excessive number of migrants trying to make a cross over the border. >> good morning and thank you for having me. the goal here is to reduce the number of people who come to the southern border of the united states and cross illegally. our goal is to drive people who seek and need humanitarian relief into the lawful, safe and orderly pathways that we have built. individuals who arrive at our border and cross illegally will be barred from asylum, with exceptions. however, 1400 people who have made appointments through our cbp one app will be able to seek asylum in the united states through our ports of entry. individuals who have access our parole program for cubans, haitians, nicaraguans and venezuelans will be able to access assignment relief in the united states we have built an unprecedented number of lawful pathways, but we are going to secure our border and reduce the number of people who are encountered at its. >> mr. secretary, good morning. i think the question for a lot of people and not just conservatives, is what took so long to get to this place? we can go well before the legislation, that group of senators work hard to present and then republicans and the congress turned their backs on it on the instruction of donald trump. but going back even further than that, a system that allows people to show up at the border, claim asylum, sometimes legitimately and sometimes not, and move into the country because they know it will take years for the asylum hearing to come up, why did it take so long to get to this place which does seem rational to many people? >> well, two points. first of all, you have ceased accurately upon the fundamental problem with our asylum system that it takes years and years and we need congress to fix it. only congress can provide the enduring solution, which is legislation. but that's -- let's take a look at the chronology. on day one of his administration, the president presented congress with a comprehensive legislation to fix our broken immigration system. since then and up until may of last year, we have been operating under the public health order of title 42. when that order was lifted in may of last year, we drove the numbers down, despite some predictions that pandemonium would ensue. shortly thereafter, the president implored congress to fund this department and other departments that administer our immigration laws as we need to be resourced. he, in august, submitted a supplemental funding package. and then again in october he submits another supplemental funding package. and neither was picked up by congress most regrettably and most importantly . we then went into an arduous, hard-working process to develop bipartisan, senate legislation that would have fundamentally fixed our asylum system. and once and for all properly resourced this department and the department of justice and state. twice congress failed to pass that legislation and so the president took this executive action within his lawful authority. >> mr. secretary, good morning. you outlined the domestic political challenges with what's happening at the border but the united states is not alone in this. is also mexico and they just had a new election. can you tell us the relationship and the guidelines you will use as your approach with the new administration there. are you hopeful they will cooperate? >> we have built a very strong and productive partnership with mexico, with the president, we expect that strong and productive partnership to continue under the presidency of claudia sheinbaum . and this challenge of migration is a regional challenge and it requires regional solutions, not just in partnership with mexico, but in partnership with other countries such as costa rica, panama, colombia, guatemala, ecuador, and the like. we are experiencing not just at the southern border but the rudder hemisphere and around the world an unprecedented level of migration, an unprecedented number of displaced people and regional challenges require regional solutions. >> homeland security secretary alejandra mallorca's, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. we have lots more to get to this hour. morning joe: weekend continues after a short break . oncern me? because you're...the... aren't you the..? huh...we never actually discussed hierarchy. ok, why don't we just stick to letting dave know how much he can save when he bundles his home or auto with his boat or rv. wait, i thought 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over you. her question is, she said you been faced with so much adversity and persecution for years, what is your relationship with god like and how do you pray? that's sharon from alabama. >> i think it's good. i do very well with the evangelicals. i love the evangelicals. and i have more people saying they pray for me. i can't even believe it and they are so committed and so believing. they say, sir, you're going to be okay. i pray for you every night. i mean, everybody. i can't say everybody but almost everybody that sees me, they say, it's such a beautiful thing -- you know what's a beautiful thing too? when you look at all this bad stuff going on, they have nothing to look up to. they have no god. they have no anything. they kill people. bb-8 people. they push people into subways. there's just nothing there. religion is such a great thing. it keeps you -- you know, there's something to be good about. you want to be good. it so important. i don't know if it's explained right or if i'm explaining it right but when you have something like that, you want to be good. you want to go to