example of, you know, nobody has been treated worse. i have been treated badly by donald. i'm a complicated guy because i support his presidency. but me personally, i have personal issues with him. and michaeln'tn know up until around a couple weeks before then president-elect trump swore in that he wasn't going into the white house. he walked around with a chip on his shoulder that he thought this was steve bannon and reince priebus. they're in a transition, didn't have the power to getll their people in. it was jared. jared told his -- once michael rightly advised then president-elect trump would be problematic to bring jared in as an adviser, jared got wind of this. jared ultimately not only had michael leave -- not only had michael n the white house, but he was kicked out of his office he loved from trump, down the hall from president-elect trump. >> why does he maintain his loyalty, if he didn't get the
every move you make, to quote sting, is -- everybody will be watching you. it's -- everything so focus group now. we slice and dice every nothing segments, walmart moms or office park dads or whatever and you have to get them here and you have to get them there. if you get caught up in that, i think, there is a danger of losing sight of a larger pitcher and losing yourself. and i think that's what people will be watching for tonight, they don't want a pitch at office park dads. they want -- they want the candidates to speak to the country. >> but i'm curious, michael, how many people do you think are watching, not asking for an exact number, i don't think you walk around counting folks, your idea on thoughts, how many you believe, what percentage are actually watching this debate tonight to have their minds changed or to pick a candidate or are folks watching to have an
amen moment from the person they have already voted for perhaps in early voting or they plan to vote for? >> i think darn few are looking who are not already decided. when you look at the internals of, for example, that most recent nbc news/"wall street journal" survey, support runs deep, people are very passionate. so, to gene's point, governor romney tonight needs to go into the living rooms of the buckeye state. he needs to reach people in ohio, in particular who, tamron, are up for grabs because if he can't turn things around in that state, it's not going to happen. >> but to michael's point, chuck todd was discussing this morning, there is a conversation of whether or not mitt romney will pull out of ohio. he is significantly behind and perhaps put resources in other states such as wisconsin. so, if michael's theory correct that he needs to focus on the folks in the buckeye state and win them over, he is down nine or ten points depending on the poll there again this is not his first time running for president and this is not his first time
reside who is the winner or loser, unless there is a huge moment in the latter part of that debate, chip. >> right, and then what we will do is watch it for 30 minutes, get bored, do something else, finish our nachos, talk about what is doing tomorrow and might get our cliff's notes online. >> eugene, since you are on the ground there, what is the gut feeling, the atmosphere as we do the tick tock to the big debate? >> waiting too see what will happen. could go either way, could be a polite debate there could be a lot of friction. we are not sure which direction it will go. you know, doesn't get any better than this in terms of presidential politics. this is the big time. >> thank you, ab, chip as well, michael, we will see you tomorrow as well. thank you, guys. and there's no shortage, of course, as you heard of opinions of what should be discussed, what should be asked at the debate tonight. coming up, the questions the candidates themselves would hate to hear. we have a list of questions that could cause the big game-change
the deviation of the script didn't change the overall purpose of the speech. one thing they don't draw your attention to, how often he praised, he, meaning president obama, praised jesus christ. this was very much a speech about his faith. of course, if you say that, it runs contrary to the other narrative that they put out about t. >> ab, let me get you in on this i think michael hit on something, people now looking at intonation and words that could have other meetings and that brings me to the joe biden video his comments made yesterday. he had to clarify what he meant regarding middle class people being buried the last four years. let me play what he said in his clarification and what stephanie cutter said on "morning joe." >> the middle class was buried by the policies that romney and ryan supported. as bill clinton said you all they are suggesting now when he is asked about this, and he's a the best, he made the comment, he said, what they are proposing is bush economic policies on
define the whole debate, because it is going to be about the economy tonight. >> these tapes do matter, at least one tape will matter, and that being the one at the private fund-raiser? >> tamron, what i'm talking about everybody is throwing out the videos, a gotcha moment. i think the voters that matter, the undecided, are not concerned about the videos but the direction of the country. i think at 9:00 tonight, the first time, we are going to see both of these folks on stage giving their personal views on what they want to do with this country. i think that's going to be the moment that matters. >> let me get michael n you talked to people all day around the country. some of those people, conservatives, many i imagine are independents as well. i'm curious, off situation here, i know chip said some people on the other side. but you have the drudge report, the daily caller, some of the biggest voices in conservative television and radio last night were saying this was the tape that would up-end this campaign. they, at least, thought this 2007 video of senator obama at
you go for a deal where it is a 10 for 1 tax cuts an increases and every hand went in the air. in other words, the intransigence of one side of the aisle speaks volumes, and that is where we are. >> and yeah, the critics are saying that it is taxed on the company side and then it is taxed on the personal side, and it is basically double-taxation, but on the flipside, michael n the end, he could be paying more, because he is earning more, so might that still be okay? >> well, you are right, and there is a website where actually through the treasury department where if someone voluntarily wanted to write a check and do more than their part to reduce the federal debt, they are able to do so, so i have heard from those folks as well. it is speaking, i think to the way in which people are so black and white on this issue. they were almost predetermined to either support buffett or be against buffett without regard for the argument, the merit of what he was actually saying. >> and speaking of the back and forth, senator john cornyn did fire back and he tweeted this and i want to read this for the