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January 7, 2019
>> whats the deal with that? did you hear the garage door? >> i dont think so. >> why do you think that now? what has jogged your memory? >> because i think over the years, i thought about this night so many times. i had seen that car back out of the driveway many, many times when she was leaving. i think i thought repeatedly in my mind thats what i thought -- i saw the car. i can see it right now. >> he never thought for a moment, he said, it would be the last time hed see his wife. >> i though...
January 7, 2019
School or to meat markets like the local red onion was back then. >> i know she was going to the red onion. i never went with her, so i dont know what she was like. >> and then that night in march, kids off to bed. their son, mike jr., was just a boy, 10 years old. >> i was in bed. i had just got a new stereo for my 10th birthday and was listening to the headphones. ♪ >> from his bed, he could see something happening out in the hallway. >> i remember them getting into an argument which was unu...
January 7, 2019
>> because he never talked about my mother. >> at all? >> never. >> but mike never confronted his father. >> i just knew in the back of my mind that this could be a possibility, and i really honestly at that time, i never wanted my father to go to jail. i just wanted to know. it was so important to me the truth behind that evening. >> to get the truth and avoid a trial, prosecutor john lewen was willing to make a deal. >> we had offered him voluntary manslaughter if he gave us carols body. >> an...
January 7, 2019
>> has it been hard for you to accept the possibility that she may be dead? >> well, yes. >> is it made even more difficult by the fact that you cared deeply for the defendant? >> yes. >> and younger sister, terri, even though she had suspected mike for years -- >> do you still think of mike lubahn sr. as a part of your family? >> yes. >> but most anguished of all -- mike and carols son, mike jr. >> is there anything about the way that you remember your mom that would make you think or made you ...
January 7, 2019
Feelings. so on the stand publicly, i had to basically say, yeah, im thinking maybe theres some weird things about your story. and it was the first time that my father really would have known i felt that way. so i was really, really stressed out about that. >> how hard is it for you to be here today? >> very. >> do you want to believe that your dad is responsible for your mothers disappearance? >> do i want to believe it? >> yes. >> no. >> lets assume that your dad, in fact, did kill your mom, w...
January 7, 2019
Mike stepped up and married her after the baby was born. >> he was a really good father. he seemed to really enjoy his kids. >> enjoyed carols family, too, especially her dad, milt. milt brought young mike into the family housepainting business. >> just took to him immediately. he was always a very likeable person. >> friendly, loyal, but not exactly ambitious. he didnt seem to mind at all settling down to a modest existence, them and the two kids all cramped up in a two-bedroom, one-bath house ...
January 7, 2019
And nobody wanted to see him be arrested or him be the reason or -- or any of that. its like another nightmare on top of the first nightmare. >> this was a case where i think the family would have been more than happy to believe that carol is still out there somewhere. shes not dead. and their beloved son-in-law is not a killer. >> but of all mike sr.s family members, perhaps no one was as torn as his namesake first-born son, mike jr., who loved his father unreservedly. followed him into the fam...
January 7, 2019
Supported. memories can be lost. but memories dont increase in details over the years, and they dont increase in different details. thats a sign of what we call a lie. i had version of what happened from the start made no sense to any of us. >> and why would mike lie? to the cold-case team it seemed obvious -- >> he killed her that night. she stopped living that night. and everything else thats going its all because you know its a lie. if you know its a lie it all lines up. >> remarkably mike lu...
September 29, 2018
School or to meat markets like the local red onion was back then. >> i know she was going to the red onion. i t never went with her, so i dont know what she was like. >> and then that night in march, kids off to bed. their son, mike jr., was just a boy, 10 years old. >> i was in bed. i had just got a new stereo for myju 10th birthday and was listening to the headphones. ♪ >> from his bed, he could see something happening out in the hallway. >> i remember them getting into an argument which was...
September 29, 2018
Supported. memories can be lost. but memories dont increase in details over the years, and they dont increase in different details. thats a sign of what we call a lie. i had version of what happened from the start made no sense to any of us. >> this is what makes the case -- >> and why would mike lie? to the cold-case team it seemed obvious -- >> he killed her that night. she stopped living that night. and everything else thats going -- it doesnt make sense. its all because you know its a lie. i...