heaven, okay? you want to go to heaven. if you don't have heaven you almost say, what's the reason? why do we have to be good? let's not be good. what difference does it make? >> really, i don't know what to say. religion is a good thing, it was his reaction. he was asked, what is your relationship with god? he said, i do good with evangelicals. asked about his prayer life, he says, people come to me and say, sir, i pray for you every night. proving an extraordinary ability to sound clueless after all these years on the most basic questions of faith. and what is your relationship with god and talk about your prayer life, are two of the most basic questions. joining us now, nbc news national affairs analyst and partner in chief political columnist at hawk. i know he and his former partner, mark halperin, also asked donald trump questions about faith in 2016. new testament or old testament? and his answer was -- both. what is your favorite bible verse? what your favorite bible verse? oh, i don't want to talk. and david brody at cbn asked him if god has forgiven them and he said, well, i don't pray to god for forgiveness. there is no reason for me to be forgiven. this is a man, of course, who is claiming massive support because he's getting it among self-described evangelicals, john. please explain that to us all. >> thank you for comparing me with one of the great mysteries of life and modern politics. look. you had that took earlier today and i do think the change that took place that you pointed to in the religious right went from essentially the political people kind of guiding the movement and taking it to a new place to where it has become more recently, which is the religious people kind of took over in some sense the conservative movement and they started to channel their desires through political instruments. trump became for a lot of people in the antiabortion movement and more broadly on the values right, trump became a totally instrument to advance their causes and i think it's one of the most cynical things i've seen in politics. think about people talking about true believers and talk about the faithful being single issue voters are blinded by their beliefs and ideologically driven extremists. in a lot of ways they became more instrumental than almost any faction in american politics. they look to trump and said we know he's not a christian. we know he doesn't believe anything he says, but this guy is her ticket to getting done what we want to get done. overturning roe v wade is one thing but across the board he became the tool by which they could achieve things they had long wanted to achieve and had been able to achieve and they turned out to be right about that but they meet a very deep, very cynical deal with the devil and i don't mean to call trump the devil here but it deal they said, you know, the man's not one of us but who cares. he will win and will get it done and will do what we tell him to. >> but they were making that bargain even before donald trump with paul wyrick and jerry falwell and richard saying, what we will do is we're going to actually turn abortion does not only into a key political issue for evangelicals but we will turn it into a religious issue. so you have a southern baptist church coming from pro-choice to pro-life. the southern baptist church, and other mainstream protestant denominations going from being pro-choice, or quite on the issue to pro-life. that's one step. but it moves forward now to where it becomes the most important issue. these political issues become the most important political issues. so if you talk to people of faith, like russell moore, and others, they would tell you pete wayne, they would tell you the so-called deal with the devil was the deal evangelical leaders made some time ago when they decided to replace spiritual goals with secular goals. we are not going to fight the spiritual battles and try to win people. that's not going to be our primary focus for a lot of these evangelical leaders we hear with a national audience. their primary focus is going to be on the secular, whether that's gaining and keeping political power or telling adherents how to become rich, the so-called prosperity gospel , which, again, both of those are completely opposite of what jesus preached about over three years. >> and i will say the only place, to put a fine point on it here -- i don't think the christian right thought that ronald reagan was a spiritual vandal. i think they thought he was one of them. i think they thought george w. bush was genuinely born again. i think they thought that mitt romney took a spiritual life spiritual -- seriously. even though the demands of faith and to some extent go to politics prior to donald trump, donald trump is the most gratuitous, extreme outgrowth of the thing you're talking about where they basically look at a guy and collectively that these are not stupid people in this movement. there are some stupid people everywhere, but there was a calculated thing for the christian right look to trump and knew full well that he was not one of them did not believe the same things they believed. did not go to church. was probably, privately, pro- choice. was someone who would done all kinds of things, someone heard about in this trial over the last seven or eight weeks, all kinds of things they would find morally depraved and unacceptable and simple and he made no real effort to try to even pretend to be one of them when he would answer these questions. and yet they said, we don't care because this is a winning ticket for us. with him under our thumb, we will be able to get that supreme court majority we have so wanted. and as i said before, they got it. >> and we elected a president, not a saint. look the other way on a lot of stuff so they get what they want. people asked me where can i get 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the right verdict. 21% thought it was the wrong verdict. and this is the difference in voting with the threat of prison hanging over donald trump . a very large difference, 12%. large difference, 50%, moderate difference, 23%. and that adds up to over 50%. over 50% of these so-called double haters said it could have an impact on their vote, but overwhelmingly almost all of them believed donald trump got a fair trial. >> yeah. and that was what was so fascinating, especially listening to the conversation. first of all, there was so nuanced and thoughtful about the responses and i want to say this is so far the only swing state poll that's been done since the verdict and it's going to matter a lot because the swing states will decide the election and undecided voters will be a huge factor in the decisions of the election. what struck me was that incredible contrast between this competence in the legal system the jury was fair and the trial was fair and trump was treated fairly said they 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>> well, we definitely felt hope and optimism because that was what jake sullivan was relaying to us and there was the feeling that there is this full-court press of enough is enough. we want to get these people home, all 124. and of course the american eight is something that hangs on everyone in the administration and the entire american government and he felt confident that the right people were going back to the region. we know that brett mcgurk and director bill burns were, shortly after the conversation, already on their way back to the region, which was hopeful for all of us. at the end of the day though, we know that whether you had these extremely seasoned negotiators, diplomats, experts, aides, doing all that they are doing, the final outcome is going to come from two men only deciding and that, i think, is what is so painfully torturous about this. >> jon, today marks eight months since october 7 since hersh was abducted. when you sit in that meeting with jake sullivan and speak as you have been for eight months to officials inside the u.s. government, what did they say today about the best hope to get the hostages? is it a deal? is it a rescue mission? what sounds most promising to you and to the people trying to pull this off? >> yeah. the good news is the focus in that is everybody believes the best possible way to do this is through a deal. the bad news is we been hearing that for most of the last eight months, and as you know, we are not there yet. i think what president biden did last friday night was brave and courageous and we applaud him. he took a negotiation that was stuck in neutral, maybe even sometimes in rivers and in one fell swoop it's like you pushed into third gear. now we need to keep the momentum going. and as rachel said, there are all the right people in the region. we need to push on the leaders of israel and the leaders of hamas, and have them buy in to what the mediators are pushing. it's a deal that has to get done because the israeli people are suffering. our hostages are suffering. innocent gazan civilians are suffering and eight months is eight months too many picks payment rachel, you've been through many of these meetings now with american officials and you've been through a lot of ups and downs , how are you and jon managing to temper your own emotions and exhaustion, your sleep, your food when faced now with another prospect that may be there is reason to be a little bit more optimistic given this latest push? 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i gather you know each other? >> just a little bit. >> i'm trying not to cry right now, honestly, because i've known you so long. and i'm so proud to know you and brian. and what you've done is remarkable. i mean, you've really brought this to life for people who weren't tracking with this disease was, he did not know they had a voice or power to have a voice. and before i get more emotional, you both had done so much before brian was diagnosed as public servants contributing to electing barack obama, but this is your greatest legacy, which is remarkable. you just want to ask for people watching out there who think maybe they have als or another disease or maybe they feel their voice isn't heard and they can't make a difference, what would you tell them about what they should do? so many people feel powerless and you have shown that you are empowered and you can be powerful. >> absolutely. and with these neurodegenerative diseases, whether it's als or parkinson's or ms, these diseases affect the way you speak or move so these are difficult diseases to live a public life with. oftentimes, that you have an illness. so people, they turn inward. that is the instinct. that is what brian and i are b trying to encourage people to fight against because when they do come forward, their voices are so powerful and having been in government and advocacy for so long prior to our diagnosis, i mean, our whole job for so e many years was to elevate people who were affected by policy. when that happened to us, we knew that even if we were just one voice, even if you are just one voice, being public, if you have one of these illnesses, ve can have such an impact.

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